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07/10/2005 02:28 AM ID: 49018 Permalink   

Popular Video Game Contains Graphic Sex

 

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas apparently contains graphic sex scenes just waiting to be unlocked and this has raised the ire of a media watchdog group. Evidently these sex scenes can be unlocked with a free Internet mod download.

The mod's author claims that his code merely unlocks content that is already included in the code of each off-the-shelf game. "If Rockstar Games denies that, then they're lying and I will be able to prove that," said Patrick Wildenborg, mod author.

"My mod does not introduce anything to the game. All the content that is shown was already present on the DVD," he said. The National Institute on the Media and the Family issued a "nationwide parental alert" on the game.

 
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  just downloaded patch then  
 
anyone interested in the patch here is a download link for it.
http://www.gamershell.com/...
 
  by: stonedwookie   07/10/2005 03:58 AM     
  Nationwide parental alert  
 
What a joke! The game is already 18+ and when will the morons in charge realize that violence is much more damaging than sex.

I can run around and kill as much as I want but heaven forbid I see two people having sex. IDIOTS! I wish I could punch them in the face... seeing how that's more appropriate than screwing them.

Awesome game by the way.
 
  by: fr3kazoid   07/10/2005 04:00 AM     
  Why Not?  
 
After all, we've kicked God out of our schools & homes! Maybe our businesses. So, open the door world and let the devil keep on coming! You people that sit and let it all happen, are the guilty ones! Where's your kid now? On drugs? Drunk? Who runs your home? YOU or the kids? Think about it! It's time to stop this garbage! Parents should teach their kids about sex! Not some money hungry business! In GOD we trust? What a joke, America!! It's all about money!!!
 
  by: nadyoung   07/10/2005 06:29 AM     
  Video Link  
 
The one that is linked to in most blogs and news sites is severely clogged. Here is one with low traffic if you wanna see the game in action: http://www.xerocore.com/...
WARNING! if you are offended by pixelized boobs, etc then don't view!
 
  by: treyjazz   07/10/2005 06:38 AM     
  Saw it on G4  
 
I think it was Attack of the Show...they showed a short clip of it.
 
  by: theavenger8     07/10/2005 07:05 AM     
  2 things...  
 
1. Any word on this mod/patch for the Xbox version?

2. Thanks, Nadyoung, for having the balls to make everyone on Earth look much more intelligent by comparison.
 
  by: erasedgod   07/10/2005 08:26 AM     
  So what?  
 
If the content is already there, it's up to the end user whether to unlock it or not. And with many games you're not meant to be modifying them as expressed in the EULA.

All consoles have the ability to play pirated games, but not without modifying it. You're not meant to be modifying those.

@nadyoung
What if I don't belive in god? Devil? What devil? Outside of America it's not a big deal that someone is athiest.
 
  by: TheBackwardsman   07/10/2005 11:01 AM     
  It's YOUR choice....  
 
TO:TheBackwardsman - You can beleive what you wish. All of us are free to do that. Whether outside the US or not, makes no difference. Personally, I find it hard to swallow that my ancestors climbed out of the sea on their bellies. Also hard to beleive is the planets perfectly aligned. The construction of any living creature, tells me that even if there were a "Big Bang", that it took a super powerful being to do it! Something or someone, that most refer to as "God".
He even created the athesist! Beleive it or not, He loves all He created, to spite themselves. He gave up freedom of choice. Those that beleive in Him, have the power of prayer to try to wake people up, without saying a word! Come Judgement day, I sure would hate to find out that I was wrong, IF, I was an atheist! Are you willing to lose your eternal salvation over your stubborness to at least listen or read a Bible and consider the possibility that God IS real? Myself, I'd rather say "Get behind me, satan, in Jesus' Name!" and get on with leading others to the Truth....GODS' Word! Not mans!
One thing for sure, we Christians have plenty of people to pray for! Thanks You!
 
  by: nadyoung   07/10/2005 11:21 AM     
  @nadyoung  
 
Why is sex more offensive to you than, for example, killing police officers with a chainsaw (one of my personal favorites), or flying around in an Apache helicopter trying to see how many innocent bystanders you can help into the afterlife?

I'm honestly curious what makes you folks tick. Please respond using rational thought and sound argumentation (that means backing up your claims) rather than pre-concieved bias notions.
 
  by: macbethium   07/10/2005 11:24 AM     
  TYPO! See....I'm Human, too!  
 
The sentence should have said: "He gave US freedom of choice!". NOT, He gave UP!
 
  by: nadyoung   07/10/2005 11:25 AM     
  Biased?? Get Real!  
 
I never said sex was wrong or harmful. Why don't you high and mighty self appointed judges, learn how to READ! Slow down! I said very clearly... The PARENTS should teach their kids about sex! NOT some company trying to profit by making a beautiful thing like sex, turn our kids into rapist and molestors! Most of what you say, makes me wonder what your brain was fried by!
Advertising uses (cheapens!) sex, money, violence and dis-order to corupt our kids! It's a shame most "parents" are too blind to see it!
This world is sure going to hell in a heartbeat! Society is out of control and no one seems to care! I don't try to use facy words to cut others down or try to insult their intelligence. I just add them to my prayer list! Hopefully, some of you will wake up to reality before it's too late! I really hurt for you losers and your attitude towards law and order. Thanks though, because it gives me plenty to pray about! I Love it! Jesus IS Lord! Amen!
 
  by: nadyoung   07/10/2005 11:35 AM     
  To: erasedgod...  
 
You're Welcome! You're on my prayer list, too! God Bless!
 
  by: nadyoung   07/10/2005 11:37 AM     
  No big deal  
 
This is an ADULT game anyway. There are more racy patches for the Sims which is a kids game.
 
  by: jaded fox     07/10/2005 12:27 PM     
  @nadyoung  
 
Dude, chill out, I was asking for a reason why you think sex is bad. Obviously, you don't, which clears that up.

Sure, I believe sex should be tought by parents and schools, and not by businesses who use it as a marketing ploy.

But when is the last time GTA tought you anything about sex? It's a gimmick, for crying out loud, not an educational film promoting felacio with the devil. Sure, it makes light of the subject, but who cares? Casual sex is fun, yes you can get aids and pregnant, everyone knows that cause they've been tought by their parents/schools right?

I'm just curious to know why religious fundementalists everywhere are so goddamned touchy when it comes to sex, and totally overlook violence for it's own sake.

Second question is why you think the above mentioned point of view should be enforced on everyone. (<-- assumption based on prior experience)
 
  by: macbethium   07/10/2005 12:35 PM     
  damn!  
 
when they said that the GTA engine could do any kind of game they weren't kidding!
 
  by: Meltman   07/10/2005 12:38 PM     
  @nadyoung  
 
"Personally, I find it hard to swallow that my ancestors climbed out of the sea on their bellies. Also hard to beleive is the planets perfectly aligned. The construction of any living creature, tells me that even if there were a "Big Bang", that it took a super powerful being to do it! Something or someone, that most refer to as "God"."

It is not the matter of Evolution = watermelon -> goldfish -> monkies -> humans. Its a more gradual change, replace enough parts of a computer and it becomes a completely different one.

If you wish to find out how it really works and a fairly good theory on how life began read "Selfish Genes And Selfish Memes" by Richard Dawkins

2nd of all the universe is huge. Throw a bunch of sand on the floor, what is the probability that it landed that way? Almost improbable, yet it did.

As for the god creating the universe I can not refute that since it is logically imposible to prove a negative. The burden of proof is on you.

"I sure would hate to find out that I was wrong, IF, I was an atheist!"

Well then if there was a god I don't think he/she would appreciate that you believe in him just in case.


As previously mentioned I can't see why you prioritse sex above violence on the ban list. Sex can only hurt you and a partner violence affects everyone else.

"The PARENTS should teach their kids about sex! NOT some company trying to profit by making a beautiful thing like sex, turn our kids into rapist and molestors"
I just fell down the slippery slope ouch!
 
  by: TheBackwardsman   07/10/2005 12:55 PM     
  A good thing  
 
Hehe, It's good to see I'm not the only one with a brain and too much time on my hands...
 
  by: macbethium   07/10/2005 12:58 PM     
  @macbethium  
 
fundamentalist never try to ban violence because if you read the bible it would be on top of the banning list. Tons of wars millions dying because of some godly snit. Decapitation rapes dismemberment. Hell, the bible is actually pretty entertaining reading when you consider the amount of bloodshed in there.

Aside from that there is this weird trend I noticed. THe closer to god you are the more acceptable it is to be violent. Take a look at the crusades, abortion doctor murders, and suicide bombers.
 
  by: jaded fox     07/10/2005 01:12 PM     
  @nadyoung  
 
Lots of people found it hard to believe that the Earth was flat.

I find it hard that the Earth was created in ...what was it? a week.

Or how about no mention of dinosaurs in the bible?

Do you still believe there are witches and we should hang them ?

"He even created the athesist! Beleive it or not, He loves all"
--Thats why everyone that doesn't believe in God goes to hell?

Religion is probably just as much about money as the game.

Also parents have all the power to restrict any violence and sex in the kids life. The games are rated for 18 or 17 years old? did you catch that part?

They created V-chips just for fanatics like you, and guess what? THEY DON"T USE THEM, people love to place blame for their problems that seem logical to blame.

"Come Judgement day, I sure would hate to find out that I was wrong"
--You are proof of how religion uses Fear to teach; And those afraid of death are more susceptible to believing God.


"IF, I was an atheist! Are you willing to lose your eternal salvation over your stubborness to at least listen or read a Bible and consider the possibility that God IS real?"
--Same goes to you, what about the possibility that God doesn't exist?

"This world is sure going to hell in a heartbeat! Society is out of control and no one seems to care!"
--I can think of many more ways this world is going to hell, lets start with Green house gases and nuclear weapons.

"I don't try to use facy words to cut others down or try to insult their intelligence."
"I really hurt for you losers and your attitude towards law and order"
-- so you just use simple words and that makes it just fine to insult, by calling people losers?

I agree with you, Kids should be taught sex, not by games...but guess what? this isn't a game for kids.
 
  by: sp00ky187   07/10/2005 04:37 PM     
  bleh  
 
A belief in god or not, it's still pretty pathetic that grown men place a scene where the 10-99 year old can have simulated oral sex, doggystyle, and other positions with another character.

And why is someone supposing christians are against the sex and not the violence? There has been plenty of protest against the game because of the violence, yet they were still called idiots.

 
  by: vigorstrength   07/10/2005 05:19 PM     
  Thanx NadYoung  
 
I have decided to follow the path of fundamentalist Christians, I have seen the light! I have given up sex and beat my neighbor to death with my Bible! It gives new meaning to “Bible Banging”. I could hear them fornicating through the walls, those evil devil worshippers. Now they are saved! Yesterday I burned a Mosque because they worship the devil and today I’m looking for witches to burn, thou shalt not suffer a witch to live! Bring back the Crusades, Satan is among us! God Bless You!

Please change your name to “Nadless Sh!t for Brains” and add me to your prayer list. I really need to win the lottery! It's brainless fanatic sheep like you that have killed billions in the name of YOUR God. I don’t often go off on people or their opinions on this channel but you are crazy and dangerous, a really bad combination. See a shrink please.

As for GTA3, I have never played it an doubt I ever will, who cares. Now get a life, get out of the house, go to a garden and meat a real live girl!
 
  by: valkyrie123     07/10/2005 05:28 PM     
  Get Thee Behind Me, Nadyoung.  
 
Welcome to Hell. Please learn to spell if you are going to try to convert us.
 
  by: theironboard     07/10/2005 06:59 PM     
  I always find go to hell amusing  
 
I'd quite like a trip to the US one of these days.

:P
 
  by: Domo1 MkII   07/10/2005 09:12 PM     
  @valkyrie123  
 
"It's brainless fanatic sheep like you that have killed billions in the name of YOUR God."

Wow! Is it now at the billions?
 
  by: vigorstrength   07/10/2005 09:27 PM     
  jesus christ...  
 
you all need to relax.
its a game.

if parents did their job.
they wouldnt allow the kids to play it until they were mature enough to understand its just a game.
 
  by: neester   07/11/2005 01:20 AM     
  aww man  
 
I can't wait to give that girl head on there... oh wait... i have to push buttons on my controller?... well that just lost its fun...
 
  by: Dook   07/11/2005 01:41 AM     
  It's just a game  
 
Of course it's just a game, and parents should ensure that their kids don't play it, as it is an adult game. We all know no store would ever sell an adult game to a minor, right? Even though there is no legislation that actually prohibits that. Heck, no store would ever sell alcohol and cigarettes to a minor either, right?

Don't we already have a strong enough focus on sex and violence, without adding to it? Man, the psychs are making a fortune from this sort of thing.
 
  by: lauriesman     07/11/2005 05:10 AM     
  Who cares?  
 
No child should be playing this game anyway; it is an adult game that is not designed for minors.

In order to access this 'graphic sex' a person has to download a special patch and install it and follow a series of instructions to actually see some simulated graphic sex scenes.

Guess what, any kid doing this is already downloading porn off the internet. One might argue that looking at porn is better for a teen than virtually shooting policemen and learning to be a virtual gang leader and criminal.
 
  by: ZCT     07/11/2005 05:25 AM     
  @ZCT  
 
"Guess what, any kid doing this is already downloading porn off the internet. One might argue that looking at porn is better for a teen than virtually shooting policemen and learning to be a virtual gang leader and criminal."

one might argue that... unfortunately that that would require the not so common, common sense... theres a massive void of such in fundamental religious nutjobs in every religion, christian, catholism and islamic are the most notable because they have the most nutjo, because they have the most followers.

personally i think they only have as many followers as they do from indocrination and fear mongering... yes fear mongering isn't just a political issue... alot of religions are based on fear... christianity happens to be one of them, anyone that says otherwise has absolutely never read the bible or simply never could understand it. i believe it says numerous time to fear "god".

also fear of death as previously mentioned... i've never understood why people fear death... its not something that can ultimately avoided.

this is christianity (and a few other religions, not all fall into this):

"follow such and such, believe such and such, don't ask questions, otherwise theres hell"

this isn't love... this isn't even tolerance... this is fearmongering for control.
 
  by: HAVOC666     07/11/2005 05:54 AM     
  It's a game for adults...  
 
It's a violent game, for adults, not children. You have to be over 18 to buy this game. Ergo children cannot buy it, it's for adults. I don't understand the problem. Only 18 year olds can buy it, 18 year olds are not children, they are adults. Have I repeated myself enough? Good.

What is the problem? SERIOUSLY? Anybody?
 
  by: koultunami     07/11/2005 02:30 PM     
  funny catagory it's under at SN  
 
"Recreation"

hahahahaha!

but my opinion matches koul's...you have to be 18 to buy the game, so it's kinda of like whatever happens after it's bought is between the parent and the child. On the box it labels everything about it, it's a mandate. In IL YOU MUST SHOW ID IF YOU LOOK UNDER THE AGE OF 18. When I worked at Best Buy the computer would make me check.

Of course parental groups are hounding this game, but then again...they are trying to achieve something that is impossible in the world. They want a world where "adult" games are unreachable to children. Books w/adult themes unreachable. Movies that are PG-13 and up unreachable.

And you know what that does? It shelters kids. I will still say that the responsibity meter leans heavily on the parents, to me 90% to 10%. Parents have to be parents!

You know why kids love GTA? They get to play by themselves and blow up stuff. They get to be a pimp. They get to really fu.. the police. I guarentee if there's a parent there, the game wouldn't seem AS radical as if playing w/friends, or you would get a parent to child talk about how in real life you wouldn't even be able to run the stoplight.

I just think people need to leave the game makers alone. They do their job. Game is made for 18+. I wouldn't care if they went ahead and threw in live sex scenes...if it's 18+ it's all good w/me. There's plenty technology for parents to request for like chips or the old fashion "you're not playing this game unless i'm around to see it" It's the parents that are lacking.
 
  by: hotrock11     07/11/2005 02:41 PM     
  @koultunami  
 
Actually, you're wrong about the rating.

The game is rated for is rated M for Mature, meaning no one under the age of 17 should play it without an adult's consent.

I expect them to raise it to the rare AO (Adults Only) rating, after the rating.

Parents should be made aware of a game that Simulates Bl*wjobs, d*ggystyle, m*ssionary style, rough s*x, moaning, the climax, and org*asms. It's still amazes me that many you guys are against all reaction, suggesting silence.
 
  by: vigorstrength   07/11/2005 02:48 PM     
  Yeah its M rating under 17s  
 
Sounds about right.

Anyone under that age shouldnt be playing it so theres no problem.
 
  by: Vistrix   07/11/2005 03:48 PM     
  Is the sex in the game consensual?  
 
If not then it is violent and effects us all...
 
  by: MmmMan     07/11/2005 03:57 PM     
  In the UK  
 
its 18+, so Koult was right, from his point of view.

The scene is concensual, you have to chat the women up aswell.

The point is this game could be available to all, RESPONSIBLE PARENTS would still check this game, and all games their children own, along with what dvd's they own ect ect.

Only irresponsible parents would leave their children alone to play a gam w9th no idea as to its content.
 
  by: Domo1 Mkii   07/11/2005 04:11 PM     
  @Mmm  
 
hahahaha...after watching that clip it seemed as that she really wanted it by screaming out things to him.

Now...if it wasn't consentual...I would request a refund and side w/these parental groups because it's never right to "make love" w/a woman if she doesn't want it.
 
  by: hotrock11     07/11/2005 04:12 PM     
  @nadyoung  
 
Plz refrain from using the words: "We christians...". As a christian I am on such an opposite end of the spectrum then you, I find it offensive to the extreme to have you try to represent me.
 
  by: kmazzawi     07/11/2005 04:29 PM     
  Oh i didn't know  
 
How can you guys have the FCC that fined all the stations that showed JJ's saggy boob hundreds of thousands of dollars.

and have another organisation that thinks GTA V can be played by children with an adult present, can i say lol?

and I’m not talking about this new unlocked sex minigame, I'm talking about the swearing, death and drugs etc

yikes
 
  by: koultunami     07/11/2005 04:34 PM     
  @vigorstrength  
 
All I’m suggesting, and may add that i find hysterical too, is that people are outraged by a game not because it contains the following:

Rampant drug taking, drug dealing, incredibly frequent death, murder, torture, people being run over by giant threshers, explosions, strippers, gang banging, drive bys, sex with prostitutes (although you only see the rocking car), severe beatings, hit and runs, killing civilians with harrier jump jets and apache helicopters, assassination missions, killing police officers and lots lots more

No, people are outraged because if you install an unofficial and 100% unauthorised mod that re-enables parts of the game that were removed by the developers, you can play a mini game where you try to pick up girls and have sex with them.

wow, just lol and wow
 
  by: koultunami     07/11/2005 04:44 PM     
  @koult  
 
There are plenty of people pissed off about the drugs and violence. I'm sure you know that. You are just hearing about the nudity complaints because they are new.
 
  by: t_strimp   07/11/2005 05:12 PM     
  Stupid.  
 
I was going to start with my take on religion but I can't be bothered now.

The game is an 18+ but minors can still get their hands on it for the PS2 and XBOX without their parents knowing (they can hide it). The only way a parent can tell what their child is playing on the game consoles is to know exactly how much money he or she has and how many games they have. If the money suddenly goes down by about £35, and their number of games haven't increased, then they're probably hiding one or are doing drugs.

So it is possible for a parent to watch what games their child plays (-13), it's just very difficult.

I don't think a child over 14 will be troubled by a game like GTA for the simple reason they will be old enough to tell that it is just a game. In my opinion, any 'child', over the age of 14, that goes out and kills somebody and then blames it on a film or game is just using that as an excuse. They had it in them to kill, it was a desire, and the game or film may have brought it out of them but did not cause them to have those desires.

I was playing 18+ games when I was five years old and I grew up just fine. I don't walk around swearing for no reason, I don't do drugs, I don't drink constantly, I don't rape, kill or steal, I'm not racist etc. I'm living proof that computer games and, especially films (I watched a load of 18+ with torture, horror etc), do not turn somebody into a raping, stealing, racist, murderer who worships Satan in his spare time.

When are people going to stop blaming the government, the magazines, the internet, films, computer games, and start blaming the 'children' - because they know exactly what they are doing? Everybody, no matter how young, knows that what they are seeing in a game isn't real. They know it isn't real because it doesn't look real, compared to the world around them they see it as un-reality. Now a virtual reality thing, that could do harm. Neural interfacing with a world that looks real, or a world that actually uses your memories of what a tree looks like etc to create a world, could (and probably would) harm you no matter how old you are.

Anyway, that said....

This patch works for the PC....with a PC a parent can tell what games a child is playing by simply checking the hard drive for newly installed software. No child will be able to hide their installed games from a parent who is looking.

And, of course, the other argument, this game is for 18+, the 'National institute on the media and family' should assume that the law is being upheld.
 
  by: GodLoki   07/11/2005 05:16 PM     
  @t_shrimp  
 
actually no, I havent read a single complaint about any of those things mentioned regarding GTA:SA

Sure i heard people pissing and bitching about GTA:3 and GTA:VC but not about GTA:SA. In fact the only news story i read was about a US politician saying it was rated wrong and should have been for adults only.

I kid you not... not one story...

(reviews for the game that go "eww too violent" don't count)
 
  by: koultunami     07/11/2005 05:34 PM     
  @Koult  
 
Just because you didn't watch it on NBC.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/...

They are getting less media attention because the majority of people don't care. Once the media realized this they no longer have a reason to show it.
 
  by: t_strimp   07/11/2005 05:40 PM     
  @nadsyoung 1/2  
 
“Personally, I find it hard to swallow that my ancestors climbed out of the sea on their bellies.”

- Just because you don’t understand science does not render it invalid. Nor does it make the existence of a deity any more likely. It would be like me saying, I have no idea how my car works, therefore it must have been created by a deity.

“Also hard to beleive is the planets perfectly aligned.”

- It’s also hard to believe that the trillions of stars and planets were created just to light the sky at night as referenced in Genesis. It’s also hard to believe that these stars were whipped into existence in the blink of an eye, when the Earth took a week to create.

“The construction of any living creature, tells me that even if there were a "Big Bang", that it took a super powerful being to do it! Something or someone, that most refer to as "God".”

- Well that is possible. But that doesn’t mean that this powerful being is the exact same god as depicted in the Bible and that everything in the Bible is true and correct to the exclusion of all other religions, opinions, and science.

”He even created the athesist! Beleive it or not, He loves all He created, to spite themselves. He gave up freedom of choice. Those that beleive in Him, have the power of prayer to try to wake people up, without saying a word!”

- So He creates atheists, knowing they will not believe and them has them tortured for eternity in hell for simply being the people He created them to be, that’s nice.

“Come Judgement day, I sure would hate to find out that I was wrong, IF, I was an atheist! Are you willing to lose your eternal salvation over your stubborness to at least listen or read a Bible and consider the possibility that God IS real?”

- I’d hate to waste my life believing a story book only to find it was not true. If God exists He knows the path my life will take and if He chooses to punish me for being what He created me to be then that is pretty damn sick.

“Myself, I'd rather say "Get behind me, satan, in Jesus' Name!" and get on with leading others to the Truth....GODS' Word! Not mans!”

- Wow, they’ve really got to you haven’t they? Out of interest though, why do you think that God allows Satan to exist? Also why do you think they picked the same deity name that was worshipped in some pre-Christian religions to represent evil?

“One thing for sure, we Christians have plenty of people to pray for! Thanks You!”

- Yes that is far better than doing something useful.

“The PARENTS should teach their kids about sex!”

- Well that’s all well and good, but not everyone lives in a perfect Christian family. Although I hear there are a number of priests out there that do a pretty good job of teaching children about sex.

“NOT some company trying to profit by making a beautiful thing like sex, turn our kids into rapist and molestors!”

- Somehow I don’t think that GTA:SA is going to create rapists and molesters. In fact I would suggest that more priests have molested children than people who have played this video game. I’m going to also hazard a guess that you’ve never actually played GTA:SA. So I am sure you don’t know anything more than what the media and your church has told you to think. I don’t know of any video game that is going to ‘turn’ our kids into rapists. That is just utter stupidity and naivety on your part.
 
  by: ZCT     07/11/2005 05:55 PM     
  @nadsyoung 2/2  
 
“Advertising uses (cheapens!) sex, money, violence and dis-order to corupt our kids! It's a shame most "parents" are too blind to see it!”

- Well that’s capitalism for you. But interestingly if you take other countries such as Iran with a deep spiritual and religious belief system they still have problems with sex, violence and other social problems. So I don’t think you can entirely blame western culture for what is happening.

”This world is sure going to hell in a heartbeat!”

- Why don’t you try to write something in your own words as opposed to some Christian buzz phrase your church has taught you?

“Society is out of control and no one seems to care!”

- No it is not, that is just the media and your church brainwashing you. The media likes to use ‘if it bleeds it leads’ they are looking for ratings at any cost in this country. What you see on the so called news is not a true depiction of what is happening all across the country. So you get a warped view from the media and then your church feeds off this to try and convince you that this is a sign of the end days. But for a second try and think back to the great war, world war one. Imagine those that lived though that that saw hundreds of thousands of people dying. Wouldn’t they think that society was falling apart? How about WWII with whole cities decimated by the bombing? Every generation has a set of problems to deal with; it doesn’t mean that you can simply dismiss what is going on as the end days.

“I don't try to use facy words to cut others down or try to insult their intelligence. I just add them to my prayer list!”

- Well don’t add me, I don’t need your pity or your prayers.

“Hopefully, some of you will wake up to reality before it's too late!”

- I find it ironic that after your posts you should talk about waking up to reality.

“I really hurt for you losers and your attitude towards law and order. Thanks though, because it gives me plenty to pray about! I Love it! Jesus IS Lord! Amen!”

- If often wondered if the more evangelical Christians have something to hide. The ones with the Jesus fish on their cars, and the God Is My Pilot license plates. To me those that make such a big deal about talking about God are either frauds or are insane. A true Christian has a special relationship with God and has no need to announce to the world how holy they are.

PRAISE THE LORD!



 
  by: ZCT     07/11/2005 05:55 PM     
  @ZCT  
 
(and pass the ammo!)

...you forgot that part.


By the way, I decided to buy the game now that I know it has sex in it. Violence offends me more, but I think sex is alrighty. Thank you Christian Groups! I will now proceed with the pillaging, looting, and making the sweet lovin'.
 
  by: theironboard     07/11/2005 06:10 PM     
  @t_strimp  
 
thanks for the assumption. I checked Google news for several pages of GTA:SA stories, I then checked other sites (even shortnews.com) and found nothing.

You managed to do so, well done, but this is the first time i've read it and i collate my news from a lot of places.
 
  by: koultunami     07/11/2005 06:12 PM     
  indeed  
 
now I've been informed this game is available on the pc, and has hidden extra's, I'll be sure to buy it.

Dont suppose it has multiplayer does it?
Damn GTA
 
  by: Domo1 Mkii   07/11/2005 06:15 PM     
  @nadyoung and zct  
 
@Zct: Well said.

@nadyoung: "You're Welcome! You're on my prayer list, too! God Bless!"

Awesome! And while you're chatting with your imaginary friends, you should remind Santa Clause that I really want a Corvette and failed to receive one last year.

Based on your posts, you're a tool.
 
  by: erasedgod   07/11/2005 06:18 PM     
  Is it really all that bad?  
 
What was that movie that said something to the effect of, "I sat and watched through the entire piece of filth... twice." LOL

Really, though, when I watched it, it reminded me of the scene in Team America when the marionette puppets were doing the same thing. No actual penetration or showing of the male genitalia.

To some that might sound sexist, but isn't an erect penis the current, minimum difference between R/NC-17 and X in the movies?
 
  by: BeyondtheTech     07/11/2005 06:42 PM     
  @erased  
 
...and a broken tool at that...
 
  by: StarShadow     07/11/2005 09:53 PM     
  @ZCT  
 
"Wow, they’ve really got to you haven’t they? Out of interest though, why do you think that God allows Satan to exist? Also why do you think they picked the same deity name that was worshipped in some pre-Christian religions to represent evil?"

- Which deity name? Are you saying the name God was chosen to represent evil in pre-Christian religions, or Satan?

Also, which religions?
 
  by: GodLoki   07/11/2005 10:17 PM     
  For those that have requested it  
 
GTA:SA is filth, it is degenerate, and it should be burned - all copies - along with the developers. It has no redeeming features.

It encourages players to immerse themselves in a world where violence is acceptable, gruesome and cold blooded murder is common place, and assassination contracts available. It encourages existence within the world of sex, drugs, gangs and murder. It places a value of '0' on human life and encourages the player to do the same.

While many games are unnecessary - gratiutiously - violent, GTA:SA is revolting in that the violence is not even in pursuit of a noble purpose but in the promotion of gangland culture!

To those who say "violent games and movies don't affect people" - poppycock. It has been proven that prolonged exposure to violent themes and visuals increases aggressive tendencies - this doesn't mean that you will go out and murder, it may manifest as no more than being more quick to anger, but that effect is there. Just because it is subtle doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Of course, the real issue is about balance, and that is something we don't have. Where are the games and movies promoting and highlighting good social behavior? Where is the focus on love and companionship in our media, over casual sex?

Inevitably, this is the path that leads into a vicious spiral - step by step.
 
  by: lauriesman     07/12/2005 12:56 AM     
  @godloki  
 
"- Which deity name? Are you saying the name God was chosen to represent evil in pre-Christian religions, or Satan?

Also, which religions?"

Satan comes from pagan belief... the name was Pan, "the horned god", also "god of the hunt". Pan is still part of the wiccan faith, wicca is a fairly new (offical) branch of paganism.


actually there are some people i've talked to that are traditional satanists (very different from modern satanists) that believe both "god" and "satan" however the roles are reversed as "god" is opressive whereas "satan" is considered the true representation of mankind in that (in their beleif) "he" accpets humans in their true nature, rather than on their knees.

i tend to refer to these as reverse christians... basically the same in every aspect except the roles of deities and which they worship.
 
  by: HAVOC666     07/12/2005 12:57 AM     
  @lauriesman: you don't know jack  
 
First of all, it's a GAME, rated for ADULTS.
With that out of the way, you haven't even played the game have you? the bulk of the story (yes, it has a story, and a damn good one) is about the main character going on a crusade to rid the streets of drugs and trying to stay legit.
Did you even know there's also racing? about the paramedic or the firefighter minigames? not everything in the game is about killing.
If you're gonna make such dumbass ignorant comments then you're no different from the nut-jobs that want to censor the media.
 
  by: Meltman   07/12/2005 01:17 AM     
  @lauriesman  
 
Completely disagree, but with a cavet.

What you say holds true, to a degree, in relation to this gmae being played by minors.

Prolonged exposure to violence, in developing children, increases agression. The same cannot be readily said about adults.

I am all for making laws that prohibit the sale or rental of violent videogames to minors. But banning them outright is ludicrous. To you ban violent movies and books as well? Not in a free society you don't.

As an adult, I enjoy the GTA series, and other games you would likely classify as obscenely violent, because I know it is fiction. Mature adults can make that distinction. And I would point out that demographically, there are now more adult gamers than there are children gamers.

You don't punish the majority because of the actions of a infitesimaly small minority.


 
  by: Dedolito     07/12/2005 01:19 AM     
  @lauriesman  
 
"For those that have requested it
GTA:SA is filth, it is degenerate, and it should be burned - all copies - along with the developers. It has no redeeming features.

It encourages players to immerse themselves in a world where violence is acceptable, gruesome and cold blooded murder is common place, and assassination contracts available. It encourages existence within the world of sex, drugs, gangs and murder. It places a value of '0' on human life and encourages the player to do the same."

personally i hate the whole game series but i disagree, the people that play these games as mentioned by another SN'er already have the desire to do this... it encourages nothing, it merely allows you to do it virtually... anyone with half a brain over even age 8 know the difference between reality and a game... only a moron wouldn't.

and as for putting a '0' value on human life, strange these people aren't saying the same about bombing iraq... that is showing and action on a '0' value on human life. not just playing a game.

also i find it funny how most gang members are religious, and for that matter in jail.

by chance would you like game titles such as:
"bible slinger" as a mock of paperboy, instead of delivering newpapers you deliver bible to the heathens... how fun...yawn

"verse blaster" - where you convert people by using bible verses, to get higher up in the church latter.

"armour of christ", mediveal large scale combat based on the crusades christians vs. the world.

"While many games are unnecessary - gratiutiously - violent, GTA:SA is revolting in that the violence is not even in pursuit of a noble purpose but in the promotion of gangland culture!"

again its a game if you don't like it don't buy it and don't let your kids buy it either... might want to blacklist the bible... its a very violent book... personally i think it advocates violence more than any game ever has. the reason i said that is i know your religious stance and i know its a major influences on yours and nadyoung's comments.

"To those who say "violent games and movies don't affect people" - poppycock. It has been proven that prolonged exposure to violent themes and visuals increases aggressive tendencies - this doesn't mean that you will go out and murder, it may manifest as no more than being more quick to anger, but that effect is there. Just because it is subtle doesn't mean it doesn't exist."

actually it has a desensitizing effect, not an increase in violent tendancies... those tendancies are already present.

"Of course, the real issue is about balance, and that is something we don't have. Where are the games and movies promoting and highlighting good social behavior? Where is the focus on love and companionship in our media, over casual sex?"

good social behavior doen't sell seats, sex and violence do... look at the news... good stories vs. bad stories... on any given day there will always be more bad news than good news... no ratings in good news.

"Inevitably, this is the path that leads into a vicious spiral - step by step."

unfortunately its bad logic... maybe not faulty but bad... the people that don't have a desire to do whats in the game wont even play the game... the people that do might... personally i like going online in Halo 2 and killing the shit out of random people... i don't mind animated violence... however i do mind the cheating little twirps that refuse the play the game as intended, or the racist people.

i've noticed alot of people that claim to be US military men going to and back from iraq playing Halo 2, they might be bullshiting... they might not, don't much matter to me, however i wouldn't doubt it. those people tend to be in the arrogant, annoying group that actively participate in humping (squating constantly overtop of a person you kill for about 3 second while they can see you... kind of a "gay" tendancy don't you think... those people annoy me, not quite as much as cheaters however.

video game and movie violence are ok by me, i don't go out shooting at people... personally i don't like guns... i find them less civilized than the sword, and exponentially less civil than the fist, rather cowardly a weapon... however less cowardly than bombs (american weapon of choice; outside of the public, gun being the weapon of choice for the public).

i like how blowing stuff up is ok (as long as it not yours or maybe a friend of yours, however its just plain wrong in a video-game... i think they got that flipped ass-backwards.

its not ok to going bombing countries... yes its ok to blow shit up in a video game... its not real... and like i said anyone over age 8 with half a brain knows this.

i'm sure your over age 8, i know from other topic you have more than half a brain why is virtual reality so offensive?
 
  by: HAVOC666     07/12/2005 01:37 AM     
  inspired by the moral crusaders  
 
I have decided to install this mod, where can i get it from? :D
 
  by: koultunami     07/12/2005 01:56 AM     
  what the ..  
 
I for one love GTA. I have played and clocked all of them except I am only ½ way through SA. I started playing the first one years ago. I was raised fine, but parents didn't know what games I played. I was the computer person in my house. My parents had to ask me to show them what I was doing.. That’s like asking bush to tell you his past or future plans and expect a straight answer. The other thing was since i had the internet at 10 and had already been on computers for years, i knew where to go to get the games, get the porn, see what i wanted to see. I even had a lock on the computer room door. From the over exposed situation i was in, i was by far the more mature person among my pears and they still consider me to be.

It comes down to common sense. Yes all your religious zealots have to make the world suck for the rest of us because you are scared of dying - which also makes me laugh.

If the spirit is every lasting, then why the f do you want to be on in this realm, when you can live for eternity in the 'REAL realm. I mean all Christians would be lining up to kill themselves before they sin so they can get a clean slate into heaven. If the god is who they say it is, then we are just imaginary objects projected by the false realm.

@Fundamentalist Christians

Seriously, kill yourself and send me a postcard. Then I be 'enlighten and bow down to your stupidity.
 
  by: |roach|   07/12/2005 02:25 AM     
  @roach  
 
I'm pretty sure that suicide is a straight road to hell. At least thats what I gatehr from most christians.
 
  by: t_strimp   07/12/2005 02:51 AM     
  The truth  
 
I am writing this letter because I take issue with some of Grand Theft Auto's paroxysms. In the text that follows, when I quote from Grand Theft Auto, I will use the word "excrement" in place of another word which is now apparently permitted in general circulation publications, and which I have edited out. It is clear from what I have already written that one can consecrate one's life to the service of a noble idea or a glorious ideology. Grand Theft Auto, however, is more likely to defy the rules of logic.

My argument gets a little complicated here. When I look back I think, "Grand Theft Auto's initiatives are dangerous to my health." If Grand Theft Auto honestly believes that some of my points are not valid, I would love to get some specific feedback from it. Sure, some of Grand Theft Auto's anecdotes are valid, but that's not the point. Grand Theft Auto's stories about nepotism are particularly ridden with errors and distortions, even leaving aside the concept's initial implausibility.

I challenge all of the unprofessional twits out there to consider this: The facts as I see them simply do not support the false, but widely accepted, notion that a plausible excuse is a satisfactory substitute for performance. While this country still has far to go before people are truly judged on the content of their character, Grand Theft Auto uses isolated incidents to make fatuous, all-encompassing claims about its adversaries. It vehemently denies that, of course. But it obviously would, because if you ever ask it to do something, you can bet that your request will get lost in the shuffle, unaddressed, ignored, and rebuffed. That's all I have time now to write. If you want to get more insight into Grand Theft Auto's mentality, though, then study the details of its criticisms. Try to see the big picture: It will amaze you. It will take your breath away. And it will convince you that it is our responsibility to ensure that Grand Theft Auto doesn't overthrow western civilization through the destruction of its four pillars -- family, nation, religion, and democracy.
 
  by: t_strimp   07/12/2005 02:53 AM     
  @t_shrimp  
 
Leave the generator alone man.. you'll go blind!
 
  by: lauriesman     07/12/2005 03:36 AM     
  @others  
 
If you didn't detect my dry tone, I did my job too well. Just to clear it up, I was being sarcastic (mostly)

My comment about balance though, is still valid.
 
  by: lauriesman     07/12/2005 03:38 AM     
  @t_shrimp  
 
"If you want to get more insight into Grand Theft Auto's mentality, though, then study the details of its criticisms. Try to see the big picture: It will amaze you. It will take your breath away. And it will convince you that it is our responsibility to ensure that Grand Theft Auto doesn't overthrow western civilization through the destruction of its four pillars -- family, nation, religion, and democracy."

if you are honestly and wholeheartly concerned a game is going to overthrow western culture you need professional help, seriously.

"...doesn't overthrow western civilization through the destruction of its four pillars -- family, nation, religion, and democracy."

personally if there are 4 pillars of western culture... wouldn't be one on my list... i find it odd how religion is ahead of human rights. call it what you will but thats assuming everyone is religious... if you think that your ignorant (atheists/agnostics/nihilists). being ruled by religion is unconstitution. laws may be similar but they don't originally come from the bible, the code of hammurabi, predates the bible, and consisted of well-defined laws and punishments about 680 i think, there were many laws on stealing depending on the items stolen.

the laws of american may be in the bible may have been inspired by such but they weren't originally from the bible... however most of the bible isn't originally from the bible.

family would go after human rights (human rights are or should be the fundamentals for human rights), democracy, if you pride yourself on having a democratic country this comes before your country, otherwise its not really your country, btw the US is a poor example of democracy, then nation, once said nation has the preceding 3 one should be able to fight to preserve it from threat, GTA:SA isn't a threat. i'd say fundamental religion asserting itself unwantedly is a greater threat beit christian/muslim or otherwise than a video game, but thats just my thinking.
 
  by: HAVOC666     07/12/2005 03:51 AM     
  @Havoc  
 
Wow... I didn't think anyone would bite.

I will not waste my time criticizing or insulting Havoc as 1) he is unlikely to change, and 2) Havoc probably revels in the letters of shock and repulsion that he regularly receives. Instead, I will focus on his perfidious ballyhoos, which, after all, are the things that show a clear lack of respect not just for those brave souls who fought and died for what they believed in, but also for you, the readers of this letter. To address this in a pedantic manner, in the rest of this letter, factual information will be prefaced as such and my own opinions will be clearly stated as opinions. For instance, it is a fact that what we have been imparting to him -- or what he has been eliciting from us -- is a half-submerged, barely intended logic, contaminated by wishes and tendencies we prefer not to acknowledge. Every time he tries, Havoc gets increasingly successful in his attempts to label everyone he doesn't like as a racist, sexist, fascist, communist, or some equally terrible "-ist". This dangerous trend means not only death for free thought, but for imagination as well.

For those who need very specific examples in order to grasp the significance of his ultimata, I'll give a very specific example: Think for a moment about the way that ignorance is bliss. This may be why his faithfuls are generally all smiles. For reasons which I will adumbrate presently, incendiarism is dangerous. Havoc's irresponsible version of it is doubly so. It is certainly the height of ironies that Havoc's disciples are too lazy to upbraid Havoc for being so militant. They just want to sit back, fasten their mouths on the public teats, and casually forget that throughout history, there has been a clash between those who wish to push a consistent vision that responds to most people's growing fears about what I call ugly kleptomaniacs and those who wish to place hopeless cocky-types at the top of the social hierarchy. Naturally, Havoc belongs to the latter category. I overheard one of his brethren say, "Brainless shysters are inherently good, sensitive, creative, and inoffensive." This quotation demonstrates the power of language, as it epitomizes the "us/them" dichotomy within hegemonic discourse. As for me, I prefer to use language to pursue virtue and knowledge.

Havoc is out to supplant national heroes with sophomoric, Pecksniffian cretins. And when we play his game, we become accomplices. The comparison between him and the worst kinds of immature bribe-seekers I've ever seen is remarkable, and that's one reason why I'm writing this letter. Although Havoc has never inscribed his name on the Parthenon of human excellence, either mental or moral, we are here to gain our voice in this world, and whether or not he approves, we will continue to be heard.
 
  by: t_strimp   07/12/2005 04:27 AM     
  CHRISTIAN VIEW  
 
Hello i am the AwesomestChristian.

[deleted by admin]
 
  by: AwesomestChristian   07/12/2005 04:28 AM     
  I hope you are joking.  
 
If not I'd like to remind you that Jesus is a Jew. So by hating Jews you hate Jesus the Virgin Mary and Joseph.
 
  by: jaded fox     07/12/2005 04:53 AM     
  @  
 
"@Havoc
Wow... I didn't think anyone would bite.

I will not waste my time criticizing or insulting Havoc as 1) he is unlikely to change, and 2) Havoc probably revels in the letters of shock and repulsion that he regularly receives. Instead, I will focus on his perfidious ballyhoos, which, after all, are the things that show a clear lack of respect not just for those brave souls who fought and died for what they believed in, but also for you, the readers of this letter. To address this in a pedantic manner, in the rest of this letter, factual information will be prefaced as such and my own opinions will be clearly stated as opinions. For instance, it is a fact that what we have been imparting to him -- or what he has been eliciting from us -- is a half-submerged, barely intended logic, contaminated by wishes and tendencies we prefer not to acknowledge. Every time he tries, Havoc gets increasingly successful in his attempts to label everyone he doesn't like as a racist, sexist, fascist, communist, or some equally terrible "-ist". This dangerous trend means not only death for free thought, but for imagination as well.

For those who need very specific examples in order to grasp the significance of his ultimata, I'll give a very specific example: Think for a moment about the way that ignorance is bliss. This may be why his faithfuls are generally all smiles. For reasons which I will adumbrate presently, incendiarism is dangerous. Havoc's irresponsible version of it is doubly so. It is certainly the height of ironies that Havoc's disciples are too lazy to upbraid Havoc for being so militant. They just want to sit back, fasten their mouths on the public teats, and casually forget that throughout history, there has been a clash between those who wish to push a consistent vision that responds to most people's growing fears about what I call ugly kleptomaniacs and those who wish to place hopeless cocky-types at the top of the social hierarchy. Naturally, Havoc belongs to the latter category. I overheard one of his brethren say, "Brainless shysters are inherently good, sensitive, creative, and inoffensive." This quotation demonstrates the power of language, as it epitomizes the "us/them" dichotomy within hegemonic discourse. As for me, I prefer to use language to pursue virtue and knowledge.

Havoc is out to supplant national heroes with sophomoric, Pecksniffian cretins. And when we play his game, we become accomplices. The comparison between him and the worst kinds of immature bribe-seekers I've ever seen is remarkable, and that's one reason why I'm writing this letter. Although Havoc has never inscribed his name on the Parthenon of human excellence, either mental or moral, we are here to gain our voice in this world, and whether or not he approves, we will continue to be heard. "

you attribute too much too me... but thank you...lol

i have disciples... i wasn't aware. i know people may agree with me from time to time but you should know that i disagree with those same people on other issue... they aren't following me... atleast i hope there not...lol... i'm certianly not asking them or going to any great lengths to convince them either.

i feel ten IQ points higher having read that.

btw, where is your name inscribed on the Parthenon of human excellence?
 
  by: HAVOC666     07/12/2005 05:30 AM     
  prior message to t_shrimp N/T  
 
N/T
 
  by: HAVOC666     07/12/2005 05:31 AM     
  @havoc  
 
In case you didnt know it, t_shrimp's last two posts were created with a generator :P you got suckered.
 
  by: lauriesman     07/12/2005 03:24 PM     
  @lauriesman  
 
Damnit! I was hoping to get one more in!
 
  by: t_strimp   07/12/2005 04:16 PM     
  Ah  
 
That's pretty messed up. I was wondering what the hell he was ranting on about...

http://www.pakin.org/...
 
  by: treyjazz   07/12/2005 07:03 PM     
  @lauriesman  
 
i was giving t_shrimp the benifit of the doubt in that he was more intelligent (diction-wise) than he was letting on, i was wrong... it happens from time to time.

btw, i still want to know where t_shrimps name is inscribed on the Parthenon of human excellence?...lol
 
  by: HAVOC666     07/12/2005 07:15 PM     
  @treyjazz  
 
damn i was going to get him to write my resume with those fancy words...lol

that thing mad him sound more intelligent with some of those words... absolutely crazy aswell...

lol... i have disciples... do i have 12 also?...lol
 
  by: HAVOC666     07/12/2005 07:19 PM     
  @Havoc  
 
So you're saying your resume consits of absolutely nothing hidden behind eloquent words? And here I thought the internet was all about bragging about unprovable deeds and accomplishments. It's nice to see the truth can still be found on the internet every once in a while.
 
  by: t_strimp   07/12/2005 10:36 PM     
  Just think  
 
they're so concerned with warning everyone about this that they're letting all the kids know that it's there.
 
  by: jaded fox     07/13/2005 03:51 AM     
  @t_shrimp  
 
mostly not... although games are under my specials interests ... not as games obviously... but rather as interactive enterianment media... pads well...lol

i also have gold reclaimation of electronic circuitry, however thats not using and fancy words, but rather a literial description.
 
  by: HAVOC666     07/13/2005 03:53 AM     
  um  
 
i walked up on 2 people having sex on the beach a few nights ago...
if what all thies groups are sayings then i should haved humped the shit out of something by now right?
cuz i mean viedo games makes us killers so seeing sex must make up rapers (not rappers) this is pisisng me off i hate parents who cant handle there kids
 
  by: taylorbarrett   07/17/2005 07:27 PM     
  So...  
 
So what, games have had content like this for years... Look at the "Shower Scene" in the Tomb Raider games, and the "Nudeality" code for Mortal Kombat... This is an old way of "Sex Sells" the only reason the media is latching on to it is because this is a big name game and company and they make money by reporting it and getting people watching.... Its your choice what you see... If you dont want to see it dont unlock it and if the parents cant control or at least monitor what their kids are doing on the internet (downloading the patch) then they are more at fault then Rockstar Games is.
 
  by: csin   07/19/2005 11:23 AM     
  @csin  
 
Actually 'nudealities' were just a myth. Here is another game with hidden nudity though: http://www.geocities.com/...
 
  by: treyjazz   07/19/2005 05:41 PM     
 
 
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