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05/16/2005 05:43 AM ID: 48145 Permalink   

Holy War in 3 Days Threatened over Quran Desecrations

 

Muslim Clerics in Afghanistan have threatened to call for a Holy War, or Jihad, against the United States, if military interrogators are not handed over, who stand accused of desecrating the Muslim holy book, the Quran.

The Clerics in the northwest of the country, demand that Bush hand over the interrogators, to an Islamic nation. If Bush fails to hand them over, it is reported that they will call for a Holy War on the United States.

This warning of a Holy War, comes amidst the worst anti-US protests in Afghanistan, since the invasion and occupation in 2001, in which over a dozen were killed, and over 100 injured.

 
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  Mehh  
 
No offence to any Muslim now, but these guys are frigin idiots.

This has to be one of the most stupidest, most ridiculously dumbest reasons to start a 'holy war'.

Im curious also as to how many holy wars can be had at the same time? This is probably that 299192485383585th time a holy war has been declared or called on the USA since 2001. Its lost all meaning now lol. Its more like a bad joke then a threat.
 
  by: Whipd+Kreem     05/16/2005 06:37 AM     
  Haven't they always called Jihad?  
 
Sorry to any Muslims I may offend.
Haven't the Clerics been calling for a Jihad since 2001? They want a Mega-Jihad or something? I don't get it. What could they possibly do now that they haven't already tried?

Bush should get out of Iraq and head to Africa where there is Genocide right now. Unfortunatly no oil.
 
  by: ericcode   05/16/2005 06:54 AM     
  This Is Why  
 
This is why the muslims are always fighting. It's because they're goofy. Nobody starts a war if a musilm flushes a bible down the toilet.
 
  by: The Lightning Stalke   05/16/2005 07:27 AM     
  A fecking Jihad on you  
 
like the Islamic jihads that we hear bout. We get scared about those Islamic jihads. I think we do assume that everyone who is into the Islamic religion is having a jihad every other bloody day. There's a lot of very relaxed Islamic people, and we got to understand - remember, this is very important - and we do assume that jihads are just like, you know, everyday three jihads are issued by every individual. It just seems they're everywhere .

"The fruit shop shortchanged me! A f****** jihad on them!"

Bump into someone, say,
"Hey! A f****** jihad on you!"

"How many jihads have you got going now, Dad?"

"Well, 24. God, it's difficult to keep up with them!"

Eddie Izzard / Dressed to Kill / 1999
 
  by: koultunami     05/16/2005 01:00 PM     
  Something interesting..  
 
Im sure we have all heard about the extremist Muslim leader in London, calling for Jihad, and bieng very controversial.
Anyway, one comedian from Australia, travelled there to see how easy it was to actually get a Jihad on someone. Too easy.
He used another Aussie comedian for the Jihad target lol.
He basically just got an existing book, critcising Islam(he may have made it up I think), changed the cover so it uses the other comedians name. Went and met with this Muslim leader, told him, and in his daily/weekly service thing, he called on Jihad on the Australian comedian. Of course, he didnt know he was bieng setup etc.

My point is, Jihad, for whatever its worth, is losing its meaning, and is turning more into a joke then something to take seriously.
 
  by: Whipd+Kreem     05/16/2005 01:10 PM     
  @ericcode  
 
Ericcode: Africa is swimming on petrol. Somalia/Sudan have huge reserves. The US wanted to get into Sudan last year but they did not realize their marines will get stuck for so long in Iraq.

Seems they thought Iraq is another somalia, they can go in, catch some warlords, get out and leave a friendly government.

It is almost funny if it was not for the thousands getting killed.
 
  by: kmazzawi     05/16/2005 01:37 PM     
  @kmazzawi  
 
Ironically Somalia is not a name that the US military likes to hear, since they had a few very nasty experiences out there. I think that if someone said "oh, yeah, Iraq is just another Somalia" they'd start running in the opposite direction damn quickly.
 
  by: Flashby     05/16/2005 02:38 PM     
  Isn't this...  
 
...in response to a story in Newsweek magazine or something about guards at Guantanamo Bay flushing a Quran down a toilet? If so, turns out that story was false, and now Newsweek is "apologizing" for it. What dopes.
 
  by: onethirtythreeseven   05/16/2005 05:52 PM     
  /smackhead  
 
I didn't notice that that story was already posted on here. Doh!
 
  by: onethirtythreeseven   05/16/2005 05:53 PM     
  Yes it is  
 
However newsweek is apologising or whatever, AFTER I posted this, just to cler that up..
 
  by: Whipd+Kreem     05/16/2005 05:55 PM     
  how ironic  
 
most muslims believe media is biased, some even claim its controlled by jews. Hmmmmm.. quite funny how easily they believed this story.
 
  by: cool_buddy   05/16/2005 10:42 PM     
  Reminds me of the Russell Crowe South Park episode  
 
YOU WANNA FOIGHT?!? hehe
 
  by: ChibiQ   05/17/2005 12:35 AM     
  Just to Clarify Some Misconceptions  
 
First of all, no entity in modern times has the Authority to proclaim a "Holy War".
Second of all, Jihad means struggle, not Holy War.
Third, No muslim in their right mind would ever flush a bible down the toilet or burn one.
Fourth, I am An American, I am a former serviceman(US Army SpecOps), I am a Muslim. So please don't label me as some radical, with a hidden agenda.
 
  by: IsaMuslim   05/17/2005 02:49 AM     
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  by: Luhker     05/17/2005 04:31 AM     
  Thank You  
 
Your insight was truly delightful. You are obviously a highly educated individual worthy of respect who should be listened to by all. Your tolerance and acceptance for others, combined with your incredible expertise on the subjects of Muslims, Islam, and the Qur'an are to be commended. I hope this finds you and your family well.
 
  by: IsaMuslim   05/17/2005 06:13 AM     
  Lois..you still around?  
 
Can you ban that jack*** aboce called Luhker?

That sort of a comment isnt necessary, and Im not even any of the groups he attacked, and I feel offended after reading it.
 
  by: Whipd+Kreem     05/17/2005 09:29 AM     
  I agree  
 
The guy is a fool and an embarrassment.
 
  by: Flashby     05/17/2005 10:17 AM     
  @ IsaMuslim  
 
'Second of all, Jihad means struggle, not Holy War.'

May I add though, that in the Qu'ran and Ahadith, Jihad is exclusively used in the context of military arms, 'Holy War'. This is seen in the lives of Muhammad and his followers. If Jihad was only a spiritual struggle, then why this hadith:

'I saw Marwan bin Al-Hakam sitting in the Mosque. So I came forward and sat by his side. He told us that Zaid bin Thabit had told him that Allah's Apostle had dictated to him the Divine Verse:

"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and lives.' [Qu'ran Sura 4 Verse 95]

Zaid said, "Ibn-Maktum came to the Prophet while he was dictating to me that very Verse. On that Ibn Um Maktum said, "O Allah's Apostle! If I had power, I would surely take part in Jihad." He was a blind man. So Allah sent down revelation to His Apostle while his thigh was on mine and it became so heavy for me that I feared that my thigh would be broken. Then that state of the Prophet was over after Allah revealed "...except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame).'

Bukhari: Volume 4 Book 52 Number 85

'When the Divine Inspiration: "Those of the believers who sit (at home), was revealed the Prophet sent for Zaid (bin Thabit) who came with a shoulder-blade and wrote on it. Ibn Um-Maktum complained about his blindness and on that the following revelation came: "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) except those who are disabled (by injury, or are blind or lame) and those who strive hard and fight in the Way of Allah with their wealth and lives)." '

Bukhari: Volume 4 Book 52 Number 84

If Jihad is a spiritual, if not physical, struggle, as many modern muslims in the West argue, then why is exception granted to the physically disabled?

Of course, many times Muhammad makes the intent of Jihad even clearer:

'Allah’s Apostle was asked, ‘What is the best deed?’ He replied, ‘To believe in Allah and His Apostle Muhammad.’ The questioner then asked, ‘What is the next best in goodness?’ He replied, ‘To participate in Jihad, religious fighting in Allah's Cause.’ '

Bukhari: Volume 1 Book 2 Number 25

One verse out of very many. And another point you made:

'Third, No muslim in their right mind would ever flush a bible down the toilet or burn one.'

Bibles are routinely destroyed in areas such as Saudi Arabia. Seeing as according to Islam the Bible has been hideously corrupted, I can see why, even if I don't agree. I'm sure a Muslim in his right mind would destroy a book which contradicts the Qu'ran to the letter on matters of faith. After all believing Christian doctrines such as the Incarnation or Trinity is one of the highest forms of blasphemy in Islam.

By the way, i'm not trying to label you as a radical or extremist, if thats what I seem to be doing (so please don't lump me in with Luhker hehe). I know many good people who are muslims, but it is my belief based on evidence from the Islamic scriptures that it is deeply flawed. Feel free to refute.
 
  by: LAP_40K   05/17/2005 02:10 PM     
  Bush Falsely blaming Newsweek  
 
Trouble was brewing before the Newsweek article. Apparently, the real reason for this was more down to US foreign policy than anything US media had produced.

Bush and co. are trying to divert the blame from him to Newsweek so that his administration can control yet another media production like a puppet.

Newsweek will have to lean towards right-wing propaganda and away from any investigative journalism into the govt. (in fear of more misdirected blame, possible ousting of staff, etc.)

Don't believe me?... look at all the other examples out there!! (I'm not going to provide links because there are so many legit. examples - I'm sure sites like mediamatters, etc. will have all the info and links.)

Regarding Bush's diversion of blame to Newsweek tactic:

http://www.defenselink.mil/...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...

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  by: method_uk   05/17/2005 04:18 PM     
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  by: ucc1027brian   05/17/2005 05:01 PM     
  zionist jews disrupting peace around the world  
 
newsweek* sorry
 
  by: ucc1027brian   05/17/2005 05:07 PM     
  somalia  
 
was a clinton issue. I'm just throwing that in, because iraq can't be mentioned without talking about Bush and how bad he is. Somalia was mentioned as an embarassment, and a mess, and yet the 'responsible' party was not even mentioned. :)
 
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  by: XeXo     05/17/2005 11:18 PM     
  Just like to add  
 
That in 3 days I think it was, over 300 clerics called for a Holy War..Interesting no? How one 'story' can anger so many, to the point they are out for blood.
 
  by: Whipd+Kreem     05/18/2005 03:09 AM     
  smoke & mirrors?  
 
While we are all busy contemplating the Jihaad (sp?) and "Holy Wars", I have noted that NOBODY has taken the time to acknowledge that this is exactly what we are expected to do. In the meantime, George and the boys are doing whatever somewhere else in the world...
Watch the hand you can see, but never mind the one behind my back...
 
  by: NuB_Lurker   05/19/2005 01:47 AM     
  F the Middle East  
 
There too many problems
Lets just Bomb them all
And End there Fnnmm Crises
Ive Just About had it with the middle east
Ohhhhhhhhhhh I think i will stop at that before i see red and Explode in Anger I am back home now after being Shot in the Leg and shoulder from the middle east Why Bush still has us there i have no idea its a Living hell
You wonder everyday you wake up if this is the day your gonna die OVER WHAT
 
  by: NewsBotxXx   05/19/2005 06:10 PM     
 
 
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