Hollywood actor Charlie Sheen has made public his concerns with the official version of events on 9/11. Talking on the GCN Radio Network, he questioned how George W. Bush saw the 1st plane hit the north tower when no live footage of this was carried.
“I guess one of the perks of being president is that you get access to TV channels that don’t exist in the known universe.” He also questioned whether a plane actually hit the Pentagon and if the twin towers were brought down by the planes alone.
Sheen ended by saying, “It is up to us to reveal the truth, we owe it to everybody’s life who was drastically altered, horrifically that day and forever. We owe it to them to uncover what happened.”
The top secret plan code named Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving the US a public and international backing they needed to launch their war.
Don't tell me it's crazy to think the government was complicit in 9/11. It's crazy not to accept the possibility. Look at history.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. If you want the truth, you have to accept that anything is possible. Otherwise, if you think you have ever come to the whole truth, you stop the objective thinking process. You become complacent with a fantasy world of your own making.
Argue with me all you'd like about 9/11. I have only spent four years researching the subject.
CNN Charlie Sheen Poll: Do you agree with Charlie Sheen that the U.S. government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks? http://www.cnn.com/...
Yeah that's certainly a possibility. Internet polls don't include the general population that doesn't have the internet either. I wonder what they would say about this?
You can call it openmindedness if you want but when you look for a “truth” you will find it that’s not to say what you find is accurate. I don’t doubt that the whole story was kept from us but it doesn’t make it an evil government plot.
I have stopped trying to find the complete truth long ago. I now only look for facts, because there are no half-facts, only half-truths. Only having all the facts will bring you the complete truth.
I didn't begin searching for reasons to blame the government for 9/11 once it happened or anything like that. Quite to the contrary, I was so angry about what had happened that I was about to join the marines for payback. I wasn’t even a big fan of becoming a soldier prior to that either.
It took me several months of seeing what I thought at the time were crazy people trying to dismiss the official story as fallacious, to question my own judgments on the issue. It's not until then that I started to sift through the facts, theories and misconceptions on the subject.
I don't believe I am necessarily an expert on this subject, but I do believe many people are being mislead to believe false information. I don't know everything, but I do know more than your average person and can answer many questions about the subject if they were to be asked. Maybe it would be better to ask in the forums, these discussions can get rather long and I don't really want to hijack this thread in respect to others wanting a say here.
Can anyone tell me why this news is highlighted pink? It`s not been blocked, it was posted as hard news and is in the top 6 most popular but not showing on home page?
If flight 77 never crashed into the Pentagon, what happened to it? It's been almost five years since 9/11, and nothing revolutionary has come out that refutes the going story for that day. With Bush's approval rating where it's at, I would've thought by now someone would've come forward with information contradicting what happened. I haven't seen anything all that compelling yet, how long do we have to wait until we get the "real" story? Considering the level of competence our current administration has demonstrated, there is no way they could keep something like a 9/11 conspiracy covered up. No way.
....was probally watching the "documentary" In Plane Site http://www.911inplanesite.com/... since alot of those questions are brought up in this film..It definitly raises many serious questions, but nothing that someone who has already made up their mind either way will be compelled to question...In short, they suggest (through extreme slow-mo analysis and supposedly factual evidence-this is no Moore-esque spectacle, quite the contrary) that there is clearly an explosive strapped to the belly of the plane that made the tower fall, even going so far as to ask if the planes were not commercial airliners..Like I said, this movie basically just questions everything, and just makes things a heck of a lot more complicated. Certainly there are far-fetched innsuffecient claims being made, but there are also claims that are backed up with hard to explain answers...Such as the questioning of the pentagon actually being hit...The film states that there is not a single piece of evidence to support that (no pics of plane debris anywhere) and that the hole in the pentagon cannot be that of the dimensions of a 747...
Anyways check out the link if your really interested in hearing their "truths", the preceeding was just my faint recollection after seeing it once years ago....
Absolutely bone-chillingly frightening any way you cut it however, that no true getting to the "bottom" of this insane historical tragedy has ever been illuminated for us to all collectively digest...Thank God for people like you all, who, despite sometimes nutty, opinionated, ego riddled notions, overall increase the oh-so-small openness and awareness our ignorant species is hopefully beginning to muster, in what can hopefully be described centuries later as the begining of the time when humans collectively began to grow conscious for the sake of their collectivity alone. It seems like the internet was created for that very reason and we still have hardly begun to utilize it effectivly.. It is so nice to introduce myself to you all, there are quite a few beautifully objective, factually inclined, articulated optimists here...
I have not seen the aforementioned documentary, but how do they explain a bomb strapped to the plane taking out the support columns resulting in a pancake collapse?
There is a free, well researched documentary on the subject of all three tower’s collapses including testimonies from several different firefighters and professors here: http://www.911revisited.com/...
I’m sure 9/11 in plane sight has some very good, factual information. What was strapped to the plane does need further investigation. Many other people including a Fox News reporter named Mark Burnback said of the plane; “this plane wasn't from around here or anything you'd see take off from the airport.”
I’m wondering why you said it was a “documentary” in quotations? Is it not really a documentary? I would very much like to see exactly what they present.
Everybody has an opinion. I'll admit that. I'm not getting into these "conspiracies", but I haven't seen any facts about the way the trade center was constructed in these "theories." The World Trade Center was not built the way most other high rise buildings are constructed. It had a large open floor plan with no support columns in the way. This contributed to its collapse: http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/...
Also, if these were not commercial airlines that were flown into them, where ARE all the missing commercial airliners and where are the missing passengers? These facts shoot a lot of holes in all the conspiracy theories and I don't believe them.
Why the hell use planes? Why not just blow it up? It’s not any less believable (Al Qaeda tried it before). Not to mention that’s a lot to expect from the US government I mean come on, its utterly incompetent (they can’t even “fix” social security)?
I put quotes around "documentary" basically just being a smartass...For all intensive purposes, this piece strives to be as factual and objective as is possible from the data they are using..However, choices on what material to use and what to exclude in order to push your own agenda has become synonomous with all modern documentaries, and we must be weary of that, especially when tasked with analyzing such a far reaching, far impacting event such as 9/11...That being said, I think if the doc establishes anything, it is not the validity of this or that individual fact, which the everyman simply has no access to verifying, but the overall notion that there was some sort of cover up and the growing resentment of having our government pull the wool over our eyes...I can only pray that the long held position of secrecy comes back to haunt the Bush administration, as you can already see the karma they have reaped begin to unravel...
Someone wrote: >If flight 77 never crashed into the Pentagon, what happened to it? It's been almost five years since 9/11, and nothing revolutionary has come out that refutes the going story for that day. With Bush's approval rating where it's at, I would've thought by now someone would've come forward with information contradicting what happened. I haven't seen anything all that compelling yet, how long do we have to wait until we get the "real" story? Considering the level of competence our current administration has demonstrated, there is no way they could keep something like a 9/11 conspiracy covered up. No way.
Response: The "lone gunman" and "magic bullet" theories of the Kennedy assassination were brought forth at the time by the government Warren Commission. 40+ years later almost nobody believes that story, and it has been thoroughly discredited over the years. Nevertheless, nobody was ever prosecuted or indicted for that conspiracy.
It turns out that the lies by the government about 9/11 have been known for years by many people. It is simply that up until now, the mainstream media has refused to touch this issue with a 10 foot pole. It is up to people to do their own research on this. The facts are easy to find. Go to http://www.st911.org to learn about the facts. See Professor Griffin's C-SPAN lecture there. Then see 9/11 Revisited. The cover-up continues because the government is hiding the facts from the American people, and most Americans care more about the next football game than they care about learning the truth about 9/11. All it takes to learn the facts is to spend the same time it takes to watch a football game on TV. Go to http://www.st911.org and watch those two videos and then tell me what you think.
I don't know if the planes were different from the given airlines; this is why I stated that this needs more investigation. Nothing in that is based on fact besides eyewitness testimony and interpretations on a few clips of video. I don't consider this concrete evidence whatsoever and in fact it is not.
However, the large open floor plan with no support columns is definitely an issue of interest. Please refer to the different professor's testimonies in the documentary* here:
These testimonies are located near the center of the documentary* to the end. The issue is explained better here. You would probably not believe me if I were to tell you myself, it's probably better for you to see these professors explain it to you for yourself.
*Please note that the provided video is an actual documentary and is rated PG-13 by the Motion Picture Association of America.
Lurker wrote: >I haven't seen any facts about the way the trade center was constructed in these "theories." The World Trade Center was not built the way most other high rise buildings are constructed. It had a large open floor plan with no support columns in the way. This contributed to its collapse: http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/...
RESPONSE: That is a blatant lie which is easily disproved. There were 47 huge steel columns in the core of each WTC tower, not to mention a much larger number of steel perimeter columns. It was very well=built in an unbelievably sophisticated way for the time it was built. Just go to http://www.st911.org and see just about any video or article about the towers and you will find that information. The fact that the 9/11 Whitewash Commission did not mention the fact that the building had 47 steel core columns each was a desperate lie of omission because the fall of the towers as they did collapse cannot possibly be explained in the absence of prepositioned controlled explosive demolition. Go see http://www.st911.org to learn why this is so.
Lurker wrote: >If these were not commercial airlines that were flown into them, where ARE all the missing commercial airliners and where are the missing passengers?
Response: Here is a quote from a movie called, “In Plane Site.” “There are those…who hear this information for the first time, and they inevitably ask the question, well if the plane didn’t hit the Pentagon then where did it go? The answer is, ‘I don’t know where it went…. But, then again, I didn’t say that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, that was [the major TV networks and news agencies]. The question should be, ‘if Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, then where is it?’ And let’s keep in mind if we do find someone, a group, or an agency, that is involved with the obfuscation, distraction, distortion, or cover-up about any information about any of the events of 9/11, does that not indicate possible involvement, and even guilt, in the events of 9/11?”
Check out http://www.st911.org to find out why the government story has to be a lie.
Emp3r0r: You may have to ask the perpetrators that question. Any person who says they know everything about the events concerning 9/11 is lying to themselves and/or you and should be ignored. Not all questions have been answered as of yet, because no real independent investigation has been conducted. The 9/11 commission report bases its conclusions on missing and fraudulent information described in the following documentary: http://www.911revisited.com/...
UnifiedEarth: While searching around for the video you mentioned, I found a viewable version of 9/11 in Plane Sight online. While the video does use convincing language, they give no explanations, only assumptions.
The 9/11 in Plane Sight video can lead people to believe misleading information about the 9/11 attacks. For example, what you said before: "that there is clearly an explosive strapped to the belly of the plane that made the tower fall" They did not actually explain this, but they lead you to believe it. There is absolutely no evidence that I have come across to prove this statement true.
Not to be a dick or anything, but please research the subject further. Misinformation does not help get the facts out, but only makes factual claims look stupid by association :P.
Arn't you glad you didn't enlist...you'd be in Iraq by now, who knows where Baghdad, Sammara, Kirkuk, Fallujah...
Another official story to criticise...Weapons of mass destruction...I'm p!ssed that more media don't ask why it's changed from WMDS to regime change...sure it might of been 2 birds with 1 stone but its like oops cross that out and lets find another reason.
Win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis...pfff some of the Joint Cheifs and Donald Rumsfeld need history for dummies books. No country especially a devout Islamic country will bow down to occupation...and none of us westerners would either - so why call them terrorists? terrorists kill their own, kidnap and install fear...the true resistance are fighting Coalition forces. They are resistance whether anyone likes it or not. Not thugs and assassins, terrorist killers as George would put it.
A good source for 9/11 is http://www.st911.org , http://www.wikipedia.org and also Google Noam Chomsky...for me he's made more sense than conspiracy theory - although I'm always curious about the theories.
The one I'm most curious about is the incident involving the pentagon. Right across the freeway is a hotel-after the 'plane' or something hit the FBI whent to the hotel, took the surveilance and told the staff to keep quite. Very interesting. They saw something.
First, people need to educate themselves at http://www.st911.org to learn that the government official story is a lie. Watch Professor Griffin's C-SPAN lecture there, and then watch 9/11 Revisited which is linked there. It will take you less time than it takes to watch a football game.
Once you are convinced that the government is lying, then the next step is simple. The only way to truly get at the bottom of this is for the people of this country to communicate on a grass roots level, petition for an independent investigation, and demand an independent investigation. That all starts by the government releasing all the evidence it has hidden from the American people. That is where it all starts. Go to http://www.st911.org and signed the petition yet which demands just that. It is a reasonable first step.
Also, share the information you learn with you family, friends, and acquantances.
"Another official story to criticise...Weapons of mass destruction...I'm p!ssed that more media don't ask why it's changed from WMDS to regime change...sure it might of been 2 birds with 1 stone but its like oops cross that out and lets find another reason."
George Bush gave Saddam 48 hours to leave Iraq as a way to avoid war. This was to bring about the "regime change" that Bush had been calling for repeatedly. The WMDs were a reason to seek the regime change. Mind you, the UN, all of our allies in the war - not the countries opposed to it, such as France (who illegaly supplied Iraq with military supplies), Germany (who built Saddam's bunkers for him) and Russia (who also illegaly supplied Iraq with military supplies and even intelligence on American and allied forces such as troop strength and deployments before and during the war) - and even the Democrats all believed Saddam had WMDs.
Besides, if Iraq had no WMDs, why stymie the UN inspectors for 12 years? Why send long convoys of trucks into Syria just before the invasion in 2003 - to protect the trucks? Why bury trucks in the desert north of Baghdad that were set up as mobile chemical labs - to make aspirin? Where did the ricin in the roadside bomb found in Baghdad shortly after the end of major combat operations come from?
People believe what they want to believe. And they will continue to call someone they don't like a liar, even if he didn't lie.
...makes me sound like a Bushie. I'm not. I wanted John McCain (and would still like to see him run in 2008). But I also can't stand when people get up on their sopaboxes and spew crap just because they don't like Bush.
Saddam did have WMDs they were so old they were no longer a WMD threat.
Not all democrats believed the crap Bush provided just look at the vote. Not to mention the real lie people should be pissed about: the connection between 911 and Iraq.
The Rushs the O’Reilys the Coulters no partisan hickory their…
McCain bah! He has been kissing so much Bush ass lately it has opened up the entire republican field.
Some of the "official photos" of 9/11 are demonstrated to be reconstructions, composites, retouched, or otherwise faked. One must then ask: If 19 Arabs were responsible, why did the Pentagon fake photos?
times and how many threads will these conspiracies show up here? This has been hashed and re-hashed on Short News. 50% beleive all this crap and 50% don't believe it. I for one am going back for another one of these:
Well, I shouldn't have said 'fruitless'. In fact, you might discover a lot of fruitful things during your own research...
I guess I was just thinking along the lines of every other start to a U.S. War. The Spanish-American War, World War II, Vietnam, and more recently, this one. Our involvement in all of these, I believe, was tricking the masses into supporting a war. And what has become of those previous investigations? I mean, we now know that the explosion of The Maine was probably due to our own problems... not a bomb. But that's done and over now, and nobody cares.
So... all I really meant was, as time goes on, information will become more and more irrelevant. Not to me, but... to the people that 'matter'. But your efforts are commended... I mean, atleast someone is trying. But my hopes are that lots of people at the top are trying too...
I don't know how much of the whole conspiracy of 9/11 I believe though. In my opinion, I think we had the information and we just let it happen. Like Pearl Harbor. We wanted to do what we're doing now... and that was how we did it. So, I guess I'm just a half-way conspiracy nut. Bwahha.
It's not "intensive purposes" - it's "intents and purposes."
Jeff111, I'm not going to disagree with you, there are lots of things that just don't add up about it all. Until an investigation into flight 77 can explain what happened to the aircraft, and everyone on board, I have no reason to believe otherwise. I really get a kick out of all of the analyses people have done to push their contention that the damage done to the pentagon could not have been made by a plane, because the gash was not wide enough. Unless the aircraft came in at a perfectly level state, the wing lowest to the ground would've disintegrated on impact with the ground.
Lurker I know you’re an intelligent person. Please don’t resort to the tin foil hat mantra. If only we were to all view the free documentary with these collegiate professors dismantling the official story which was presented earlier, maybe we could start discussing the facts and stop dismissing them. It is indeed easier to believe a lie that one has heard a thousand times than to believe a fact that no one has heard before.
"I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crises. The great point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln
...It would be an eventual swelling in population of those that will not sit by and be spoon fed their nightly news..It would be so beautifuly simplistic, in my warped mind at least, if we could somehow harness an online community roughly covering half of the country's (and later world's!) population, justly taking much of the fuel away from the perpetrators of misinformation and devious plotting...It's like we sit here, making our small contributions in the real and online world, trying to stick up for some sense of moral obligation (or lack thereof), when all the while the only tool we ever needed has been staring us right in the face -the power of the people...Question is, how bad does it have to get until enough people want to truly come together for a more noble cause then their own selfish desires? Because until then, all the controlling mechanisms via fear and paranoia that are exploited by those that are wanting to rule from an advantaged perspective will continue to thrive....
Banshee...the comments about the bomb being strapped on the belly of the plane- I am sorry to have made it sound like something I believe to be indisputable, I find very little in this life that is indisputable, i was merely trying to recall what the film was suggesting..Often we confuse our beliefs with the beliefs of what we are discussing..The truth is that some of the greatest men to ever live spent their whole lives trying to determine if even their own mind was in fact real, so believe me when I tell you, there is no way I could know anything for sure when it comes to september 11th..
If there is one thing i try to know for sure however, it must be of our eventual salvation being found within our global, paradigm-shifting evolution into the family of the Whole, living for One...This is no esoteric, new age mumbo jumbo, this is the only practical solution for my great, great grandchildren's peace of mind. ..Until then, let the seperation anxiety continue! Raise your dirty cups to living a dream at the expense of others.....
"Banshee...the comments about the bomb being strapped on the belly of the plane- I am sorry to have made it sound like something I believe to be indisputable, I find very little in this life that is indisputable, i was merely trying to recall what the film was suggesting..Often we confuse our beliefs with the beliefs of what we are discussing..The truth is that some of the greatest men to ever live spent their whole lives trying to determine if even their own mind was in fact real, so believe me when I tell you, there is no way I could know anything for sure when it comes to september 11th.."
I am sorry, but you cannot dispute with the facts, they have no bias. While it may look to you like you can never be sure of anything about 9/11, there are facts and laws of physics that do not fit the original story. You make it seem like there is no evidence, quite to the contrary.
Was there no evidence when the 9/11 commission report avoided the fact that the Twin towers were in fact not hollow like they had stated? Was there no evidence in the blueprints that showed 47 steel columns residing in both building's cores? Was there no evidence when the 9/11 commission report failed to explain the collapse of WTC bulding 7 when no plane hit it?
Many are only seeing the tip of the iceberg floating on the surface of the sea and declaring that is all there is to it. If we break the surface and look under the water, we will find that the iceberg is 90% larger than we had previously thought. We cannot see what we cannot fathom.
of the problem is that, to most people, the idea that their own government would be a party to 9/11, is completely inconceivable, so therefore anything that might point to that conclusion is written off as conspiracy theories, etc...
You said it. It amazes me how so many people that consider dubya an incompetent moron(which he is) can also give him the credit of covering up something as elaborate as 9/11.
At the end of the day, Occam's Razor isn't a concept I see put into use very often on this topic.
You said it. It amazes me how so many people that consider dubya an incompetent moron(which he is) can also give him the credit of covering up something as elaborate as 9/11.
At the end of the day, Occam's Razor isn't a concept I see put into use very often on this topic.
" You said it. It amazes me how so many people that consider dubya an incompetent moron(which he is) can also give him the credit of covering up something as elaborate as 9/11."
Bush is a moron, however he does have a lot of competent people working for him.
"lol @star for some maybe i just dont feel the government is bright enough to pull it off."
If they did pull it off. What did they gain? Iraq is a botched piece of crap. Nothing went right in the Middle East. Now they want to drive their ineptitude on to Iran. These keystone cops couldn't carry out all these conspiracies, much less cover them up.
What did they gain? Well, they gained the patriot act for one thing, and they gained a smoke-screen, they also gained a lot of business for defense contractors (Carlyle/Haliburton). Then there is the money they got to funnel to freinds to 'rebuild Iraq'. You can dismiss it all if you like, but in my opinion, when qualified experts start doubting the 'facts', it's time to take a second look at things.
"These keystone cops couldn't carry out all these conspiracies, much less cover them up."
Yeah, they didn't cover it up very well now did they? Do you think they had the ability to lie about this like the mislead and lied about Iraq?
They gained much by doing this. This gave them a pretext for war against Afghanistan and Iraq which are on the East and West sides of Iran respectively (bases have been built in both Afghanistan and Iraq including a large air base ten miles from the Iranian border, surround the enemy).
Did you know the Indian government was worried about the build up of US naval forces south of Afghanistan two weeks before 9/11? This was in the news (not going to look for a link right now, in a hurry). They also gained an excuse for taking our rights away. This has happened before in history. One example would be the Nazis burning the Reichstag government building and then blameing it on the communists (terrorists). They filled the people with fear and told them that the Enabling Act (Patriot Act) was needed to combat these attacks, but it actually infringed on their rights. Another example would be Nero burning Rome and blaming it on the Christians.
I understand everyone's skepticism in this issue because of not having very many facts. There are just so many that do not fit their official story. It shows that we’re not getting the whole story from the administration, just like we don’t get to see American soldier’s caskets or any official Iraqi deaths.
“There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out.” - Russian Proverb
