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11/07/2005 10:10 PM ID: 51127 Permalink   

Vatican Rejects Intelligent Design


The faithful should heed modern science and to guard against religion crossing over to "fundamentalism" if it ignores scientific reasoning, said Cardinal Poupard, head of the Vatican Pontifical Council for Culture at a news conference.

Science should also listen to religion. The atomic bomb and cloning are from reason with no "ethical or religious link," Puopard noted. When asked about intelligent design, Mons. Basti quoted John Paul II, evolution was "more than just a hypothesis."

The Council was inspired by Pope John Paul II's assertion that the church's denunciation of Galileo was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension." Galileo was condemned for supporting Copernicus's theory of the earth orbiting the sun.

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this won't make a difference to the conservative right. they hate catholics just as much as they hate science.
  by: manilaryce     11/07/2005 10:48 PM     
  Ok, while I agree about the atom bomb..  
I don't really agree with him on cloning. The atom bomb can just be used to destroy, but cloning can be used to create... like we could clone the do-do bird, since we did hunt it to extinction... along with a whole bunch of other species that we've killed off.
  by: tellgar     11/07/2005 11:17 PM     
Hmm, I think your argument here might do more to arm detractors of cloning than to disarm them. We've seen what can happen when we try to mess with animal distribution on earth. Reintroducing extinct species would likely be just as disastrous as the times we've moved species from one area to another. Such animals are gone and the world has readjusted. Remember, "Sometimes dead is better."

Then again, perhaps you're talking about bringing such species back for preservation/research/historical purposes...but that opens other ethical and ecological questions.
  by: MomentOfClarity     11/07/2005 11:58 PM     
  Reintroduction isn't always a bad thing.  
For example there are a lot of attempts to cultivate indigenous plant populataion but they are haveing problems because of the extinction of the normal insects or whotnot that usually spreads pollen.
  by: Jaded Fox     11/08/2005 12:04 AM     
  only 1  
i had thought it was whatever you believe or is that right taken away from us as well now its only whatever we decide than give me proof that what i believe is wrong .its ok leave it to the government they know best and they dont lie or the courts .i had thought our revolution from the british was over now its our govt who is the enemy they know it all and dont any1 fight them or you will be put in jail and never be heard from again sshhhhhhhhhh lolonly the truth folks i am only the messenger
  by: bnke   11/08/2005 01:48 AM     
  takes courage to admit i have no clue  
at least the church has decided it was wrong not to accept science but to welcome and appreciate whatevewr brain our creator had decided to give us a thought or wherever you may believe it comes from o well im lost some1 help find me i cant think i cant decide for my own an your thinking may help me or bury me deeper
  by: bnke   11/08/2005 01:54 AM     
in the source he criticizes "human cloning" not just cloning in general.
  by: manilaryce     11/08/2005 04:36 AM     
  maybe this is part of the church's master plan  
to win back disillusioned american christians from other sects by shooting down the bastards known as the religious right. the church has learned from centuries of secularism where not to tread. do the world a favor and shoot down a fundie today (be he christian, jewish, or muslim)
  by: cellardweller1   11/08/2005 05:12 AM     
  Catholics and the Religious Right  
I'm Catholic and I guess many would consider me part of the "religious right". In fact, many Catholics that I know "belong" to the "religious right"
  by: bugmenot   11/08/2005 07:02 AM     
guess that depends where you're from. i'm a catholic and most catholics i know are liberal.

if you look at catholic doctrine it's very much in opposition to the christian right. the church is against the war in iraq and against capital punishment. the only thing that drives catholics to the right is the abortion issue. but that's just one issue which the right and the church agree on when compared to the dozens of others they disagree on.
  by: manilaryce     11/08/2005 07:17 AM     
Someone tell Kansas about this...
  by: StarShadow     11/09/2005 03:35 PM     
  A few missing bits...  
I live in Rome, the city where the Pope lives. So, maybe, I can give you some bits of "local" information apparently lacking...

We had a referendum here in Italy, this summer. It was about a new law, written side by side with vatican people (rumors reported it to be prepared in the living room of a notorious cardinal). The law prohibited - amongst the rest - "therapeuthical cloning". In other words, cloning stem cells from freezed embrions; these cells would have been used by medical reasearch to cure deseases like alzheimer or genetical deseases.

For the news, referendum was lost by the promoters, because the Vatican spend defintely a lot of money in an astensionism campaign.

That's what "cloning" stands for.

And, IMHO, that's what Religious Right stands for.
  by: arielk   11/16/2005 12:50 PM     
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