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11/29/2004 07:28 PM ID: 44772 Permalink   

PS3's Heart Is A Monster

 

Sony, Toshiba and IBM have launched some limited information about the CPU destined to become the heart of their new PlayStation 3 games console.

The Cell Chip will be capable of around 16 trillion calculations per second and will outperform the current generation of games console chips ten fold.

Sony is expected to unveil its new games system during 2005, allowing software producers access to it. It will be released to the public in 2006.

 
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  All I can say is...  
 
*DROOL*
 
  by: DeadTaco   11/29/2004 07:56 PM     
  lol... that was vague (the source)...  
 
in my opinion for the PS3, to even be worth the money of the original price of the PS2 they have an unbelievable task to accomplish (for me to buy the system), first they'd have to completely change the controller layout to more like nintendo and xbox's contoller, the controller is probably the second worst thing about the Playstation next being the lack of quality games (in my opinion), i have an xbox, and i have seen games on it that PS2 couldn't dream of touching (fable, halo 2... ect, even older games).

i almost considered buying a PS2 but for me it would've been a wasted of money to me it would only be used for a few racing games and for the dvd player... to me the qualifies as a wasted of money. but again all in my opinion.

P.S. Halo 2 online is oustanding.
 
  by: HAVOC666     11/29/2004 09:05 PM     
  DROOL?  
 
More like "ppffff"

Outperform current console by tenfold? What do you think computers have been doing for years?
 
  by: fredfredrickson   11/29/2004 09:10 PM     
  Well  
 
Considering we're at a processor bottleneck in technology, it will probably be pretty fast for awhile.

Needless to say, I don't own a single console nor do I plan on buying one. I was just imagining myself playing Halflife 2 at 2000 fps. My current 90fps isn't fast enough for my geeky tastes.
 
  by: DeadTaco   11/29/2004 09:16 PM     
  ...right...  
 
16 trillion FLoating point OPerations (16 teraFLOPs) would mean that it would be about half the operating capacity of the NEC Earth Simlulator, which was recently tenatively demoted to the 2nd most powerful supercomputer in the world.

Not only that, it'll have 5 gigabytes of 1 terahertz RAM from Samsung, 5 exabytes of solid state storage, and a NeuralNet processah, a learning computah.

Latest word on the appearance of the PS3 is something like the TrapperKeeper Ultra Keeper Futura 2000.

WTF, BBC?
 
  by: hergs   11/29/2004 09:18 PM     
  @HAVOC666 - Grow Up  
 
Mine's better than yours nah nah na nah nah. Geez. Just because you have an X-Box does not render all other machines crap. Nor does it mean you have to support the X-Box like it were a football team.

When you own a particular games system you get used to it. How it works the controller, the games etc. I hardly think you can write off the PS2 has having a lack of quality games for it. If this were the case why do people buy the PS2? FYI the X-Box controller came under a lot of criticism especially in Japan for having a controller that was too big and bulky.

Your scornful post is just silly. The information about the PS3 seems like it will blow all other platforms away until the rivals produce their next generation consoles. A machine with this kind of power could easily emulate any game for this generation of games consoles. You are dissin' a machine that has not even been released yet. Why not wait and see what it can do?
 
  by: ZCT     11/29/2004 09:42 PM     
  because  
 
console gamers are like most people here on SN, bigoted and quick to jump on something they don't personally like and attack it without reasons or facts?
 
  by: sjava     11/29/2004 10:00 PM     
  X-Box  
 
The controller is just a matter of taste. I can't stand the X-Box or Nintendo controllers. They are definity too big for my taste. How anyone can claim that the PS2 doesn't have any quality games however is beyond me. The only game currently on the X-Box that I'd be interested in playing right now is Fable. After playing FPS games on the PC I can't seem to get into them on the console (didn't like halo much anyway).
 
  by: t_strimp   11/29/2004 10:09 PM     
  I dont own either  
 
If I was going to, I'd buy an Xbox.

5ghz Ram, I'll believe that when I see it, memory production just couldnt cope with that, prices would sky rocket.
5exabyte hard drive, for what possible purpose?

And a learning computer, been there done that bought the t shirt hasnt worked in games before, and its been tried, although it might be abole to use the hard drive

The onoly thing I liked about Playstations WAS the controller, the stupid three handled jokes with 75 buttons scare the crap out of me.
 
  by: Necralis   11/29/2004 10:12 PM     
  @ZCT  
 
"Mine's better than yours nah nah na nah nah. Geez. Just because you have an X-Box does not render all other machines crap. Nor does it mean you have to support the X-Box like it were a football team.

When you own a particular games system you get used to it. How it works the controller, the games etc. I hardly think you can write off the PS2 has having a lack of quality games for it. If this were the case why do people buy the PS2? FYI the X-Box controller came under a lot of criticism especially in Japan for having a controller that was too big and bulky.

Your scornful post is just silly. The information about the PS3 seems like it will blow all other platforms away until the rivals produce their next generation consoles. A machine with this kind of power could easily emulate any game for this generation of games consoles. You are dissin' a machine that has not even been released yet. Why not wait and see what it can do?"

no actually i tested the PS2, gamecube and xbox for a few days at a few stores using a few different games. i chose xbox and haven't ever wondered why i made that choice... i full well know.

and i'm well aware of the fact most people don't like the big xbox controllers, personally i think its the best controller i've used (for a game console), but actually the reason is mainly because is a bigger controller the PS/PS2 controllers were too small for me.

i'll wait and see what i can do, but microsoft, can almost be assured that i'll be buying an xbox next.

reputation can make or break you in business, Playstation has a good rep with alot of people, i'm not one of those people.

maybe if i was into there big selling games like the GTA's and the final fantasy's and those games maybe i'd be a playstation gamer, but the games for playstation and the controller just don't jive with me.

actually when PS2 first came out it was a tough choice for me, between xbox and PS2, i wanted them both, but the PS2 controller was impossible for me to work with...

i'm a big guy, i got big hands to match, some days (feel free to call me crazy for this) i think the regular xbox controller is too small. but now i'm using the mad catz xbox s controller, its a bit small for my tastes, but i couldn't find the regular size controllers, apparently they do still sell them, just not at most stores.

gamecube was a write-off for me... too mickey mouse.

i wish they just make a system that was geared to older gamers. the xbox has alot of appeal there, but i think it could still go quite abit further.
 
  by: HAVOC666     11/29/2004 10:45 PM     
  PS2 Controller = pwnage  
 
0mfg I love the PS2 controller. I even bought myself one of those Radio Shack gadgets that allow you to use the PS2 controller on the PC :D

Only thing that I'd bitch about is that FPS games should be played with the Keyboard + Mouse combo. Sure, you *could* get used to the controller, and even get pretty good at it, but it just doesnt have the same "feel".
 
  by: StaticFlux   11/29/2004 10:55 PM     
  @t_strimp  
 
Isn't at least the GC controller physically smaller than the PS2 controller? I tried one at Walmart (wanna buy one someday) and it felt like I was holding like a little toy. Not to say it's not comfortable though. The Xbox controller is by far the most comfortable in my opinion...

Anyway, back on subject. Sony has a tradition of over-hyping their new technology and making promises that they can't, and won't, deliver on in the end. That's not say their claims are unfeasible, but most likely inflated...
 
  by: foahchon.   11/29/2004 11:02 PM     
  @t_shrimp  
 
"How anyone can claim that the PS2 doesn't have any quality games however is beyond me. The only game currently on the X-Box that I'd be interested in playing right now is Fable. After playing FPS games on the PC I can't seem to get into them on the console (didn't like halo much anyway)."

its a matter of taste when i talk about quality in games, personally i don't think i've played a game on playstation other than gran turismo 1&3 (2 in my opinion was horrible) and the street fighter alpha something that handled well.

even wrestling games although this goes litterally accross the chart, i haven't played a good wrestling game (graphics, and gameplay wise) on gamecube, xboxx, PS or PS2... even the THQ ones handle horribly now.

as for fable, well its a great game except 2 things and they are fairly critical.

1) way, way, way too short. can fairly easily be beaten in under 24 hours of gameplay.

2) its xbox live aware, but not playable online.

but on the other hand you get tattooes that fade, hair turning grey, a great fighting system (its perfect in my opinion for the xbox controller), scars that stay with you forever and different side-quests depending on how you play the game. definately worth a try if you like RPG's. but like i said way too short, you may be better off to rent it rather than buying it.

halo 2 well its much the same as the first except the graphics are several time better, however i think the vehicals handlingis slightly degraded from the orignal. also playing with 15 other people at a time does tend to cause alittle lag, but thats not the games fault much at all. if you didn't like the first one much you probably wont like this one much either, depending on why you didn't like the first halo.

as the taunt in Age of Kings goes "blame it on your ISP".
 
  by: HAVOC666     11/29/2004 11:10 PM     
  Console Wars Episode VII  
 
PS2:

Pros: Controller is popular with those with small hands crowds and those who only had a PS1 (mostly), Wide selection of Games and accessories. Cost of those games is generally lower than the Xbox, Rockstar releases all GTA games for it one year before any other platform. DVD Playback /wo remote (but works alot better with remote). Plays most PS1 games and with newer models has a PS1 driver that can smooth out the graphics. Parts for PS2 on Ebay are around $50-$60 (Optical Lense Block, etc)

Cons: Outdated CPU/GPU, No Hard Drive, must buy Flash cards for storage (or hard drive add-on, only for non-slim models), Have to buy a Modem/Network Adapter add-on (except for new slim model or promo online package). Get online for free, but sucks compared to the Xbox. Need to buy a Multitap for more than 2 player hookup. Older models ran a loud fan/No built in IrDA. Newer models lost the System Link port and Hard Drive port.

XBox:

Pros: Geforce 3-esque graphics/advanced rendering/way superior to PS2. Built in Network adapter (no modem). XBox Live online, costs $50 a year, but excellent online service compared to Sony's. Built in Hard Drive that you can rip music to the HD and play in various games (GTA /w NWA). Large and Small versions of the Xbox Controller available now. DVD Playback (only with Remote). System Link Port

Cons: More limited selection of software that generally costs more per title (less $20 and under titles, but this is starting to even out). Unit is Large and takes up alot more space than a PS2 (especially slim one). No Modem use, only broadband. Have to pay $50 to get online (Sony is free). Lesser known titles (no final fantasy, etc). MS support sucks and they charge a small fortune to fix the unit ($95 to replace a DVD-ROM ?!?!)

I think these are the major factors, but obviously there are others. For instance, I have had 4 XBox units (luckily all under warranty) and they just don't hold up it seems. I baby all my consoles as well. MS charges unrealistic repair costs and original models of the XBox used Thompson DVD-ROMs that are crap (see here: http://www.freewebs.com/...

A Huge plus for the XBox tho, if you have one you can mod the hell out of it and turn it into a great mod machine.

Never really had any problems with the Sony PS1 or PS2 and you can mod it out somewhat, but not as much as the Xbox.

Point of all this is, each system has its pros and cons. They are both great in their own respect. My only real gripes are that the PS2 is graphically outdated and the XBox breaks too much and uses substandard DVD-ROMs. Overall, you can't go wrong with either.
 
  by: DrDuranDuran   11/29/2004 11:21 PM     
  Consoles are great...  
 
but I'll always stick with my pc. Has nearly every game (pc versions or emulated), much better control especially aiming (in my opinion), and it can be used as a dvd player, gaming device, and of course a computer. A great all-in-one package.
 
  by: opinionated   11/30/2004 02:27 AM     
  @Necralis  
 
You missed the joke. If Sony, Toshiba and IBM are serious, and not distortiong the information, that would mean that 2 PS3s would have the processing power of NEC's Earth Simulator supercomputer. This is not feasable, nor would it be afordable. My extravagant RAM/solid state drive was just that, extravagant fabrication included to cause a humorous reaction, to make people realize the scope of 16 teraflops, and hopefully get a giggle, thanks for ruining the whole thing :-).

As for the NeuralNet learning computer, I hope you caught the T2/Arnold joke there, if not, may God have mercy on your soul.
 
  by: hergs   11/30/2004 02:42 AM     
  One Word: GTA San Andreas  
 
I'd buy a PS2 just for that and Vice City.
 
  by: ZCT     11/30/2004 02:53 AM     
  @drduranduran  
 
"Point of all this is, each system has its pros and cons. They are both great in their own respect. My only real gripes are that the PS2 is graphically outdated and the XBox breaks too much and uses substandard DVD-ROMs. Overall, you can't go wrong with either."

i've actually had my xbox (no replacements except the controllers) since dec 27 (of the same year it came out, it was release about a month prior). maybe i'm just lucky there... my xboxs prime function is actually a music storage and playback.

and another great feature of xbox is custom soundtracks in games, very under-rated feature. somehow i can just race alot better listening to something like dragula by rob zombie. beats a cd player, i got a cd player and its prime fuction is dust collection...lol

and i've still never bought a memory card for xbox... never needed it.
 
  by: HAVOC666     11/30/2004 03:33 AM     
  Who cares  
 
The CPU is only one part of the system. It's raw speed really doesn't say much in terms of the actual PS3's preformance.

Let's be honest, who buys a console purely based on it's CPU anyway?

All this is, is a PR release designed to get idiots who believe the hype in awe and get everyone else talking, and it looks like its achieved its objective.

I think some people have lost the plot when it comes to gaming, they get wrapped up in the numbers and forget what video games are all about.
 
  by: mrmobsoft   11/30/2004 03:34 AM     
  @mrmobsoft  
 
Bah Humbug. You need a visit from the spirit of Christmas gaming.
 
  by: ZCT     11/30/2004 04:05 AM     
  humor  
 
/me wonders if mrmobsoft, like Necralis is often the butt of jokes that he does not understand...
 
  by: hergs   11/30/2004 04:05 AM     
  Personally  
 
I used to own Gamecube, Sold it, now I own PS2, I love it. The controller is perfect for my taste. I have played Xbox, and, while it is good, all three systems have their own expertise.

Gamecube- Multiplayer Cartoon Based. (More of a console for smaller children)
PS2- Sports, The EA Sports series, and ESPN series, 989 sports only came close with MLB 05, all their other games sucked royaly.
Xbox- Shooters, RPGs, Like dude said, Halo(2), Fable, Theif (Saw review on X-Play), etc.

They are all very good at different things. My ratings would be..
Gamecube-3/5 No game on that is worth buying
PS2-4.5/5 Shooters could be better
Xbox-4.25/5 Needs a wider variety of sports games.
 
  by: fballer23   11/30/2004 04:18 AM     
  sport games  
 
i don't much care for sports games aside from playing the odd time one of my buddies brings a sports game over i never play them and haven't for the last 3 years ever paid to play a sports game other than racing if you include that.

i'm really not impressed with the quality of the wrestling games on either 3 system, they all need (with the possible except of backyard wrestling and any wrestling game release in the last 6 months or so) massive improvement, its mostlying in the handling. THQ made very well handle wrestling games for the nintendo 64, unfortunately the handling of wrestling games has degraded into nothing, last wrestling game i remember that handle as poorly as the wrestling games out now was WCW Nitro for the SNES, it handled so poorly i had it take back the store within a few minutes of play.

the biggest problem xbox had (not so much now) was lack of companies to make games for it, thats not so much a problem now, and seeing how xbox next is going to basically be a fully functioning computer it won't have that problem at all. i would imagine it would be backwards compatible, for those who don't know what i mean, this is what i mean:

able to play games from previous systems, or in this case windows versions, and hopefully for the xbox games out now.

however i haven't been following it that well.
 
  by: HAVOC666     11/30/2004 04:39 AM     
  @hergs  
 
BWA-HAHAHAHHA, THAT WAS GREAT! Also, i agree with you 100%. The new fastest supercomp in the world, which im sure you already know, is the prototype of blue gene\l, which runs at an incredible 70 teraflops. Final speed is expected to be around 360. So what they are saying, is that this processor, if u put together like 6 PS3's, it will be the equivilent of blue gene\l (prototype), which costs around 100 million. All i got to say is BULLSHIT! Personally, i want to know what Nintendo has up its sleeve. Believe it or not, Nintendo made more profit from the Gamecube than both the Xbox and PS2 COMBINED! This is because Nintendo knew that online gaming was so expensive, and didnt want to invest in something that they would be losing money on for years to come. Which Xbox and PS2 are still doing. Losing money. Go and do some research, youll see what im talking about. Nintendo made a smart move there.
 
  by: ih4xjoo   11/30/2004 04:48 AM     
  well...  
 
I use my xbox as a do-all. I put a 200gb hdd in it because my laptop only has a 60gb. Fun stuff.

Also: @Ih4xjoo,

http://shortnews.com/...
 
  by: erasedgod   11/30/2004 05:10 AM     
  my 2 cents  
 
IMO the PS2 controller is a lot easier to hold onto and control. I could only handle _trying_ to play Xbox for a few minutes but the controls felt so awkward. It's a possibility that had I played more I could have adjusted to them though. I haven't played any GC but the controller looks to be a bitch. I would rather use an N64 controller (which was a pain in the ass). Also I just have to add that -- although it is not a console -- the DS controls kinda suck because your fingers don't wrap around the L and R like they should.

It sounds like this article is a bunch of crap really. Pretty soon all that's going to be gained by the extra clock cycles and RAM is how much sloppier the codewriters can get w/o slowdown occuring, etc. It is the same story for a lot of PC games. The coders try to make people have their hardware fit the software instead of the other way around and finding ways around slowdown. At least with console developers they are forced to deal with what is available (until the next generation of consoles).
 
  by: treyjazz   11/30/2004 06:04 AM     
  Give me a break  
 
Games have gone down hill since PSX took gaming mainstream.... I sold my PS2 for an Xbox (Sony also hyped the PS2 to be something they KNEW it wasnt, ...theyre going it again)...what do i play on my Xbox? Classic Sega Genesis games, some arcade roms and a few masterpieces such as Otogi, Ninja Gaiden and Shenmue 2.....oh yeah...that little HALO 2 game too



Thank god for competition, 2 giants MS and Sony battling for our love can only be a good thing....oh and Nintendo trying to stay afloat... ;)
 
  by: shizn0   11/30/2004 06:10 AM     
  As for XBox controller  
 
There are two, the Big (love it or hate it) and the S controller (which is the same size as a Dual Shock controller).... i love the xbox controller, especially the duke for FPS (hands down the best) and fighting games, while on PS2 fighting games like SF were annoying to play because of the heavey attacks being mapped to the shoulder buttons


Ofcourse everything will take time to get used to...going from Segas controllers to PSone was a bit of a mind**** at the time...
 
  by: shizn0   11/30/2004 06:13 AM     
  Personally  
 
I hate the PS2 controllers. They just feel too light to me, like if I sneezed they would snap in my hand.

The xbox controllers are a beast. Seriously! I had an extra controller yesterday that I tried opening up with a screwdriver. Jeeeeeeeesus Microsoft REALLY didn't want anyone seeing how their controllers worked. As soon as I opened the case (which seemed to be glued to someting else) all the buttons flew across the room. Then the PCB is attatched in some god-awful way to the rest of the controller. There's no way your getting in hah.

The main reason I love the xbox I must admit is the Halo series. FPS & strategy games (Like red alert) are my favourite game types. Of course, strategy games haven't really touched consoles, apart from a few flops here and there. Halo, like it or not, you must admit that it was the first FPS to ever be implemented decently onto a console. Other shooters just don't feel right. Anyone ever tried sniping in TimeSplitters 2???? I swear to god it is IMPOSSIBLE!


Only problem I have with my xbox is as said above - I have an original xbox with a Thompson drive and it really struggles with playing newer multi-level DVD's
 
  by: daniel2508     11/30/2004 09:05 AM     
  @ZCT  
 
"One Word: GTA San Andreas"

..One word?
 
  by: f3nd3r   11/30/2004 10:24 AM     
  whoops...  
 
wasnt thinking straight.

But if were taqlking about DVD players, Sony asnt exactly buying plextors for the PS2
 
  by: Necralis   11/30/2004 12:04 PM     
  @f3nd3r  
 
Two words: Iron y
 
  by: ZCT     11/30/2004 08:04 PM     
  @Havoc  
 
Yeah, you are right. The Custom soundtracks are way cool. I just put everything from NWA to Jimmy Buffett on my xbox (I just had it replaced AGAIN, 4th one). The Tony Hawk games seem to support them, and that makes me happy. I just wish more games did.

Here the quick history of my Xbox's

1 Went to EB and bought a refurb, worked on every game I bought except for Superman: Man of Steel (Weird Graphical problem, like clipping). EB tested it and agreed and replaced it with another one.

2 Moved to LA, moved jacked it up (surprise)

3 replaced at EB with a new one (payed more, did not want another refurb after I learned about the shitty DVD-ROMs being used)

4. New one I just got about broke in less than a month, had it replaced.

That is where I am at, had to replace one controller already as well. EB used to have a great replacement contract on their units, but now they made it 1 time replacement only (was as much as needed for the length of the contract) also they used to replace controllers no questions asked, now the manager said they don't do that anymore (unless you return the whole system). Seems like Best Buy has the best contract I can find now. Got my PS2 there with a 2 year contract like EB's old one (anything happens to any part in the box they replace it for the whole 2 years, as many times as neccesary).

I am also swayed from EB by the fact that I was friends with the manager where I used to live, so he would return anything I wanted.

When the warrenty for my Xbox dies I am going to mod the hell out of it hehehe

Overall I like both systems, but I have about 60 titles for the Xbox and 20 for the PS2. So I think you know which systems I prefer. Originally I bought the PS2 for Final Fantasy games, cheaper titles (old Greatest Hit ones, and to replace my old ghetto PS1 sitting around). Just wish there was a better selection of RPG's on the Xbox, but they are finally getting some awesome ones out (can't wait for KOTR II). I would recommend Fable if you can get it cheap, very short from what I hear.

Now I just need a Gameboy DS to replace my SP (hoping the DS will also get Flash-ROMs like the SP has had for it)
 
  by: DrDuranDuran   11/30/2004 08:14 PM     
  Xbox really is better than Ps2  
 
For those of you who claim the Xbox controller is too big, you haven't played Xbox in years because they released a smaller controller not to mention you can buy even smaller Mad Catz controllers (don't ever buy Mad Catz!). The Xbox is simply a more powerful system. Every game that's on Ps2 and on Xbox, it's better on Xbox. Not a single game that's on both systems is better on Ps2. This is not bias. All the games are the exact same except Xbox has better graphics, better speed, less loading times, more storage space, and more often than not, new features included only on the Xbox version. The only pros to the Ps2, GTA's come out sooner and it has a multitude of great RPG's. Of course all you have to do is have some patience and you'll have a more improved version of GTA with better graphics, less loading time, etc..., than on the Ps2. So cons to Xbox...no good RPG's and no good Gran Turismo type racing games. This isn't to say there are no good racing games on Xbox, just none of the calibur of Gran Turismo. But you know what, Ps2 doesn't have DOA either so... Also, the Xbox along with Gamecube comes standard with four controller ports and has many more games made for four players. Sony was rediculously retarded for leaving this option out. After Super Bomberman and the multi-tap came out for the Super Nintendo, every console should have gone this way. Hell, even the Dreamcast had it right way back then. Dreamcast was such an awesome system. Anyways, as for the rest of the games on Ps2, there's a hell of a lot more of them than Xbox games, but they all suck. And the good ones have better versions on Xbox. Just compare Shinobi to Ninja Gaiden for an example. One last thing though and this is a side note about Fable. Maybe it's just me and I was spoiled by a game called Black & White, but I was sorely disappointed with Fable. As an RPG it was highly linear with lame extra stuff you could do like getting married and trading. The quests were very in order and there were hardly any side quests. The entire game took like eleven hours to beat and I didn't see anything new in the gameplay that I hadn't seen in other games. Everything in the game, including the damn voices, I've seen done much better in Black & White for the computer. I say shame on you Lionhead studios for hyping up a game you already made on the computer, except the computer game was way better. Huge one-hundred foot Mandrake's rule.
 
  by: Gnaglor     11/30/2004 08:39 PM     
  @Gnaglor  
 
Not exactly true

Need For Speed: High Stakes 2 was much better on the PS2. The game was finished by 2 different developers, one finished it for the PS2 and the other for the rest of the consoles and the PC. See reviews at http://www.gamespot.com and they will explains what was different and how the PS2 (even with worse graphics) beat out the rest.

For the most part tho, you are right. Games generally tend to be alot better overall on the Xbox.

I like the old big controller anyways, I can't stand the 'S' controller because of where they moved the black/white buttons.

Your also right about Mad Catz, their stuff is cheap to buy and doesn't hold up well (pay for what you get).
 
  by: DrDuranDuran   11/30/2004 08:48 PM     
  Both systems have their quirks but ..  
 
I still buy Playstation cause I can't live without my Squaresoft/Final Fantasy games. Xbox can't gloat that.
 
  by: Daev     11/30/2004 09:36 PM     
  Final fanstasy  
 
Seven was the best RPG, story wise, I've ever played, the only game to come close was suikoden.
8, was crap, the story dragged, the game had no secrets.
9, I got bored of(I still play final fantasy 7, i do not get bored unless the game is really bad)
10, I admit never played, supposed to be good.
 
  by: Necralis   11/30/2004 09:49 PM     
  @drduranduran  
 
"That is where I am at, had to replace one controller already as well. EB used to have a great replacement contract on their units, but now they made it 1 time replacement only (was as much as needed for the length of the contract) also they used to replace controllers no questions asked, now the manager said they don't do that anymore (unless you return the whole system). Seems like Best Buy has the best contract I can find now. Got my PS2 there with a 2 year contract like EB's old one (anything happens to any part in the box they replace it for the whole 2 years, as many times as neccesary).

I am also swayed from EB by the fact that I was friends with the manager where I used to live, so he would return anything I wanted.

When the warrenty for my Xbox dies I am going to mod the hell out of it hehehe

Overall I like both systems, but I have about 60 titles for the Xbox and 20 for the PS2. So I think you know which systems I prefer. Originally I bought the PS2 for Final Fantasy games, cheaper titles (old Greatest Hit ones, and to replace my old ghetto PS1 sitting around). Just wish there was a better selection of RPG's on the Xbox, but they are finally getting some awesome ones out (can't wait for KOTR II). I would recommend Fable if you can get it cheap, very short from what I hear.

Now I just need a Gameboy DS to replace my SP (hoping the DS will also get Flash-ROMs like the SP has had for it)"

i've never tried to mod my xbox, i'm in canada (as you probably knew) i actually bought my lastest controller at EB $24.99 for a madcatz controller +$3 for the 1 year extended warrenty, it break in one year i get it replaced no questions asked, then after that runs out theres the last 4 years of the manufacturers warrenty, which i don't care about. by time that warrenty runs out xbox next will have been out for 3 years...lol

i also don't by refurbished anything, and i tend to unless i'm getting a really good deal only buy quality products, or products i think are of good quality, not sure about the madcatz contoller but it saves me almost 50% of the price for a controller.
 
  by: HAVOC666     11/30/2004 10:33 PM     
  @drduranduran  
 
"I like the old big controller anyways, I can't stand the 'S' controller because of where they moved the black/white buttons."

oh i hear you there, i'm still getting use to it for halo 2 i perfer the grenade switching (black) and camo/flashlight (white) to be as close to the firing buttons as possible.

"Your also right about Mad Catz, their stuff is cheap to buy and doesn't hold up well (pay for what you get)."

well if my mad catz controller which is about a week old now lasts me until xbox next comes out i will be more than happy with what i got for $24.99, also its a good thing i got that extended warrenty...lol
 
  by: HAVOC666     11/30/2004 10:43 PM     
  Sucking your thumbs, clutching your blankets?  
 
Careful now with your playthings! You know how 'sand' gets in everything!
 
  by: Luhker     11/30/2004 10:47 PM     
  @Necralis  
 
Oh your totally right! 7 remains my personal favourite to this date. 8 was ... well let's forget about that stank. 9, well the story was okay .. but the ending was a pile of crap. X was good, you should play that one. X-2 was alright ... a little too girly though. And well I don't do MMORPG because I believe I should only pay for a game once, not every month ... so I still have never played XI.
 
  by: Daev     11/30/2004 10:48 PM     
  All hail FF VII  
 
For it is the god of all games. Bow down to it's mighty power and quake in your tiny boots. I want a remake!!!!!!
 
  by: daniel2508     11/30/2004 11:07 PM     
  @hergs  
 
I don't like personal off-topic slinging, and I try to avoid doing it because it's unconstructive and a waste of time, people who check out shortnews comments want to hear valid points of debate, and intellectual conversation, not cry babies bitching about frivilous subjects.

But with that said, I think I've got the last laugh anyway :) I mean, judging by your shitty vocab, you're clearly a republican.

but, just to clarify my primary point in my previous post was that it doesn't matter what kind of fancy numbers you throw at the public, it still ultimately has to be a good gaming console, and I think it's a matter of wait and see.

You won't know the true capabilities of the new console until you play a game on it, and even then it's limited by the developers, and their efforts.

You can have the most superior hardware in the world, but if you've got game developers for example, that are releasing the game across all platforms, like most do, you will most probabally not notice much difference. Obviously it depends on the developer, and how much work they go into optimising the game for that specific platform, but there aren't many games that get released on any gaming platform that use all the capabilities of that specific platform. All the specific rendering features and capabilities, all of the sound features etc. And from a gaming point of view, there is no arguement for games to use every capability, to max out the platform, because at the end of the day it doesn't matter how good a game looks or sounds, it the things such as story lines, and gameplay that are everything and make the real difference.
 
  by: mrmobsoft   12/01/2004 01:57 AM     
  @mrmobsoft  
 
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I don't like personal off-topic slinging, and I try to avoid doing it because it's unconstructive and a waste of time, people who check out shortnews comments want to hear valid points of debate, and intellectual conversation, not cry babies bitching about frivilous subjects.
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Then why did you reply?

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But with that said, I think I've got the last laugh anyway :) I mean, judging by your shitty vocab, you're clearly a republican.
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Wow, and I thought my vocabulary (see, I can spell the whole word) was one of my most prized assets. And lets not bring politics into this, but you couldn't be further from the truth unless you called me a Democrat.

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but, just to clarify my primary point in my previous post was that it doesn't matter what kind of fancy numbers you throw at the public, it still ultimately has to be a good gaming console, and I think it's a matter of wait and see.
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We're essentially arguing a similar point in different ways. You feel the numbers aren't important, I feel the numbers are bullshit.

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You won't know the true capabilities of the new console until you play a game on it, and even then it's limited by the developers, and their efforts.
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Especially when they throw nonsense numbers out there to make the masses think "wow, that sounds technical!" And you people eat it up and start arguing about controllers, and which Final Fantasy was better. (not just addressing you, mrmobsoft)

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You can have the most superior hardware in the world, but if you've got game developers for example, that are releasing the game across all platforms, like most do, you will most probabally not notice much difference.
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'most probabally' ... facinating.

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Obviously it depends on the developer, and how much work they go into optimising the game for that specific platform, but there aren't many games that get released on any gaming platform that use all the capabilities of that specific platform. All the specific rendering features and capabilities, all of the sound features etc. And from a gaming point of view, there is no arguement for games to use every capability, to max out the platform, because at the end of the day it doesn't matter how good a game looks or sounds, it the things such as story lines, and gameplay that are everything and make the real difference.
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Way to get off topic, Captain Obvious. I think at this point in my post, I would like to repost your first sentegraph (new word I made up to describe your grammarical organization).

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I don't like personal off-topic slinging, and I try to avoid doing it because it's unconstructive and a waste of time, people who check out shortnews comments want to hear valid points of debate, and intellectual conversation, not cry babies bitching about frivilous subjects.
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  by: hergs   12/01/2004 03:50 AM     
  that was why  
 
I heard 10 was good, because of 10 part 2,
Another FF7 would Rawk!.
 
  by: Necralis   12/01/2004 08:25 AM     
  About FF.. and @hergs  
 
I would agree, which FF is better was more of a side topic. You don't have to participate. But the reason it came about is because I would argue that the reason I don't buy an Xbox is for the GAMES. If Xbox had a deal with Squaresoft, my decision on my console may have been different. But as long as Squaresoft is remaining loyal to Playstation, well you know where my loyalties lie.
 
  by: Daev     12/01/2004 10:14 AM     
  If FFVII is remade  
 
I will personally kill every person that buys it.
 
  by: Fratley   12/01/2004 11:22 AM     
  Two birds with one stone  
 
Also: if you think FFVII is the best RPG ever or that there's no reason to own an Xbox, you must have totally missed the Panzer Dragoon boat.
 
  by: Fratley   12/01/2004 11:39 AM     
  think a bit, and stay on the topic  
 
this topic is simply on the released information on the ps3. NOT which console has the best controller or features. on the teraflops, 1 Teraflop is not equal to 1 trillion calculations per second. look something up for once. and keep in mind that you cannot compare a console and a pc due to the major fact that a console does not need to load an OS that takes up 100+ mb of ram. the ps1 had a 33mhz processor in it, yet look at driver or driver 2. not possible on a 368 chip in a computer. think before you bitch.
 
  by: kusokurae   12/01/2004 02:23 PM     
  Blah  
 
A lot of promises were made with PS2 in terms of power, but IMO it didn't deliver. PC games already looked superior at the time of the PS2 release.
And how much memory will this "beast" have?
It's rumoured that Xbox 2 will have 256MB and even that ain't enough. Sure push the polygons but levelsizes remain small and texture poor.
 
  by: Kaleid   12/01/2004 02:52 PM     
  @kusokurae  
 
Great points. You cannot think of PC specs and compare them to a console. The PS2 has around 32Mb of RAM. Try running some decent games on the PC with that.

This story is about a next generation console which promises to have a great CPU. Arguments about PS2 and XBox are irrelevant to discussions about next generation consoles. It is good for the entire market when a new system such as this is released.

But I guess it makes people feel good about themselves to beat their chests and say, "Look I did the research and I bought the best console. Look at me I'm so smart."

Not sure you are right about the teraflop thing though.
 
  by: ZCT     12/01/2004 03:21 PM     
  About FLOPS  
 
I must agree .. people shouldn't be debating this yet. We have yet to see a PS3 in operation yet. It seems that everyone is arguing over speculation.

And for those who are wondering ... just because it has "Terra" in it doesn't make it equal to your "Giga" PC. A FLOP is totally different than a Hertz. If you need more info on how they measure "FLOPS":

http://www.webopedia.com/...
 
  by: Daev     12/01/2004 03:34 PM     
  Superior Technology  
 
doesn't mean jackshit sometimes. Now, excuse me, I'm off to play my SNES roms.

(And Playstation produces more "filler" games than I've ever seen in a console, So Pfft)
 
  by: Dayron   12/01/2004 05:53 PM     
  More about FLOPS  
 
Unless they measure calculations differently between computers and consoles, which I'm 99% sure they don't, one trillion calculations is equal to one teraflop despite what you other people are saying. As for the guying comparing hertz and calculations per second....who said anything about hertz? Per the article, Sony is claiming they have a CPU which can run at 16 teraflops, almost half of the NEC Earth Simulator. What the problem you're all having is that the summary is kinda misleading, but not really. If you actually read the article you'll get this.

"The three firms claim that the Cell chip will be up to 10 times more powerful than existing processors.

When put inside powerful computer servers, the Cell consortium expects it to be capable of handling 16 trillion floating point operations, or calculations, every second."

The key words are WHEN PUT INSIDE POWERFUL SERVER COMPUTERS. As in you have thousands of servers linked togethers, each with a Cell processor, much like IBM's Blue Gene/L supercomputer. Although I suspect you could use less Cell processor's to achieve the same calculations per second because they're "ten times faster than current processors".
 
  by: Gnaglor     12/01/2004 07:16 PM     
  a Pocket Calculator is 10 flops  
 
Computing devices exhibit an enormous range of performance levels in floating-point applications. Thus it makes sense to introduce larger units than the flops; the standard SI decimal prefixes are used for this purpose. For example, a cheap but modern desktop computer can make billions of floating point operations per second, so its performance is in the range of a few gigaflops (109 flops).

Today's most powerful supercomputers have speeds measured in teraflops (1012 flops). The fastest computer in world as of November 5, 2004 is the IBM Blue Gene supercomputer, measuring 70.72 teraflops. This supercomputer is a prototype of the Blue Gene/L machine IBM is building for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California which will have a peak speed of 360 teraflops, and is due to be completed in 2005.

Pocket calculators are at the other end of the performance spectrum. Any response time below 0.1 second is experienced as 'instantaneous' by a human operator. Because it is nonsensical to create a faster calculator, one may conclude that a pocket calculator performs at about 10 flops.

Of course, humans are even worse floating-point processors. If it takes a person a quarter of an hour to carry out a pencil-and-paper long division with 10 significant digits, that person would be calculating in the milliflops range.
http://en.wikipedia.org/...
 
  by: tiggyfiggy   12/03/2004 01:39 PM     
  @tiggyfiggy  
 
Before I visited the link from the post I was wondering about your math... The superscript didn't hold. ;)
 
  by: treyjazz   12/03/2004 06:25 PM     
  What whos talking??  
 
I didn't write any of that, its all on wikipedia thats why i put the link there asuming people would click on it and go, oh loook thats where he got it from. But oh well if its wrong go the wikipedia and edit it
 
  by: tiggyfiggy   12/04/2004 03:06 PM     
  So basically...  
 
... this system will only run fast if two conditions apply:

1 - You have a broadband connection capable of sending info fast enough to use other's PS3's for power
2 - Other people are also using their PS3's, or at least have them "online"

This is a recipe for disaster, and if Sony thinks they can have a super-powerful console using distributed computing, I think they are insane. What happens if you lose your net connection? Or if you want to dust off your PS3 after it sits in the closet for 10 years? Does it run crappy when it can't connect to others? I think that Sony might be following a pretty stupid path in determining this to be the best and cheapest way to give their console extreme power.
 
  by: fredfredrickson   12/06/2004 10:36 AM     
 
 
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