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06/17/2005 01:39 PM ID: 48689 Permalink   

Over 29,000 Marijuana Plants Seized in Raids

 

Hawaii's Operation Green Harvest confiscated the plants from sites on all the major islands with the largest group located on the island of Molokai where state and federal offices seized around 10,000 plants.

In addition to the live plants officers also found 36 pounds of processed marijuana and arrested six people for drug promotion during a 10-day operation which ended on June 9, 2005.

Tony Williams, Drug Enforcement Administration agent said that they were after cultivators and not medical-marijuana users. "We're only looking at the major traffickers, the cultivators. We're not interested in investigating the sick or the dying."

 
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  “We just want to make sure  
 
the sick and dying can’t get any relief from their pain and suffering. We’re from the government, we don’t care, we don’t have to.”
Where do they think marijuana comes from?
 
  by: Valkyrie123     06/17/2005 03:07 PM     
  If I had cancer...  
 
I would be more than pissed off about this. If a doctor told me this would relieve my pain, but I couldn't because the govt deemed it "illegal" for idiotic reasons...I would go bananas.

Looks like Cancer will need some big name superstar to help progress medicine and procedures...AGAIN! How many times is it that if there is a diesese, no one cares until some big name celeb steps in and helps out. Then, people will finally revolt and follow the celeb's voice and petition the govt.

Someone get Lance Armstrong and tell him to represent Cancer again for this case. America govt won't listen unless he says something. Just like when people where saying save the trees. It seems no progress was made until Bono had those charity concers for it.
 
  by: hotrock11     06/17/2005 03:19 PM     
  Big name celeb...  
 
Montel Williams is a huge advocate for Medicinal Marijuana. He himself uses it for his pain associated with MS, in the form of a capsule. He was also stopped at an airport check point not too very long ago and detained for having his medicine with him.

After the research I have done on Medicinal Marijuana, I really wish the government would wake the hell up and approve use of marijuana for medical reasons.

What pisses me off is Marijuana is a class A drug, while heroin, coke LSD are all a lessor class of B. *grrrrr*

As I said in a speech I gave, "It's time the cobwebs of Reefer Madness are cleared away..." we need to move into the much more informed generation of this century.
 
  by: Whisper   06/17/2005 06:12 PM     
  lol, Refer Madness!!!  
 
I laughed so hard when I saw that movie! I own it on DVD now, it's got a colourized version and the original black and white version as well as some great commentaries!

I'm so sure that they are only going after the traffickers and cultivators, that's why there are stories of people who are allowed to smoke medical marijuana having DEA agents burst into their homes with guns drawn and confiscate the drugs. Ya, they are only interested in those horrible traffickers that have disgused themselves as sick people!
 
  by: flowerchild   06/17/2005 06:54 PM     
  only 7  
 
Actually there are only 7 people in the U.S. that are "allowed" to use Medicinal Marijuana by the Federal Government.

*shakes head*
 
  by: Whisper   06/17/2005 07:08 PM     
  Yes, but...  
 
there are lots of others that are allowed through state legislation and I don't think the federal government should be able to say any different.
 
  by: flowerchild   06/17/2005 09:19 PM     
  Action  
 
NORML
if you want to stop seeing this type of government intrusion on our human rights then help out any way you can, please!
 
  by: iuseyew   06/17/2005 11:10 PM     
  Secession  
 
The people's rights are being bled away. The feds don't think a state has the right to say how to care for it's sick. I think they can't control the pharmesudical revenues from a plant that can grow anywhere. I'm sick of this BS. The school teach how to recite, but not how to learn. The media teaches us to follow the conformists, and not to cause waves. People read their papers, watch their news/commercials, and are offered no outlet for decent. This is States vs Federal rights, and I fight for the Republic of California.



That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
 
  by: Jargon   06/18/2005 12:07 AM     
  pot  
 
I doubt these plants were being grown for medical purposes.

They are to be sold to children, teenagers, and adults. Drugs like this make the poor even more poor.

Since when did legalizing a recreational drug ever become beneficial? and what rights are being taken away?
 
  by: vigorstrength   06/18/2005 12:25 AM     
  Laws  
 
California voters, as well as voters among other states, have approved laws allowing for the growing and consumption of marijuana for medical purposes. The US Constitution allows for states to determine local needs and solutions for local issues, such as how to treat patients. The rights of those voters who have brought these laws into existence are being overshadowed and vetoed by Feds working with special interests. (Lets not get into the motives that made the substance illegal to begin with.) The drug war is a jealous government looking to cash in on the lucritive drug trade. Big busts help grow budgets. Do you think those plants were put there last week? They could have raided those fields months ago, but why would they when they can wait until summer, when the crops weigh in more, make a bigger story, and pull in a bigger budget? This shouldn't even be an issue... its a plant; its been here longer than we have.
 
  by: Jargon   06/18/2005 01:00 AM     
  @vigorstrength  
 
The only reason so much pot is being sold to kids and teens is BECAUSE it's illegal, numbnuts. You can also thank people like yourself for giving the drug dealers the oportunity to lead our kids by the hand onto harder drugs. Err, keep up the good work?!? You people have had your way too long and it's only getting worse.

Let me just say it for the cheap seats, YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO CONTROL EVERYTHING, NO MATTER WHAT YOU THINK. I think the drug war, the song war, the movie war and any other corporate/moral war you morons are starting this week would have shown you that by now.

btw, it's my right to put what I want into my body.
 
  by: ploss     06/18/2005 01:02 AM     
  Laws  
 
California voters, as well as voters among other states, have approved laws allowing for the growing and consumption of marijuana for medical purposes. The US Constitution allows for states to determine local needs and solutions for local issues, such as how to treat patients. The rights of those voters who have brought these laws into existence are being overshadowed and vetoed by Feds working with special interests. (Lets not get into the motives that made the substance illegal to begin with.) The drug war is a jealous government looking to cash in on the lucritive drug trade. Big busts help grow budgets. Do you think those plants were put there last week? They could have raided those fields months ago, but why would they when they can wait until summer, when the crops weigh in more, make a bigger story, and pull in a bigger budget? This shouldn't even be an issue... its a plant; its been here longer than we have.
 
  by: Jargon   06/18/2005 01:13 AM     
  Oops  
 
How'd that post twice? ploss is right; my body, my decision. Time to find a consenting adult woman to have free intercouse with in exchange for my purchase of a $100 T-Shirt that makes me a 30 minute member of her club. That would be completely legal, too.
 
  by: Jargon   06/18/2005 01:22 AM     
  forgot about montell...n/t  
 
nothing to see here folks
 
  by: hotrock11     06/18/2005 01:56 AM     
  Something i Hate  
 
Is people think that these anti drug laws were introduced yesterday, they were not. They have been around for decades. So clearly Ploss you do not have the rights to what goes in your body, If you don't like the laws, move to a 3rd world contry and you can smoke all the weed you like. There are prices you have to pay to be in a 1st world contry and this is one of them.
 
  by: tiggyfiggy   06/18/2005 04:12 AM     
  i love  
 
when people tell others to leave.
 
  by: emp3r0r     06/18/2005 04:34 AM     
  @tiggyfiggy  
 
your love it or leave it speech is getting a bit repetative.
 
  by: jaded fox     06/18/2005 04:41 AM     
  @Jargon  
 
LOL, very well illustrated ... are you a lawyer? heh.
 
  by: bipbip   06/18/2005 02:18 PM     
  @emp  
 
it's the perfect saying for some people..."if you don't like it, then leave"

It makes you wonder what would happen if everyone that disliked something about America and was told to leave just packed up and left, leaving those who say that damn saying behind. I always wondered how America would be ran.

I think it would take less than 10 days for the remanining people to beg for those people back.
 
  by: hotrock11     06/19/2005 03:45 AM     
  @tiggyfiggy  
 
If people didn’t fight to have law s changed the this wouldn’t be America we would live in a third world country, but Canada is not a third world country and neither is Amsterdam last time I checked.....
 
  by: pancho567   06/20/2005 12:41 AM     
  @ Ploss  
 
"The only reason so much pot is being sold to kids and teens is BECAUSE it's illegal, numbnuts." thats right, and kids dont drink or smoke cigarettes either.
While I do believe as well, what you put in your own body is your choice. But if you do that shit in public you are putting in my body if I undortunetly walk to close to do, but personally, if you grow your own supply, your a concenting adult (according to your laws), you dont sell it or distribute it, and you only smoke it at home... Go Nuts lol. If it desnt hurt me I am cool with it, and oh pls dont drive stoned, its no better than driving drunk.

Also like alcahol, if it is legalised can you imagine the regulations slapped down on it, you wont be allowed to grow it yourself still, and selling it without a licence will still be illegal. So busts like this wont change. and people will complain when the government slaps a tax on it. If they allow it by law, they will make millions off of you, like it or not that is the only way it works.
 
  by: ssxxxssssss   06/20/2005 01:02 AM     
  @ssxxxssssss  
 
I said the reason why so much, not all of it. I would bet money that if it were more like something you would pick up from the state store it would greatly reduce the chances of kids or teens getting ahold of it and getting started on harder drugs. GREATLY reduce it. Either way you look at it, you can't tell me that a guy working at a counter with something to lose is less trustworthy than a drug dealer.

I don't really agree with the rest of what you said, but you'll have that. Even if the Govt sold it for what the going rate is now with it being illegal, I'd be happy with that just to get some better quality stuff and an assurance that it's only weed in the bag. It's pretty cheap to grow so I doubt they could get as crazy as you think pricewise, this is still America and once it would become legal the market would probably decide the price in the long run. Grow your own over months or go down the street and buy some good stuff shipped in from wherever you want? I think a lot would just end up going down the street, like I said this is America.
 
  by: ploss     06/20/2005 02:08 AM     
  I'm sure you would be able...  
 
to grow our own since you can legally have a small amount of tobacco plants growing in your house (not sure how many since it varies from place to place) and you can brew your own beer at home as well. As for children getting pot, well, they can get it now so the laws are obviously not working.
I would not smoke it in public just as I don't like cigarettes being smoked in public (although I don't agree with the crack down on smokers going on right now.), but there are lots of ways around this such as having cafes like in Amsterdam where they are meant to smoke pot in. You can't police public morality.
 
  by: flowerchild   06/20/2005 05:48 PM     
  @vigorstrength & @tiggyfiggy  
 
@vigorstrength

“I doubt these plants were being grown for medical purposes.”

- Why? Do you happen to know where all medical marijuana is grown?

”They are to be sold to children, teenagers, and adults.”

- If marijuana was legalized and available by prescription then these evil drug dealers would not be peddling this stuff to kids in the same manner.

“Drugs like this make the poor even more poor.”

- Many things make the poor poorer: Tax, healthcare, alcohol, tobacco, the lottery and so on. You can’t really blame marijuana for the problems of the poor. Most problems of poverty in the US are because of poor social policies.

”Since when did legalizing a recreational drug ever become beneficial?”

- I guess when legalizing alcohol removed the mobs stranglehold over illegal distribution of it. Your pro-prohibition arguments really don’t make any sense here. If a doctor can prescribe morphine and other immensely powerful drugs to a patient he should be trusted to prescribe marijuana when he feels it appropriate. Marijuana was banned in the first place for political reasons, and now there is an irrational ban on it even when more powerful and more dangerous drugs are freely available by prescription. How does that make any sense? As one of the SN reports has in her profile, more people die each year eating peanuts than die smoking weed. Do you advocate banning peanuts?

“and what rights are being taken away?”

- Well up until recently some states decided that medical marijuana was okay if prescribed by a doctor for serious illness. The Supreme Court recently took away the rights of states to make that decision. So maybe those rights were taken away.

@tiggyfiggy

“…Is people think that these anti drug laws were introduced yesterday, they were not. They have been around for decades.”

- For decades there were laws allowing slavery, beating women, not allowing women to vote and banning oral sex. In fact you can look back over the years and see countless examples of absurd laws that make no sense today. So why do you think that the older a law is, the more validity it has?

“So clearly Ploss you do not have the rights to what goes in your body, If you don't like the laws, move to a 3rd world contry and you can smoke all the weed you like. There are prices you have to pay to be in a 1st world contry and this is one of them.”

- Or how about this idea. If there are bad laws why not fix them? Sometimes the law isn’t correct and public opinion gets the law changed. You have no right to tell people that think the laws need updating to leave the country. Also contrary to the opinions of some, there are plenty of ‘1st world countries’ that exist that have a very relaxed view of marijuana, so you don’t have to go and live in a small mud hut to be free to smoke a joint.

This debate is essentially about freedom. Frankly it should not be illegal to grow a small plant in your home and then dry the leaves and smoke them. Most laws are designed to stop people encroaching on other peoples freedom. This law makes no sense in that respect. If we are going to stampede around the world spreading our democracy and freedom, maybe we should have more freedom here.

Why not do some research on this subject rather than simply regurgitating the propaganda that has been spoon fed to you?
 
  by: ZCT     06/20/2005 10:18 PM     
  couldn't have said it better myself ...  
 
vigorstrength and tiggyfiggy and the like are products of the same society that makes up the stupid laws, ppl who are taught not to think outside of the box and to blindly follow all the laws no matter how stupid and absurd they are. I really feel sorry for those who can't really see ... :(

peace
 
  by: bipbip   06/20/2005 10:38 PM     
  It has pretty much been said, but...  
 
"If you don't like the laws, move to a 3rd world contry"

If everyone who didn't like the laws governing over them, left the country they were in, the United States wouldn't exsist, for that matter nearly every government on earth wouldn't exsist. Instead of having our founding fathers start the US, you would of rather have them leave to another country.

When I see things like this, it just makes me wonder if the person saying it is functionally retarded, but maybe that is just me.

@Jargon
I agree completly. It comes down to, if you (and many others) don't like the government, it is either time for secession or time to change the government.

I saw an interesting statistic the other day, they polled something like 1000 people in California the other day, and 27% said they trusted the government, and 73% said they didn't. According to something I read once, originally, in the War of Independence, 33% supported the the war, 33% were against it, and 33% were neutral. So when does the secession start?
 
  by: tellgar     06/21/2005 12:22 AM     
  That's what I've been saying...  
 
since Bush was re-elected! There's going to be another civil war if they don't watch out! I hope it doesn't come to that, but the way things are going now it seems almost inevitable!
 
  by: flowerchild   06/21/2005 12:35 AM     
  Ever noticed the similarities between...  
 
The Declaration and the stuff that is happening now?

"...with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations...it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

"He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good."

The marijuana laws are a good example of this, and so is the different states passing laws to ban sections of the patriot act and now bush is trying to get them overwritten.

"He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures."

Ever watched our senate, I get tired just watching.

"He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands."

Very similar to the poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer that our government seems to promote.

"He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers."

Instead we get worked from the inside and have the Judges obstructing justice.

"He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries."

This sounds about right for our government. Just look at all the news about the judges lately.

"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance."

Enron anyone, or the new company the government is helping old enron employees start.

"He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the consent of our legislatures."

Maybe not among us, but how about Standing Armies in other countries.

"He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power."

Hmmm, Guantonamo Prison anyone?

"He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation"

Patriot Act and Constitution Restoral Act.

"For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us"

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among other nations (Iraq).

"For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States"

Yeah, Abu Grave Prison and their trials, and when are they going to put the commanding officers and higher ups in our government on trial for this... oh and when are we bringing bush up on charges for starting an illegal war?

"For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world"

So why can't I import prescription drugs from Canada?

"For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent"

What do you mean, 25-40% of my checks goes to the government?

"For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments"

Patriot Act and Marijuana laws, Woot, a two-fer.

"He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people."

Just change that to:

He has plundered seas, ravaged Coasts, burnt towns, and destroyed the lives of people.

"He is at this time transporting large Armies...to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation."

Wow, no change there...

"In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury."

Maybe not with the injury, instead he just gives us the "finger" and tells us what to do with it.

"A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

Change Prince to President and I think it fits.
 
  by: tellgar     06/21/2005 02:37 AM     
  There's talk of opening a certification center  
 
The center would certify terminally ill people for medical marijuana. However, there have been complaints that it will do nothing as the problem is that many people cannot groe their own. One woman has said she has given up because one crop was eaten and another stolen. Maybe the state should just dsell this stuff to the patients. I mean they can't make thier budget and they now have how many pounds to dispose of?
 
  by: jaded fox     06/28/2005 01:16 AM     
  @jaded fox  
 
Totally, instead of just burning all that they find, why not sell it to people who need it and make a profit off of it.
 
  by: tellgar     06/28/2005 01:22 AM     
  @ploss  
 
I agree with what your saying, but just from experience with (at least) the Australian Government they tax anything they can get their hands on. For example normal smokes are up around $11 for a pack of 20. About $7.50 - $8.50 of that is tax imposed by the government. same with alcohol, we are at about 40% of the price is tax. Yes we have a '10%' GST but they also place 'excises' on it, which is just another fancy word for extra tax to get around us only being able to charge 10% tax. If you dont get this crap in the USA then lucky for you :). Also its not legal to grow tobacco in Australia, and your only allowed to brew your own beer if its for private consumption only, no distribution at all (not even giving it to friends).
Here if Marijuana was ever legalised, take the price (i dont know cause i dont use it) and times that by at least 400%. then you would have the price you could legally by it at.
 
  by: ssxxxssssss   06/28/2005 01:28 AM     
 
 
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