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  Happy Holidays from the Libertarian Party...  
 From: bbeljefe     12/22/2009 06:08 PM     
  Very well put  
I agree with Wes Benedict on this one.

And Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Krazy Kwanzaa, Joyous Voodoo Day and Upbeat Darwin Day to all my fellow SNers, even the ones who think I hate you! : )
  by: Ben_Reilly     12/22/2009 07:45 PM     
  I Like It  
A very nice piece there.

I really don´t care what anyone wants to call it. Be it Yule, Hanukkah, Kwanza, Christmas, nothing, Grinch day or Happy Nekkid Dances in the moonlight I wish the best to all of SN readers and reporters if they like me or hate me.
  by: TaraB     12/22/2009 07:52 PM     
  Happy Holidays back  
I enjoyed that site. I may not agree with all the politics, but their views on religion are spot on.
And ... I´ve been saying "Happy Holidays" for 60 years. It´s nothing new.
It´s easier than mentioning Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years separately.
  by: Lurker     12/22/2009 07:58 PM     
hope everyone here has a great holiday season.

When did the Lib party hijack the Laker´s logo?
  by: Jenkie     12/22/2009 11:09 PM     
  A Happy Holiday to You All  
  by: ichi     12/22/2009 11:54 PM     
Not being a sports fan, I had to research your query. I must say, you lead me to wonder whether or not you should have your vision checked... ;)

LP Logo: The Lady Liberty in front of a circle of stars...

Lakers Logo: Their name, in front of a basketball...

In fairness though, both logos have a round shape behind words and imagery. :)

  by: bbeljefe     12/23/2009 03:56 AM vision is fine  
Aside from the "words in front of a circle" they use similar color schemes and typeset. I´ve spent some time in the visual communications industry, and any art director worth their salt would take one look at that and say "Yeah. Let´s go with something a ´lil less blatant."

But that´s ok, not like you designed the logo...I hope...

And "big L" Libertarians don´t put much stock in IP theory anyways, lol.
  by: Jenkie     12/23/2009 05:20 AM     
LP: Blue and gold with italicized all cap font.

Lakers: Purple and gold with italicized font.

Perhaps there are some similarities but even the gold hues differ. Certainly one could say that Obama´s logo is more similar to Pepsi´s than the Libertarian Party´s is to the Lakers´. But hey... we´re splitting hairs at this point.

Also... I´m not sure what you mean by IP, but so long as it doesn´t stand for "Interfering with People" or "Intervening over People", you have a pretty safe bet that Libertarians support it. If however, you mean "Ignorant People", Libertarians don´t support that. We´ll tolerate the latter but at the same time we´ll offer to help change it.

  by: bbeljefe     12/23/2009 06:16 AM     
I was always under the impression that the Pepsi logo was changed to one that looked more like the Obama logo ...
  by: Ben_Reilly     12/23/2009 07:03 AM     
  to elaborate  
sorry, IP = Intellectual Property, IE copyrights and patents, trade secrets, etc, basically the ownership of ideas, information and thoughts.
  by: Jenkie     12/23/2009 07:43 AM     
No doubt you´re right, Ben, although Pepsi didn´t really have to alter their logo much in order to make it look more like Obama´s and I didn´t cite that example because I think Obama thought he could use soda pop to brand his political identity.

And Jenkie... you bring up a good point. Intellectual property rights are probably the most argued of rights among libertarians at large. Some believe that one should own exclusive right to what he creates, while others believe that protecting intellectual property is inherently wrong because it requires the intervention of government in the free market which creates a monopoly style protection for the owner.

I see both points and because of that, I support the idea that intellectual property rights should be protected but not to such a degree as to exclusive, infinite protection. The issue is very complicated in its simplest form and must be examined on a case by case basis. Take for example, the logos we´re discussing. You claim (at least by implication) that the Libertarian Party somehow stole the logo of the LA Lakers. Perhaps you and your colleagues see it as theft of intellectual property but I would hazard to guess that a first year law student majoring in IP, as you call it, could easily argue against that point. Further, the same students would most certainly be more interested in arguing a case against Pepsi for altering its logo for the purpose of capitalizing on Obama´s success or vice versa.

But, I really didn´t intent that this thread would decompose into a debate over the tenets of Libertarian ideology so I´ll stop there.

My intent was to wish happy holidays to my friends here on shortnews... from a decidedly Libertarian perspective. ;)

Happy holidays!

  by: bbeljefe     12/23/2009 09:52 AM     
  Re to bb  
And season´s greetings to you, and indeed to all. I hope everyone is happy and healthy as we approach a new year and reflect on traditions of the past.

"My colleagues" and I are in fact only myself, as I value individualism as the highest expression of liberty. I do recognize that in a world full of individuals, cooperation is imperative to being able to freely express that individuality. As far as intellectual property, I certainly did not mean to condemn or attack the libertarian party, and believe that information and ideas cannot be controlled, and must be free once introduced outside it´s conception - namely you own your idea as long as you can protect its essence.

Lol, and I guess we can allow this thread to die a quiet death, rather than following where it may lead and accidentally enlightening each other.
  by: Jenkie     12/23/2009 10:06 AM     
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