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  Penn Gillette on Glenn Beck  
  
Came across this when wasting time on YouTube, thought it was an interesting video. Could be seen as defending Beck (despite not sharing any of his views). I disagree with a few of Penn´s views, but I love the man as a person.
 
 From: Kolman   03/11/2010 05:35 AM     
   
  
I guess the link would help:
http://www.youtube.com/...
 
  by: Kolman   03/11/2010 05:35 AM     
  Gillette is a Libertarian...  
  
that´s why you find yourself agreeing with him some of the time, not agreeing with him others and just generally having to respect his opinion.

Because his opinion makes the most sense for liberty.

BB
 
  by: bbeljefe     03/11/2010 06:08 AM     
  try this baby  
    
  by: Hugo Chavez     03/11/2010 12:07 PM     
  @kolman  
  
content was blocked (at least in canada)

"This video contains content from Sony Pictures, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."
 
  by: HAVOC666     03/11/2010 02:02 PM     
  @Hugo Chavez  
  
Glenn Beck is the biggest dirt bag alive today, and I think this puts it perfectly.

-np-
 
  by: NicPre     03/11/2010 05:39 PM     
   
  
Also apparently I always spell his last name wrong, it´s Jillette, lol.

@BB
I realize he´s a libertarian (he´s a fellow at the CATO Institute), I also have seen every episode of Penn & Teller Bullsh!t an almost psychotic number of times.

@Havoc
In the video Penn talks about that, while disagreeing with nearly everything Glenn Beck has ever said, he is pleased that people like him exist, that are able to just out and out bash the Government, much in a similar way that he was pleased with the existence Socialist commentators when he was younger. While disagreeing with their statement, he appreciates the fact that opposition to the Government exists, even if it is at best psychotic.

Though it´s weird that Sony blocks content for you guys. Can´t really think of a reason for that...

 
  by: Kolman   03/11/2010 07:33 PM     
  @Kolman  
  
Sounds like Penn needs to do a B.S. check on himself. What Beck is doing is in no way, shape, form or fashion opposition to the government, not in any honest sense.

If he was just a psycho who hated the government, he would have had a problem with President Bush, too.
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     03/11/2010 10:15 PM     
  @Ben  
  
Respecting a person´s freedom of speech doesn´t require a litmus test to see if their speech contains truth. :)

BB
 
  by: bbeljefe     03/12/2010 04:08 AM     
  .  
  
thats what i got out of BB, the way i understood it is that even though he does not agree with him or many others its great that different point of views are not censored like they might be in other country´s.
 
  by: snowman47   03/12/2010 04:15 AM     
  @BB  
  
Sorry, I´m sort of old school in that I believe you actually need to take some responsibility for what you put out there when you´re a TV host, radio pundit or writer. A lot of people don´t realize how seriously some people take things that are broadcast or printed. They figure that if someone actually put it in the media, there must be something to it. But Beck isn´t serious in any fashion. Now he says America has the greatest health care system in the world, when a few years ago he kept whining about how bad it was for him when he had his butt surgery.

But I don´t blame him so much as I blame his employer. I don´t know that Beck knows better, but if Fox management doesn´t know better, they have no business running a news network.
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     03/12/2010 07:51 AM     
  ?  
  
Of course Glenn Beck can say what he wants, big deal, why is this so amazing? Because Penn said it?

I´ve always liked him but I´m losing my respect for his show. Didn´t take long to find someone else who shares this view. http://www.psychologytoday.com/... http://www.psychologytoday.com/...
 
  by: caution2     03/12/2010 10:31 PM     
  @Hugo  
  
That was great. Being annoyed by things that ask for my name I always put something snide, and thinking this was one of those instances I used Yo Momma. It made the video all the more enjoyable. Nice link, passed it on ;)
 
  by: tuogh     03/12/2010 10:59 PM     
  ben  
  
you say that people need to be responsible for what they put in print etc.. Yet you had problem posting an article that was skewed and biased, just because you didnt agree with the person that its about. if you feel so strong about these beliefs of yours why didnt you delete the article. a lot of people took the article at face value.

I choose not to listen to Beck as I choose not to listen to Olberman and TV priests. I don´t agree with them one bit but it doesn´t mean that they should be censored.
 
  by: snowman47   03/12/2010 11:31 PM     
  .  
  
should be

"...yet you had no problem..."
 
  by: snowman47   03/12/2010 11:32 PM     
  @snowman  
  
Didn´t you know you can´t delete your own articles?

Yeah, that source article left out a few minor details that made what Palin did seem a bit less hypocritical, but all I did was summarize it. Web reporters aren´t required to fact-check their source articles before they submit them to SN.
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     03/13/2010 12:27 AM     
  Well Ben...  
  
I thought your comment was about what Jillette said, since he is the subject of this thread.

But in any event, Fox News has said most of their broadcasts are opinion based. Not that that really matters when one considers that we should all think about what we hear on television, radio or read in newspaper or on the net.

Responsibility doesn´t lie solely on the backs of those who give us information. Us plain old folks are obliged to use responsibility as well.

In short, you place too much responsibility on business while placing near to no responsibility on the individual. So again, Jillete is saying that he respects Beck´s first amendment rights, regardless of the nonsensical rhetoric Beck puts out there.

You can be as old school as you´d like to think you are but all you´re really doing is advocating the control of speech, which is clearly an anti first amendment stance.

BB
 
  by: bbeljefe     03/13/2010 03:19 AM     
  @BB  
  
Nah, I´m not calling for control of speech. I´m calling for people who have their own TV shows, and audiences ranging in the millions, to take responsibility for what they´re selling in the marketplace of ideas.

You make a good point in that far too many people believe what people like Glenn Beck say without question, and we all *should* think critically about what we hear, see and read. But not everyone does.

Because of this, most people with a large voice in the public arena weigh their words far more carefully than you and I might. Freedom of speech famously doesn´t allow you to yell "fire!" in a crowded theater, but you could argue that Beck has gotten awfully close to doing just that in his own way.

Of course, when you come at it from the entrepreneur´s perspective, Fox wants to get high ratings and to be able to make the excuse that, as you point out, their shows are based on opinion. But they make this disclaimer in the finest of fine print. It´s lost on their audience, who thinks any criticism of Fox is fueled by liberal hatred of conservatism.

What Fox looks like to the vast majority of its viewers is a regular old mainstream news network that is predicting death panels, imprisonment in FEMA camps, abolition of the right to bear arms, etc. Their conduct is extremely irresponsible and violates that profound libertarian principle that freedom never comes without responsibility.
 
  by: Ben_Reilly     03/13/2010 09:36 AM     
  news, opinion... pfft, same diff.  
  
"The Fox opinion guy´s outrage becomes the ´some say´ source for the news side. It´s a perpetual revulsion machine." http://www.shortnews.com/...
 
  by: caution2     03/13/2010 11:31 AM     
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