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Majority of US gives Bush good job approval mark

 

55% of Americans approve of the way President Bush is handling his job. 42% don't believe he is doing a good job.

60% of Americans have a positive image of Bush while 39% do not. The responses showed that Bush's positive approval rating does not necessarily translate into a perception of military success.

72% believe that the country is more deeply divided on issues than it has been in the past several years. Respondents also said they believe Americans are divided when it comes to values, 65 percent say greatly divided,

 
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  35 Comments
  
  How come...  
 
no one ever asks me these questions. Who did they poll, Bob Jones University students?
 
  by: lurker     11/22/2004 11:08 PM     
  my thoughts  
 
exactly.
Instead of saying "55% of Americans" or "60% of Americans" they should say "55% of the 4 Americans that we decided were worth polling..."
 
  by: h0tdamn365   11/22/2004 11:18 PM     
  Therefore the majority of Americans....  
 
are either niave or right wing nazis. or both.

Wake up and smell the blood
 
  by: penguin133   11/22/2004 11:24 PM     
  Polls today are screwed....  
 
They don't include many young people(Uni Students) who only have a cell phone... Which is somewhere is the 15% range(Don't hold me to that number)
 
  by: yomasta   11/23/2004 12:21 AM     
  and apparently 85% of the country  
 
doesn't watch the news either. ;)
 
  by: McDumpster   11/23/2004 12:29 AM     
  But hasnt the Bush admin...  
 
Put your country 10 trillion dollars in debt?
 
  by: koultunami     11/23/2004 01:15 AM     
  Well,  
 
we can't blame him for the whole 10 trillion. He's just increased it more than any other president.
 
  by: lurker     11/23/2004 02:12 AM     
  Actually,  
 
the national debt is about $7.5 trillion, not yet 10.
 
  by: lurker     11/23/2004 02:17 AM     
  and yet  
 
despite all of that HE STILL BEAT KERRY!
 
  by: sjava     11/23/2004 03:34 AM     
  idiocy reigns  
 
that's the problem with this past election. Bush appealed to the christian-faith base and the "moral values" that won him votes, but he's screwing the rest of us by trying to make America christianized. i'd rather burn on the end of a pike over boiling acid than see that happen
 
  by: richjournalist     11/23/2004 03:48 AM     
  to Richjournalist  
 
Don't open any history books or you might end up climbing that pike. The US was founded by Christians. They included God in oaths of office, the legal system, and the declaration of independence. The recent (past 30 years) trend has been to remove faith from government.

 
  by: athinker   11/23/2004 05:33 AM     
  A simple google search  
 
for "The US was founded by Christians" returns about 702.000 pages. I havn't checked them all, but the first 10 contain several pages that dispute the quote.
The US was, apparently, founded on some odd belief that one could have freedom of religion, and separation of church an state.
 
  by: ec5618   11/23/2004 07:19 AM     
  Well I know it may not quite...  
 
HAve been 10 trillion I've just heard that from a few sources that may not be legit.

But aren't you guys worried by this? I read an intresting thread where someone said every man woman and child would need to give the government $28,000 dollars to pay this off...

 
  by: koultunami     11/23/2004 09:59 AM     
  @athinker  
 
yeah i know all that, and as much as i'd like to believe you about removing it from gov't, with Bush's term, it's been nothing but bringing it in and appealing only to them
 
  by: richjournalist     11/23/2004 01:09 PM     
  Interested  
 
I am just fascinated to know exactly how 55% of the Americans polled came to this conclusion.

I read a lot of news, I watch news on TV, I read international websites like the BBC, and I watch documentaries like 60 minutes and Dateline. Through all of this I have yet to see in what way Bush can be considered to be doing a 'good job.'

I have posed this question before to the Bush supporters on this site and I have yet to fully understand what it is that Bush has done.

This president went to war on a lie, told us he had accomplished his mission, and yet nearly two years later we are still seeing body bags (well actually the body bags are forbidden from being shown on the news). The media seems more censored, the dollar is soon going to be worth less than all major currencies, the deficit is incredible, healthcare is virtually non-existent for millions of people, our literacy rate is an embarrassment, 12.6 million Americans go hungry, etc etc.

I have never seen someone do such a bad job and yet be congratulated so much. I can't help think that Americans automatically say that the President is doing a good job in order to be patriotic. Because by any meaningful measure I don't see how we could call his record good. However, I will say this. His administration is the most incredible spin machine I have ever seen.
 
  by: ZCT     11/23/2004 02:37 PM     
  ZCT  
 
Give it up already. Not only does the majority approve of what he has done. They voted him in for 4 more years. Get over it! The majority has spoken.

Thats Democracy!
 
  by: firemedicntx   11/23/2004 04:20 PM     
  yomasta  
 
Thats funny. Cause the same young, cell phone people you speak of, DONT VOTE!

So it doesnt matter.
 
  by: firemedicntx   11/23/2004 04:23 PM     
  It's just another crazy poll.  
 
They polled 1015 people and claim to have 3% accuracy. Other things they found in the poll are:

63% believe openly gay men/women should serve in the military.

43% oppose both same sex marriages and civil unions.

Nearly 2/3s believe Irael and Arab nations will never get along.

When you compare this poll to the recent election it makes you wonder. Why didn't these folks go to the polls?

IMHO, most surveys are only slightly better than Psychic Friends Network.
 
  by: athinker   11/23/2004 04:39 PM     
  @koultunami  
 
"But aren't you guys worried by this? I read an intresting thread where someone said every man woman and child would need to give the government $28,000 dollars to pay this off..."

i've said this often though not exactly the number... i give a range to make it more accurate as i dont have the defecit to the dollar, its actual 7.38 trillion as of the 800 billion added to the cap for spending.

if the US had a defecit of exactly 7.38 trillion and a population of exactly 265 million each american (man, woman or child) would need to pay $27849 (and 5 cents...lol).

now not changing the deficet (7.38 trillion) but given 300 million americans (theres not this many yet, i think the US is in the 270-285 million range) each american (again man, woman and child) would need to pay $24600 to settle the debt.

but the cap for the defecit is now 8.18 trillion, so when it get up to 8.18 trillion dollars on the defecit (and you have a world class spender on your hands, paris hilton gone military...lol) you can safely add another 9th (actually another 9.225th) to what each person would owe to settle the debt making the range $27266-30867 (not changing the population estimates of 265 million and 300 million).
 
  by: HAVOC666     11/23/2004 04:53 PM     
  The National Debt Clock:  
   
  by: lurker     11/23/2004 04:59 PM     
  @ZCT  
 
"I am just fascinated to know exactly how 55% of the Americans polled came to this conclusion.

I read a lot of news, I watch news on TV, I read international websites like the BBC, and I watch documentaries like 60 minutes and Dateline. Through all of this I have yet to see in what way Bush can be considered to be doing a 'good job.'

I have posed this question before to the Bush supporters on this site and I have yet to fully understand what it is that Bush has done."

the most important thing to learn about polls is its not the question you ask and not even so much who you ask... its how you word it.
 
  by: HAVOC666     11/23/2004 05:00 PM     
  National Geographic  
 
National Geographic did a survey a few years back and the vast majority (over 70%) of Americans asked couldn't place Cuba on a map .
Oh and heres one you're gonna love in the 1960's 1 out of every 4 Americans didn't trust their government ....now it's 3 out of every 4 ....and yes I can source that ... I have it on tape somewhere in the archive..........
 
  by: rory182     11/23/2004 06:28 PM     
  @ec5618  
 
"for "The US was founded by Christians" returns about 702.000 pages. I havn't checked them all, but the first 10 contain several pages that dispute the quote."

I think you'll find the authors of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were overwhelmingly Christian. Some of the sites you mention state America was not founded as a Christian Nation. That's a very different matter and I agree with that statement. The driving force for early colonization was the escape the control of the Church of England. There's no way they were going to start up their own Church of America.

The founders of this nation would be amazed at some of the actions taking place to keep God and state separate. Do you ever wonder why they'd outlaw something and then continue it as common practice? (Oaths of office, judicial oaths, etc that invoke God). Were they insane or just hypocrites?

Just to be clear, I don't want the religious right to control our politics any more than I want the extreme left. I just think we've gone overboard in some cases recently. For example, why can a non-religious club use classrooms after school while a religious group cannot? Is there really any harm from letting either group use the facilities? (unless of course it's a hate group)
 
  by: athinker   11/23/2004 06:45 PM     
  @firemedicntx  
 
Thank you for your incredibly insightful post that completely failed to address my point. I appreciate you letting me know who won the election because although I actually reported who won the election on ShortNews before even CNN.com posted the story, I had no idea that Bush won. So thanks for the info on that.

Now instead of stating the obvious and trying to discuss politics as you might discuss a football match, why don't you see if you have the intelligence to actually address my question? Explain for me some of the wonderful achievements that should lead me to believe that Bush has done a great job in office. Maybe see if you can list his top ten achievements.
 
  by: ZCT     11/24/2004 12:02 AM     
  I can give you a couple to start...  
 
1) He won the 2000 election... Fair and sq... Oh... Anyway he became president.
2) He stayed on as president in 2004.
3) He trained Auntie Blair to follow instructions like a good puppy.
4) He got revenge for his pappy on Soddem.
5) He freed 10s of thousands of Iraqis from that terrible leader by taking them to a better place.
6) Er... Oh. Wait... Er... thats it I think...
I did better than I expected...
Anyone else?
 
  by: bag     11/24/2004 02:29 AM     
  Simple  
 
He appeals to self rightousness of many Americans with his were saving the world rhetoric and bullshit.
Most americans have Europeans painted as the epitomey what they hate and what isnt American, so any angry frewnch person simply convinces them they correct.

As for the foundation of(North) America, well the first colonies were founded in 1500's, or a bit before, by Britain as a direct threat to spain, and in preparation to take the spanish colonies, since we'd bankrupted spain in its attempts to sieze Ireland.

The Americans, seeing a way to get out of paying taxes to Britain, and the French who wanted allies against Britain and some way to break our strangle hold on the world, paid for an Amnerican army to fight Britain.

That was the foundation, no aethisists fleeing into the unknown, no dawning of capitalism, simply econominc and miltary expansionism.
Many people were fleeing religious persecution, but they were mostly die hard catholics
 
  by: Necralis   11/25/2004 12:21 AM     
  Amazing  
 
After nearly 24 hours not one of the fascists on ShortNews have been able to give some good examples of great Bush leadership. Amazing.
 
  by: ZCT     11/25/2004 07:07 AM     
  @ZCT  
 
Dude! Wheres my post? lol
 
  by: firemedicntx   11/25/2004 06:56 PM     
  @ZTC  
 
Well, he missled the people of the US into an unjust war against a country who had no means to attack their. Aint that a great exemple? :)

He never won an election faire and square, yet he made people of the US believe he had won his election faire and square! :)

Now to be fascist.
White power! Death to all non-white people! USA is for the white supreme race! And vote Bush! And pray for god.
 
  by: veritek   11/25/2004 07:17 PM     
  @veritek  
 
Where's your proof that either of the elections was fixed? There's a lot of money on the table for anyone who can conclusively prove it. Until that point, it's all the whining of sore losers and other liberal sympathizers.

While the Bush Administration may have misled everyone on the "why" for the war in Iraq, it has not been proven that he himself orchestrated any of it. Until that's proven, again, it's whiners and liberal sympathizers.

No matter the official reason for the war in Iraq, only a morally bankrupt person can sit there and say that a genocidal maniac like Saddam should not have been removed from power. He caused the deaths of over 1.3 million Iraqis, that's just under 25% of the number of Jewish deaths that Hitler caused.
 
  by: sjava     11/25/2004 09:50 PM     
  define:fascism  
 
fascism -- (a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism))

Yep, that's the Bush neocons all right.
 
  by: lurker     11/25/2004 10:26 PM     
  Bush won  
 
the second election, he cheated, but would have won anyway.
He lost the first.
 
  by: Necralis   11/26/2004 02:23 AM     
  @sjava  
 
Well by your same logic the same thing could be said about the genocide occuring in Sudan right now. But is GWB doing anything about that? Hmmm ... it sure doesn't look like it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
 
  by: Daev     11/26/2004 03:54 AM     
  @daev  
 
I totally agree with you, something needs to be done in the Sudan, if Bush were to commit troops for that at this time it would be political suicide, not that he'd have to worry about it for re-election, but any of the politicians who agreed would be in deep with their constituents..
I notice, yet again, that I don't see the wonderful all-knowing UN doing anything about it either, but that shouldn't surprise anyone..
 
  by: sjava     11/26/2004 05:17 AM     
  @Sudan  
 
Sudan is not a threat to the US so Bush doesn't care. (before Sudan expelled Bin Laden, etc). Granted, neither was pre-invasion Iraq. ;)
 
  by: JFURY     11/26/2004 05:31 AM     
 
 
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