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Rumsfeld: Chávez like Hitler

 

U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld compared the President of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, with Adolf Hitler while speaking at the National Press Club in Washington.

Responding to a question about the rise of left-wing politics in South American countries Donald Rumsfeld claimed that the rise of corruption caused the people to look for "populist" leaders.

About Chávez he said: "He's a person who was elected legally, just as Adolph Hitler was elected legally, and then consolidated power, and now is, of course, working closely with Fidel Castro and Mr. Morales and others. It concerns me."

 
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  the irony  
 
All the comparisons that have been made between the Bush administration and Hitler pre-WWII and now Rumsfeld is making these statements...
 
  by: jendres     02/03/2006 06:29 AM     
  you have to love it  
 
This guy is in another world, the comparrisons with the third Reich and this Bush administration are very scarey indeed.
With the new findings of the 9/11 attack coming to light, you really have to wonder.
The comparrison of Chevez to Hitler is somewhat amusing, sounds more like he has ran out of way's to try to make someone look evil, compare him to Hitler, That will do it !
The US if discovering much of the world is not in favour of it's bully boy tactics and the likes of China is building good relations in that region.
I do believe they (Bush Admin)are concerned, it's all starting to slip away.
Hard to manipulate when all these countries have an agenda that does not include corporate America.
So we better start making them out to be a threat or evil so we can then have an excuse to use military action.
 
  by: Thinking   02/03/2006 07:32 AM     
  What to do about Hugo ....wheres the script?  
 
Looks like the wheels are in motion for the demonisation of Chavez , I suspect this will follow the modus operandi they used from Milosevic et al . The Hitler name calling was the start of that one as well and the media just went along with what turned out to be a load of false and twisted information.
In the next few days see if anyone in the White House mentions Chavez without mentioning Castro. They’ve had so long to paint him as the antichrist that people just accept it without delving any further. So by relating him constantly to Castro they’ll try to paint Chavez as a dictator (except he keeps winning landslide elections and the vast majority of his people actually want him in office) .

When Hitler came to power he smashed Labor unions and worked nice and snuggly with Big Business and the corporate elite . Looks like Rummy and his mates have more in common with Hitler than Chavez ever will , taking into account that Chavez (despite whatever they might say) actually won the elections where as Rummy and George are sitting on a legacy of stolen undemocratic and highly dubious elections with a current popularity rate which if it isn’t the lowest in US history it surely must come close.

Oh and Laurie …there’s your “concern” comment again tell me is this saber rattling or what ?
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/03/2006 09:18 AM     
  @Bush's Grandfather  
 
Apparently G.W Bush's grandfather channelled money directly to Adolf Hitler prior and during the war...now I don't have the specifics on it but he did deal with Hitler in one form or the other...and Rumsfeld has the nerve to say this..It's just bizarre...when he writes on a torture document "If I stand 8 hours a day, why shouldn't they?"

The both of them are not worth listening to. Rumsfeld has got to be one of the most sneakest...ah forget it...Go team!
 
  by: Mr-Anderson   02/03/2006 10:02 AM     
  @NonContributor  
 
Mr Anderson is correct in that Prescott Bush, George Snr Father was a board member of Union Banking,and his paternal grandfather George Herbert Walker, President of Union bank.They laundered money for the Nazi's and as a result they were investigated and all shares in Union banking were seized under the trading with enemy act.
So George Jnr has a great grandfather and a grandfather they were Nazi supporters.
 
  by: Thinking   02/03/2006 02:11 PM     
  .  
 
along with some of the rockerfeller family.. really powerful rich folk just seem to have a finger in every pie
 
  by: pornohippy   02/03/2006 02:54 PM     
  “the rise of corruption  
 
caused the people to look for "populist" leaders”
That actually sounds like a good idea. Maybe we should try that here in the states.
Rummy the Dummy has it all wrong, Chavez is a socialist so he would be more like Stalin, Bush is a fascist so he is more like Hitler. Guess he didn’t pay much attention in school.
 
  by: Valkyrie123     02/03/2006 03:44 PM     
  yeah ...  
 
Remember the time Hitler took a big loss on heating oil so that the Polish poor didn't freeze during the winter?
 
  by: l´anglais     02/03/2006 05:00 PM     
  @l'anglais  
 
Lol
 
  by: tellgar     02/03/2006 05:19 PM     
  @NonContributor  
 
Listen to Thinking because he is right. The Bush Family had many of their assets frozen because the federal gov. enacted the 'Trading with the Enemy' act and they were funneling money to the nazis.

Just do a search on your favorite search engine for 'Trading with the Enemy' and Bush Family and you will get your proof.

Plus with the Enabling Act er I mean Patriot Act, the Bush admin is performing more actions that are similar to Hitlers Reich than Chavez has.
 
  by: slavefortheman     02/03/2006 07:04 PM     
  Now I respect Chavez...  
 
But he has nowhere near the respect I hold for Hitler. Chavez is the completely opposite blah blah blah don't need to state why as it's already said.

Bush, however, comparable to Hitler? That's like the speed of a tyke on a big wheel compared to a McLaren F1. Bush is a pupet, Hitler worked.

"With the new findings of the 9/11 attack coming to light, you really have to wonder."
NEW findings? Ha!
More like people are starting to think, read between the lines, and it's now only being spread throughout the mass population.
Oh well, you guys are too late. The republicans have already successfully robbed you of billions. Enjoy your recession!
Wait, that's going to have international backlash, damn you ignorants!
 
  by: Syphon   02/03/2006 10:13 PM     
  l'anglais  
 
LOL I was thinking the same thing.
 
  by: banshee9898     02/03/2006 10:28 PM     
  Derr Rumsfeld  
 
Just validated Chevez
 
  by: ichi     02/03/2006 11:21 PM     
  Rumsfeld on the money...  
 
I dont agree with the Bush administration but Chavez is definately a scumbag just like Hitler was.
 
  by: Drudge   02/04/2006 04:23 AM     
  @Drudge  
 
My, what a provocative comment, one which I'm sure you'll be happy to explain. How?
 
  by: momentofclarity     02/04/2006 04:27 AM     
  ...  
 
Chavez enacted a law which criminalized anti-government dissent. The private press is constantly derided by Chavez as defying "public order", and thus allows the government to shut down news organizations without explanation or review. These methods are all part of Chavez’s "Bolivarian" political philosophy, which represents a dangerous mix of Maoist-Marxist-populist dogma. Chavez has recruited thugs to intimidate, assault, and even kill enemies of his "Bolivarian Revolution". Finaly to obtain absolute power he appointed 17 judges and has hinted at his willingness to alter the constitution in order to declare himself "President for Life"
 
  by: Drudge   02/04/2006 05:12 AM     
  yeah  
 
its like a 4 year sentence for "slander" The Daily Show had a bit about chavez and the anti war mom it was pretty funny.

The "White Collard" Headline.
http://www.comedycentral.com/...
 
  by: Emp3r0r     02/04/2006 06:15 AM     
  @Drudge  
 
mind showing some links? Rather than quoting right-wing blogs and passing it off as your own...

http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/...

Considering the Venezuelan constition requires the media to be timely and truthful with their representations this is a very hard claim to believe.
 
  by: jendres     02/04/2006 06:44 AM     
  Not to be picky  
 
"and then consolidated power" isn't that what the Bush Administration doing? I believe the Bush Administration said, they want to give more power back that they lost in the 60's and 70's.
 
  by: s0n0fagun   02/04/2006 07:20 AM     
  @drudge  
 
You should watch "The revolution will not be televised"... Chavez doesn't outlaw the press, actually you can see in that movie, the press bad mouthing Chavez left and right, and he doesn't have them killed, imprisoned, or anything of the sort.

@Emp3r0r
Yeah, I saw that too, John Daily is a funny guy, but often enough, his news reporting is comedy and isn't really the truth. Probably the reason he is on comedy central.
 
  by: tellgar     02/04/2006 08:21 AM     
  @moc  
 
"My, what a provocative comment, one which I'm sure you'll be happy to explain. How?"

A few hours ago, I was going to post a sarcastic reply/comment like "Because they said so! Duh!" and now I see it would have been so true to his view!
 
  by: lynxdk   02/04/2006 09:37 AM     
  tellgar  
 
Do you watch “The Daily Show” at all?

Jon Stewart (the host/anchor) does mix jokes in with the truth but it’s usually pretty easy to tell the difference.

“Anyone who offends with his words or in writing or in any other way disrespects the President of the Republic or whomever is fulfilling his duties will be punished with prison of 6 to 30 months if the offense is serious and half of that if it is light”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
 
  by: Emp3r0r     02/04/2006 01:22 PM     
  @emperor  
 
hahahaha.... you posted a link to the washington post. I'll trump it:

http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/...
 
  by: jendres     02/04/2006 01:59 PM     
   
   
  by: Emp3r0r     02/04/2006 02:05 PM     
  @Drudge  
 
"Chavez enacted a law which criminalized anti-government dissent. The private press is constantly derided by Chavez as defying "public order", and thus allows the government to shut down news organizations without explanation or review. These methods are all part of Chavez’s "Bolivarian" political philosophy, which represents a dangerous mix of Maoist-Marxist-populist dogma. Chavez has recruited thugs to intimidate, assault, and even kill enemies of his "Bolivarian Revolution". Finaly to obtain absolute power he appointed 17 judges and has hinted at his willingness to alter the constitution in order to declare himself "President for Life"

You have described George Bush very accurately.
 
  by: lurker     02/04/2006 02:37 PM     
  @emp  
 
And?
 
  by: jendres     02/04/2006 02:45 PM     
  and...  
 
reading is like good... :)

Don’t get me wrong I don’t think Chavez is Hitler. I just think he is far over rated. He’s just a blowhard playing to the crowd.

@lurker
Chavez does sound little like Bush minus Bush’s big business dry humping.
 
  by: Emp3r0r     02/04/2006 03:17 PM     
  What is going on?  
 
Where did the comments from NonContributor go? should be 5th comment.
 
  by: Thinking   02/04/2006 04:25 PM     
  @emperor  
 
How about some real proof to back up your story?

Instead of having news articles that claim that he "could" arrest the media, show me one article, just one, that talks about him actually doing it? Personally I looked around, and although I can find many articles saying he can, I haven't found one that says he has.

Oh, and yes, I do watch the daily show, I Tivo it every single day. Do you watch the daily show? It's a comedy. While some of it is true, most of what they talk about is exaggerated, or they give a very limited amounts of information, or just changed to be funnier. Which to me is the whole point of the show. Funny is more important than accurate, since it isn't really a news show.
 
  by: tellgar     02/04/2006 08:43 PM     
  @emperor 2  
 
On a side note.. If you watch the revolution will be televised, there is a part in there, where the public media in venezuela, faked video to make it look like Chavez supporters were firing on an opposition's protest, when in fact, the Chavez supporters were getting snipered and the opposition's protest was nowhere in the area.

After seeing that, I could see why he would want a law like this, but not use it. Basically it could act as a balance to keep the media honest, without having to actually arrest them.
 
  by: tellgar     02/04/2006 08:49 PM     
  @oh and one more thing...  
 
Yeah, I put in the wrong name before, and called him john daily... I blame the golf game I was working on all day, which had John Daly as one of the characters.
 
  by: tellgar     02/04/2006 08:54 PM     
  at least  
 
I pointed to an article and had a few links. Ignore them if you want I don’t care.

I don’t think he’s a dictator he’s playing to a crowd like any politician. Some make him out to be some sort of savior. However there are many people in Venezuela that bitterly appose him. The only reason he is in power at all is because of his social programs.

I have yet to see Bush push media law allowing the jailing of his opposition.
 
  by: Emp3r0r     02/04/2006 09:33 PM     
  ~  
 
I think that Jon Stewart should just accept that he has a responsibility to ask - for example, presidential candidates - good questions if he is going to sit there and make fun of people who don't. Also it would be nice if he could stick to not being misleading, because there is plenty of hilarious real stuff.

Anyway, Chavez is awesome.
 
  by: Fratley   02/04/2006 09:35 PM     
  @emperor  
 
I read through your links, and from what you put in, it said he "could" imprison the media, not that he has.

There are some in his country who bitterly appose him. Mostly the rich. There are many in his country that love him. Mostly the poor.

The poor make up about 80% of the population, so I would have to say that most of his people, support him.

And no, he's not a dictator. Venezula is a consititutional federal republic. The same type of government that we have.

On bush and freedom of the press, what about the patriot act, that removed parts of our "freedom of the press". What about Judith Miller and Valerie Plame? You have a CIA agent who was revealed by someone very high up (Probably because she told the administration that there were not WMDs in Iraq before the war started), and a reporter who was jailed.
 
  by: tellgar     02/04/2006 09:57 PM     
  Judith Miller  
 
was jailed because she failed to comply with an investigation that could have hurt this administration.

She didn't talk the, administration didn't want here to talk so whats your point? And her source a bush buddy is up for 30 years if convicted.

"Mostly the rich." yeah so the 40% of the country that didnt vote for him are rich...
 
  by: Emp3r0r     02/04/2006 10:05 PM     
  @emperor  
 
"yeah so the 40% of the country that didnt vote for him are rich..."

Actually, you could imply that, 40% of the people that voted, that didn't vote for him, were most likely rich. Only half the people voted, the other half didn't.

I wouldn't be surprised, if many of the poor in venezuela don't vote, even though they are registered. I've read about other countries where the poor are in the majority of the population, but the majority of people who actually vote are made up of the middle and upper classes. I think India was one of the countries that I was reading about.

"Judith Miller was jailed because she failed to comply with an investigation that could have hurt this administration."

And Chavez's law allows him to imprison reporters that could hurt his administration... But then again, Chavez hasn't jailed them, while Bush has. That's my point.
 
  by: tellgar     02/04/2006 10:32 PM     
  @emp  
 
If you read the wikipedia article, you'll notice that there is always a "as claimed by..." with the criticism.

That is the point, there is an intensive media campaign to discredit this guy. There is nothing substantial. There are countries in worse situation than venezuela, but the western media prints headlines like "Axis of Evil the western hemisphere version" for Chavez and Castro.

I mean really wtf? Now we have comparisons with Hitler. Why all this crap? Because of the money! American businesses are loosing money! When i say loosing, I mean not raping the country as much as they had in the past. While exxonMobile make billions of dollars in profits, the people of venezuela have a minimum wage of around $200 per month. (After the increase by Chavez.) Chavez has also increased the tax on the oil from 1% to 1.6%.
 
  by: jendres     02/04/2006 11:39 PM     
  Been there, done that  
 
Administration officials describing other world leaders as "Hitler like" is nothing new. This accusation has been awarded to the President of Iran as well. I vaguely remember them also calling Castro, Bin Laden, and/or Saddam this, but I may be mistaken.
 
  by: banshee9898     02/05/2006 12:17 AM     
  Chavez and Bush  
 
are two of a kind, or as I've said before - Chavez is a mini-Bush.

The one thing that Chavez has in common with Hitler that Bush doesn't is that Chavez is a charismatic speaker. Bush is the least charismatic politician ive ever seen - I'll even give Kerry the edge on that (vomit, hurl).

Both Bush and Chavez probably belief in the paths they are walking, unfortunately as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
 
  by: lauriesman     02/05/2006 12:45 AM     
  Free Media  
 
Free media means anyone can use it. If I am a leader and another country is conducting terror activities against me (ie:illegal war), and that country turns and try to buy its way into my media, then I am shutting down "El Journero".

If someone disagree with that act, please tell me when was news outlets ever 'free' from nationalistic interference during a war.

And never forget, media has a customer and a product. The customer is the guy paying the bills (That is never the person flipping channels or paying 50cents), and the product is your opinion (the person flipping channels and paying 50cents). Anything in between is a balance act.

Also remember in 1984, there was always a constant war among 3 countries. A war that can never be won and will never be won for exactly that reason.
 
  by: kmazzawi     02/05/2006 01:18 AM     
  and...  
 
hes still a scumbag probably worst then Bush can ever be.
 
  by: Drudge   02/05/2006 03:39 AM     
  laurieman  
 
"mini-Bush" LOL!!! That's the funniest thing I have heard all day! Brings my mind to all sorts of places.

http://www.cojoweb.com/...
http://earthhopenetwork.net/...
http://bl0g.wa-junge.de/...
 
  by: Emp3r0r     02/05/2006 04:43 AM     
  @Drudge  
 
He is a scumbag more then Bush will ever be because he is suppressing media in his country?
 
  by: kmazzawi     02/05/2006 08:56 AM     
  Read a Venezuelan writting  
 
Hey guys and girls), i'm from Venezuela and i'm here to solve allt he doubts and correct some comments that u've made.

First of all, Mr Drudge u know nothing about my country and u never will.

Second. As many have said, the media in Venezuela made a huge plot against the president filling campaigs and propaganda that actually made the ppl angry, scared the kids, and cause a lot of riots and deaths in the country. Propaganda that was totally false.
And also, the tv showed progams at 4pm and novel at 1pm showing ppl having sex and killing each other, and as u may know, every kid is awake at that hour and could be watching that stuff.

So Chavez made a law to forbid those kinds of things (called LEY RESORTE), which now just makes porn programs to be after eleven and the news not to make false propaganda.

Believe me, not a single piece of freedom speech was lost ppl went out to the streets to protest, found the other band and started killing each other.

Al mr Drudge, if u would read a little (and not from US magazines, cause theyll always say chavez is the devil) you would knoe that the snipers who participe in that event were MOST OF THEM AMERICANS.

What Chavez wants is to unify all the countries of South America in other to becoming economicaly stable and end all the poberty.
But of course that's not good to the States nor to any rich corporation cause of course, they won be rich anymore, thats why the US is saying all that b***shit.

Somebody said that 80% of Venezuelans population is poor and that my friend is true. 80% are poor, 18% are medium class and 2% high. The poor support Chavez all the way (AND THEY DO VOTE) the medium some do other dont, and the rich none of them supports him (I think i've already explained why)

In Venezuela u can do whatever the f*ck u want, run trought a red light, go out to the street and scream I HATE CHAVEZ, u name it and u won't be arrested so if Chavez is guilty of something is for letting Venezuelans run like wild animals, still he's trying to change that and thats why ppl call him Dictator, cause he wants the law to be applied (Thing that has never been done by any other president cause they never cared for the country).

Chavez is not Hitler, and certainly WILL NEVER BE a Bush.

I love my country
 
  by: Jhax   02/05/2006 10:29 AM     
  @Jhax  
 
Great post

You have to understand that a lot of the shortnewsers here live in the US and have hundreds of television channels, thousands of magazines newspapers and the like at their disposal all of which gives them a great sense of actually being informed.

Few actually realize that all their great "free" press is actually owned and controlled by an incredibly small handful of US corporations who are not exactly the best people to trust with your information. Especially when the neo-cons in the Whitehouse are mostly pupils of Leo Strauss, a man who firmly believed in keeping the masses in the dark as to what the leaders are doing. Few will actually speak Spanish and so Chavez’s words are usually translated with some demonic or disinterested voice over carefully selecting sound bites to make him look somewhat out of control and irrational. (You know if he waves his hands around a lot that’s the clip to use, I know I work in TV I’ve seen how it’s done)

Failing that run the clip of Chavez with Castro if that doesn’t convince America he’s a nut then nothing will. US Corp Media doesn’t show many images of other world leaders visiting Castro so many Americans live under the impression that Castro’s a loner out there on an island all by himself and his only friend is Chavez.

Also the opinions of the vast majority of Venezuelans are something which never seems to enter US media coverage of Chavez which shows the total contempt for democracy the current (and previous) administrations have in the Whitehouse. You see most Americans would be appalled to find out what exactly their government gets up to on the international scene. They live in the belief that the US is a shining beacon of democracy which makes decisions in the interests of human rights and the spread of democracy and all those great things and ok at times they admit that they have done a nation a wrong or two but their system is self-correcting and just.

The reality however is very different as you know. The gap between what the US says thay stand for and what US leaders actually do is perhaps the greatest propaganda success story in modern history as Chomsky put it “Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the (U.S.) media”.

Anyway nice to hear someone in Venezuela voice an opinion here. Understandably the 80% of the poor Venezuelans who put Chavez in office won’t have broadband internet connections and speak perfect English, as for the other 18 and 2 % well they have easier access to voicing their opinions within the US for obvious reasons. It seems almost twisted that the same people who came out with comments following the last US election running along the lines of “in your face…Bush is in so lump it” he’s the elected president and that’s it , are the same people who believe they have the right to change another countries leadership because it doesn’t want to hand it’s natural resources over to their corporations. It’s a really distorted view of democracy imho.

As for all the recent Hitler remarks , you know a lot of people aren’t exposed to the images of American “holding centers” or whatever they call concentration camps these days , proxy tortures , or the understandable consequences of a military which is trained to kill being given the job of democracy builders or police because their leaders don’t have a clue how to go about it despite the fact that they see themselves as the guardians of justice and democracy on the planet and keep telling us that thy act in the interests of freedom.


As for Chavez being seen by the US as a threat or a Nazi perhaps a lesson could be taken by a real Nazi as to the potential threat Chavez represents for America “

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
Herman Goering

So Chavez is a threat and if you believe otherwise well "how un-American of you" I really despair at times and feel that Americans deserve better "freedom of thought" their "freedom of speech" is wonderful sadly the freedom of thought on which they base their opinions in order to use that free speech is to an outside observer highly controlled and unquestionably biased towards the interests of their ruling elite.

Some will read this and come to the conclusion that i'm Anti-American or America bashing because that is what they have been conditioned to believe my point being that they should demand better which they most certainly deserve and by beter I don't mean the democratic party I mean a more democatic system .

Ok that's the end of my rant for today i'm sure i'll be attacked from all sides or picked up by a black chopper on my way home or something:-)
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/05/2006 12:07 PM     
  @Hugo Chavez  
 
I couldn't have said it any better. It's sad state in affairs that the informed are the minority here and are often labeled as Anti-American when they speak the truth.

It all boils down to that the media is a business. This business is as every other business, it thrives on money from its customers. Its customers are not the people sitting in front of the TV. Its customers are corporations. I could go on, but there's enough of a starting point there for whoever would want to know the truth to do their own research. Whoever doesn't, believe whatever you want to believe, but keep a loose grasp on your pride. It is bound to hurt soon enough. I know it did me.
 
  by: banshee9898     02/05/2006 01:08 PM     
  Interesting Times  
 
I can't wait to see how the next ten years go, with all the repercussions of the Bush Residency and Digital Rights Management alone, the oft used phrase "Orwellian Nightmare" has such great potential. Scary, scary, scary.

If Russia really does start mining the moon soon, I wonder if they'll take immigrants...
 
  by: lynxdk   02/05/2006 01:58 PM     
  bah  
 
“Informed are the minority”

Is this the same informed minority that thinks 911 was a conspiracy?
 
  by: Emp3r0r     02/05/2006 05:31 PM     
  @Emp3r0r  
 
NO, one thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other, what the hell has Chavez got to do with 911 or is that some how supposed to distract from the facts of the matter. You know throwing in something like that into a debate that has it's parameters so clearly defined just serves to distract from the subject at hand and muddies the argument. This is a tactic usually used when someone can’t rebuff an observation or idea and has to resort to such in-depth analysis as “bah” . There’s a great difference between institutional analysis and conspiracy theory and or of course “coincidence theory”. The great phrase “conspiracy theory” is so often used to discourage institutional analysis it’s supposed to be such a damning argument and anyone with an informed opinion is supposed to just cower away by being called a “conspiracy theorist” and thus they can be labeled a cook or crackpot and no more difficult questions will be asked.

Or as Chomsky put it

Look, part of the structure of corporate capitalism is that the players in the game try to increase profits and market shares -- if they don't do that, they will no longer be players in the game. Any economist knows this: it's not a conspiracy theory to point that out, it's just taken for granted as an institutional fact. If someone were to say, "Oh no, that's a conspiracy theory," people would laugh. Well, what we've been discussing are simply the institutional factors that set the boundaries for reporting and interpretation in the ideological institutions. That's the opposite of conspiracy theory, it's just normal institutional analysis, the kind of analysis you do automatically when you're trying to understand how the world works. For people to call it "conspiracy theory" is part of the effort to prevent an understanding of how the world works, in my view -- "conspiracy theory" has become the intellectual equivalent of a four-letter word: it's something people say when they don't want you to think about what's really going on.


So anyway if you want to get into the ins and outs of 911 I suggest a forum topic and not a diversionary tactic to get off the subject of what to do about Hugo.
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/05/2006 06:23 PM     
  lol  
 
You don’t have a clue at why I said it or to whom it was directed. Rant on you fool rant on.

I think Mozart said it best "to talk well and eloquently was a very great art, but that an equally great one was to know the right moment to stop."
 
  by: Emp3r0r     02/05/2006 07:07 PM     
  Rumsfeld  
 
Rumsfeld went on to say "That the axis of evil is under your bed and only he can stop it as forseen in the prophecy."
 
  by: ericcode   02/05/2006 07:07 PM     
  The Secretary of Extermination with a Forked Tongu  
 
Blood & Treasure on the Line

Another uniformed bureaucrat with very short hair
boasts about the risks paying off with minimal bodies
carefully crafting an ad pitch for military hardware
as a patriotic triumph of good in the free world

Persuading the viewers we deserve their thanks
for laying "our blood and treasure on the line"
to defeat a mortal danger to our planet's future
making it as entertaining as possible a bonus

The Secretary of Killing People is questioned too
about who is telling the truth and why media are targets
he responds with an Orwellian double-spin on truth
encouraging our free media to market his idea of evil

After a busy day of cluster-bombing and bunker busting
with impoverished hospitals flowing in blood and tears
the Secretary of Killing People laughs in triumph
joking with the Press "the test is in the tasting"

Bravo Zulu Bywydd

"White savages, with motor-cars, telephones, incomes and ideals!
Savages fast inside the machine; yet savages enough, ye gods! "
-- D.H. Lawrence

http://buzworm.blogspot.com
 
  by: BravoZulu   02/05/2006 07:24 PM     
  @Emp3r0r  
 
nobody knows except yourself what you were on about or who you were directing your comments to. But nice one going straight for the insult .. a real drduran tactic but you're not like him are you caus you don't like Bush ...wow what a difference a "daily show liberal" .

Why don't you enlighten us all with a little rant of your own or is "bah" the depths of your analysis ,come on share your knoweledge with us I for one am all ears:-)
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/05/2006 07:36 PM     
  bah hugo bah alot  
 
To my knowledge you are the only one ever to accuse me of being a conservative.

But then again this coming from the guy that attacked mediamatters.org for being in the pockets conservatives.

Maybe it’s not me with the problem here... maybe just maybe you are just so far to one side everything right form that line is "Nazi" just like some of Bush’s supporters look at all people left of them as “commies” (that I am more commonly accused of).

Do you not like my TV choices?
Well I’m sorry but I like my: The Daily show, Colbert Report, West Wing, Rome and Meet the Press.

There is another that is also very critical of “The daily Show” audience his name is Bill O’Reilly.

"If Bill O'Reilly needs to have an enemy, needs to feel persecuted, you know what? Here's my Kwanzaa gift to him. Are you ready? All right. I'm your enemy. Make me your enemy. I, Jon Stewart, hate Christmas, Christians, Jews, morality, and I will not rest until every year families gather to spend December 25th together at Osama's homo-abortion-pot-and-commie-jizzporium." - Jon Stewart

Bah is a common internet phrase… I’m sorry Chomsky doesn’t know that one.
 
  by: Emp3r0r     02/05/2006 09:08 PM     
  the daily show is great but ....it's entertainment  
 
I don’t watch the daily show because I don’t have sat or cable tv I have to download in in bit torrent ? so I wasn’t attacking the show I was attacking people who get their opinions on current events from the Tv . “a daily show liberal” is someone who’s political stance is Bush bashing because when the democrats get in America and the world will be all right again . It’s not about being left or right ….jess don’t you get it !....none of these parties , none of them are the answer while they’re being run by ruling elites and anyway you don’t have a left in the US you don’t have much of a political system either . That’s what you should be shouting for not “Bush Out” but hey lets do something about this shitty system that keeps giving us asshole leaders getting us into shitty wars. There’s no point in questioning wars’ and then questioning the leaders that got you into those wars unless you’re prepared to follow through and question the system that produced such leaders.


“But then again this coming from the guy that attacked mediamatters.org for being in the pockets conservatives.”

Wow I don’t remember that one …. Eh what exactly was the context?

As for the daily show I like it too but I wouldn’t rely on it for political analysis the show is entertainment full stop and it’s format like everything on Tv in the states is confined to the limits of concision so if it’s not rapid fire and fast pace it’s not on. Sadly political analysis and the formation of opinions take a little longer that 600 words or a 2min slot between an ad break especially if you are dealing in opinions not widely accept at first sight by the majority which is why “rants” as you call them are totally necessary .

Bah is where people hide when they don’t have the words to get themselves out of a hole they have dug for themselves that’s probably why Chomsky doesn’t use it.

I was listening to Lord Owen the other day in an interview and he was speaking about how the Americans just couldn’t understand the problem in Yugoslavia because it wasn’t as he put it “cowboys and Indians” where one side was the goodies and the other the baddies he said they really needed to simplify it to that extent to get a grip on it.

I just don’t go along with this Bush is a baddie and the democrats are the goodies ….sorry it just isn’t that simple. The evil of two lesser as someone once said. I mean Bush isn’t an idiot for all his gaffs and blunders he and his neocons know exactly what they want to achieve as does Bill O’Reilly you seem to believe that when the democrats win the next elections (if they do) the system will somehow rectify itself and American foreign policy and corporate interests will calm down somewhat and all will be rosey in the garden again. It’s all just divide and conquer . “look well keep them arguing about abortion , gay marriage , Christmas haters or whatever and we’ll continue acting in our interests.” And that goes for both sides it’s not “cowboys and Indians” there is a much broader issue at stake here it's not about taking sides .
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/05/2006 09:55 PM     
  bah  
 
The only one digging holes is you. You are taking this into so many different directions one must wonder if you will reach china soon.

Where are you going with this? I mean come on man the world is far form perfect. I don’t expect the democrats to be the “goodies” The 2 party system sucks we all know that wtf is your point? I don’t expect the democrats will right all in the world (shit they can’t even get a good candidate)… but it will get rid of (if only for a short time) some of these Regan leftovers and neo-cons.

The daily show is entertainment but it comes with a lot of useful information. They bash left right and the media, do I rely on it for all worldly information no of course not.

"If you watch the news and don't like it, then this is your counter program to the news." - Jon Stewart

You talk about Chomsky like he is some sort of all knowing informed individual. He’s not nor is anyone else. I don’t think I have ever seen you talk about anyone other then Chomsky…

I use bah cuz its much alike the sigh or grunt. Like when someone stubs a toe. Or I just don't know what to put for a title. The fact you put so much on one word such ass bah... says something in of its self.

Rant on if you like I've got better stuff to do like taxes.
 
  by: Emp3r0r     02/06/2006 01:43 AM     
  more than a stubbed toe  
 
Your getting more than a stubbed toe here emperor.

You've resorted to name calling and other childish tactics. If Mozart was right, you've got two things to work on.
 
  by: jendres     02/06/2006 01:56 AM     
  bah  
 
The guy calls me a "daily show liberal" and compares me to drduran I'm sorry if i find that all abit foolish.
 
  by: Emp3r0r     02/06/2006 02:47 AM     
  Emp3r0r  
 
"Is this the same informed minority that thinks 911 was a conspiracy?"

Nope, I was talking about those informed about the American media.
 
  by: banshee9898     02/06/2006 05:11 AM     
  Emp3r0r  
 
"You talk about Chomsky like he is some sort of all knowing informed individual. He’s not nor is anyone else. I don’t think I have ever seen you talk about anyone other then Chomsky…"

Of course no one knows everything, but we all do have our areas of expertise, including Chomsky. One of his just happens to be in controversial subject matter (to the layman).
 
  by: banshee9898     02/06/2006 05:23 AM     
  wow  
 
don't take it personally but i also qoute Howard Zinn a lot and Michael Parenti among others It would never occur to me however to use a musician as a reference in a political debateI’m sorry if I quote Chomsky too much but he’s the only of the 3 that I’m actually in personal contact with but I also quote Howard Zinn a lot and Michael Parenti among others It would never occur to me however to use a musician as a reference in a political debate like Mozart but hey if it’s a good quote why not eh…
Btw I never compared you to drduran I compared your name calling to his tactics .
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/06/2006 09:19 AM     
  anybody know  
 
anybody know where i can do a computer course specialising in cut and paste ...ha ..ha I always screw it up
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/06/2006 10:28 AM     
  Hugo  
 
You know Mr. Chomsky? I'd really like to pick his brain. I went to one of his lectures when he came into town to speak at ISU, the place was absolutely packed and I could barely hear him speak on the 3rd balcony (speakers were on too low).
 
  by: banshee9898     02/06/2006 11:38 AM     
  i wouldnt say we were mates exactly  
 
i wouldnt say we were drinking mates exactly . I send him news articles related to things i've heard him speak about (probably like millions of other people) , he always takes the time to reply and thank you and comment on your findings etc etc . It's really quite interesting just how many people answer all their e-mail . I don't even get around to answering mail from my family :( ... will I go to hell for that ?
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     02/06/2006 12:58 PM     
 
 
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