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08/04/2006 07:23 AM ID: 56105 Permalink   

Georgia Republican Links Homosexuality to Pedophilia


Perry McGuire, Republican candidate for Georgia Attorney General, said in an interview with Agape Press, a Christian news service, that the government should not allow "gay clubs" to meet in schools.

When asked about a federal court recently ruling that a gay-straight alliance cannot be barred from meeting in public school, McGuire said it is "much like allowing a pedophile club or a gambling club to meet at school."

McGuire also called gay-straight alliances "gay sex" clubs. Additionally, he said that "Homosexual activist clubs in schools are detrimental to students and to the moral well-being of society."

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  Agape... my mouth. For f**k's sake.

Can someone expound upon the Georgia laws he cites? How do statutoy rape laws ban sex BETWEEN minors even if (a BIG if) the clubs were about advocating sex? Is this guy just wrong, besides being a backwards moron with fantasies of high school gay sex clubs?
  by: momentofclarity     08/04/2006 07:48 AM     
Because straight men have NEVER sexually molested prepubescent girls.

Only about 10% of the population is gay, but I firmly believe that there are proportionately no more gay pedophiles than there are straight ones. In fact, some of the gay people I've known have been the best people I've ever known.
  by: maverick7h     08/04/2006 07:52 AM     
"Is this guy just wrong, besides being a backwards moron with fantasies of high school gay sex clubs?"

Yeah, he's wrong. No GSA is a gay sex club. Not anymore than the school newspaper is a journalist sex club, anyway.

"Only about 10% of the population is gay, but I firmly believe that there are proportionately no more gay pedophiles than there are straight ones."

There is absolutely no evidence that suggests that homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles than heterosexuals. There is evidence that more heterosexuals are pedophiles, though.

GSA's are great for schools and every school should have one. Why? Because it keeps bigots like this from continuing to join the population.
  by: kolman36     08/04/2006 08:15 AM     
a sickness, a disease.. is now in schools.. my goodness.
  by: zag   08/04/2006 08:22 AM     
ah-gah-peh (not ah-gAp)

Love not astonishment :p

Actually, I don't think schools are any place for activist clubs - or gambling clubs. Permitting them on campus condones their activities. I don't see any problem with students advertising in school publications or on noticeboards, or discussing them though. They could arrange meetings elsewhere, rather than on the schools grounds.
  by: lauriesman     08/04/2006 08:23 AM     
You sound like Dolores Umbridge.

Do you mean that kids should be allowed to form clubs, like a chess club, but it shouldn't be supervised by teachers because it shouldn't actually take place at the school? I'm not having a go at you, I'm just looking for clarification.
  by: NuttyPrat     08/04/2006 09:25 AM     
  good grief  
Every day I become more and more ashamed of my religion. This is not what Christianity is supposed to be. -_-
These people are just obnoxious.
Sadly the idiots are the ones who get all the press time, not the ones who risk their lives as missionaries in East Asia for what they believe. (not just Christianity, but total religious freedom for everyone no matter what they believe)
  by: EyraGarou   08/04/2006 11:48 AM     
  @ Perry McGuire  
Well, I don't think public schools are places where Bible groups and prayer groups should be supported, and people still fight that. Gay clubs? Never ever heard of a single school officially supporting such a thing, but it wouldn't suprise me too much, I guess.

Additionally, should school officials lead a school in prayer at gatherings? No. They are not hired to preach or convert or inflict their viewpoints upon a school's population.) Moments of Silence... more appropriate? Pledges of Allegiance.... Not.

(personally, I think 'Meditation Rooms' or 'Contemplation Rooms' are alright... open to all including Muslim, Atheist, Bhuddist, or Christians... or gay Christians.)

Perry McGuire is just another redneck running for office....
  by: theironboard     08/04/2006 12:12 PM     
I agree. Unless it's part of the schools charter and mission purpose christian or other religious clubs, activist clubs (including greenpeace) should not be holding their meetings on campus. I'd accept one proviso - if they want to pay to hire a hall or something like that, that would be okay too (for any club).

Incidentally, there's a growing movement to remove christian clubs from school campuses too.
  by: lauriesman     08/04/2006 12:32 PM     
  @ lauriesman  
I think where you're gowing wrong is that, in the US at least, gay-straight alliances (GSA's) are, often, NOT activist clubs. They often act as support groups for GLBT students in the school and as learning groups for the straight students of the school. They often put on events in the school (usually after school) to teach people the facts about the GLBT community.
  by: kolman36     08/04/2006 05:20 PM     
  @kolman, lauriesman  
"Yeah, he's wrong. No GSA is a gay sex club."

I know that. I meant, is he wrong about the laws he mentions?

"Actually, I don't think schools are any place for activist clubs - or gambling clubs. Permitting them on campus condones their activities."

You may be right, but where do you draw the line? If students want to form such clubs, then they are already ON campus. In addition, as kolman mentions, these are not necessarily activist clubs - while that makes a nice scary label for politicians like this, they serve other purposes such as emotional support.

"I think where you're gowing wrong is that, in the US at least, gay-straight alliances (GSA's) are, often, NOT activist clubs."

On the other hand, they likely do have an element and agenda components which cuold be considered "activist." They will rally people under political issues. They will try to promote tolerance and acceptance of their members. These are only slightly less activist practices than a Christian group working to convert fellow students, but still no less activism.
  by: MomentOfClarity     08/04/2006 06:19 PM     
  Are Christian Services  
Christian sex clubs?
Mans a friggin moron!!!
  by: ichi     08/04/2006 11:12 PM     
  school are public  
no sex clubs in school.we have enough problems with teachers touching time is over with. we are all sick of someones sexual agenda.....
  by: flukemol   08/05/2006 08:09 AM     
  ack, come on lauriesman  
So you don't condone GSAs? Should straight people never have any contact with gay people then? Should we just kill them all, or wait patiently for them to die and burn in hell?

Or do you just not condone them in schools?

I have never heard of a GSA trying to convert straight people into gay people, though some people seem to believe that is what is done.

If adults can form GSAs, high-school students should be able to also. And if they can't form it at school, where else could they?

My high-school had a GSA. However, it was very low profile. I do not believe any school has the right to deny a GSA, though I do believe they have the right to control what the club can do and say, if anything, outside of its own membership.

To compare a GSA to a gambling club is something I consider to be very... I can't think of a word. Disgusting, or homophobic. How about stupid? Do we even have a word in English yet that describes someone that hates gay people?

Though a few people are responsible enough to gamble within their means with only the intention of having fun, it is clearly a detrimental habit to almost everybody who does it. To seed this in children before they even turn 18 would be truly unethical.

However, a GSA is the exact opposite. They seek to teach people that there is no reason to hate gays. Whether you believe it is genetic or choice (though all scientific evidence points strongly to genetic), right or wrong, sinful or not, it is a person's individual human right to be straight or gay. The truth is, no matter how YOU feel, being gay hurts no one. The reason some people feel otherwise is because they erroneously associate pedophilia with homosexuality, or believe that being gay is wrong and that being friends with a gay person presents a chance that the person will be "converted" to gay. In reality, somebody is gay or not, or bi-sexual, but they are that way before anybody can tell them, and nobody can change that with words or actions. Though, again, some people erroneously believe otherwise.

People have a right to dislike or even hate gay people, wrong as it may be, but they do not have a right to encourage others to be the same way.

While a gambling club in a school could cause little other than harm to a student, being part of a GSA could do nothing but make that student a better person, for life.
  by: maverick7h     08/05/2006 04:19 PM     
No activist clubs on campus? I guess our schools are places for our children to be brainwashed into believing whatever they are told. Free thinking should not be allowed and creativity should be stifled.

Our local high school does not allow the GSA to meet on campus and they have had to find other accommodations. An acquaintance of mine who runs the local PFLAG chapter went to the school to give a lecture to the faculty and most of the teachers and administrators walked out of the meeting when they found out what it was about. Attacks, both verbal and physical, are common at this school and condoned by the faculty and administration. Masked students even went so far as to break into the home of a student leader of the local GSA and attempted to murder him and several family members. Even the police refused to intervene, investigate and arrest the attackers. At the local state college I watched Christians hanging out the windows of the on campus Christian Ministries building yelling obscenities at know gays as they walked by going to class. I have yet to see any gay group attack a Christian group in any way shape or form. If anyone should not be allowed to use my public school it isn’t the GLBT community.
  by: Valkyrie123     08/05/2006 05:48 PM     
  minority groups  
problem is gayism is minority groups will never be truley supported. people want to live life normally like everyone else does and really doesnt want to be influenced by anything that can threaten it. something like 85% of the population is christan so school communities can sometimes get away with preaching this religion. however about 4% of the usa population is gay, maybe 10% in chicago! most of the school kids and staff probably become appauled at the thaught of same-sex being fronted in their community.. dont you see this or is 85% of this site gay? i have nothing against gays btw i like some of them when they dont PMS and i dont know how they pms but they sure act it some times and thats the guys
  by: maccheese   08/05/2006 05:49 PM     
"however about 4% of the usa population is gay"

Worldwide, its somewhere around 8-12%. I do not see any scientific reason why there would be large variation between ethnicities.

Though, lets assume only 8% of the US population is gay. It is completely plausible that half of them are still too afraid or unwilling to admit they are gay to others or even themselves. Still, it is definitely more than 4%.
  by: maverick7h     08/05/2006 07:05 PM     
  This is where  
so-called "normal" people lose me:

>>"problem is gayism is minority groups will never be truley supported. people want to live life normally like everyone else does and really doesnt want to be influenced by anything that can threaten it."<<

How does being homosexual threaten "normal" people's lives in any way? Aren't you secure enough and strong enough to go about your daily lives and not be influenced by other people's daily lives? What a crock.
  by: Lurker     08/05/2006 09:09 PM     
how can they allow gay-sex clubs in schools?!!! they
better allow straight-sex clubs in schools too!

...god knows i could've used one of those in high
school :(
  by: pixx   08/05/2006 09:13 PM     
i've never been influenced by anyone. have always done things the way i wanted.. maybe this is a problem for you?
  by: maccheese   08/06/2006 02:06 AM     
  @lurker, mac  
I think mac was trying to state how SOME people feel, not how he feels. After all, what he said is exactly what people have said in the fights against gay marriage.

Which is another funny and ironic issue, because they say the constitution defines marriage as "between man and woman", but if we really want to take the constitution completely literally, that should mean men have absolute and complete power over women, and women have no rights, because "women" are not mentioned in the constitution. All "women" are not created equal, only "men". Do you see the irony in this?

Though, lurker, by quoting that line of mac's, I realized what an incomprehensibly constructed sentance that was, and it made me laugh.
  by: maverick7h     08/06/2006 03:03 AM     
all im sayin is when i was in school there was 3 or 4 gay kids.. and everyone but one guy in my class was straight and all had girls.. now a days with all these gay things i heard someone call a school in my area gaysrus which just wouldnt have happened 10 years ago.. if a kid has a problem with sexuality then theres councilors and i dont think high school is an appropriate time to have gay clubs.. you can come out in college, thats fine and you wont get beat..

nearly everyone i know does not want to hear about gay advertisements... and nor do i

and ragging on my poor sentences is lame, i come on here only when after work and i had 4 beers so f off..
  by: maccheese   08/06/2006 06:34 AM     
Way to misrepresent my post.

I never said activism was bad, however it should not be done on campus - no matter what its about. I have no problem with people advertising, inviting each other etc, so long as the actual events and meetings are OFF campus.

FWIW, I personally HAVE witnessed pro-gay students verbally attacking Christian students - and it was NOT retaliation.
  by: lauriesman     08/06/2006 09:04 AM     
could it not be retaliation? Christians have been persecuting gays since the dawn of Christianity. Gays have been verbally attacking Christians for how long? 40 years at the most?

You know what, school is school. These days any student will verbally attack any other student. Who is a part of what doesn't have to have anything to do with it. Some parents try to censor their children all the way through high-school, sometimes at great expense of the personal life and developement of the child, when the reality is virtually every 12 year old has already heard every vulgarity imaginable.

Are you the type that still manages to believe that such a thing can be prevented?
  by: maverick7h     08/06/2006 09:16 AM     
There is no "appropriate" time to have gay clubs, save for when a person needs support. GLBT clubs do not make people gay or have any other adverse effect on schools where they exist. Saying a kid should have to wait until college to be himself so as to not be beaten is nothing more than tacit approval of such treatment. In a society where that is accepted, society ought to change. The side effect is that people have to deal with advertisements and "PMS" of activist groups, which is a pretty minor inconvenience given the persecuation others endure. They did not like it when those uppity blacks did it (also a minority, by the way), but society learned to adjust to its fellow man.

Change happens, go figure.
  by: momentofclarity     08/06/2006 02:34 PM     
i think it's not that a 12 yo has already heard of it, but how a gay club in a school can change perception. lately i see a lot more kids 'find them selves out' and go bi or just gay, maybe because its just kinky.. anyways, so many of them because of the extra influence of things like this can have a detrimental impact, maybe not as bad in some schools, but in their lives at home. its best to be 'normal' until you can support yourself.

and this has nothing to do with ethnicity. i mean, if everyone went gay there would be no people left in the world..
  by: maccheese   08/06/2006 06:09 PM     
A school can improve perception of homosexuals just by tolerating such a club.

True, they can only do so in small amounts, but the fact is, if a person isn't mature enough to respect a homosexual by high-school, its likely they will NEVER be mature enough to do so.

More people that come out as bi/gay may appear to act kinky to you, but if anything that is because society is starting to accept them more than you might have seen in the past. And lets face it, to a straight guy, what is NOT kinky about a teenage boy talking and moving around like a female?

However support for these things can't have a detrimental act, because again I will point out that the only people that still believe homosexuality is a choice and not a birthrite are either strongly religious or misinformed (often the same thing, ha).

Sadly, you are right in saying it may be in their best interest to act normal until they can be self-sufficient. By acting normal you mean acting straight. I want to know though, is there a little man behind a green curtain somewhere decideding where to draw the lines between normal and unnormal?

To come out with your minority-sexuality before you're even out on your own requires an incredible amount of bravery and deserves respect. It is a shame so many parents feel that they've failed if their son or daughter turns out to be gay, when the parents only really fail when they reject them as such, yet so many do.
  by: maverick7h     08/06/2006 06:27 PM     
  @ mac  
"lately i see a lot more kids 'find them selves out' and go bi or just gay, maybe because its just kinky.."

Or maybe it's because they're not afraid of being murdered anymore. Nah, couldn't be that...

"i mean, if everyone went gay there would be no people left in the world.."

And if everyone were straight the entire world would be completely overpopulated and starvation would be rampant.
  by: kolman36     08/06/2006 07:12 PM     
  Rather weird  
Some people act like gay is a virus that can be caught like the flu. I have gay friends but oddly I have never ever gotten the urge to get with another woman. I don't see my other stright friends suddenly wanting to go gay because we hang out with gays.

If they want to have a club let them. If not lets ban every single club that could be activist. You know, the French club is convincing kids that being French culture is the best in the entire world and telling them all to renounce their american citizenship and become French.
  by: jaded fox     08/07/2006 12:52 AM     
It is not retaliation because the Christians involved did NOTHING to incite the persecution - were not involved in anything anti-gay, made no inappropriate comments, they did nothing - yet they were verbally (and in a couple of cases) physically harassed by gay-activists simply because of their religion.

It doesn't matter if there were 5 millenia of Christians persecuting gays - that does not excuse or justify attacks against innocent people.

It's ironic that you seem to find it okay for gay activists to engage in harrassment and persecution - but not vice versa? Why is that?
  by: lauriesman     08/07/2006 01:17 AM     
No its not ok for either side, but I have a few points to make.

Surely, gay-activists are harrassed ALL the time. Maybe if our society was mature enough to leave them be, it wouldn't have happened?

Have straight activists, or any other people never verbally attacked people that are Christian?

Without reason, this was wrong, you're right, but I can understand what motivated them to do it. Additionally, you might be leaving some factors out, like perhaps these people belong to a congregation that is notoriously anti-gay. You also make it sound like ALL gay-activists may attack Christians sight. Simply not true. Gay activists are some of the most peaceful activists around. Clearly, you have a dislike for them.
  by: maverick7h     08/07/2006 04:34 AM     
attack on sight.
  by: maverick7h     08/07/2006 04:35 AM     
"And if everyone were straight the entire world would be completely overpopulated and starvation would be rampant."

isnt it already like that in many parts of the world?
  by: maccheese   08/07/2006 06:44 AM     
If gays did assault Christians just for being Christians that is wrong and they should be admonished for this infraction. I have had gay friends in private conversation call straight people “breeders” and I went ballistic on them for their slander. I don’t care who you are, what your religion is, what your sexual preference is, if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. The hate needs to stop. Now you have to decide whether you are going to part of the problem or part of the solution. Choose.

As far as activist groups in school go, I hope there are more. Let the next generation think for themselves. Don’t turn them into mindless obedient sheep. If it wasn’t for school activist like a certain group of students at Kent State Univ. the Viet Nam war might still be going strong. This country was founded by ‘activists’, I hope their legacy is carried on.
  by: valkyrie123     08/07/2006 06:29 PM     
Kolman already made teh sarcastic remark I would have about kids turning gay, so let's move on...

"so many of them because of the extra influence of things like this can have a detrimental impact"

I have to admit here that I have no idea what you're talking about. "So many of" what/whom? "Extra influence of things like" what? I can only assume that you mean things like self-discovery of sexuality by teenagers has a detrimental impact, to which I ask, "Such as?"

Why should certain development and self-discovery not take place, like most, during childhood - because they are morally controversial? I think the lack of maturity some show over topics like this show just why this is a poor course of action.

"in their lives at home. its best to be 'normal' until you can support yourself."

So it's back to 50s-era self-repression then, eh? No emotions, and never let your family know the real you. Surely living a lie even around those who love you most could not have a "detrimental impact." Sarcasm aside, you suggest a course of action which impedes psychological development and breeds neuroses. THAT is harmful.
  by: MomentOfClarity     08/07/2006 08:33 PM     
please read maverick7h's reply to my post as he had the comprehension to sum up almost exactly what i ment.. thanks
  by: maccheese   08/07/2006 11:47 PM     
I really do not think even YOU know what you meant. How did mav "sum up" anything - he was REBUTTING your statements. Perhaps you find that he will not call you out on your disorganized comments more attractive, but I see you will not directly address a counterpoint from either one of us, or anyone, anyway. I do not care if these are your beliefs or not, because if you take them up they are yours to argue or concede.
  by: MomentOfClarity     08/08/2006 12:03 AM     
  dont know  
i dont know enough to decide on the matter.. but i believe kids dont need this stuff in school.. it has nothing to do with ethics, but kids will just plain not understanding of dissenters no matter how many clubs..
  by: maccheese   08/08/2006 08:24 AM     
  @moc again  
i skimmed maveriks reply to mine and still i think he better understands what i was trying to say than you can.. im glad he rebutted it, be he knew what he was rebutting.. you just said a bunch of irrelivent things
  by: maccheese   08/08/2006 08:27 AM     
Is English your second language, by chance? More and more I'm thinking that the barrier between us is linguistic, rather than cognitive. Either way, I think I'll make this my last reply on the subject and call it a topic, because there is little more to say.

I think you give kids far too little credit. Social progress made over in the latter half of the last century alone is proof - more and more people are rejecting, not accepting, homophobia. These people were once kids, and kids have to be taught to discriminate. In an environment where none are persecuted, kids learn to accept people for people, even if it takes time. It's not just the gay kids who get the chance to develop in these situations, and that betters us as a society.
  by: momentofclarity     08/08/2006 09:18 AM     
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