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04/23/2005 04:31 AM ID: 47635 Permalink   

Two Kindergarten Boys Caught Having Oral Sex at School

 

Harlingen, Texas - Parents of children attending Emiliano Zapata Elementary School in the La Joya School District were shocked to learn that two six-year-old boys were caught performing oral sex on each other at school.

According to a police report, the incident occurred on April 1st when the boys were caught in the act in the restroom. The boys were caught by a fellow classmate who happened to walk in.

The student told his parents, who in turn contacted school officials. A police investigation was then launched. However, no action will be taken due to the children's ages. Zapata Elementary's restroom polices have also undergone some changes.

 
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  The police...  
 
need to find out which adults taught them how to do this. This sounds like they are victims of sexual abuse at home or somewhere else.
 
  by: lurker     04/23/2005 04:39 AM     
  Because...  
 
Perhaps they have been watching their parent's "Bridget the Midget" videos.
 
  by: TheReporter     04/23/2005 04:45 AM     
  That's true, too....  
 
They could've seen videos or found it on the internet unsupervised, but I think DCF should investigate, don't you think?
 
  by: lurker     04/23/2005 04:52 AM     
  @TheReporter  
 
"two sex-year-old boys were caught" not sure if this was intended... LoL
 
  by: TheChanPerv   04/23/2005 05:00 AM     
  also @TheReporter  
 
That is one awesome midget!!!
 
  by: TheChanPerv   04/23/2005 05:01 AM     
  Well....  
 
There's our good tax money at work.. Let's get the school in better shape .. But not worry about where the child learned this behavior... Coz you know.. kids will be kids.. Gawd.. Is there no morality left in the world??
 
  by: Tangz   04/23/2005 05:22 AM     
  Edit This - Sex Year Old Boys? Ugh...  
 
First paragraph last sentence, please change that...
thanks.
 
  by: razzthefrog     04/23/2005 05:29 AM     
  Changed sex to six...LOL  
 
"Child Protective Services was also notified about the incident."
I see where they were notified per the source.
 
  by: lurker     04/23/2005 05:31 AM     
  disturbing, but not surprising  
 
Most people don't like to admit to the reality of childhood sexuality, but it does exist, nonetheless. They still should see a counselor to determine whether they learned this from an adult or if they happened to stumble across it themselves.
 
  by: pariahpoet   04/23/2005 05:45 AM     
  knobfest????  
 
ROTFL!!!
"Children are now monitored when they go to the bathroom. If at all possible, students are escorted by a teacher and if not, coaches randomly visit the restrooms."

Yeah isn't that what every Priest or pedophile wants...
 
  by: emp3r0r     04/23/2005 05:49 AM     
  The Parents will be Investigated  
 
Oh there's no doubt that the kids learned this from watching something they should have not seen either on the Internet or TV or Child Abuse
 
  by: NewsFlashoOo     04/23/2005 06:17 AM     
  Or it could be...  
 
That they were just curious. Some young kids actually DO have innocence left in them, and are naturally curious about their bodies...


...either that, or they've been looking at gay porn on the internet. EITHER WAY. XP
 
  by: Spiffy   04/23/2005 06:40 PM     
  The parents should be investigated  
 
I'm not one to blame parents when kids commit a crime, but where did these boys learn this? Obviously they watched it on TV or even watched their parents!
 
  by: clk630   04/24/2005 06:47 AM     
  ?!  
 
You call this news? Who wants to read this crap? Get some sophistication, no one wants to read about the anomalies of the human race.
 
  by: pseudotoxic   04/24/2005 03:46 PM     
  @Pseudotoxic  
 
Well Pseudotoxic
We wish that this story was not real but unfortunelty this
is a honest real official News Story
Sometimes i dont like what i read but there is positive story's also and just think of what th Parents Think of these kids.
 
  by: NewsFlashoOo     04/24/2005 09:18 PM     
  @ pseudotoxic  
 
I can see by the numerous stories you've posted that you're an expert on news. Don't like it? Try submitting your own contribution. Otherwise, shut up.
 
  by: TheReporter     04/24/2005 09:44 PM     
  @TheReporter  
 
I only come to view news, not to share it. Most of the stories here are respectable and interesting, but there is always a sexual story involving kids, what's the deal? If you look at the BBC news site, or even CNN, you'll find no stories of this kind. Y'know why? People don't want to see it. Do you think many people want to see the words "kindergarten" and "********s" in the same sentence, ever? I know I sure don't. Just a tip: leave what's in the gutter in the gutter.
 
  by: pseudotoxic   04/24/2005 10:18 PM     
  @Pseudotoxic  
 
Reason why you never see those kind of words on CNN is because CNN Is
Christian Network News
 
  by: NewsFlashoOo     04/24/2005 10:29 PM     
  @NewsFlashoOo  
 
The type of news being discussed is not present on the Cable News Network for reasons already stated.
 
  by: pseudotoxic   04/24/2005 10:52 PM     
  This is offensive.  
 
I am offended by the intentional use of the words '*******' in the headline and I think thereporter should be reprimanded for creating a sensationalistic headline and using offensive language.

There are hundreds of other ways to describe this type of activity, as uncomfortable as it is to discuss in this situation.
 
  by: theironboard     04/24/2005 11:24 PM     
  @Pseudotoxic + The IronBoard  
 
Sorry Pseudotoxic i got that confused with somethig else.

TheIronBoard
You should know why he named it that way you have been longer than me, look at how many people clicked here to read like over 3000 in a very short amount of Time.
 
  by: NewsFlashoOo     04/24/2005 11:33 PM     
  @newsflashoo  
 
I know exactly why he did it.

Why the other ChannelCops aren't blocking it or editing it is also another issue...
 
  by: theironboard     04/24/2005 11:38 PM     
  Ok  
 
Issues made in comments here have now been addressed. I'll post this link http://www.shortnews.com/... to another forum where theironboard brought it to our attention.

But I'll also add here, if you have an issue with something on this site, IM the details to one of the admins, Lois_Lane, Boolie, or myself with the details of what you find offensive, and to make deailing with it quicker and easier, a URL link to the offending news/comment.
 
  by: XeXo     04/25/2005 12:09 AM     
  Happy?  
 
It says "Oral Sex" now. Gee, doesn't that make it so much less disgusting? As if there's any difference in the image that comes to your mind when reading it. <shakes head>
 
  by: TheReporter     04/25/2005 03:14 AM     
  @TheReporter  
 
I, for one, am not happy. This piece of news is tasteless and should be removed.
 
  by: pseudotoxic   04/25/2005 03:20 AM     
  @ pseudotoxic  
 
News is not always pleasant. In fact, it is sometimes quite tasteless. Perhaps reality isn't your cup of tea since it is so hard on your delicate sensabilities.
 
  by: TheReporter     04/25/2005 03:34 AM     
  @Xexo  
 
I did contact someone about this and waited to see if they would reply. There was no response until I made a bigger stink. Sorry, but that's the truth.

If you are going to maintain standards, maintain them.... don't label me as one thing and let other 'offences' slip by.

That's my point.
 
  by: theironboard     04/25/2005 06:33 AM     
  @theironboard  
 
Then IM me who of the three site admins you contacted so I can speak with them.
 
  by: XeXo     04/25/2005 11:04 AM     
  Why do we easily ignore  
 
Usually the main reasons you won't hear about this on CNN or some other high ranking news place is because noone wants to admit these things happen. Its more ignorance on society's part, and thus it seems some of the people hat post most of these comments seem to belong in that category. This article could be offending or just pointless, but its something that people should know that is going on. I could sit here here and probably come up with a few good reasons why this should be known, but I won't waste my time since it would be just ignored or bashed anyways.
 
  by: the_shadow   04/25/2005 05:00 PM     
  @ the_shadow  
 
Because as you've stated, much of the population is ignorant. If something is in bad taste, they simply choose to play like it doesn't exist. The world is full of them. They're commonly referred to as morons.
 
  by: TheReporter     04/25/2005 05:29 PM     
  @TheReporter  
 
You think it's moronic to have good taste, and that it's ignorant to not want to see this kind of news? We are definitely aware of mentally defective people, but we don't want their idiosyncrasies to be on the news; it's disgusting and trivial. Anyway, I'll be sure to check the news at CNN.com in future, they cater for those with intelligence quotients of 80 and above.
 
  by: pseudotoxic   04/25/2005 05:53 PM     
  @ pseudotoxic  
 
CNN would definitely be a good place for you. This obviously isn't. I'm sure that myself as well as many others look forward to your speedy depature to mainstream news sites.
 
  by: TheReporter     04/25/2005 06:21 PM     
  This is an 'all-ages' website....  
 
... the original shock-and-awe headline and the deviation from the original story in choice of words, which DOES make a difference in the impression it makes on people, TheReporter.

Haha. As I am writing this, Eric Idle's FCC song just started playing in my iTunes... (it's a free upload at http://www.pythonline.com by the way.) It sort of sums life here on SN so nicely.

 
  by: theironboard     04/25/2005 08:55 PM     
  Ahh Mainstream news  
 
Yes, the BEST place to hear about all the selective news that society wants you to only know. Where most brainwashing techniques take place to make you see their opinions only.. Such a great country it is....
 
  by: the_Shadow   04/27/2005 12:25 AM     
  all ages website  
 
Yes this is an all age’s website and I believe that stories like this should be seen by all ages.

Like someone else mentioned ... sometimes this is just as it looks ... two boys exploring their bodies and there is nothing wrong with that as long as they were both willing and one didn’t force the other. Ignoring it won’t make it go away ... it just hurts the kids who have these feelings and desires because they don’t understand that others also feel this way ... it can make a child feel very alone no matter how many people around him love him. You never know what a child thinks or how they are ‘developing’.

Society seems to have no problem accepting a 6 year old that has an advanced development in intelligence… they call him a genius. Society has no problem accepting a 6 year old with extreme musical talent ... they call him a prodigy. Heaven for bid … a boy develops emotionally or sexually in a manor more advanced than average… people automatically think … molestation or abuse… there is no name for it … there is no acceptance for it. The human race is evolving… who are we to say that it isn’t in the nature of things that sexuality is becoming more noticeable and more desirable at a younger age. Before all you Child Advocates jump all over TV, media, music or video games… I talk from experience. I know what a boy is capable of and if they want to learn about something… they will learn whether someone teaches them or they have to figure it out themselves. 30 years ago we didn’t even have video games and the media wasn’t anything like it is today yet still there was a young boy who was interested and chose to learn. Unfortunately, he bought into society’s lies and thought he wasn’t supposed to be thinking about that stuff and it caused the destruction of his life and almost his death before he turned 9.
 
  by: orionstoy   04/28/2005 07:49 PM     
  @orionstoy, pseudotoxic  
 
Orionstoy: While this might be an issue of sexual exploration in the case of 16 or even 13 year olds, at six this is likely more an issue of the aforementioned unsavory situations (molestation, unsupervised TV/internet use). Of course, kids have been playing doctor forever, and one can write this off as such innocent play, but I for one would not want anyone to do so before investigating this for the childrens' sake.

Pseudotoxic: News is news, and its function is to report real world happenings of significance, not to be sorted and censored like entertainment. This story has significance, in that it may say something about the state of our society or be a clue to a heinous criminal act - reasons which often lead to coverage. If it offends your delicate sensibilities, you either ought to avoid news or grow a thicker skin. Reality, in general, is not a family-friendly place, and ignoring real-world happenings in order to insulate yourself does nothing for its problems.
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     04/28/2005 08:19 PM     
  abuse shouldnt be looked at first  
 
I'm sorry to disagree... but that is the problem today ... everyone thinks it’s not possible for it to just be "fun". If you first look at it as abuse and your questions are directed to the child that way... it will be abuse because the child will find it easier to claim abuse than admit their desires (trust me on this one... I do know) ... treat it as experimentation first.... talk to the boys ... and if you do that and it is abuse ... it will come out. If it wasn’t abuse and you make the child feel it is "safer" for him to say he was abused ... he will say he was abused to make you feel better ... and then some innocent person will be charged and that persons life may be destroyed. Then you can talk about child abuse because that child would 'at that moment' be abused knowing he destroyed someone’s life just to protect his own (as society makes him feel) perversions.

I started young. No abuse. No internet when I was young. Yeah porn mags helped me get my knowledge but the interest was there long before that. So ... in my case ... who should you blame ... the boys who beat me and threw my hat into a dumpster (garbage can) ... or the person who threw out the magazines ... how about the garbage men for not emptying the dumpster fast enough... or do you blame me for having emotions and feelings that I couldn’t change or rid myself of no matter how hard I tried?

In a situation like this article ... you shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that the boys were molested because there isn’t anything that indicates it. Start with looking at it as experimentation first and see where it pans out.

I’m sure the whole school knows now…
If it was just fun… the involvement with the police and school has abused these boys
If it was abuse… then the way it was handled just further abused them.
Either way the boys are suffering and that is the saddest part.
 
  by: orionstoy   04/28/2005 08:51 PM     
  @orionstoy  
 
"I'm sorry to disagree... but that is the problem today ... everyone thinks it’s not possible for it to just be "fun". If you first look at it as abuse and your questions are directed to the child that way... it will be abuse because the child will find it easier to claim abuse than admit their desires (trust me on this one... I do know) ... treat it as experimentation first.... talk to the boys ... and if you do that and it is abuse ... it will come out. If it wasn’t abuse and you make the child feel it is "safer" for him to say he was abused ... he will say he was abused to make you feel better ... and then some innocent person will be charged and that persons life may be destroyed. Then you can talk about child abuse because that child would 'at that moment' be abused knowing he destroyed someone’s life just to protect his own (as society makes him feel) perversions."

This is not about the particular acts performed being of a homosexual nature, but that sex acts were performed at all. I remind you again, these children are 6 years old. Again, even if they were preteens, exploration would be a valid possibility. Generally, children (hetero or homosexual) do not begin experimenting in kindergarten. The sex drive is not yet developing at that age, which prompts the question of where these boys picked up such behaviors - this is a time when children learn, so where did they learn this? Two six year olds kissing is one thing, this is something else entirely. Obviously in investigating, people should not be asking leading questions, but explicit sexual behavior at that age is a warning flag for abuse as I'm willing to wager that any child psychologist will tell you.

"I started young. No abuse. No internet when I was young. Yeah porn mags helped me get my knowledge but the interest was there long before that. So ... in my case ... who should you blame ... the boys who beat me and threw my hat into a dumpster (garbage can) ... or the person who threw out the magazines ... how about the garbage men for not emptying the dumpster fast enough... or do you blame me for having emotions and feelings that I couldn’t change or rid myself of no matter how hard I tried?"

Hah! Spare me the "You don't understand" arguments and insinuations of homophobia - I'm bisexual. Once again, were you six when you started these things? Kids can have all kinds of feelings when they're young, so of course, interest in one's preferred gender is likely among them in a budding form. Curiosity does occur, such as playing doctor, as I mentioned. Explicit sex acts, however, are not so common.

"In a situation like this article ... you shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that the boys were molested because there isn’t anything that indicates it. Start with looking at it as experimentation first and see where it pans out."

Once again, explicitly sexual behavior at such a young age is, itself, an indicator of abuse. Thusly, the very subject here is the reason to suspect it.

"I’m sure the whole school knows now…
If it was just fun… the involvement with the police and school has abused these boys
If it was abuse… then the way it was handled just further abused them.
Either way the boys are suffering and that is the saddest part."

Indeed, but it would be a massive oversight by the police to not scout out any other abuse in these boys' lives. At six years old, do you honestly think these children just came up with the intricacies of oral sex?
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     04/28/2005 10:00 PM     
  @orionstoy  
 
I was referring to the content of the article reproduced here for SN as being directly influenced by sensationalism.
 
  by: theironboard     04/28/2005 10:16 PM     
  @moment of clarity  
 
"Once again, were you six when you started these things? Kids can have all kinds of feelings when they're young, so of course, interest in one's preferred gender is likely among them in a budding form. Curiosity does occur, such as playing doctor, as I mentioned. Explicit sex acts, however, are not so common."

see there it is .. you said it twice "not so common" ... was this a common act ... are all the 6 year olds in this school doing this ... no .. it was an isolated event. "not so common" leaves it open to say ... there is a possibility. You have to keep that in mind ... you must have had it in mind when you wrote it or you would have put "impossible"

And yes, by the time I was 6 I had done much more than what these boys did. And by the time I was 7 I realized that the girl I was with wasn’t who I wanted to be with. I was 7 before I did what these boys did. Yes it's "not so common" but it does happen.

I don’t think I will go too much further here because it is upsetting me and if I continue I will probably get a warning from the SN police. Just remember closed minds can kill children just as easily as a gun.
 
  by: orionstoy   04/29/2005 12:29 AM     
  @orionstoy  
 
"'Once again, were you six when you started these things? Kids can have all kinds of feelings when they're young, so of course, interest in one's preferred gender is likely among them in a budding form. Curiosity does occur, such as playing doctor, as I mentioned. Explicit sex acts, however, are not so common.'

see there it is .. you said it twice "not so common" ... was this a common act ... are all the 6 year olds in this school doing this ... no .. it was an isolated event. "not so common" leaves it open to say ... there is a possibility. You have to keep that in mind ... you must have had it in mind when you wrote it or you would have put 'impossible'"

Why would I say it's impossible? It's clearly not impossible (very little is), but that doesn't mean that it doesn't merit investigation for the risks it may indicate exist in the childrens' lives. It is unusual for 6 year olds to have sex with anyone, and as I've stated, it's recognized as an indicator of abuse or other such negative influences. I'm not speaking in absolutes here, and of course each case is unique, so there is no need to address my statements as if they must apply to ALL cases. But as we do know that this behavior coincides with such harmful acts against minors, it only makes sense for the police to look into it, as I'm sure the parents would agree. Where is the harm in that? If nothing untoward is going on, the children go on with their lives. If something is, they cease to be victimized. Either way, these children will need to be faced with what happened, because children need to learn from their mistakes - specifically, these children need to learn, at VERY least, not to have oral sex in a public place. How traumatizing any of that is will be a result of how the parents handle it, but it can't just be dismissed because it has bearing on the childrens' social development.
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     04/29/2005 12:50 AM     
  Well said MoC n/t  
 
n/t
 
  by: StarShadow     04/29/2005 01:08 AM     
  @MoC  
 
I do understand your point but I also know how "police" and the doctors they use can make abuse where there isn’t any. They can also traumatize the child more than the offence itself. I am in therapy now trying to undo all the damage society did to me as a boy. It took me several tries to find a therapist who could get by the typical view of a child and understand that I was a “not so common” child. You could instantly see it in their attitude and change of questioning as soon as told them that I started “pleasuring” myself at 5. This information was necessary for them to understand because it was the beginning of my awareness and my sex drive… which you, and most people, seem to believe can’t develop that early. I guess we are programmed to feel that way because honestly… I lived it… and yet I still have a hard time accepting it. But posts like these bring up so much anger. No one seems to see the trauma they could cause by assuming things instead of finding out answers. I know how society is in this kind of matter. They won’t listen to the children. It may very well be abuse but it may not be and I know that it won’t be treated that way. You stated that if nothing was going on… the boys go on with their lives but you don’t see the opposite damage. If nothing was going on that means one or both of the boys actually had a desire for this. Just try to imagine how horribly wrong they will feel about themselves now. I see things through my eyes as a child still. I have learned a lot more than I knew back then and I realize how society’s views had a devastating effect on me. I see both kinds of abuse but most of you only see one kind. I guess that is what angers me so much now. I do understand that these boys should be questioned but the fact that the police were involved before the parents were is alarming to me. Police deal with the bad all the time… you can’t blame them for the course of action they take. The truth isn’t found by starting with an opinion. People should understand one thing… this shouldn’t be a news story if it was handled correctly. If it was handled correctly, the parents would have calmly asked precise questions and listened properly to the child’s answer. Two simple ones come to mind… why did you do this?... and how did you learn about this?. If you aren’t screaming or crying or freaking out… most likely a child that age would answer truthfully. If nothing was going on then they could be taught about what’s improper in public and then they could go on with their lives. There wouldn’t have been a news story. Or if something was going on … the correct story would have been “Molester found after boys discovered in bathroom”

I do understand your views but they struck me as too ‘one sided’ It wasn’t your post I was really attacking. It was more the general one sided view of the whole thread. Protecting a child is a fine line. You can have all the best intentions in the world but on rare occasions “blanket” protection can be abusive too.

These poor boys were abused one way or another and they will now continue to be abused because it’s now not a “private” matter. Whether they were victimized or not before this event doesn’t really matter… they have been victimized now. That is what people should be upset about.
 
  by: orionstoy   04/29/2005 02:06 AM     
  @theironboard  
 
I'm assuming your lack of IM regarding your claims to have notified an admin about your concerns regarding this news item, means that you did not in fact contact an admin and simply chose to create a public stink as you termed it, so you could then claim that the admin team failed to do their jobs?
 
  by: XeXo     04/29/2005 09:33 AM     
  @Orionstoy  
 
Simply, the event happened, and will affect the children for better or worse. The matter must be investigated, and we can only hope that it will be done properly, as we do with all cases handled by our justice system. The risk of leaving those children to child molesters is far less than the damage which may be done by poor investigating of the matter. I'm glad that you see my point that such investigation needs to be done, but you seem to miss that such an investigation involves everyone around the children, so an outside professional is needed. You would have the parents question them? And what if the parents are the ones doing it? I seem to recall that most molestations are committed by persons close to the victim, so having the parents ask these questions is right out. This involves potential criminal activity, so it is the job of the police.

Your own negative personal experiences may provide some insight, but it is undeniable that they are outside of the norm. You are being critical of my not normalizing them, while I criticize you for doing just that. Yes, the situation of these boys may parallel your own, but we need to start from the most common explanation and work from there. The boys may be in danger, and their immediate well-being is of more importance than potential long-term psychological damage. Do you think people are going to pussyfoot around every little issue in their lives because they may be homosexual? I think you are as aware as I that this will not be the last and far from the most direct begative feedback regarding their orientation (especially in Texas), should it actually become such a thing in the course of the investigation. No one is going to coddle these children, but you are reacting to negative influences that we don't even know have occured or will occur. Kids are shamed and embarrassed all the time as a consequence for taboo actions - it's part of growing up. These kids are 6, and while the story has gained some national attention, I can't say that I've heard about it anywhere but here. It's not as if there are names, photos, and the like splashed all over the place or any national debate on the matter, and it's pretty much already forgotten. No one outside the school knows who these kids were, and if they do, that's the result of gossip circles which would have gotten word around anyway in a small town. I see no negative effect here that wouldn't have happened to the children regardless of how this was handled.
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     04/29/2005 07:58 PM     
  @MoC  
 
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Have you ever seen how Child Protection Services treats a child like this? I have seen and heard what happens through my nephew who was “questioned” because of an accusation made falsely by another boy. My nephew also had contact with this man so he was forced to be questioned also. He denied anything happened. They hounded him even yelled at him to try to get him to say something happened. They didn’t just stop at one interview either he had to go back 3 times. He cried and told me he didn’t want to go but he didn’t have that option. He was a wreck after it and he was a few years older than these boys.

I do agree it needed to be investigated. I do still think the parents should have been the ones asking the questions. Of course the school was already involved and the questions would have been asked or should have … right there and then. The school officials would also be present and should be able to determine if the parents are the problem… then a proper course of action could be taken.

So like I said before, I see the damage both ways and you seem to think …. If nothing happened, these boys wouldn’t be traumatized by being questioned by the “authorities”. You may think the justice system works but it doesn’t. You may think CPS only helps kids but they also abuse them to serve their agenda. You may think everything would work out fine but all I can think of is my nephew crying and saying “please don’t make me go back”.

Yes my vision is bias. I see trauma you don’t really seem to understand. I can’t really blame you because most adults have forgotten what it is like to be a child. Unfortunately for me, I relive my childhood on an almost daily basis. I still have my nightmares.

I’m not saying these children weren’t victimized before this event. If they were then I would hope that someone will know and stop it but I still believe the event was handled improperly by the school for involving the authorities before determining if the authorities needed to be involved.

This will be my last post on this subject. I know I haven’t been able to make you see that there may be two sides to this story but maybe my comments have helped others not to automatically assume it is molestation and if any kids who may be “developing” differently read this, I hope they understand that it does happen sometimes and they should feel ashamed about it.
 
  by: orionstoy   04/30/2005 08:11 PM     
  @orionstoy  
 
"I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Have you ever seen how Child Protection Services treats a child like this? I have seen and heard what happens through my nephew who was “questioned” because of an accusation made falsely by another boy. My nephew also had contact with this man so he was forced to be questioned also. He denied anything happened. They hounded him even yelled at him to try to get him to say something happened. They didn’t just stop at one interview either he had to go back 3 times. He cried and told me he didn’t want to go but he didn’t have that option. He was a wreck after it and he was a few years older than these boys.

I do agree it needed to be investigated. I do still think the parents should have been the ones asking the questions. Of course the school was already involved and the questions would have been asked or should have … right there and then. The school officials would also be present and should be able to determine if the parents are the problem… then a proper course of action could be taken.

"So like I said before, I see the damage both ways and you seem to think …. If nothing happened, these boys wouldn’t be traumatized by being questioned by the “authorities”. You may think the justice system works but it doesn’t. You may think CPS only helps kids but they also abuse them to serve their agenda. You may think everything would work out fine but all I can think of is my nephew crying and saying “please don’t make me go back”."

Yes, yes, the system is flawed, everyone knows that. The issue is that I don't see any alternative you've suggested as being better, and I will not forsake an option that, while bad, is still the best. For all we've heard about incompetent school officials lately, I would want someone knowledgeable of this kind of situation making the determination of what's going on.

"Yes my vision is bias. I see trauma you don’t really seem to understand. I can’t really blame you because most adults have forgotten what it is like to be a child. Unfortunately for me, I relive my childhood on an almost daily basis. I still have my nightmares."

And half a decade ago, I was still a minor. Yes, kids have their traumas...I had plenty of mine, and I got myself through them. I'm now in psychology, so to say that I don't understand trauma in myself and others is a mistaken assumption on your part. The fact of the matter is that I see trauma as avoidable, amendable, and survivable. If a case isn't one, it's usually either or both of the others.

"I’m not saying these children weren’t victimized before this event. If they were then I would hope that someone will know and stop it but I still believe the event was handled improperly by the school for involving the authorities before determining if the authorities needed to be involved."

You don't think they determined that before contacting them? The source says they were contacted the next day, not immediately that night after the other parents got word of it.

"This will be my last post on this subject. I know I haven’t been able to make you see that there may be two sides to this story but maybe my comments have helped others not to automatically assume it is molestation and if any kids who may be “developing” differently read this, I hope they understand that it does happen sometimes and they should feel ashamed about it."

I think you mean "should NOT feel ashamed about it." Anyway, I don't know why you think I don't understand what you've said or see both sides - after considering your points, I simply remain unconvinced.
 
  by: momentofclarity     05/01/2005 02:51 AM     
 
 
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