Israel Bombing Christian, Sunni Muslim Neighborhoods
Israel's continued drive to destroy the working facets of Hezbollah, is generating some concerned questions. While the Israeli's maintain that their bombing campaign is merely targeting Hezbollah military targets, witnesses on the ground disagree.
Scores of homes and even entire neighborhoods belonging to Christians and Sunni Muslims are reportedly being leveled by Israeli artillery, and the Lebanese civilian death toll continues to soar over the Israeli death toll.
Airstrikes have included a city building used for rescue workers, power plants, water treatment facilities, and other civilian installations that have questionable strategic value. For the region, the U.N. is issuing a humanitarian disaster warning.
Why is it the Hezbollah and Hamas and other terrorist organizations hide behind civilians and the leaders of their countries do nothing about it? Why is it most newspapers and media don't report this side of it?
I find it amusing how there is never any sort of media representation displaying the reaction of Israelis to the civilian deaths.
Oh last time I checked manila, the U.S did quite a good job bombing several innocent civilians in various countries, i.e afghanistan and iraq during their invasion campaign.
Since Lebanese vote for Hezbollah into members of their government, Hezbollah is part of the government. When Hezbollah commits terrorist act, it is the Lebanese government commits terrorist act. The Lebanese government is liable and the Lebanese people is responsible. If people exercise their right to vote for terrorist group, they have to be held responsible for the act these terrorist groups commit.
Well here's the thing, the first time round people didn't know Bush's agenda aka Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld's agenda at all.......but people were responsible for re-electing Bush and the stuff-ups that followed.
But see it from the voters point of view in America, you only get a say realistically every 4 years...you cannot predict the actions of politicians.
Likewise to the Lebanese situation, yet the public knew that Hezbollah was a guerilla movement and choose still to support them...still how can you tell whos with Hezbollah and who's not...this isnt just about wiping out hezbollah at all. There's a hidden agenda...pathetically religion is in there somewhere.
If you are referring to Israel, they are not terrorists. They are attacking a country directly, no intimidation, no terror tactics for a political agenda, simply attacking, and perhaps, massing troops to invade. Whether what they are doing is right or wrong, they are not terrorists.
Explain how this makes sense - you are going after a shiite group who you accuse of terrorism so you bomb Sunni and Christian neighbourhoods. How about these targets?
lighthouse grain silos power plants bridges airports truck packed with children the country's largest dairy farm paper mill packaging firm pharmaceutical plant truck full of donated medical supplies (apparently clearly marked) 17 fuel stores 12 petrol stations Water treatment plant 2 trucks with water drilling equipment 2 hospitals TV station
Btw Clarence, how do you propose sorting out those who did and didn't vote for Hesbollah?
1) Hezbollah was meant to be removed according to Resolution number 1559.
6 years on after Israel left and they decide to invade and kidnap soldiers, good job.
So I suppose terrorists are defined according to how one views the current situation. Just because Israel is the nation and the militia factions seem to have far weaker weaponry doesn't make Israel any more plausible for blame.
The only thing that can be argued in this situation is that their actions aren't portraying a sense of liable miltary action.
What has Lebanon responded by saying? The PM says he will defend his country if Israel should attack, where was his eagerness to resolve the situation when it began by accepting the fact that Hezbollah needed to be removed, or that he was headed in that direction?
None of that is a further failure on the goverment and all responsible of Lebanon. The remaining actions bestowed upon them by Israel are for the lack of control that they've shown and continued to show against the faction.
Whether or not Israeli targetting is justifable is another question, but then again whether the terrorists targetting is justifiable is another question.
So just because Israel seems to be in a more stable position doesn't mean that their actions should be condemned more than those who initiated the conflict.
What can be said is that when diplomacy fails the resulting conflict is never pleasing, for neither side. If Israel were to deal with the faction more conservatively than a ground infiliteration would be more effective, if it was conducted earlier. But that would cause more Israeli bloodshed, and Israel don't wan't to risk their lives when they can tackle the enemy in another way.
@bye "Oh last time I checked manila, the U.S did quite a good job bombing several innocent civilians in various countries, i.e afghanistan and iraq during their invasion campaign."
yes, and your point? at no time in my one sentence reply did i say america is guilt free. america is partly responsible, especially since it supplies israel's weaponry. israel's response is an over-reaction. america did not force israel to do what it did, but it is responsible for not putting an end to it. what israel's doing is illegal. there's a big difference between an extremist group kidnapping two soldiers and an entire government kidnapping and killing hundreds of civilians. it's terrorism at best and genocide at worst.
"6 years on after Israel left and they decide to invade and kidnap soldiers, good job."
they? you mean hezbollah, not the entire lebanese population. israel doesn't seem to know the difference.
"Just because Israel is the nation and the militia factions seem to have far weaker weaponry doesn't make Israel any more plausible for blame."
no, the fact that israel started this by launching a huge offensive in palestine and then lebanon makes them more plausible for blame. then you say, but they kidnapped soldiers which started everything. hardly... if palestinians weren't unjustly imprisoned and treated like dogs then there would be no reason for them to ransom one soldier in exchange for the palestinians in jail. it was an act of desperation which the palestinian militants wanted to solve with diplomacy, but israel wanted to use force instead. hezbollah then kidnapped two soldiers as a sign of solidarity with palestine. it was stupid on their part, but helped in showing the world how israel treats all muslims.
"The PM says he will defend his country if Israel should attack, where was his eagerness to resolve the situation when it began by accepting the fact that Hezbollah needed to be removed, or that he was headed in that direction?"
well duh. what leader wouldn’t say they’re going to defend their country? lebanon does not have much of a military. hezbollah’s too powerful for the PM to remove. many lebanese do not truly support hezbollah, but accept them since they are the only military force their country has. if hezbollah were to leave it would make lebanon defenseless and even more vulnerable than it is now. after past dealings with israel's brutality, removing hezbollah is something most lebanese aren't willing to risk.
"What can be said is that when diplomacy fails the resulting conflict is never pleasing, for neither side"
don't be fooled into thinking diplomacy was ever attempted. the PM of israel refused to "negotiate with terrorists", so even when the palestinian militant group wanted to give back the soldier they were unable to because israel would not talk to them. israel swore after palestines free election that they would punish palestinians for electing hamas. they've been waiting, and the kidnapping of one soldier allowed them that opportunity. why do you think one of the first things they did was to go in and kidnapped palestine’s elected officials?
@anony-chan "If you are referring to Israel, they are not terrorists."
ter•ror•ism= 1: the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion. (Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law) correct me if i’m wrong, but attack and coercion against the public is exactly what israel is doing to get two POWs back.
The Jews are bad. The U.S. is bad. The Jews are bad. The U.S. is bad.
And when the Moslems put a gun to your head to either convert or die after the U.S. and Israel are rendered impotent in your perfect world, feel free to die.
your simple analogy is not relevant to the current situation in any regard. you're also justifying the killing of innocent people simply because they're muslim, and the ridiculous notion that all muslims want you to "either convert or die". i urge you to actually read about the situation before you rush to comment on it with your usual meaningless drivel. thanks for playing anyway.
for itself. Fine Israel has a stronger army and better military. So what? Its closes ally is in europe, its best ally i all the way in NA. The only reason keeping alot of muslims nation away from israel is because of US.
israel is now facing a weaker enemy, wait till it face with iran. So isreal is not going to sit there and be attacked. Yes exactly so will other muslims states.
I read some brainless conservcative journalist urging israel to take the chance and finish syria too. IF israel launch another attack on arab country, they should start planning their own funeral, when they still have a chance. I doubt the ruopeans are gonna save them, the american military is stretch and too far to send help. The situation in iraq is getting by the day....
I beleive those choices of targets are meant to serve 2 purposes: 1) destroy anything that can be used to help make and lauch rockets into Isreal soil. 2) make life misery for Lebanese people. to make them mobile. to detect the Hezbollah terrorists camouflaged behind civilians.
Whereas Hezbollah's tactic is to have Isreal attack Lebanon and accidentally killed more Lebanese civilian or foreigners. (Like Vietnamese war) To make public outcry about the violence. To serve the end purpose that the whole world condemn and isolate Isreal.
I beleive those choices of targets are meant to serve 2 purposes: 1) destroy anything that can be used to help make and lauch rockets into Isreal soil. 2) make life misery for Lebanese people. to make them mobile. to detect the Hezbollah terrorists camouflaged behind civilians.
Whereas Hezbollah's tactic is to have Isreal attack Lebanon and accidentally killed more Lebanese civilian or foreigners. (Like Vietnamese war) To make public outcry about the violence. To serve the end purpose that the whole world condemn and isolate Isreal.
"Whereas Hezbollah's tactic is to have Isreal attack Lebanon and "accidentally killed" more...." well, for an army that has high tech weapons and well trained soldiers... Israel seems to be doing alot of "Accidental killing" of civilians than the amature suicide bombers or Hezbollah or Palestine!
Nomad: So, if you have a garden and you get some undesirable insects (for the sake of the argument let's say greenflies) are you going to kill all insects incuding the ones your flowers need (eg. bees)? life is not black and white, there are many shades, unfortunatly many Israelis see it black and white and that is total arrogance (i say many because i have Israeli friends who totally disagree with what is going on, so not all Israelis agree with it!)
Israel is taking border towns all over Lebanon. Syria has volunteered to broker a cease fire with the US between Isreal and Lebanon, but Israel isn't listening. Instead they've rolled across the border.
And I'm not going to play devil's advocate this time. It's unfortunate that the world had to come to this place again. I imagine we ARE looking at the beginning of WW3, and God, Yaweh(sp?), Allah, or the two week old pizza box on my floor help us all.
I do have to say I'm rather disappointed in the current government of my country, and I hope seriously that we all live long enough to see it end. Be that as it may, I still find myself supporting my country, regardless of the crimes she's commited. Because its not America that is doing wrong. It is certain people who are doing that wrong.
You are wrong: we are not at the beginning of the war. The war is going for the long time. And the name of this war: Islamic Fascism against the world. Many countries and cultures have fallen to Islam in the 20th century. To name a few: Majority of Armenia and Greece is taken by Turks. Where is population?: millions are killed and perished in genocide. Kosovo where Slavic / Christian population is either slaughtered or driven out of the province , overtaken by the Islamic extremists and murderers ( Ironically with the help from the sexually active US President?), Lebanon – used to be the only one on a Middle East, - mostly Christian country where after years of genocide, Christian population dwindled significantly. Israel is just been stubborn. Good Job Israel! Stay there for us!
'You are wrong: we are not at the beginning of the war. The war is going for the long time. And the name of this war: Islamic Fascism against the world. Many countries and cultures have fallen to Islam in the 20th century. To name a few: Majority of Armenia and Greece is taken by Turks. Where is population?: millions are killed and perished in genocide. Kosovo where Slavic / Christian population is either slaughtered or driven out of the province , overtaken by the Islamic extremists and murderers ( Ironically with the help from the sexually active US President?), Lebanon – used to be the only one on a Middle East, - mostly Christian country where after years of genocide, Christian population dwindled significantly. Israel is just been stubborn. Good Job Israel! Stay there for us!'
Do I hear Domino Theory? Try also at American militarism / terrorism post WWII...Nicuguara, CIA training Bin Laden, the drug trade in Colombia, Contra-Affair....Iraqi invasion and occupation based on intelligence that was beaten from Tennet by Rumsfeld who wanted a war there since Sep 13, 2001.
Also try the many coups backed by the US government to favour them in obtaining good deals on resources not to mention allies.
It goes both ways, being a Christian or Muslim has f-k all...i repeat f-k all to do with dispicable acts of greed and power. It comes down to being Human-we are an aggressive race who's most dominant players rule the world....it's a caveman hierachy only on a world scale...surivival of the fittest.
