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08/21/2006 07:59 PM ID: 56443 Permalink   

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."


Literally interpreting a Biblical passage, Rev. Timothy LaBouf of Watertown, NY has dismissed a 54-year Sunday School teacher. Mary Lambert was dismissed on August 9, apparently without warning, based on the first epistle to Timothy, quoted above.

Outside the church, "I believe that a woman can perform any job and fulfill any responsibility that she desires to" Labouf, a city councilman, said. He claimed that his decisions on the council would not be affected by his beliefs, but others worry.

"...Those are disturbing remarks in this day and age," Mayor Jeffrey Graham said. "Maybe they wouldn't have been disturbing 500 years ago, but they are now." The church board stated that there were other unspecified issues involved in the dismissal.

    WebReporter: MomentOfClarity Show Calling Card      
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This immediately reminded me of this post in the forum:
  by: deadmeat     08/21/2006 08:15 PM     
  "other unspecified isues involved in the dismissal  
oh no, was she dressed up in non-modest clothes? or did she wear gold and pearls?
There are religous extremists in every religion, that doesn't make the religion bad. Paul himself was assisted by a woman in his teachings (he is not my best desciple but he will be fine in this example).
  by: DarkAngelJG     08/21/2006 09:20 PM     
I smell the ACLU coming into play here...
  by: hunt3r   08/21/2006 09:41 PM     
Isnt there a line in the bible on the best place to buy your slaves also? If so I guess we better make slavery legal again as well...

  by: slavefortheman     08/21/2006 11:24 PM     
  @hunt3r, darkangel, all  
hunt3r: Why would the ACLU get involved in a religious affair? There are some beds under which the bogeyman just does not live.

darkangel: I expect she wore white shoes after labor can really take your pick of lame excuses, they just chose not to specify one. Be it a church, police department, or scientific institution, when vague references are made in public statements on sensitive issues, you can smell the bullsh-t for miles.

Since some of Paul's letters are of very questionable authorship and his conservative beliefs often find little corroboration from other NT sources, I put much less stock in "his" words. Frankly, if this is the direction in which this congregation wishes to go, I'll let their faithful decide. Servants of God are in short supply these days, so if they think they can afford to just pick and choose like this, best of luck to them (ESPECIALLY in finding male Sunday School teachers)!
  by: MomentOfClarity     08/21/2006 11:44 PM     
  @deadmeat, @moc  
Deadmeat : which post inparticular?


Paul's letter to Timothy addresses a situation that has arisen in the latter's church - women leading men in religious education. To understand why this was a problem, it is essential to look at the historical context. Timothy's church is in Ephesus, and as with pretty much the entire middle east - and world in general - it is fiercly patriachal. Women are not educated beyond basic language, they have few rights. One of the many things women at that time were not taught is the Law of Moses, and the study of the Torah. This enforced ignorance became a problem when women began "teaching" men about how to obey and follow God. Not just speaking up in church and giving false doctrine, but behaving as teachers. In short, Timothy had pretty much loss control of his congregation. In addition, these women were dressing and behaving in manners that owed more to pagan worship (dressing like temple prostitutes for example), and immorality than was appropriate for followers of God.

Paul's letter is a guide for Timothy to regain control of his church, and rectify these problems.
  by: lauriesman     08/22/2006 01:27 AM     
Unfortunately, we're talking about a man, possibly a church, that has taken a literal interpretation over one considering such contexts. I know passages like this are outdated and lack meaning without the proper environment, but with all the fanatics in the world, we must discuss those who do not know this. Since this letter is thought to have been written a generation or two after Paul's death and is one of the most conservative, I thought it also a good time to mention my own view of "Paul," the rock upon which so many build warped versions of Christianity.

The Bible, like many religious texts, is a fine tool, provided you have the capacity to savor it rather than merely swallow it whole.
  by: momentofclarity     08/22/2006 04:01 AM     
living in the area, i can tell you it was more about church politics than anything else.
  by: m1k3   08/22/2006 05:46 AM     
I agree, I'm just wanted to be clear that it's a human judgement, not a biblical one.

One has to wonder how LaBouf was able to fire a woman employed for 54 years, with no recourse - simply on his own decision. Normally these things have to go before a board at least - and to pick such a reason for dismissing her? Not exactly smart.

  by: lauriesman     08/22/2006 06:21 AM     
  Just saying  
Though I disagree with the statements made by the Rev. I would have to add, It would all depend on the religion and how you believed. I find in todays world some people only believe in the parts of the bible that suit them and discard the rest as non believe. Myself I think it should be all or none. There isn't any in between.
But the article did say the REV. was Literally interpreting a Biblical passage. Almost sounds bad but who's to say his interpretation isn't correct? Religion is a never ending circle and the truth is the bible is a mans interpretation of its content. Many men as a matter of fact. Probably why there are so many different religions.
  by: hellblazer     08/22/2006 07:47 AM     
After reading Dr Schlongs open mail, I wonder how is it that, one can change the word of god as they see fit. Wouldnt it be like, the one who changes is GOD himself.

christians tsk tsk tsk.
  by: kinko     08/23/2006 04:59 AM     
"christians tsk tsk tsk"?

Blame it on the man, not on the religion - there are millions of fair minded christians in the world.
  by: lauriesman     08/23/2006 05:46 AM     
.....Christian(s) not Christianity....But now I realize it should be...tsk tsk tsk Christianity. Since it stands on such belief.
  by: kinko     08/23/2006 12:43 PM     
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