Iraqi Prisoner Abuse Leader Found Guilty by US Military Court

Maybe he gets the same treatment those fifteen years... Now that he has been found guilty, can he still prove in court that he was following orders? Well, judging from his violent behaviour in the past not. But it's a good thing to see the US have these people court-martialized. And now open up Guantanamo Bay! Graner and England share a child? No need to ask where it has been made. That Womack guy is a utter fool.

There were orders to allow abuse (see news about gonzales and the memos relating to interrogation techniques)

And what's worse... private companies involved in the abuse (and named in military reports for it!!) are getting their contracts re-instated by the Pentagon for $16million and $164million.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk,
"Compiled from material already in the public domain and other material acquired under the US Freedom of Information Act, it documents the chilling progress in the Bush administration's legal advice that allowed it to redefine the meaning of torture so much that it felt able to use interrogation techniques that amounted to the most serious physical abuse.

In one memo, Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee advises the legal counsel to the president, Alberto Gonza les, that 'physical pain amounting to torture must be equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function or even death'."

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Maybe the psychological sickness started a little higher up than the reservists at the Halliburton-built Abu Ghraib??? - Somewhere within government perhaps?!

I'm not going to argue whether or not he's a scapegoat, however:

"...'physical pain amounting to torture must be equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function or even death'."

This isn't saying that if you want to question someone, injure them to the point of organ failure. It's saying that it isn't considered "torture" unless it is an extreme amount of pain. Stuff like that has to be spelled out otherwise some soldier would get charged every time a detainee stubbed his toe.

Torture can be less than the pain attributed to "torture" in that paragraph.

If I break someone's nose, smash their teeth out, urinate in their eyes then lock them in a freezer in a "stress position" for 24 hours, I'd probably still just be this side of the line of their definition of "torture". - Considering a lot of these prisoners have no evidence against them and have no right to a trial... it's a bit screwed up to say the least.

They're liberal in the definition of what is not torture and conservative about what is defined as torture... which... leads to troops believing their commanders are giving them carte blanch to do what they've done.

And for anyone who says this is just humiliation (not you erasedgod.. just some others who are in denial that any of this is happening!!)... Should check out Graner's posing picture with the dead Iraqi. - of course, they won't have seen those on corporate owner network news (the naked human pyramid and the leashed prisoner are the main ones the networks are allowing you to see) because people like Murdoch and the Infomedia network (ABC, CBS, CNN, etc) would be penalized for it!! - And for those thinking the AP would report it... the AP would also be penalized, denied direct access to tabulating machines in US elections in future, denied embedding of reporters in Iraq and many other 'favours' besides. (but that's a whole other story!!)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk,

Why don't some of you think for yourselves?
LOOK AT THE PHOTOS

Take one look at this guy in the photos ...smiling, looks pretty relaxed to me.

Ask yourself ... does he look like he's in a rush to get these photos? Like "quick let's do it before some official comes along and catches us"???
So what’s my point …if they look comfortable with what they are doing it’s because they have permission (or orders to do so)
The whole operation looks well planned out to me and anyone who reads into the positions these prisoners are in can spot standard torture positions and tactics used by trained torturers…Israel has a handbook for this which they give to their troops as does America (don’t even bother asking me to back this up, do the work yourself and look up the manuals from the Escuela de L’Americas) ... do you think these guys "made it all up themselves" or were they shown how???

The torture in the photos has been adapted to the local settings as well to make it particularly offensive for Arab cultures, don’t get me wrong but your average G.I. doesn’t look like an expert in Arab cultures to me . Someone showed them what to do …..

Hence Scapegoat