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02/05/2006 02:11 AM ID: 52676 Permalink   

Offensive Muhammad Cartoons Incite Riots

 

Twelve cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad have sparked protests and riots from Muslims in several countries. The U.S. State Department issued a statement calling the drawings "offensive to the beliefs of Muslims."

"Inciting religious or ethnic hatred in this manner is not acceptable," said department press officer Janelle Hironimus. "We call for tolerance and respect for all communities and for their religious beliefs and practices."

The drawings first appeared in September in a Danish newspaper and were reprinted in several European newspapers this week citing freedom of the press. "This is about insensitivity and a trend toward Islamaphobia," said Indonesia's spokesman.

 
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  i wanna see the cartoons  
 
Persoanlly i think this situation is hilarious. How often is every other religion picked on in cartoons? People of Islam, learn to relax. This does nothign but further 'confirm' in people your love for violence (masked indonesians trying to storm the danish embasy etc). Why not just denouce it as pityful and move on?
 
  by: ssxxxssssss   02/05/2006 02:36 AM     
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  by: Drudge   02/05/2006 03:36 AM     
  I have seen  
 
the cartoons but too me they are just that but too a muslim they are offensive hence the riots,a lot of people see them as terrorists,and these people are not helping themselves by waving ak47s and showing placards saying to butcher people who insult islam ,just making themselves
worse in the eyes of most westeners .
 
  by: Gatsby   02/05/2006 04:21 AM     
  Just saw on the news  
 
They burned down 2 embassies in protest to those cartoon and gave 48 hours to the respestive country to punish those newspaper who published these cartoon...further more it seems from thesame news(radio-canada news) that in their country they make fun like that of jews ppl and that is ok...wonder if it's true and if it is them it is a good double standard people should just chill out for a moment and remember that this is only cartoon if they go up in arms over that I understand why more and more people sees them as terrorists. Personally after seing the cartoons I can see why they can be upset but they are way too violent towards such a little thing and justify the cartoon by their actions which ressemble as terrorism since they threathen to kidnap people over it...
 
  by: Korzen   02/05/2006 05:29 AM     
  Ahh Islam  
 
The religion of peace.
 
  by: lauriesman     02/05/2006 06:30 AM     
  link to cartoons  
 
For the interested, here's a link to the cartoons: http://www.shoutwire.com/...
 
  by: richjournalist     02/05/2006 07:06 AM     
  sense of humour needed  
 
why so much anger.its really hard to see there point of view when a simple cartoon can insight so much b.s.this brings up a problem is worship of god in general creating anti-social behavour in the world.seems like it makes people angry more than peaceful..
 
  by: flukemol   02/05/2006 08:28 AM     
  Religion vs Ridicule  
 
I am going to make a blanket statement: The biggest threat to any idea or religion is ridicule.

Unless the system has a solid foundation or/and a strong defence it will collapse. And for now, islam seems to have a strong defence.
 
  by: kmazzawi     02/05/2006 08:36 AM     
  Muslim media!  
 
They have been bashing Jews and Christians- constantly making deragatory statements and inciting hate.

For Muslims to get upset over cartoons by a Scandinavian (and not very good cartoons, at that), then they need to just shut down their temples and go home.

Burning down Embassies is only going to make people further condemn Muhammmed's followers for their pig-like actions. Inshallah!


And another @#$#*@! thing. The @#(*$E Syrian government is GUILTY of allowing the embassies to happen and failing to provide protection to embassies and dignitaries.

If they demand for the governments to punish the newspapers, then, by Allah, they should punish Al Jazeera for it's sins against humanity. Praise Jesus and pass the ammo. Thy Will Be Done.

Religion. Pffft.
 
  by: theironboard     02/05/2006 10:02 AM     
  Don't know how to react  
 
(I am a British Muslim)I dont know how to react to this, before i could create an opinion in my mind and muster up the courage to speak out-some crazy people hell bent on doing really bad things went out and proved how little they know of anything but hate. Before I could voice my opinion the topic (not here on SN but worldwide) changed from the insult to Islam in the name of free speech to the kind of over reaction of these mindless thugs. SO instead of all us talking about the free speech issue and what to print and what not to print we are talking about the burning of flags and embassies for crying out loud!
The fact is that muslims believe that portraits/drawings of God and the Prophet Muhammed (pboh) and indeed all the Prophets (including Jewish and Christian ones) should never be made and by doing this tramples on one of their core beliefs. I'm not sure what the Jewish or Christian or Hindu equivalent would be to this- by that I mean I want everyone to feel the way Muslims feel when these drawings were printed BUT that is not to say it was right for these people to do what they did because it simply wasn't.
 
  by: DataGLO   02/05/2006 02:52 PM     
  To pass judgment...  
 
to pass judment you gotta understand the others point of you. To the muslims who live in muslim countries the cartoons have insulted one of the core beliefs. Don't look at it from a secular point of you, look at it from THEIR point of view and you will understand the uproar. The burning of the embassies was a mistake alright but to say that the cartoons do not justify the protests and anger in the muslim world is being self cnetered and not being able to see the other's point of view.

Imo this is racism, they've attacked the beliefs of a certain group (and by the way the newspaper knew it will anger the muslims) which is pretty much like making fun of african americans cuz they are black, do you think that is acceptable? Well it's the same for those people's beliefs!

As for the person who mentioned that in the muslim media they make fun of christians and jews all the time you are greatly mistake. Yes they make fun of Sharon, yes they make fun of Israel but they never disrespect a religion. Don't forget that a huge amount of christians live in these countries and Jesus, Moses, and the religions are fully respected.
The muslim world wouldn't be fumed if the newspaper had made fun of their dictatorships or dictators cuz that is ok to them, and they do have a sense of humor, but not when you insult their beliefs when it is what they live by day in day out.

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  by: Breathe   02/05/2006 03:18 PM     
  Typical Muslim Logic  
 
Drawing cartoons is bad. Flying planes into buildings and killing thousands is ok.
 
  by: Just Opinions   02/05/2006 03:23 PM     
  @Breathe  
 
"mo this is racism, they've attacked the beliefs of a certain group...which is pretty much like making fun of african americans cuz they are black"

Erm, no it's not. Religion is a belief and is therefore a choice, and is absolutely nothing like the colour of someone's skin. Saying you do not believe in the foundations of a certain religion and expressing those opinions is not the same as saying you don't like black people.

"The burning of the embassies was a mistake alright"

So the burning down of a country's embassy is simply passed off as a 'mistake' yet publishing and offensive cartoon is a terrible thing to do. By burning down Embassies in retaliation the Muslims involved are only giving stregth to what the cartoons said
 
  by: jameswaring2000   02/05/2006 03:33 PM     
  I haven't seen the cartoons yet  
 
But come on! Its only a cartoon. And I think God is big enough and ugly enough to stand up for himself without all the muslims in the world burning flags and storming embassies.

It's about time the muslims grew up a bit instead of throwing a tantrum every time thier religion is called into question.
 
  by: CrisW   02/05/2006 03:47 PM     
  @breathe  
 
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Have you even bothered to study Islamist media? They don't 'Make fun' of Isreal and Sharon, etc.... get a clue. They openly state things like 'The Zionist presence must be eliminated' and recently the president of Iran tried to get away with claiming that the Holocaust never occured and he was supported by all the regional media outlets. THINK before you post on these serious topics again.... you are doing the world more harm than good.
 
  by: theironboard     02/05/2006 04:16 PM     
  OK...  
 
Here's my 2 cents. I looked at the cartoons, and I'd say about half of them are pretty directly attacking islam and making some pretty racist blanket statements. The other half are alternately acknowledging that the paper sponsoring the cartoons is inciting something, or that to make the cartoon is risky in and of itself. One was just a straight up drawing, not with any political overtones, of a potential "Mohammad".

In 15 - 20 years, I think we're going to look back on those cartoons and marvel at how society decided such an openly racist bunch of cartoons was defensible. I'd compare these cartoons to the "slanty eyed jap" cartoons of WWII or "big-lipped jungle bunny" cartoons of the early 1900s. Much of their intent is just straight insult.

HOWEVER

These guys have every right to go ahead and print this stuff. Censorship is worng, no matter the content (even if the content is telling people that you're spying on your own citizens, for example). People going out and burning embassies doesn't help the international intolerance toward Islam one bit, and will spur more such cartoons. I know this is offensive, but the Islamists are being d*ckheads over this. The response of the majority of moderate Muslims are in my view appropriate - protest peacefully, issue declarations of disgust with the content, and let it end at that.

HOWEVER

Apart from free speech, this is supposedly also fair political commentary on radical Islam. Let's put aside the fact that you're simply not supposed to depict the Prophet, and focus on the insulting depictions themselves. OK, so by depicting Mohammed as a terrorist, it's fair political commentary, aimed at the radical islamists, rather than the moderates. Sure. So, my question; If I were to sponsor a newspaper competition in the middle east aimed at, say, making a commentary about some Catholic priests' penchant for little boys, and I had six cartoons posted on the website of Al-Jazeera that showed Jesus Christ violently cornholing alter boys, would there be silence from us in the West? Should that depiction be treated with kid gloves by, say, evangilical Christians who aren't Catholic? Just some food for thought.
 
  by: Mister crank     02/05/2006 05:25 PM     
  OK...  
 
Here's my 2 cents. I looked at the cartoons, and I'd say about half of them are pretty directly attacking islam and making some pretty racist blanket statements. The other half are alternately acknowledging that the paper sponsoring the cartoons is inciting something, or that to make the cartoon is risky in and of itself. One was just a straight up drawing, not with any political overtones, of a potential "Mohammad".

In 15 - 20 years, I think we're going to look back on those cartoons and marvel at how society decided such an openly racist bunch of cartoons was defensible. I'd compare these cartoons to the "slanty eyed jap" cartoons of WWII or "big-lipped jungle bunny" cartoons of the early 1900s. Much of their intent is just straight insult.

HOWEVER

These guys have every right to go ahead and print this stuff. Censorship is worng, no matter the content (even if the content is telling people that you're spying on your own citizens, for example). People going out and burning embassies doesn't help the international intolerance toward Islam one bit, and will spur more such cartoons. I know this is offensive, but the Islamists are being d*ckheads over this. The response of the majority of moderate Muslims are in my view appropriate - protest peacefully, issue declarations of disgust with the content, and let it end at that.

HOWEVER

Apart from free speech, this is supposedly also fair political commentary on radical Islam. Let's put aside the fact that you're simply not supposed to depict the Prophet, and focus on the insulting depictions themselves. OK, so by depicting Mohammed as a terrorist, it's fair political commentary, aimed at the radical islamists, rather than the moderates. Sure. So, my question; If I were to sponsor a newspaper competition in the middle east aimed at, say, making a commentary about some Catholic priests' penchant for little boys, and I had six cartoons posted on the website of Al-Jazeera that showed Jesus Christ violently cornholing alter boys, would there be silence from us in the West? Should that depiction be treated with kid gloves by, say, evangilical Christians who aren't Catholic? Just some food for thought.
 
  by: Mister crank     02/05/2006 05:52 PM     
  @mrcrank  
 
In all honesty I think most westerners would laugh overbearingly over a cartoon rendition of the type you suggest. I know I would.

You all have to understand that what is going on now has very little to do with the cartoons themselves. They are simply being used to unite a group of people, for entirely different purposes. You can't seriously believe that it was coincidental that Syria, then Lebanon were hit by these cartoon riots?

Whatever you believe, the simple fact is that this newspaper alone is responsible for publishing cartoons. I am danish and I don't know anyone who agrees with the way the cartoons associate Islam with terrorism. It was probably intended to raise debate but personally I think it was a mistake.

However, after being target painted by extremists in the entire muslim world, I am beginning to think that perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps the newspaper is right to associate islam with terror? The recent events certainly seems to suggest that.

If you believe in islam, and you agree with the senseless violence and completely moronic boycotting of danish companies who had NOTHING to do with the cartoons, then I think you need to seriously reevaluate what the hell you are doing.

According to the Koran, the reason the profet Muhammad told his followers not to depict him was because he felt that too much attention to his person would take away from the true teachings of Islam, and of God.

I wonder how Muhammad would feel over all this attention that is now being put on his person, not by the danish newspaper, but by hundreds of thousands of droning Islamists who run around torching buildings and threatening to kill danes at random?

I'm sure he would tell them to come to their friggin senses.

I am danish. I respect Islam and every other religion. I don't agree with the cartoons that Jyllands Posten printed and Jyllands Posten don't speak for me or for any other group of danes. They speak for themselves. They don't speak for the danish government and the danish government don't tell them what to print. They can't tell them not to print a certain story, no matter what that story is. Why would Islamists want an apology from the danish government, when they know that it had nothing to do with the story? Would this not be a very hollow excuse with no meaning whatsoever?

Jyllands Posten already apologized for offending muslims. Don't be so full of yourself and your own self righteousness and MOVE ON ALREADY.

 
  by: mberg     02/05/2006 06:40 PM     
  Now they are burning Danish embassy in Beirut  
 
Some 'mistake'....

isn't this war-like behaviour or is it just 'protesting'?
 
  by: theironboard     02/05/2006 06:55 PM     
  Religeous Pictures  
 
On the subject of depicting saints and prophets in pictures:
"should never be made and by doing this tramples on one of their core beliefs."
Depicting saints used to be against the core beliefs of some christians but they fought wars some lasting over 40 years among themselves for the right to depict pictures, and some christian sects still refuse to put pictures.

As for Islam, the shi'ia have no problem depicting pictures of saints and prophets only sunas do.

The question is, does those who refuse to put up pictures have the right to defend and then impose their position or that right stops at the door of their mosque/church? Can that right to prevent pictures be imposed without violence?
 
  by: kmazzawi     02/05/2006 07:58 PM     
  @mberg  
 
"I wonder how Muhammad would feel over all this attention that is now being put on his person, not by the danish newspaper, but by hundreds of thousands of droning Islamists who run around torching buildings and threatening to kill danes at random?

I'm sure he would tell them to come to their friggin senses."
You seem sure, can you give us an example?
 
  by: kmazzawi     02/05/2006 08:04 PM     
  I like the Lars Refn cartoon:  
 
"Jyllens-Posten's journalists are a bunch of reationary provocateurs."

Right on the money! Looking at the cartoons, it's easy to see that many of them are just absurd. At the same time, the actions of the rioting muslims is negatively influencing my opinion of the religion. It is reassuring to see clerics denouncing the violence and attempting to defray it, but it's hard to look away from such a widespread incident and not regard it as a reflection of the culture.
 
  by: momentofclarity     02/05/2006 08:56 PM     
  @kmazzawi  
 
good analysis. So it is against your beliefs to depict your prophets. That is fine, well and good, just don't force your beliefs onto others!

If the cartoonists and publishers have sinned and made an offense against your god, let your god punish them.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/...
http://en.wikipedia.org/...
 
  by: jendres     02/06/2006 01:43 AM     
  @mberg  
 
"In all honesty I think most westerners would laugh overbearingly over a cartoon rendition of the type you suggest. I know I would."

Exactly! But I'd be willing to bet that there would be at least a few death threats from some of the fringe right-wing Christians. There are a billion Muslims in the world, and a relatively small group are rioting. But look at the result - their reactionary response is f***ing it up for the rest of the religion.
 
  by: Mister crank     02/06/2006 04:20 AM     
  Oh yes  
 
although you and a few more may laugh at such a depiction of Jesus, I'm certain that there would be even more Christians up in arms about it. However, I'm unsure as to whether you would see any Mosques or Embassies burning. Does this mean that Christianity as a religion is much more at ease with itself?

The whole idea that questioning a religion is such a taboo is absurd to me. Can you imagine not being able to question the motives of the Heaven's Gate cult, or being unable to delve into the absurdity that is Scientology? In my opinion, religion gets far too much protection in terms of legal and moral rights to question and denounce beliefs. Even if the religion condones violence against non-believers and censors (often through violence) those who speak out against it (much like the fundamental practices of Scientology), are we still not allowed to ridicule, or question it?

Also what strikes me is that some religions retain the rights to fight against those who ridicule and question it much more than others. Many people are going around with the opinion that the burning of Embassies is completely understandable reaction to the cartoons, as it ridicules a group of people's core beliefs. Would it then be considered, with equal sympathy if Scientologists has begun to destory television studios after the episode of South Park ridiculing Scientology? I think not.
 
  by: jameswaring2000   02/06/2006 01:49 PM     
  if  
 
if muslims didnt want portraits of all prophets made they would condemn any portrayal of jesus or moses. but i do think it isnt fair that he was drawn, muhammed wasnt suppose to be promoted like that. but the backlash we see in public about drawings is quite frightening. but i think al-jazeera isnt showing all the cartoons which the frames about about its just a dane trying to make a poor image of our prophet,they could get mad or laugh this off and i bet right now some 1 in some arab news paper is making drawings of jesus and moses.
 
  by: DREKK   02/06/2006 04:14 PM     
  @theironboard  
 
"Erm, no it's not. Religion is a belief and is therefore a choice, and is absolutely nothing like the colour of someone's skin. Saying you do not believe in the foundations of a certain religion and expressing those opinions is not the same as saying you don't like black people."



well last time I checked Michael Jackson changed his skin color so does that mean we can bash african americans now they have a choice? What about anti-Semitic rules? why do you think these are in place? cuz it's racism, they offend a small amount of people AND on the basis of their beliefs as well

"So the burning down of a country's embassy is simply passed off as a 'mistake' yet publishing and offensive cartoon is a terrible thing to do. By burning down Embassies in retaliation the Muslims involved are only giving stregth to what the cartoons said"

Don't play around with words stupid, a mistake is a mistake, I remember Bush before talking about the deaths of hundreds of people as 'mistake'. I was not downplaying the burnings of the embassies, I think it's big but it still falls under the title of mistake so if you want to make an argument try to make something more cohherent instead of playing around with words to try to make a point you don't understand, and while we're at this

Have you even bothered to study Islamist media? They don't 'Make fun' of Isreal and Sharon, etc.... get a clue. They openly state things like 'The Zionist presence must be eliminated' and recently the president of Iran tried to get away with claiming that the Holocaust never occured and he was supported by all the regional media outlets. THINK before you post on these serious topics again.... you are doing the world more harm than good."

Trust me, I learn more about muslim media than you ever will and they don't state "the jewish state should be wiped out" the Iranian president stated that and the whole world balcklashed at him including several muslim countries....which reminds me why was the whole world attacking him when he said that? Last time I checked, that can be labelled freedom of speech isn't it?


 
  by: Breathe   02/06/2006 04:59 PM     
  @Breathe  
 
"well last time I checked Michael Jackson changed his skin color so does that mean we can bash african americans now they have a choice?"

That is a redliculous comparison to make. Do you really not understand the difference between a belief and a skin colour? A skin colour is something you are born with, and you do not live by the teachings of your skin colour. A religion is something you choose to believe in after deciding to place trust in the fundamentals of that religion and base everything you do in your life, around what the religion teaches. Please don't compare religion and skin colour again, it's just a very inept thing to do.

"so if you want to make an argument try to make something more cohherent instead of playing around with words to try to make a point you don't understand, and while we're at this"

You really think putting disliking black people on a par with disagreeing with a religion is coherent??

And for the record, the Jews do not constitute a 'small amount of people'
 
  by: jameswaring2000   02/06/2006 07:01 PM     
  @breathe  
 
P.S. You are attributing quotes to me that I did not make (see the above author as the source of your discontent) and calling me bad names. Get with it.
 
  by: theironboard     02/06/2006 07:45 PM     
  @jameswaring2000  
 
I think your comments are way too idealistic to have that much merit here. It's not as if people aren't told what to believe since birth, and things like "disliking black people" vs. "disagreeing with a religion" border on sophistry.
 
  by: Fratley   02/07/2006 02:55 AM     
  This reaction is not surprising.  
 
I'm sure if they started showing cartoons of Jesus flying an F-15 bombing buildings in the desert, some extremist Christians would respond similarly.
 
  by: banshee9898     02/07/2006 08:16 AM     
  @banshee9898  
 
I doubt that you would have members of the Anglican Church burning down embassies though.

It's hard enough to accept Islam as the religion of peace while some idiots are torching some embassy.

This next bit isn't directed at you banshee9898

As for respecting beliefs, aren't my beliefs as an atheist just as valid? Or do I need to be a card carrying member of a cult for my opinions to carry weight?
 
  by: CrisW   02/07/2006 08:24 AM     
  CrisW, Everyone Else  
 
I agree you probably wouldn't see Christians burning down embassies, I doubt many know where Middle Eastern embassies in the US are (I sure don't, do they even exist?). Instead, I'd find it more probable for some to burn down more random mosques in the US.

Everyone must understand if you were in their shoes, you'd do and say the same exact things. Now, whoever first popped into your mind when you read "their", try taking the other side's perspective. This is the only way to resolution without destroying each other.
 
  by: banshee9898     02/07/2006 09:08 AM     
  ....  
 
"It's hard enough to accept Islam as the religion of peace while some idiots are torching some embassy."

It must be just as hard to accept Christianity as a peaceful religion when some of it's followers publicly call for the murder of foreign Heads of State (ie. Pat Robertson), and personally I think that if he was a 'true believer', rather than putting on an act for the money his 'followers' send him, I could easily see him leading a (well attended)riot.

I think it's short-sighted in the extreme to judge a religion with several million followers, by the actions of a few hundred or even a few thousand (ie. a small fraction of the whole). Every religion has an extreme element, judging a religion by it's extremists is both foolish and ignorant.

Personally I have my doubts about this 'exercise of free speech', I suspect it was more along the line of, 'I wonder how many Muslim's we can incite to violence'.
 
  by: StarShadow     02/07/2006 11:09 AM     
  Violence is a function of ignorance  
 
Particularly this kind.

Ask any of these rioters, and they probably have not even seen the cartoons themselves. They are ignorant - all they know is that their Imam has told them to be incensed and outraged.
 
  by: lauriesman     02/07/2006 11:32 AM     
  Lol  
 
Let these peeople tear apart there own contry. But hey atleast they aern't yelling about the U.S. anymore.
 
  by: steme   02/07/2006 06:07 PM     
  It isn't fair to blame Islam  
 
Sure those who are rioting say that they burn and pillage on behalf of muslims around the world but they don't. Extremists are not an accurate representation of the majority. Relate their situation to riots that have occured in America. The LA riots, The "Patriot" riots (shouldn't even be considered a riot), and of course the minimum of 5 or 6 riots every year caused by some sports team winning a championship. The people responsible for those riots are not the majority of the people affected by the riot-causing circumstances. Huh?!? I'm confused too. In short, I grow weary of seeing people post and say, "This really makes me think less of Islam".
So the next time the White Sox win the World Series (4 people killed, hundreds injured) maybe we'll all say, "Man, this sure makes me think less of the White Sox".

Also part of the reason muslims are angry about the cartoons is simply just another part of their religion. To them it is a damnable offense to depict what Muhammed looked like. Sure it's different than the way Christians do things but it's all of our responsibility (Christians and non religious types alike)to show respect for the customs of others even if we do not understand them.
 
  by: Cavalier81   02/07/2006 06:41 PM     
  Typical extermist response  
 
Islam is about peace, justice, respect and tolerance.

Freedom of the press is about saying, writing, drawing, creating anything offensive or not as it is a 'freedom'.

Now the extremists are using this as a way of making Islam a 'No go area' which severly p!sses me off. One paper has published these cartoons in Australia and by hell or high water the Police are ready to protect that freedom. They've had practice last December.

And isn't it f@#$d up that the Iranian president is threatening to print cartoons about the holocaust...now didn't he say it didn't happen??? I say print to your heart's content because we all know it's in spite and it's freedom of the press...so kiss my western @ss.

It has got out of hand, it's now time to stop saying calm down and say get over it....harsh when talking about the symbol of Islam but it's not what it stands for...the continous rioting that is. It's counter-productive.
 
  by: Mr-Anderson   02/09/2006 01:12 PM     
  @ Mr-Anderson  
 
This is the last time I´m going to tell you this, now shut up! :P

:) I missed doing that.
 
  by: captainJane     03/25/2013 12:16 AM     
   
 
"Islam is about peace, justice, respect and tolerance."

Yet, all we see in the news is the exact opposite. When good men do nothing evil prevails.
 
  by: Lurker     03/25/2013 06:34 PM     
  That again  
 
All religions claim to be about

"peace, justice, respect and tolerance."

What happens? Control, torture and abuse from every religion. Catholics, sheiks, Hindus as well as Muslims.

That´s just man´s greed and agendas for you! ;) And alway´s the sheep will follow.
 
  by: captainJane     03/26/2013 01:47 AM     
 
 
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