Parents Complain - Child Of Gay Couple Admitted To School
Some parents have complained to the Roman Catholic diocese over the admittance of a boy whose parents are openly gay to a private school in Costa Mesa, California
The group demanded the school should adhere directly to church doctrine. The school fired back saying that if they were to ban them, they would have to ban those who parents had abortions, had divorces, or used birth control.
Some parents want to forward the issue to the Vatican, others have threatened to pull their children out of the school. Others say that this is a precedent for changing the church by the gay community.
bought lifetime passes on the titanic. then again, why a gay couple would send their kids to a catholic school is a whole issue in itself, but i guess they should expect this kind of bullshit. conservative christians don't want their kids to know that children of a gay couple are just like other kids. it's easier to demonize people when you don't have to encounter them. otherwise, you run the risk of seeing that they're just like you.
it is just sad that parents are this narrow minded. The kids are going to have enough problems as it is. They dont deserve it and neither do the parents. I wish people would get a life and let people do whatever they want.
what peoples problem here is. the parents are paying for a orivate school, and they are never cheep. if the parents are payibg for a certian type of education, thats what they deserve. the child that must have been adopted by the gay couple has done no wrong, but private schools do have the right to discriminate, or they would be public schools that just charge alot. the school should have if it were a religous institution not accepted the child, because it goes against their religous morals. and as to not accepting kids whose parents use birth controll, or have abortions, ect the difference is it is done in private, and most people don't know about it, so it is not public, so the school can say that t didn't know, and suspicion is different then knowing, but an openly gay couple are not hiding anything, so it is different.
<stepping in to asbestos suit> ok, now flame away...
A) The school is a private school and has the right to discriminate. The paying parents have a say in this. B) Homosexuality isn't right, but that is my personal belief, although I adhere to this myself I don't enforce it on anyone else, nor do I judge them. C) The parents are homosexual. This does NOT MEAN the child is such. D) Homosexuality is a reality. What are the other parents trying to achieve except hurt the child and couple in question? They can't honestly believe that they will somehow protect their children by doing this...
This kind of shit really makes me dislike religious people. So quick to judge, to cast stones etc. Wasn't Jesus some guy that spent time with tax collectors, prostitutes, lepers and various other of societies misfits? Aren't Christians supposed to follow the teachings of Christ?
Let us remember these are innocent children just the same as all the others. Their legal guardians happen to be gay. Does this make the children gay? Of course not. Does this make the children immoral, hellbound or evil? No. They are just children, and if Christians are to be believed they are God's children, created by God in His image. What right to these bigoted bastards have to discriminate in this way? I guess they would be happier for a 'straight' priest to molest the kids instead.
You make a good post, then go and ruin it by finishing with unsubstantiated and probably almost slanderous accusations.
Unlike many christian denominations, Catholic churches are all part of the same organisation, and are represented by a heirachy of bishops, deacons and priests from the pope down. Catholic schools, under the supervision and support of the Catholic church are bound to act within the constraint of Catholic doctrine.
The parents obviously have a strong and - within the domain of Catholicism - legitimate complaint against the school, in that nothing that the church does should condone homosexuality. The school is claiming this is hypocritical, as it should apply to all - abortions, divorces and birth control - if it applies to any.
The ball is now in the parents' court - are they willing to press for equality on the issues and have all children comming from those families expelled, or will they drop the complaint.
Here's an opportunity for these straight parents..
Which is right under their nose but they don't realise it. Dumbasses! They can teach the kid that homosexuality is wrong and therefore make that kid into a heterosexual upon growing up.
Who said that the boy was gay? Don't automatically assume that because a person grows up with gay parents that it means they will be gay too. Do you have any proof? And yes let's teach the boy what evil monsters his parents are because as we know only gay people are sinners.
" 'The boys are being used as pawns by these men to further their agenda,' said Monica Sii, who has four children at the school." I know if I was gay, I'd adopt kids... that way I can recruit people.
"If Catholic beliefs were strictly adhered to, then children whose parents divorced, used birth control or married outside the church would also have to be banned." Good, do it then. It's too bad we didn't get a response from some of the parents about that statement.
"why a gay couple would send their kids to a catholic school is a whole issue in itself"
hmmm, I guess it didnt come to your mind that gay people CAN BE RELIGIOUS? Just because he's gay doesnt mean hes a satan follower etc. etc...you guys in the states really need to get over this stuff. Don't wonder why everything is wrong with your country...i'd say half of it is cause of the church...the other half has got to be the bush adm.
We live in the 21st century...OPEN YOUR EYES! LET THEM BE!!!
pas: It's a catholic school, and by catholic doctrine homosexuals are an abomination. If you want to be homosexual, thats your right, but that also means you cant expect catholic schools to accomodate you. Likewise with many other christian denominations.
catholicism is about dogma. church doctrine is very anti-homosexual, and will do everything it can to distance itself from them. now, homosexuals are accepted with open arms into other churches, but with the way the bible condemns homosexuality, it's unrealistic for a homosexual to expect the same treatment from the catholic church. plus, the school is supported by the money of the congregation. as anti-discrimination as i am, i think the gay parents are trying to milk a tiger.
that none of the teachers or administrators at the school are gay. ha ha. after all, it is a catholic school and everyone knows that they are perfect, right?
(ducks rocks being thrown at him by lauriesman)
Seriously, the Church is falling apart as it is-- they are losing members (except in poor countries like Africa) and have really had the light shone upon the nefarious bedroom habits of their people of cloth.... the Church is out (so to speak). ha. that was a bad pun.
"" 'The boys are being used as pawns by these men to further their agenda,' said Monica Sii, who has four children at the school." I know if I was gay, I'd adopt kids... that way I can recruit people."
When I use the word 'ignorance', this is the type of remark that comes to mind. Seriously, that's one of the most ignorant things I have heard in a long time.
lauriesman - I agree with your post. When I saw you had posted I thought, "Oh boy, here we go again," but I guess I was wrong. :-)
I'm referring to that quote that I quoted. Hmm, I can see how you thought I was referring to you. I was referring to what that guy said that you quoted.
sexual bigots will all be dead in a hundred years--maybe two hundred? How long will it take for the narrow minds to widen? If we don't love one another, as Jesus taught, then there will be no mankind left.
"The boys are being used as pawns by these men to further their agenda," said Monica Sii, who has four children at the school. or "saying their presence is part of a larger effort by the gay community to change the church. "
Which is the lesser evil, the "Gay Agenda" or the "Catholic Agenda"?
Ask the Pope about Matthew 23:9 ( "Call no one on earth your father; you have but one Father in heaven." ) while you are at the Vatican about the boy's parents.
Only a tiny minority of the general population approves of non-heterosexual unions. Not even a majority of non-heterosexuals approve of them.
Furthermore, in every case where the matter was presented to the US electorate in 2004, non-heterosexual unions were rejected. Yet only hardcore perverts demand the approval of deleterious and sterile activities. They are part of the culture of death.
What? Where have you heard that not all of the gay partners are for marriage or unions? You must know a lot of gay people that tell you this? BTW the (in)Constitutional bans that were voted for on the ballots stated 'marriages' and not 'civil unions'... at least on my ballot.
I hear there is a large outbreak of GAY in San Francisco, the navy, and possibly the airforce :(.
The parents of the gay child should claim that they are heathens, but are desperately trying to raise a pure catholic boy.
In the end though, it is a private institution so if enough people complain they always have to address it, its a business, lose one customer or a few.
that the reporting was quite generous toward the parents. I have a hard time believing that the given quotes were the dumbest the parents had to offer.
pull their child out that school anyways. The poor kid is going to be isolated, made fun of, and probably have their butt kicked. And for what? So that some selfish Gay parents can have their way?
"You make a good post, then go and ruin it by finishing with unsubstantiated and probably almost slanderous accusations."
My point was that Catholics seem to have caught a lot of bad press over the years for their treatment of children. There has been widespread abuse both sexual and physical. It is hard to point to any other religion that has been so badly tainted by such scandle. What's worse is even when caught there is often a cover up. I don't see how making a point about a fact that has been reported countless times in the news could be considered, "unsubstantiated."
My deeper point was that Catholics have a lot of problems with widespread abuse but instead of worrying about that they are concerned that some straight 'normal' boys are descriminated against bescause their parents are gay. It is disgusting.
Ok, i'm totally on the parents side, it would be different if the parents wanted to park their asses in the church [it is a private institution after all], but if the kid wants to go, i don't really see the problem... Just because the other members want to be asshats, their kid shouldn’t be denied.
On the other hand, if i were one of the parents, his ass wouldn't go near that damn church. Just like if i was a Black man, and adopted a white child, and he wanted to go to a clan meeting. I'd be like "F**k Dat'". Because the first time he'd call me a 'Dirty Sodomite', he'll know what hell looks like; he won't need to go back, he'd be Jesus' best buddy from then on.
But, in addition to being gay, i'm also agnostic; so i have no comprehension why they would want him to go in the first place. It would make me worry that he was actually buying that shit.
Oh, and someone said something to the extent that there might be homosexuals that are religious. Yea, there is quite a few; I’m not, but I know a couple, and one I know actually goes every Sunday, the others might too, but I’m sure that he does.
Oh, and I hate to admit this, but I use to be one of those guys.. However, I grew up, and seen the crap that they were saying; i.e. that I’m sinful and crap. Which is the biggest lie of them all; which made me question the whole deal.
So bottom line, they should just STFU, until the kid declared that he likes the Bologna Pony. And if he does like the Bologna Pony, which is still a 10% chance -like everyone else-, I hope before he declares it the church will realize that their heads are up their asses, which makes them sodomites too. And the parents should schedule a cat scan, because that environment of hate, will do more damage, then god could do good.
And if they do decide to expel him, they should fallow through with getting rid of all those little bastards whose parents are divorced, used birth control, or married outside of the church.
I think the whole problem here is the fact that the kids are not gay. They are just normal kids whose guardians happen to be gay. If you let this slide, what are we going to do next? Would we allow a school to descriminate against white children because their adoptive parents are black? Do we refuse to allow children into a school because their dad is in jail? Why are these kids being descriminated against because of the sexual orientation of their parents?
This is one of the few times I will incorporate religion and homosexuality, because the premise here is a Catholic institution. To begin with, I went to a Catholic grade school and High School, which cost tens of thousands of dollars. But it was well worth the money because the public school system in this country is in shambles. Secondly, going by the rational of the parents lodging this complaint I too should have been denied a Catholic education seeing as how my parents were never married, my mother used birth control, and I engaged in pre-marital sex. But my schools did not deny me my education and they knew full well of these things (they knew about me having pre-marital sex because we had to talk about it in our health class). The schools accepted everyone and did everything they could to ensure that everyone who truly wanted a Catholic education got one regardless of what "abominations" these people were. We even had students whose parents were openly gay, and the school accepted them. Why would they do this when it is such a blatant challange to established church doctrine? Because they decided the the established doctrine of not judging people took precident. Jesus associated with and even shared meals with tax collectors, prostitutes, lepers, and all sorts of socially shunned people in his day. His message was one of acceptance, not condemnation. The school has every right to deny this child an education at their institution, however I believe that it would be a grave mistake, and would be completely against the spirit of Catholicism in the meaning of both Catholicism (big letter C) and catholicism (little letter c). Because catholicism (small c) means "universal," and Christianity is a catholic (little c) religion in that it accepts everyone, even with what the Church may consider faults or failures. And yes gay people can be religious, yes gay people can be moral, and yes since I am a Catholic I believe in Heaven and I believe homosexuals can enter Heaven. I also believe that some heterosexuals are immoral. Just being straight doesn't mean you are perfect, and just being gay doesn't mean you're immoral.
