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  I won´t let you forget: Syria and Libya  
  
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...

Why are we not attacking Syria? What has Gaddafi done to top that?

Shortnews: I won´t let you forget about these wars, and Yemen. We´ve all but forgotten about Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
 From: nimira     06/01/2011 08:25 AM     
  @Nimira  
  
Syria had always been under the protection of Rusisa->Iran.
 
  by: kmazzawi     06/01/2011 05:52 PM     
  @kmazzawi  
  
Yes, yes, I know! I am just making sure you guys don´t forget that our governments (yeah Europe, your included you better-than-US) are two faced. They start wars in the name of human rights but let worse violence run blatantly without a care because it doesn´t concern them.

Understand, I don´t want war to start with Syria but I never wanted war to start in Libya or any other country ever.
 
  by: nimira     06/02/2011 12:02 AM     
  Don´t worry  
  
It was revealed a long time ago by General Clark that Syria was on the list to be attacked and overthrown; next to Iraq, Libya, and Iran (among others).

It was also leaked that the US State Department was funding opposition groups to start protests in Syria (the ones we are seeing now). What you don´t hear about are the protests in Syria to get the US out of Syrian affairs.


As you can see by the link you gave; They´re already starting the anti-Syria Propaganda.

 
  by: Questioning_Answers     06/02/2011 01:54 AM     
  Or Yemen:  
  
http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

Hilary Clinton: "Naughty Saleh!"

Can anyone explain to me the point of killing others?
 
  by: nimira     06/02/2011 06:41 AM     
  Yeah  
  

US involvement in Yemen edging toward ´clandestine war´
http://www.csmonitor.com/...

America´s next war is with Yemen?
http://www.youtube.com/...



IMO you only need to kill others when you admit you do not have intelligence enough to talk and reason with them.

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."
- Albert Einstein


We are a country run by comparative morons who are unable to think their way through problems. Diplomacy seriously isn´t all that hard people. Imagine if we settled all our disputes here by killing each other. Fortunately we are all much too smart for that. "The man who strikes first admits that his ideas have given out." - Chinese Proverb ....so does the man who strikes in return.

[ edited by Questioning_Answers ]
 
  by: Questioning_Answers     06/02/2011 07:14 AM     
  @ nimira  
  
"They start wars in the name of human rights but let worse violence run blatantly without a care because it doesn´t concern them."

+1 for that
 
  by: MouseJunkie     06/02/2011 11:13 AM     
  No end to war in Libya  
    
  by: nimira     06/03/2011 06:32 AM     
  Yemen  
  
Yemen has killed/burned/buried in mass graveyards over 250 people

http://eagainst.com/...

But its cool Obama, keep being that sly cat you is!
 
  by: nimira     06/06/2011 11:20 AM     
  I...  
  
never forget either of these countries mentioned. Palestine was the first country I became aware of, where the human rights of the people have never a consideration; well, not since I arrived to this planet.
 
  by: captainJane     06/06/2011 02:02 PM     
  @cj  
  
Yeah, that whole mess... I just don´t even know how to comment on Palestine. They´re in my prayers but that´s the best I can offer. Recently, Syria and Israel clashed on the border killing 20 people. I don´t understand it. And, I will never be able to help anyone in those situations.

The sad thing is, Libya and Syria are barely making any news at all today. Just like Palestine (cept when Israel doesn´t play nice according to the human rights activists that forget about Libya, Syria and Yemen), and now Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
  by: nimira     06/07/2011 07:47 AM     
  NATO raises the stakes against Gaddafi  
  
http://www.ft.com/...

"The escalating Nato action – which critics say has gone beyond the military alliance’s UN mandate to protect civilians – comes amid other signs of a weakening in Col Gaddafi’s resistance to an almost three-month rebel uprising against his 41-year rule."

Critics? of NATO? Ha! Dream on! They are perfect in every manner, so therefore it is incorrect to claim that anyone could ever criticize that peace bringing organization.

 
  by: nimira     06/08/2011 06:19 AM     
  US is leading attacks in Yemen  
  
Secret ones at that! http://www.nytimes.com/...
 
  by: nimira     06/09/2011 07:25 AM     
  Jon Stewart  
  
His opening comments were along the lines of how I think.

"Gentlemen, ladies, these are incredible times, espcially in the middle east, in that part of the world there is oppression, instability and unspeakable violence and yet the dream of freedom lives on.

Its the type of story that you, our viewers, deserve... nay, need ....to hear more about. Unfortunately, ´Cockshot 2011´.... has not run its course"

http://www.thedailyshow.com/...

In case you don´t get Cockshot 2011, it is of Anthony Weiner.

Of course this episode and all other episodes from Jon Stewart are just awesome!
 
  by: nimira     06/09/2011 07:45 AM     
  Gadhafi is now a target  
  
http://edition.cnn.com/...

Well ´now´ as in legal-to-kill-that-bastard now

And BTW, how the hell do you spell Gadhafi´s name?

Link in this submission (CNN): Gadhafi
Next link (TIME): Gaddafi
http://www.time.com/...
 
  by: nimira     06/10/2011 08:37 AM     
  Sigh  
    
  by: nimira     06/13/2011 08:29 AM     
  More  
  
Boehner yells at Obama about getting Congress´s approval on the war in Libya:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/...

He apparently forgot that we´re attacking Yemen, but thats ok!
 
  by: nimira     06/15/2011 07:51 AM     
  @ nimira  
  
I am sorry I have meant to get back to you on this and I will soon. Been away and about to drop but just thought I would come back and let you know I have not forgotten you! ;)
 
  by: captainJane     06/16/2011 01:50 AM     
  Libya rebels with DIY weapons  
  
Fun stuff: http://www.theatlantic.com/...

Seriously though, you should look at them, it is truly amazing
 
  by: nimira     06/16/2011 07:03 AM     
  Libya and Syria and Iran  
  
Obama fights for his rights to attack Libya:

http://www.nytimes.com/...

Lawmakers are suing to stop ´our´ efforts in Libya:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/...

http://www.politico.com/...

http://kucinich.house.gov/...

Syria:

A whole page dedicated to Syria:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

Funny thing is, UN is calling for a cease fire (actually, they´re not brave enough for even that!) against civilians. So far reports state 1,100 people have died in this conflict. I am reading a book about Blackwater where it has been reported Blackwater has mercilessly killed hundreds of Iraqis without any sort of threat. But its cool, let Blackwater do what they want cuz they protects you bitches, but bitch and whine about Syria (and do nothing).


Syrians vow to end Assad´s violent crackddown:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

Another funny thing: in this article produced by the same newsgroup as the above article, it goes from 1,100 deaths to more than 1,400 deaths. No wonder the UN is questioning it!

Iran calls for alliance against western powers:

Calls for Russia and China to join...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/...
 
  by: nimira     06/16/2011 08:43 AM     
  Iran and Libya  
  
Libya: Democrat Dennis Kucinich credits Bush for asking to continue war in Iraq/Afghanistan.

"Kucinich said U.S. drone attacks in foreign lands are akin to war. Citing the attack on Pearl Harbor, Kucinich said that if a bomb dropped on the U.S., it would be labeled a war. He added the U.S. needs to significantly change its foreign policy, saying, "We can´t be global cop.""

http://thehill.com/...

Boehner (the guy I never liked... HA!) warns Obama that the House could vote to withdrawl funding for the war in Libya. If it was anyone else, I would be like "yeah right" but this is Boehner...

Yet sadly:

"Actually forcing the president’s hand could be difficult, however, because any House-passed funding restriction would have to pass the Democratic-controlled Senate and be signed by Obama himself. And any Libya-related amendment would likely be attached to an appropriations bill that may not move through the Senate for months."

Kind of reminds me of Bush. Don´t know why!

It is also a great read for you guys.

http://thehill.com/...

Robert gates bitches about how poorly NATO is doing:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/... Syria: China and Russia: "Outside forces should not interfere in internal processes in the countries of the region." http://www.breitbart.com/...

[ edited by nimira ]
 
  by: nimira     06/17/2011 07:53 AM     
  I don´t need to...  
  
stick my oar in. You have this well covered! ;)
 
  by: captainJane     06/18/2011 01:32 AM     
  @nimira  
  
The straight dope has a cool page about spelling Gaddafi´s name :)
 
  by: H. W. Hutchins   06/18/2011 01:55 AM     
  Libya and Syria  
  
Libya:

Gaddafi seems to think that NATO will loose. He comments on how this is probably the first real army that NATO has faced.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/...

The war in Libya is going to cost us $1.1b by the end of the year, with no end to our ´supportive role´ in sight (because of Obama).

http://hosted.ap.org/...

But Master Reid sayz otherwise:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/...



Syria: Syria overtakes another town, kills 16 while firing into crowds

http://news.yahoo.com/...

Oooooooh scary: (From above source)

On Friday, a French official said the European Union was preparing new, expanded sanctions that would target "economic entities" in Syria.

France, Britain, Germany and Portugal are also sponsoring a draft resolution at the U.N. Security Council to condemn Syria. They say they have the votes needed to pass it but want more support.

*sigh* pussies!

 
  by: nimira     06/18/2011 01:59 AM     
  @H. W.  
  
Next time link cuz I too busy :P jk

http://www.straightdope.com/...

If you guys care, it really is interesting!
 
  by: nimira     06/18/2011 04:20 PM     
  Bravo Nimira.  
  
The fact that we´re killing more and more people everyday deserves to be on the forefront.

It´s more important than economics, Hollywood, sports and and partisan rhetoric combined, and I commend you.

Don´t let anyone forget.
 
  by: jenkie     06/18/2011 05:42 PM     
  Right. @Jenkie :)  
  
As for the spelling I believe the first letter for Gaddafi is actually beginning with a Q in Libya. :/ But you all know how great I am at spelling, so it may even be the last letter. :/
 
  by: captainJane     06/18/2011 05:56 PM     
  @CJ, Jenkie and H.W.  
  
Thanks guys, I was really getting discouraged because it seems like no one cares. I see all these other forums being filled up, but no one ever posts in mine /cry

But I persevere... I try to update everyday but rarely am I on during the weekend.

Thanks guys, at least some people haven´t forgotten :)

[ edited by nimira ]
 
  by: nimira     06/18/2011 08:39 PM     
  Obama and Libya  
  
http://www.salon.com/...

Everything I ain´t saying myself is from the source (for copyright stuff)

So Obama rejects top administration lawyers (his lawyers) views on Libya

Lets see who those people are: "top administration lawyers -- Attorney General Eric Holder, OLC Chief Caroline Krass, and DoD General Counsel Jeh Johnson"

Here is a great excerpt: "-- all told Obama that his latest, widely panned excuse for waging war without Congressional approval (that it does not rise to the level of "hostilities" under the War Powers Resolution (WPR)) was invalid and that such authorization was legally required after 60 days: itself a generous intepretation of the President´s war powers. But Obama rejected those views and (with the support of administration lawyers in lesser positions: his White House counsel and long-time political operative Robert Bauer and State Department "legal adviser" Harold Koh) publicly claimed that the WPR does not apply to Libya."


Also, BTW... they are attempting to sue the president. You know, its a grey area. But I almost don´t want this lawsuit or whatever it is to come about because it WILL end in Obama´s favor and that may set future laws into his (any president) favor. You know what I mean? Like if they saved this for another better time, then yeah... go ahead. But this one might screw us in the end?

Just my thoughts, still pondering it. But I still find it really funny that his top officials ARE WRONG!
 
  by: nimira     06/18/2011 08:46 PM     
  hmm  
  

If they don´t sue him, then he is going to set a precedent where any president can make war at will without congress.

If they somehow lose it is just as bad a precedent, so they might as well sue IMO.


@jenkie

Remember economics can be a driver behind war. IMO the wars will probably get worse as the world economy falls apart.

[ edited by Questioning_Answers ]
 
  by: Questioning_Answers     06/19/2011 05:49 AM     
  @QA  
  
They are suing. I´ll give you one guess who is leading that.
 
  by: vhan     06/19/2011 06:06 AM     
  Yeah  
  
I know they are. I should have said that I was responding to nimira. Isn´t it Kucinich and Paul? I was going to write a news story about them suing a few days ago too.

This news story looks like it´s onlyg going to get bigger though. I bet there will be a lot more about it sunday and monday.

I also read that 2 of Obama´s own lawyers said Obama was in the wrong too, so he just ignored them and asked the different lawyers (lol).





[ edited by Questioning_Answers ]
 
  by: Questioning_Answers     06/19/2011 09:51 AM     
  Re to QA  
  
I am familiar with the compulsions of industry sectors towards war. That aside, my moral imperative to end state sanctioned mass-murder is more heavily weighted than the considerable evils of mere state-sanctioned petty theft.

I´ve said it before, and cannot take any other stand - could I end only the warfare state or the welfare state tomorrow, it would be warfare hands down.
 
  by: jenkie     06/19/2011 01:07 PM     
  @QA  
  
How could they not loose? For one thing, the president will do what he wants, and for another, he is Obama. Hell, the people who bitched about Bush going into both Afghanistan and Iraq WITH Congress approval, they haven´t said one thing about Obama bombing Libya, or even Yemen without Congress approval.

Good ol Boehner was in support of Libya (in fact he made some legislation that attempts to thwart those trying to end our campaign), now he is turning his back on it. Why?

So either way, we´re screwed, and I think that is juts what they are looking for.
 
  by: nimira     06/19/2011 03:05 PM     
  To further Obama´s immunity  
  
The NOW group is mute on Obama calling Debbie Shultz "cute"

"Obama will likely get a pass for saying what might otherwise offend a radical feminist, said Alyssa Cardova, lecture director for the Claire Boothe Luce Public Policy Institute."

http://www.cnsnews.com/...
 
  by: nimira     06/19/2011 03:53 PM     
  NATO accidently hit Libya rebels  
  
http://www.nytimes.com/...

"It was the first time in three months of airstrikes that the Qaddafi government has presented credible evidence of what appeared to be direct civilian casualties of NATO attacks. Although the government has often claimed large numbers of civilian deaths, it has never previously presented bodies or consistent facts about the dead. "

I can just imagine the glee on Gadaffi´s face!
 
  by: nimira     06/20/2011 07:30 AM     
  More on NATO  
  
http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

"Ten years ago US defence investment represented almost half of all defence expenditure in the whole alliance. Today it is 75%,"Rasmussen said. "This increasing economic gap may also lead to an increasing technology gap which will almost hamper the inter-operability between our forces. The Americans provide & still more advanced military assets and equipment; the Europeans are lagging behind. And eventually it will be difficult to co-operate even if you had the political will to co-operate because of the technological gap."

That reminds me of when Stewie on Family Guy was at the fair and did the whole "This is rifle and this is my gun" or whatever routine.

-------------

More on Robert Gates (I am starting to like this guy for some reason) calling NATO pussies:

"Last week we got a glimpse of an answer and it was not nice. The outgoing US defence secretary, Robert Gates, berated Europe?s "failure of political will" in not maintaining defence spending. He said Nato had declined into a "two-tier alliance" between those willing to wage war and those "who specialise in ?soft? humanitarian, development, peacekeeping and talking tasks". Peace, he implied, is for wimps. Real men buy bombs, and drop them."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

You know, I am starting to feel bad for NATO...
Also: "Libya has cost Britain ?100m so far" WTF, that?s it? One of the countries with the most bitching about how we weren?t willing to fight and they haven?t even spent a third of what we have spent? Correct me if I am wrong, guys!

[ edited by nimira ]
 
  by: nimira     06/20/2011 08:06 AM     
  Ron Paul speaks on all five wars  
    
  by: nimira     06/20/2011 10:08 AM     
  I hate Gaddafi Loyalists  
    
  by: nimira     06/20/2011 10:16 AM     
  @Nimira  
  
So Robert Gates is berating the europeans because they are not spending 9/10th of their GDP on military garbage like his country is doing? Instead of berating his own country for spending 9/10th of their GDP on garbage? And still not winning a single war to show for it? Total and utter mismanagement of resources for years and years and abject disregad for the death caused by war mismanagement?
 
  by: kmazzawi     06/20/2011 04:02 PM     
  What about Palestine?  
  
That is still going on. I left comments here. I have ranted enough for one day!

http://www.shortnews.com/...
 
  by: captainJane     06/20/2011 04:16 PM     
  Re to Nimira and jane  
  
The main contingent of resistance to Ron Paul in the Republican party is comprised of those who believe we must back Israel in every conceivable way.

As a result, he´s been labeled an anti-semite, despite the fact that many of the economists he studies and advocates were Jewish.
 
  by: jenkie     06/20/2011 04:55 PM     
  @ jenkie  
  
I´m not saying you should prefer one over the other. That´s up to you and I have no say in that.

What I´m saying is that I believe they go hand in hand. AKA the welfare state has led to the warfare state.

When people demand too many resources from government, it can become ´feasible´ for that government to engage in war to secure those resources.

If you´ll remember, that´s how Nazi Germany arose out of the disaster of the Wiemar Republic. They quickly went from some of the worst poverty in history to great prosperity and technology.

To keep their prosperity/technology bubble going, they invaded nearby nations to the point of starting a worldwide war. This led to disastrous consequences for them, of course.

The Germans relied too much on their government to give them prosperity, just as we rely too much on our government to give us prosperity.

Until we start relying upon ourselves for our own prosperity and not government, war will continue to rule the realm...that is until we collapse into a powerless 3rd world nation just like the Germans did.
 
  by: Questioning_Answers     06/20/2011 10:49 PM     
  @kmazzawi  
  
Yeah, that is right! I am making fun of the fact that we were demanded by the European countries to get involved and yet they aren´t doing shit on their part. How I feel towards whether or not we should be involved is what this thread is about.

I agree with you too, it is absurd. But, to be honest, Europe should have never started this shit in the first place, now they are scrambling to figure out how to fix it. They bitch us out for getting into matters that don´t concern us (...directly), but we´re supposed to be there at their every beck and call. So yeah, I agree with Robert Gates. If we are stuck in this war that they created, then fuck them, they need to step it up.

[ edited by nimira ]
 
  by: nimira     06/21/2011 06:49 AM     
  Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen  
  
Pakistan girl is forced to wear a suicide vest.

http://www.aljazeera.com/...

Yemen:

12 terrorists killed:

http://www.aljazeera.com/...

Anti-Yemen-government protests:

http://www.aljazeera.com/...

Syria: Assad gave a speech in Syria about the ´outlaws´.

http://www.aljazeera.com/...

Afghanistan:

http://www.aljazeera.com/...

A small snippit that is sad: "S foreign assistance to Afghanistan currently constitutes an astounding 97 per cent of that country´s gross domestic product; when it declines, as it inevitably will, an economic depression is likely to result."

Libya:

NATO says it was justified in the recent attack that killed 15 innocent people. The attack was against a legitimate command-and-control node and that they are sad that 15 innocent people were killed in the strike.

http://www.cnn.com/...

I believe them, it is war (regardless what some people who want to believe it as only an ´attack´), shit like this will happen, but it is sad :(
 
  by: nimira     06/21/2011 07:22 AM     
  More  
  
Al-Jazeera blasts Obama for lying on his campaign: http://www.aljazeera.com/...

Plus, blames us for Libya: "Never mind the fact that Obama escalated the war in Afghanistan. Forget also the fact that he ramped up the air-wars in Pakistan and Yemen - starting one in Libya - or presided over the killing of Osama bin Laden."

But it really is a good read!

Also, someone pointed out (http://answers.yahoo.com/... that the European countries wanted a reason to attack Gaddafi because of the Pan Am Flight 103 that hit Scotland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...

Who knows?

RT asks Geydar Dzhemal, political scientist and chairman of the Islamic Committee of Russia, why the West is bombing Libya:

http://rt.com/...

Times on why we started bombing Libya: http://swampland.time.com/...

More detail on the events that caused this conflict and more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/...
 
  by: nimira     06/21/2011 07:37 AM     
  @cj and jenkie  
  
@cj: yeah, I feel really bad for people in Palestine. I saw that headline the other day and I was like "sigh"... It is sad when you have to FORCE a confession out of someone.

@jenkie: I think I will definitely vote for Ron Paul this go around. Obama is worthless... I can´t believe he is such a dick and then he hides behind "I am for you guys, the small peoples" bullshit. At least Bush was outright pro-business and war. He may have lied, but we knew where he stood. He never surprised us. Obama lied his ass off, and continues to and continues to keep his support through it.

Basically, Ron Paul seems to be the only politician that hasn´t really changed gears on anything he has said (imo). For once, I would love to see a president that doesn´t lie every time he gets up on the podium to address ME, the small peoples.
 
  by: nimira     06/21/2011 07:44 AM     
  Re to Nimira  
  
That´s music to my ears! Unfortunately, you may not get a chance unless you´re a registered Republican...I know, I know, the irony is Shakespearean.

I remember when I had to register, had a bad taste in my mouth all day leading up to it. But finally I confronted the inner turmoil, by admitting that I wasn´t supporting the body politic as a whole; rather, I was acting on a most noble intent. If my pathetic little misgivings and momentary discomfort could contribute to saving tens of thousands of lives across the world, I would be a fool to hesitate.

Paul needs all the help he can get simply moving past the primaries. If you can give him one vote, it´s worthy; if you can help others realize the predicament we´re in, it becomes damn significant.

In the end, it´s not the man I vote for, but the ideas; chiefly, that free individuals can improve peace and prosperity by example, as can a country. No force required.



 
  by: jenkie     06/21/2011 01:23 PM     
  Syria and Iraq  
  
This is ...odd. I am glad they are doing it it but it is still odd.

Syrians are protesting against the violence with vows to marry rape victims (remember, there are men who have been raped in some form there, as well).

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/...

Just... wow. I have my hopes these relationships will stand true and prosper.


---
22 - 27 people die in Iraq in a suicide bomb attack

http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/...

http://www.cnn.com/...

---
http://www.cnn.com/...

43.3 million refugees in the world. 15.3m of them are fleeing their country.

---
Badass (well not really): A list of "Unrest by country"

http://www.cnn.com/...


Has anyone been watching the Morocco thing lately? I hope that doesn´t turn into a Yemen (or Libya/Syria).
 
  by: nimira     06/22/2011 09:54 AM     
  From what I can gather from Morocco...  
  
they do not have the problems of dictatorship. I am just confused just what they are protesting about!
 
  by: captainJane     06/22/2011 12:16 PM     
  NATO and America  
    
  by: nimira     06/23/2011 06:45 AM     
  Syria and Libya and Afghanistan  
  
Ooooooooooh Syria fighting back against those sanctions that EU implemented:

"A defiant Syria says European Union sanctions against it amount to war and is warning that it will not tolerate any foreign interference in its internal affairs."

http://www.globalpost.com/...

"Since the mid-March outbreak of disturbances in Syria, "not a single European leader has come to Syria to discuss what is going on," Muallim said. Instead, "they have begun imposing a series of sanctions that today are hitting the livelihood of Syrians, which is equivalent to war.""

I thought that no foreign ...person was allowed in Syria?

-------------------
Italy says no more combat:

http://news.yahoo.com/...

I guess they´re stupid for thinking that Libya is a combat zone!

-------------------
Afghanistan:

People are worried that all the good the US has done in Afghanistan will deteriorate

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...
 
  by: nimira     06/23/2011 07:13 AM     
  On a lighter note:  
  
"U.S. Army Gen. James David Thurman admitted Friday that he felt extremely jealous of the Syrian military’s ability to relentlessly attack its own citizens. "

http://www.theonion.com/...

"Despite being constantly tempted by the seductive power of having an apocalyptic arsenal at his fingertips, President Barack Obama somehow made it through another day Tuesday without unlocking the box on his desk that houses "the button" and launching all 5,113 U.S. nuclear warheads."

http://www.theonion.com/...
 
  by: nimira     06/23/2011 07:31 AM     
  Ooooh!  
    
  by: nimira     06/23/2011 11:52 AM     
  Libya and Afghanistan  
  
Hillary Clinton is wondering why Congress is against the ....thing.... in Libya.

http://apnews.myway.com/...

Funny thing is, if Obama asks for permission for an extension, I am sure Congress would be all good with that. But, since he is (and illegally, though we can´t say that) continuing without support of Congress, Congress is not liking it. So of course Congress doesn´t care about the citizens of Libya!



In other news, Gaddafi is pleading with NATO to stop attacking, and mentions the killing of 15 innocent people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/...

Worth a read if you get a chance

--------------

Obama´s choice to (finally) withdrawal (some) troops from Afghanistan comes at a time when he is working on getting Re-elected.

So, does he care about the troops or his reelection? I call on the supporters of Obama to defend him. I want to hear your/his side of the story.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/...


It is understood that the casualty rate in the Afghanistan ....thing.... has increased significantly since Obama became president (though, I never hear of that on the news... hence the reason for this thread!).

During Bush´s 87 months: 570 casualties.
During Obama´s 29 months: 970 casualties.

http://cnsnews.com/...
 
  by: nimira     06/23/2011 05:28 PM     
  @everyone  
  
I hope you guys understand that I am not pro or anti Obama or Bush or anyone else. I am anti-war. If I say things that make me seem like I hate Obama, it is because I distrust him and dislike some of the situations he has put us in. But I am not blind to the things he has done for (good) us either.

The media has all but forgotten Iraq and Afghanistan. The only reason they play anything about Afghanistan now is because Obama is making a big and important announcement. This thread is my attempt to share links so you guys won´t have to go searching. I am not going out of my way, usually, to find these, but when I do I like to add them here. Anyone is welcome to contribute to this thread!
 
  by: nimira     06/23/2011 05:31 PM     
  Iran, Libya and Afghanistan  
  
Afghanistan:

Obama talks about how he met a living dead soldier:

http://blogs.cbn.com/...

Iran:

Five Russian scientists who helped Iran build their nuclear secrets are now dead. They died in the recent plane crash in Russia that killed 40 other people.

"No official suspicion of foul play" of course not

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/...


Libya:

Obama apparently can´t make up his mind in supporting the Libyan rebel troops in that ...thing... they are doing right now.

"So what´s the hold up? The TNC´s prime minister, Mahmoud Jibril, came to Washington last month and held extensive discussions with the White House, the State Department, the Treasury Department, and several lawmakers. He pleaded for the administration to recognize the TNC as the official government of Libya, which would give them access to the billions in frozen assets.

But the Obama administration refuses to do that because, despite launching an air campaign targeting Qaddafi´s military and command infrastructure, it hasn´t actually abandoned recognition of his regime. "

Ahhhhhhhhhh.... I am not touching this.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/...

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  by: nimira     06/24/2011 09:30 AM     
  @Nimira  
  
This is to clarify my second post in this thread, check the sign about china and russia:

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/...

from:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/...
 
  by: kmazzawi     06/24/2011 06:02 PM     
  @kmazzawi  
  
I am not sure what you are wanting me to understand?
 
  by: nimira     06/27/2011 11:26 AM     
  Libya:  
  
In Misrata, the rebels we are supporting are now cleansing the area of black people.:
http://www.blackstarnews.com/...

Not really sure:
http://www.reuters.com/...

Western Libya is tasting freedom now that Gaddafi is loosing power:
http://www.nytimes.com/...

An interesting opinion piece on reading about Gaddafi and if you should believe:
http://www.independent.co.uk/...

Gaddafi doesn´t care about not being allowed in the negotiation process of the African Union (AU) High-Level Committee on Libya:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/...

"Traitors keep out":
http://online.wsj.com/...
 
  by: nimira     06/27/2011 11:48 AM     
  Syria  
  
"More than 150 Syrian intellectuals and activists including prominent opposition figures will meet in Damascus on Monday to discuss the current crisis and propose a way out of the violence."
http://www.independent.ie/...
But some don´t want to go?

Another on that gathering: http://www.google.com/...

Also in that are details of more innocent lives taken.

Fear eating away at a Syrian city (Homs)...
http://www.economist.com/...

Homs also has some beautiful buildings: http://en.wikipedia.org/...

Syrians fleeing to Lebannon and Turkey... Syria moves to intercept:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/...

More than 1,000 Syrians flee to Lebannon over the weekend:
http://english.aljazeera.net/...

Also TIL that Al Jazeera doesn´t force you to watch 30 seconds worth of ads before the video.

An article about Assad dealing with teen protesters, etc:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/...

Five shot dead during anti-government protester funerals:
http://english.aljazeera.net/...
Also on Friday, another 20 people were killed

Civilians being chased by a bulldozer (Lattakia):
http://www.youtube.com/...
 
  by: nimira     06/27/2011 12:03 PM     
  Iran and US  
  
Iran:

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei complains about the drone strikes in Afghanistan and Pakistan:
http://www.latimes.com/...

"The Iranian president addressed the Arab leaders at the two-day summit, saying both the Holocaust and the 2001 terror attacks were pretexts by the U.S. to put down Muslims and at the same time make huge economic benefits by spreading panic in the region. Ahmadinejad has often questioned what he called accepted truths. "
http://www.haaretz.com/...
Can someone explain that to me?

US

http://www.independent.ie/...
The US (Obama) threatens to cut funding to UN if they vote to make Palestine a state.
http://www.independent.ie/...

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  by: nimira     06/27/2011 12:06 PM     
  @Nimira  
  
My post is about Syria being an iranian/chinese/russian issue. You were asking why the US/West is not attacking there.
 
  by: kmazzawi     06/27/2011 02:58 PM     
  @kmazzawi  
  
I understand this. What I don´t understand is why we feel that it is necessary to bomb Libya under the guise of Human Rights, while Syria is set loose on their citizens. Why is it OK for China and Russia to have control over Syria and we have to listen to them? Why aren´t we supporting the ´rebels´ in Syria?

And what do we call the thing that is happening in Libya? Ben never specified, but it totally isn´t war (I think?).
 
  by: nimira     06/28/2011 12:15 PM     
  @Nimira  
  
Because Syrians are not worth other countries going to ww3 over. You have to acknowledge the colonial map, it exists, it is much more loose than colonial maps from times bygone but the map still exists. I also would be surprised if the Syrian army shooting civilians does not already contain iranian republican guards.
 
  by: kmazzawi     06/28/2011 02:52 PM     
  @Nimira  
  
It also just occured to me that Charlie´s first instinct would probably be to defend the republican guards.
 
  by: kmazzawi     06/28/2011 02:53 PM     
  kmazzawi  
  
That was a bunch of epic mind fuck for me :P

Seriously though, besides crying about how 2faced Europe/US is about Libya vs. Syria, I don´t have a comment. I´ll have to think on this longer.

Thanks for the info!
 
  by: nimira     06/29/2011 06:38 AM     
  Just a link about Libya...  
  
Libyan Base Falls to a Rebel Ambush in the West

http://www.nytimes.com/...

@Jenkie and nima

The biggest mistakes America and the UK has ever made is backing and covering up all the atrocities made by the Israeli Government. We can expect nothing but condemnation for our part.

And I say our part because we are all tarnished with the same filthy brush in the eyes of the world! Hangs my head in shame.
 
  by: captainJane     06/29/2011 04:02 PM     
  What was I saying before.  
  
Britain accused of collaborating with Israel over Salah arrest

Arab Israelis and Palestinians say arrest of Sheikh Raed Salah in London is ´strange´ and ´illegitimate´, and call for his release...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...
 
  by: captainJane     06/29/2011 05:29 PM     
  @cj  
  
On thing I am saying in this thread is basically that we should stay out of other peoples´ business and we have failed miserably at that.

Thank you Obama!
 
  by: nimira     06/30/2011 01:58 PM     
  Syria  
  
An ex-Syria-sniper speaks up http://english.aljazeera.net/...
 
  by: nimira     07/01/2011 06:27 AM     
  Stuff on our current Middle East/Africa situations  
    
  by: nimira     07/02/2011 10:53 PM     
  Stay out of peoples problems..  
  
What the problems we helped to create? Yeah, very fair indeed!
 
  by: captainJane     07/03/2011 12:05 AM     
  @CptnJane  
  
wow, thanx a lot you made my day. Finally England woke up and is going around arresting those murder mongers. For decades Egypt was asking for the arrest of zawahiri, the egyptian personal doctor of bin laden and today is the leader of qaeda. We wanted his ass for couple decades before 911 for the murders and civilians murders he caused in Egypt, yet England ´protected´ him because he is a ´religious´ figure, exercising his ´free speech´. Screw him and screw this murderous killer england just extradited.
 
  by: kmazzawi     07/03/2011 04:07 PM     
  England  
  
is still the same, we just had business talks with China even though their human rights abuses are a major talking point, but our politicians wont bring it up. Free speech comes at a price and some of that cost comes in keeping quiet.
We chose to ignore the Libya problem for years, we created the Palestine problem then turned our backs. England along with others need to prioritise, fix the mess we have made and advise others and not interfere too much, but be on hand to help.
 
  by: captainJane     07/03/2011 06:36 PM     
  Ghost of Presidents past  
    
  by: vhan     07/03/2011 10:32 PM     
  Amnesty International accuses Syria  
  
...of crimes against humanity.

http://english.aljazeera.net/...

 
  by: nimira     07/06/2011 06:32 PM     
  Mass graves found in Sudan  
    
  by: nimira     07/15/2011 09:43 AM     
  Israel going to war with Iran in Sept 2011?  
  
Maybe, we won´t know until it happens. But all signs point to "YES"

http://www.zerohedge.com/...

^also, if you don´t like that source then just use your mind for those signs and, although maybe not september... at some point they´ll go to war and guess who gets to join?
 
  by: nimira     07/18/2011 07:17 AM     
  So.  
  
I have given up, this is making me too depressed.

But don´t forget, guys.
 
  by: nimira     08/01/2011 10:36 AM     
  Anonymous hacks Syrian defense site  
    
  by: nimira     08/09/2011 06:31 AM     
  nice one  
  
nice find nimira, the arabic writing is very inspiring.
 
  by: kmazzawi     08/09/2011 04:01 PM     
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