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10/12/2006 01:33 PM ID: 57570 Permalink   

Spectre of 9/11 Reawakens Following Manhattan Plane Crash

 

The Pentagon ordered fighter jets to scramble over several cities, including New York, Washington, Los Angeles and Seattle, yesterday following a plane crashing into New York skyscraper. [SN reported]

One of the two killed in the crash, Cory Lidle, was a pitcher with America's largest baseball club, the New York Yankees, after the plane, a Cirrus SR20, swerved off its path over the East River.

Michael Bloomberg, New York’s mayor said in a public address “Everybody is sensitive when a plane goes into a building. But homeland security sees no evidence of anything relating to terrorism or anything remotely like it."

 
  Source: www.guardian.co.uk  
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  My question is this  
 
I have to arrive at the airport 2 hours before my flight. Get a grilling from the check-in staff, take off my shoes, belt and any other objects before going to be searched , leave liquids and sharp objects like nail scissors behind etc etc etc All to create the illusion of safety …And you can still fly a frekin private plane around New York ….???
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     10/12/2006 01:58 PM     
  I wonder  
 
If this same mishap would have been carried out by an American named Hussein or Kamal or Ahmed?? Or plainly an African American?? What would have been mayors statement??
 
  by: kinko     10/12/2006 02:12 PM     
  @ kinko  
 
somehow terrorists?
or maybe "related to a terror group"?
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     10/12/2006 03:19 PM     
  @kinko  
 
His liberal ass wouldnt of said a damn thing.

Now quit your crying. Maybe you should get your muslims friends to stop running planes into buildings - then the "racial profiling" will stop.
 
  by: classy   10/12/2006 03:54 PM     
  @classy  
 
Maybe if you yanks would quit commiting genocide and backing israil to do the same, then maybe they would not feel the need for revenge.
 
  by: GarouNova   10/12/2006 04:50 PM     
  Its always  
 
Our fault. Its OUR fault muslim extremeists are being terrorists.

I believe the 9/11 hijackers were doing it for "Allah", and thier 48 virgins. Not thier 'people'.
 
  by: classy   10/12/2006 05:03 PM     
  @ classy  
 
sorry, but from your way of speaking i can tell you need to go out, meet more people from different cultures and understand what it's like to be in other people's shoes.
i am not saying what terrorists do is right, but even your fellow americans are sick of what this admin does.
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     10/12/2006 05:08 PM     
  @Hugo & kinky  
 
Cory Lidle is licensed and was driving with his instructor. They took off from the 1 airport and were flying in visible flight pattern. He was only flying above the east river and something obviously went wrong. People do this very, very often, they just dont crash. The agency that is investigating it said it could take a few months up to a year before they release a definitive statement on what happened.

@kinko
Yea, you're wrong. I highly doubt that after someone crashes into a building and has his charred remains fall 20 stories below you would be able to immediately recognize his nationality. And if you read, NORAD sent out fighter jets right away, so regardless of your ignorant comment, they would have responded the same way no matter who it was.
 
  by: confed   10/12/2006 05:10 PM     
  @classy  
 
People martyr for vengeance, not for for virgins. Who would want that many virgins anyway, every time you get close to one of them they would start crying about how this is their first time and they want it to be special and then they'd giggle about they don't know what to do blah blah blah. Keep the 100 virgins, I'll take one clean prostitute thank you very much.
 
  by: koenig32   10/12/2006 05:15 PM     
  @Dark  
 
Please explain.

I didnt mention the admin at all.

9/11 happend before the iraq fiasco, so im not sure where your going with that.
 
  by: classy   10/12/2006 05:19 PM     
  Weird...  
 
The building DIDN'T collapse.... Hmm I WONDER WHY??? /sarcasm
 
  by: thegreatgonzo     10/12/2006 05:22 PM     
  Mental Illness?  
 
OK, this guy's lawyer is claiming that Blauvelt suffers from mental illness. Let's see. Where have we heard that before.
 
  by: Ginger Heart   10/12/2006 05:25 PM     
  WT???  
 
OK, I have no idea how that comment ended up here. It was meant for the Naked prosecutor in the public building. Someone please move it. Thanks ahead of time.
 
  by: Ginger Heart   10/12/2006 05:27 PM     
  @Koen  
 
This is taken from this website:
http://www.citizensoldier.org/...


"Muslims are motivated to terrorism because the Koran, the Bible of Islam, tells them that fighting non-believers is a duty of every Muslim and the only way to be certain of going to heaven is to die fighting in the cause of allah.

If they can make it to heaven, one of the rewards all Muslims are promised is 72 virgins. The number of virgins is not specified in Koran, it comes from a quotation of Muhammad recorded in one of the lesser known Hadith. ("Hadith" is an Arabic word meaning traditions. After Muhammad's death, several collections of his deeds and sayings were assembled. These collections are called Hadith and form the second most authoritative document is Islam, right after the Koran.)

According to this page*(Link at bottom), the specific Hadith in which the number of virgins is specified is Hadith Al-Tirmidhi in the Book of Sunah (volume IV, chapters on The Features of Paradise as described by the Messenger of Allah, chapter 21, About the Smallest Reward for the People of Paradise. The same hadith is also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Koranic commentary (Tafsir) of Surah Al-Rahman:

"The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]."
So it isn't the case that only martyrs get the virgins, but the only way to get the virgins is to get to heaven, and Koran is quite specific that the only way to be certain of getting to heaven is to die in Jihad."

*Link to page
http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

These are great links, while reliable at the same time.

It goes to show that Quron promotes violence and rewards with polygamos relations with women. Im sorry but I just dont have any kind of respect for muslims, extremest or not.

A relgious book that gives permission to kill for relgious reasons. That defines extremeism for me.
 
  by: classy   10/12/2006 05:37 PM     
  @ classy  
 
i can argue that christianity is the same!
the bible mentions killing in many occasions, does that mean all us christians get in arms and go killing people? No!
Don't read the Quran through websites taking bits and pieces, either read the whole thing (which also says don't kill innocent people) or don't read it at all!
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     10/12/2006 05:51 PM     
  @Dark  
 
Umm, Please tell me where the Bible says to kill people. I want a specific verse.

Exodus, 20:13 says Thou shalt not kill.


The websites refrence the verses in the Kuran, I dont know how much more proof I can give.

At this point your just wanting to belive that is all those nasty americans fault that muslims run planes into buildings. At which point, it becomes a childish argument and not a debate.
 
  by: classy   10/12/2006 06:17 PM     
  @classy  
 
Deuteronomy 13 - Stoning to death if they didnt beleive in god.

Certain verses of Leviticus - Stoning to death for adultry.
 
  by: slavefortheman     10/12/2006 06:32 PM     
  @Slave  
 
Your correct - but there is a difference between what the Kuran teaches and what the Bible teaches -

"13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee."

The bible teaches of false prophets trying to lure you from Christianity.

The Kuran says that if your not muslim, you should be killed.

So here is what we have: Muslims are sposed to kill Christians because we dont belive the way they do, and Christians are sposed to kill Muslims for being false prophets. Setup for the end? Maybe.

The bible speaks of Heaven and that it is a place which words cannot describe, but by no means does it sound like its a drunken orgy(which the kuran does).

Im sorry, its just my personal opinion. I am sure a lot of other educated Christians feel the same way, but will not come out and say it in fear of being denouced by others. Its sad.
 
  by: classy   10/12/2006 06:46 PM     
  I declare  
 
A war on Baseball players.
 
  by: Megaman1986   10/12/2006 06:59 PM     
  @classy  
 
Well there are others too.

Exodus 32:27
Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.

Numbers 15:35
And the Lord said unto Moses, The man [who was found picking up sticks on the sabbath] shall be surely put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones.

1 Samuel 15:2-3
Thus saith the Lord of hosts ... go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare him not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

I would have to say in both cases both are very violent texts in certain areas. Of course at the same time the Quran also says that one will go to hell for killing those who are beleivers so even by their own law men like Zarqawi were guilty. Essentially people have used these texts to masacre and mame all in the name of god. Sadly it goes both ways.
 
  by: slavefortheman     10/12/2006 06:59 PM     
  Ignore classy, guys.  
 
He's an obvious troll. No serious person would dredge up such obvious idiocy to support a serious point of view. Sheesh...
 
  by: Mister crank     10/12/2006 07:52 PM     
  @ classy  
 
Slavefortheman provided a few. 1 thing you mentioned which is very right is "Thou shalt not kill"
this is the same commandment from the quran "17:33: And do not take any human being's life - that God willed to be sacred - other than in [the pursuit of] justice."
and they it shares the other 9 commandments with both the bible and torah.
Seriously, read the Quran, it is interesting, and the torah and any religion book you can get your hands on... religions are very interesting and you can learn new things from all of them so go enjoy yourself and don't call others childish while YOU are criticising others without knowing all the angels to their belief.
I am not muslim but i believe all religions should be respected.
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     10/12/2006 08:29 PM     
  Okay  
 
Now that we're totally off the summary with biblical whatever, how about the fact that NORAD immediately scrambled fighter jets when they became aware of the plane flying into the building. Uh, where the hell where they on 9/11? I seem to recall some bs excuse.
 
  by: John E Angel     10/12/2006 08:53 PM     
  @classy  
 
The only sad thing about this is you my dear friend,let me enlight you with some stuff ok dude?
1- History:
------------
i`m a moslem, the Islam never says to kill ppl who aint Moslems, go back to history: the Islam was spread throughout Asia,Africa and some of Europe beginning from 700 A.C. (golden age: 700 till 1100 A.C.), never killed any population,only fighted the Crusaders who tried to take Jerusalem. go further to 1100 A.C when the Islam brought light and knowldge to
Middle ages europe through Andalus (today Spain). go further in recent history: 22 arabic countries u have and none of it attacked a non moslem country,they attacked each other like iraq but no more,in fact,we were the ones who got attacked and dont mention israel.

2-Religion:
-----------
dont go to pethetic websites that translate the true Quoran into false english words and let u believ things u dunno about and make moslems looks like savages.FEW moslems attacked in 9/11 and
u call all of us murderers, the Islam reconize Jesus and ALL the christian and Jews prophets,so how do u want us to kill their people? if u was smart u would pay attention to that point. we have a whole chapter in Quoran named Mariam (Mary,mother of jesus) talking about Jesus and how he will come back and all this, and then u say that we should kill non moslems..u probably one of those fat bums who saw AL Taliban crushing Budha`s statues in afghanistan in the 90`s and thought that Taliban represent all islam and they crush a buddhism statue = islam want all non moslems crushed. u might aswell go back to ur Doughnuts dude.

3- i think u have read The Clash of civilisations for Samual Huntington and i tell u from now: its all wrong. go read for Fokoyama or for Greg Palast u little conservative, or even for ur master Henry Kessinger "the big chess" or whatever.
get some education dude, ur comments are so uncivilized.
i dont feel to put some links and references for u,but u go ahead and show us ur better than a sttuborn person who refuse to open his mind.
 
  by: Darkside79   10/12/2006 08:58 PM     
  common  
 
its the best thing that happens for Bush and his admin, in 90`s the excuse was USSR, then it was north Korea, then we had to invent 9/11 for Bush,and now we need new blood: NY attack.
so typical
 
  by: Darkside79   10/12/2006 09:02 PM     
  @classy  
 
I think you are aware of numbers? Iraq vs twin towers. Well guess what my pathetic friend? Multiply that number 100 folds. thats how many islamofascists this admin has created.

Every death is pointed out to USA, hence the fathers and sons of those who died are going to ask and will need answers from your likes.

Then blame Islam.
 
  by: kinko     10/13/2006 03:15 AM     
 
 
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