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10/16/2006 05:36 AM ID: 57652 Permalink   

Report: North Korea Plans to Test Hydrogen Bomb

 

Kim Myong-chol, director of the Center for Korean-American Peace, who is regarded as an unofficial spokesperson for Kim Jong-il has claimed in a radio interview that North Korea has an H-bomb and is ready to test it.

When asked for evidence the director replied, "that’s why we are going to test the bomb." He went on to say "If the Bush administration makes more provocations, both New York City and Tokyo will be blazed."

The South Korean Ministry of Unification minimised the importance of the remarks, saying they should be ignored. Kim however claims to be in contact with high ranking North Korean officials and that his comments are representative of Pyongyang.

 
  Source: times.hankooki.com  
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Kim also said that thee North is targeting the United States but does not want to wage a war against the South as long as Seoul takes a neutral position. "The destiny of the Korean Peninsula will be decided within a week, and South Korea should maintain its neutral stance, Seoul should request that Washington not mobilize U.S. Forces Korea (USFK) even if a war breaks out."

I don't know if this guy is a crank or the genuine article but if North Korea has the H-bomb then that changes the game a bit. My understanding is that reliable intel is hard to get out of North Korea so we really don't know what the hell is going on in there.

I guess the other question is how Kim Jong-il actually plans to wage war on the US considering the results of his recent missile tests.
 
  by: ixuzus     10/16/2006 05:45 AM     
  Lol  
 
They are like gnats at a BBQ, damn people... Love each other and be happy, Hippies had it all right!
 
  by: swordfizh   10/16/2006 06:00 AM     
  nothing  
 
can stop the US from bulldozing over that sh*thole if they so much as pick the bomb up off the ground. we tolerated kim jung il turning the country to sh*t, so now is the time that we take a few thousand troops and a sh*tload of tanks and aircraft to tear their sorry excuse for a military to pieces, hang their jackhole "leader", move everyone to south korea, and leave the area as a fallow field for a couple of decades. you wanna play assgrab? we'll give you a few new assholes, you third-world dictator chump.
 
  by: cellardweller1   10/16/2006 06:07 AM     
  Hope  
 
I sincinerly hope the US is hit hard... What gives them the right to tell other countries they can't have nuclear capabilities, yet the US still spends billions of dollars improving it's own.. In my opinion is just a ditch effort by the US to oppress the countries which don't tolorate its bullsh*t cowboy attitude, and to give the US a distinct advantage should any conflict actually arise. I pray for the day China and Russia team together and tell the US to sit the f*$k back down.. In a country that has the highest murder and crime rate, where kids are allowed to purchase guns from convienince stores, where the obesity and general health is spiralling out of control, they sure know how to tell the rest of the world how it should be done.. I say F#$K the US, we should all band together to take down the Bush Regime.
 
  by: larryanders   10/16/2006 07:48 AM     
  Yes Mr. il...  
 
Give Bush an excuse to invade a country. Oooohhh NY is gonna be a blaze, yeah well about 5 minutes after that your country and your precious Peninsula will be in the same state.
 
  by: Stiks   10/16/2006 07:51 AM     
  Go North Korea  
 
Yes, North Korea have been going through a bit of a ruff spot in the last decade, but good on them for persuing thier nuclear abitions, and now the H-Bomb! America, you've bought the world ever so close to all out nuclear war, all in the name of God.. PATHETIC! So where will be your God when the H-Bomb comes falling on top of your Greatest cities. I'll tell you... Hiding in a bunker in the middle of the desert like the coward he is.
 
  by: larryanders   10/16/2006 07:54 AM     
  It's funny  
 
how Americans think theyre invincible, 1 bomb on NY will kill and cost the US more than destroying the entire of North Korea would.... Good Game US.. You've lost, we can only hope Iran gets in on the action as-wel..
 
  by: larryanders   10/16/2006 07:56 AM     
  @larry  
 
So, you created an account, today, to post that load of crap?

"In a country that has the highest murder and crime rate..."
I thought that was Darfur.

"where kids are allowed to purchase guns from convienince stores"
Kids aren't allowed to purchase firearms. You must be 18 and submit to a criminal background check. For pistols, this process takes several weeks and the process must be completed prior to the purchaser is given possession of the weapon.

...where the obesity and general health is spiralling out of control..."
LOL! The Europeans call us prudes because of our anti-smoking, tofu, and strict alchohol laws. Nonetheless, I think you might be on the mark with this point.

"I sincinerly hope the US is hit hard... "
I sincerely hope you're strapped to any such missle that dares violate this beautiful country. :P

(Lately, I've heard/read in the news that terrorists were using the internet... Now I'm a believer!)
 
  by: carnold     10/16/2006 07:59 AM     
  That's called war..  
 
Darfur is a region, not a country, involved in civl war, something the US is no stranger too. Crime and War are different, but obviously Americans are not able to tell the difference. And the US has only just recently overturned its laws over kids buying guns... but still school shootings persist.. almost weekly..
 
  by: larryanders   10/16/2006 08:08 AM     
  He can barely build a nuke...  
 
besides having the force of a toy car hitting your toe....how is he even going to get it over here....with their inferior rocket technology?

We would blast it out of the sky faster then they could push the launch button.
 
  by: nesibuss   10/16/2006 08:09 AM     
  @Larry  
 
Of course it will cost us more but thats only because North Korea is not gonna survive to make repairs. Oh and we are far from being "invincible" but we are a hell of a lot closer to it then North Korea.
 
  by: Stiks   10/16/2006 08:11 AM     
  Respect?  
 
You treat north koreas militay capibilites as if you were planning to take on a bunch of homeless... I think your forgetting you've already lost in Korea once, losing near a million soliders in the process and to what end? The money that America spens on trying to police the world could have ended 3rd world famine decades ago, if the US even put half of its millitary budget into medicine, they could have a cure for cancer and aids... but still they put bilions of research into advancing theyre weapons... The US are no better than Osama himself, creating wars to quell theyre own fears, that other coutries don't have to listen to them, that other countries won't take theyre crap anymore.
 
  by: larryanders   10/16/2006 08:15 AM     
  @Stiks  
 
Your forgetting that North Korea is a huge economical stratigec point for China.. Do you really think China are just gonna turn a blind eye and let the US destroy it? And what of Russia? The other key ally to North Korea, the country which gave them the means to build Nuclear weapons in defiance of the US? You Americans are gonna get us all killed, and yourselves in the process and put back the advancment of the human race another hundred years.
 
  by: larryanders   10/16/2006 08:20 AM     
  Why is it Americas fault...  
 
North Korea is the crazy one here, they are provoking every possible way..... why throw gasoline in a fire unless your ready to get burned?

You don't bring a fire cracker to a table full of M-80's

They act like they just discovered fire...and no one else has...even though we are waving around flame throwers.

I doubt they will try to light their small match against our volcano.
 
  by: nesibuss   10/16/2006 08:25 AM     
  Why is it americs fault?  
 
Where do i start... not only where they the one's to invent the damn A-Bomb, and the only one's to cowardly use it on civilians... The US are the one's provoking North Korea... saying that actions must be taken out on them, for violating a treaty which they didn't even sign... By trying to put sanctions on the counrty to stop millitary effects being imported into it, by doing so, limiting its capabilities of defending itself against the US. North korea have said fro the very day they started theyre Nuclear Program, over 50 years ago, that it was doing so to defend itself against the threat of the US.. How safe do you think the people of east central Asia feel with the US provoking war, and having over 16,000 nuclear warheads ready for use and at theyre disposal? America needs to take a step back a have good look at itself.
 
  by: larryanders   10/16/2006 08:34 AM     
  Sigh  
 
But from reading the comments posted by americans here, it's obvious all hope is already lost... <deleted by admin> And for referance, you don't need a missle to deliver a Nuclear Weapon..
 
  by: larryanders   10/16/2006 08:38 AM     
  Protecting itself from the US?  
 
I'm sorry but we were doing just fine till they decided to go nuclear...no one threatened them with war at all before that,

Even so...their stuff is weak, so they wasted time.

But please elaborate on how you plan on getting a nuclear bomb into america thats the size of the one North Korea is making.
 
  by: nesibuss   10/16/2006 08:43 AM     
  and btw...  
 
I'd watch saying how badly you want the US to get nuked...you might get a knock on your door. I wouldnt be suprised if this site gets shut down or looked at real close now by the US government.
 
  by: nesibuss   10/16/2006 08:47 AM     
  User larryanders:  
 
Your references to nuclear devices and your preferred uses of them are completely inappropriate. Please refrain from making these kinds of comments.

Thank you.
 
  by: Polaris     10/16/2006 08:51 AM     
  @larry  
 
"That's called war... Crime and War are different."
True. Crime and war are different. What is happening in Darfur is called genocide. Look it up. That is a CRIME.

"Your forgetting that North Korea is a huge economical stratigec point for China.. Do you really think China are just gonna turn a blind eye and let the US destroy it?"
Please... N. Korea was literally living off of welfare from the US before we discovered their nuclear program and stopped sending them checks. "Huge economical stratigec point for China" my butt. HOW??? (I'll bet that question goes unanswered.)

Truth is, China is prospering because it is finally in the global market and it is prospering greatly as a result. The US and Europe are among its largest trading partners. If you think they're about to throw all that away for some kooky dictator with a wet-dream, you're outta’ your mind. Oh... and guess what? China has already agreed to sanctions against N. Korea. (snap!)

"Do you really think China are just gonna turn a blind eye and let the US destroy it?"
I don't think they'll turn a blind eye. Quite the contrary – I think they’ll look on, the way people rubber-neck at a car accident. They’ll remain neutral and watch the other eastern-Asian nations dismember N. Korea, as the US assumes a strategic-support role. With all of N. Korean’s latest wave of threats and actions, a military response will soon be beyond reproach.

Additionally, if N. Korea got their hands on a nuclear weapon it would cause an arms race in the SE region of Asia. Do you think China likes the idea of being surrounded by nuclear-capable countries? Nope. They’d rather N. Korea do without, than the entire region proliferated with nukes.
 
  by: carnold     10/16/2006 08:59 AM     
  @Polaris  
 
larry is kind of "Dee-dee-dee". I doubt the word "appropriate" registers with him.

His words and syntax seem oddly familiar... Hmmm... an alias created by a "regular" that doesn't want to use his "usual" screen-name to post these ugly statements?
Does this site track IP addresses of those that post comments? He just opened an account, today. I'm curious if his IP address would match with any of the other "regular" users. Something to look into...
 
  by: carnold     10/16/2006 09:06 AM     
  And check the IP...  
 
to make sure its not coming out of Afghanistan or North Korea ;p
 
  by: nesibuss   10/16/2006 09:15 AM     
  Carnold, nesibuss  
 
Such curious users! Not to worry. We will deal with anything on this site that is problematic. Admin have the capability to track re-emerging banned users or dual profile users via their ip.

And I assure you: no one on this thread is posting from either of those countries.
 
  by: Polaris     10/16/2006 09:24 AM     
  heheh  
 
Well, as much as I dislike american foreign policy, NK is one country that should be handled with utmost care.

@carnold
larry has some "interesting" opinions and is fairly articulate but don't think he is a imposter.

who are you thinking of?
 
  by: jendres     10/16/2006 09:33 AM     
  @Polaris  
 
LOL! Nobody on this thread is from those countries? Uh oh... I hope Timothy McVeigh didn't break out of prison to post that crap!

I'm really glad to hear that you DO track IP addresses. Maybe this will shame the idiot into shutting his pie-hole.

Thanks, dude!
 
  by: carnold     10/16/2006 09:34 AM     
  @jendres  
 
"who are you thinking of?"
I think you know... =P
 
  by: carnold     10/16/2006 09:37 AM     
  crazy  
 
<All caps will be deleted. Don't use all caps>
 
  by: redpest   10/16/2006 10:07 AM     
  boring  
 
propaganda, propaganda, propaganda, this thing is getting old. sick and tired of it. the new world order is at hand. soon the fate of billions will be decided. and the new world order as 'they' want is gonna suck, and as always, truth triumphs in the end, falsehood perishes. tick tock goes the clock, only a matter of time, when everyone will face the worst case scenarios.
if North Korea has a bomb, boohoo! america has way many. so what is america whining about? jealousy? it's simple 'logic', i bet most of the people don't even know what that is. and i'm not even going to bother with sarcasm coming at me from this post, cuz that is what people do without 'logic'.

look at cellardweller1's comments, he thinks he's some kind of a bully. people are dying out there, while he sits at his home and eats his food and enjoys his computer. if you care so much, go join the military.or else, just stfu!

nesibuss is another tard, he probably slept with the NK's military chief that he knows now what kind of missile technology they got...its the military, not your home, they probably have a hundred nukes as far as anyone can tell. 50 years is alot.
and redpest , relax bro. nobody called in America for help, they are unwelcomed and uninvited guests in the country. you should read other website news etc etc, even recent survey shows they want american military to leave. nobody wants em there, and since when did america care about other countries, it's been proved that america has terrorized it's own people, look at 9/11. if you ever looked into it, you would know the truth.
peace brothers.
 
  by: FunkMan   10/16/2006 10:25 AM     
  PEACE  
 
TOTALLY AGREE FUNKMAN PEASE! HAVE A GOOD ONE
 
  by: redpest   10/16/2006 11:51 AM     
  oh pur-leez  
 
Weren't NKoreas last rocket tests all failures? If they launched a rocket with a nuclear / Hydrogen warhead, It'd be intercepted and (and i know this is a cliché) NKorea would be atomised.

Do your worst you mentalist poison dwarf.
 
  by: koultunami     10/16/2006 01:07 PM     
  i would love  
 
to see kooltunami go 'oh pur-leez' when he sees a nuke heading towards him where he's staying at. but then again, i wouldn't want to be near anywhere a nuke missile. and check out the 'double standard'. if NK sends a nuke and yet it fails, you still want to atomise NK, for which you will have to use the NUKE for which itself is fighting against from other countries having......typical double standard.
 
  by: funkman   10/16/2006 01:23 PM     
  @larry  
 
You've gone off the deep end, lad. You let your hatred of the repubs lead you to an awful conclusion. Yes, Bush & co are nazis, but nothing warrants someone to wish nuclear war on another country.
 
  by: Mister crank     10/16/2006 02:29 PM     
  @larry  
 
Sometime it is better to remain silent and thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.

The first nuke Kim sets off on any but N. Korean soil it will be game over. The US will send about 200 heavy nukes over and N. Korea will cease to exist. Kim has the worst case of small mans syndrome I have ever seen. Check out the 4” platform shoes he wears, disco fever, and the big hair! Like a 70’s reject, so retro. There’s a case of micro-penis if I ever saw one.
 
  by: Valkyrie123     10/16/2006 02:37 PM     
  @funkman  
 
Koultunami to NKorea "pur-leez"

Fine, if Nkorea has said "we have fired a rocket at the UK, specifically at Koultunami right now" I would do one of two things.

1. Make some toast
2. Make some tea

As either 2 things can happen.

1. I get nuked and killed, i cant run to the safe zone in time, so why bother
2. The missile is intercepted.

If Nkorea fired a nuke and it failed /was stopped, of course they should be blasted into a glass desert. What's your solution Einstein, just wait for them to fire more until they actually succeed?

It's not a double standard, they can have their stone age nukes if they want, but if they fire one at my country and it fails, then they better duck and cover pretty quick as Trident Submarines all over the globe unload their nuclear arsenal on North Korea.

"Kim Jong-il… we fired missile but it fail! The British are retaliating with their entire nuclear arsenal!"
"Roh no rearry? … Fire another one!"
"We only had one!"
"Sh*t…"
 
  by: koultunami     10/16/2006 03:32 PM     
  Some food for though.  
 
1) A confilct on NK soil is futile for America, sure its winnable, anything is with enough money, but at what cost, lets not so quickly forget Vietman and the Korean War.

2) NK has no allies if it starts a nuclear war, China and Russia will only back NK if they are purely on the defensive, any actual first strike by NK means they swim alone.

3) Delivery method by rocket doesnt seem feasible based on what they have chosen to show the world, that they have for rockets. However, need to keep in mind this is the 21st century,and lots of people want to hurt the US,military wepons get misplaced and stolen everyday, this is a scarier thought too if you think about it, if they aquire them in this fashion, we wont even know they have them untill they are launched at us. Also lets not forget another obvious delivery method, airplane, thats how we delivered Hiroshima, if they straped a bomb to the bottom of a passenger plane whould any even notice untill its too late?

4) Americans should be scared, we are in a unique position here, and that nuke put us here, we were the 1st to make the bomb successfully, we announced its capabilities, we conducted tests and shared the devastating results, we told the world you cant have them, (they didnt listen well), our stand on them is you can't have them cause you "might" use them, we are the the ONLY country that HAS used them.

5) The most important one in my opinion, we are not afraid of NK delivering us a bomb directly, the value of this knowledge is worth billions to some, it only needs to be valuable to the highest bidder. Who he sells it to is the biggest threat.
(as usuall supporting facts and sources are avialable upon request)

Personally I belive the US and Russia created this mess, on the plus side, an armed society is a polite society, NK wants to be taken seriously without the threat of the US, all they want is us to get off thier back, they have found friends in China and others, let them alone. We didnt listen when they asked nicely (if you can call it that) and we still arn't listening now.

Now its 2 school yard kids, with thier friends gathered around watching, no one will back down because you cant look scared now, everyone is looking, they all came to see a fight, though none of them really know why, the teachers have all long since gone home, what happens next .........

 
  by: netwerk     10/16/2006 03:35 PM     
  Some Food for Thought  
 
corrections in my previous title
 
  by: netwerk     10/16/2006 03:37 PM     
  @inferior people  
 
before you rant,
read this about the super race:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/...
 
  by: stop4trains   10/16/2006 03:38 PM     
  link  
 
theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20587474-2703,00.html
 
  by: stop4trains   10/16/2006 03:44 PM     
  @koultunami  
 
so what you are saying is that if their missile fails to explode/intercepted/destroyed , you still want to nuke a country of a population of 23 millions, of those of whom survive become mamed etc etc, and disfigured bcuz of radiation, and the whole land inhabitable, bcuz of one poor missile that can't even hit you in the U.K. and plus the radiation will spread to probably south korea, which will be damaged too.
if this is so, then this is war, and in war there are casualties, alot of casualties, i guess in the end it comes down to what kind of a person you are to think and do a thing like that.
 
  by: funkman   10/16/2006 04:52 PM     
  Larry you are ignorant  
 
Larry, you are an ignorant, ignorant fool. America would NEVER use nukes against anyone unless we were attacked first. Iran and NK would use them to attack someone, for no reason. Not self defense..

This is why we have to police the world, because insane people such as yourself are running countries. If they would chill out, act like normal countries they could have all the nukes they want. Until they quit threatening to "wipe Israel off the planet" and "Attack Tokyo", they will never and should never have nukes.

What happens when North Korea is hurting financially and Osama offers to buy their nukes? They will sell because they don't care. Why should we just sit back and allow them to build nukes and sell them to terrorists?

People like you make me want to vomit.
 
  by: STFUnoob   10/16/2006 05:10 PM     
  @funkman  
 
in a word: yes.

In a longer word, if a country fires a nuke at us, we should retaliate in the same manner, as they only want our complete annihlation by nuclear fire.

So funkman, lets say you live in... i dunno France... and North Korea kept firing nukes at you, but they were being stopped by American lasers or falling into the Ocean... what would you as the PM of France do? Sit there and wait for the nukes to hit one of your cities????
 
  by: koultunami     10/16/2006 05:15 PM     
  since  
 
you want me to me a commander of the army, i would send my army over there to take care of kim's retarded @#$, instead of sending forces to countries that we don't need to, british forces in iraq, what are they there for? nobody called outsiders there. things were alot better in iraq before the 'west' came there, and guess what did they come for, to control the 'oil'. ever heard of the word 'oil'. i hope you did. and i hope you do your research. and let's see, 'WHY' would a country like NK want to nuke U.K in the first place? NK ain't that retarded to start a fight with a big power like U.K. unless pushed to the limits. Men do what they must to survived when cornered. if NK doesn't want to bow down to the world, does that mean it's a bad thing? besides as the saying goes, "Power Corrupts, Absolute Power corrupts Absolutely". And guess who has power in this world scenario!. peace.
 
  by: funkman   10/16/2006 05:30 PM     
  The Obvious Point...  
 
The thing you all seem to be missing here is the fact that North Korea has tested these bombs and straight away are threatening attacks on major cities such as New York and Tokyo.

All of the other Nuclear bearing countries have never used Nuclear bombs before... (Excluding America who used 2 nuclear bombs and despite the life lost in Japan probably saved more lives because this meant the end of World War II... Something most people forget when talking about these bombs)

I'm not American, but i do stand by them in what they are saying. They have managed to keep the world nuclear free for 50 years now, how can that be faulted?

The thing that really gets me though is the fact that bush is happy to go diving into a lot weaker countries such as Iraq and Afganistan (and probably Iran next) but he's terrified of going into North Korea... A country which realistically needs to get its sh*t sorted.

All the people who believe that North Korea are well within their right to make nuclear bombs must be absolutely f*****g crazy... Why would North Korea need a nuclear bomb? What are they hoping to achieve? They want to seem dominant and they want control. A state befolded in secrecy and complete control over their people as such should NOT be allowed this kind of power. This is what will result in the end of the world.

If anyone doesn't think i'm talking sense here then please give reasons why.

Thanks
 
  by: dook   10/16/2006 05:53 PM     
  @funkman  
 
"If the Bush administration makes more provocations, both New York City and Tokyo will be blazed."

They threatend to Nuke Tokyo and NYC... you gave the example of what would i do threated with nuking and i'm in the UK that's where that came from.

NK can have nukes I dont care, but if they use them, then they suffer the consiquences. You casually say you send your army in there, well i'm sure the 1,000,000 plus troops Kim has will have something to say and your army creates a land war that makes Iraq look like a sandpit. Then North Korea nukes your greenzone, and your landing craft area... oh what a big mess...

if only Nkorea hadnt tried to nuke Tokyo or NYC...
 
  by: koultunami     10/16/2006 06:00 PM     
  @koultunami  
 
"NK can have nukes I dont care, but if they use them"

How can you come out with a phrase like that? It's like giving a child a toy but saying they can't play with it.

What are they going to do with them if they don't use them? Why else would they want a Nuclear Bomb? It offers a country such as that no Security or Negotiational options, It just causes tension and unease.
 
  by: dook   10/16/2006 06:03 PM     
  @ polaris  
 
Sorry, just dead curious...
is larry from the same country KoQ is from?
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     10/16/2006 06:11 PM     
  ok, plain and simple...  
 
Is he KoQ?
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     10/16/2006 06:12 PM     
  I don't thnk  
 
that N. Korea can even get an H-bomb to the USA, unless they fly it here, in which case it would be shot down over the pacific with no problem and cause less harm to the planet IF it went off in the process. As for Japan and S. Korea, I think they might be much much more vulnerable. Dropping something on either one of those countries would probably get a retaliation; and eye for an eye, then go to a full sclae ground war..
 
  by: cbuilding   10/16/2006 06:20 PM     
  @Polaris  
 
Ip addy's are so easy to change.
 
  by: classy   10/16/2006 06:22 PM     
  link  
 
theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20587474-2703,00.html
 
  by: stop4trains   10/16/2006 07:21 PM     
  I am an american  
 
Ok first and foremost I am an American and proud of it. Now I'll be the honest and say BUSH needs to go and quickly. He has done more harm to us than any other president alive. For some reason hes still in office after breaking many of our own laws, oh wait hes the pres I forgot he keeps changing the law to suit him. But even though i do despise bush with a passion. If u think for even a second that NK will send a nuke to NY then that little man needs to wake up. My country spends Billions on Defense and I can tell u we can barely sneeze now without our gov knowing what were doin. we can spot an object less than 3 meters from 2000 miles away so if u think he could get a bomb our way unlikely. Of course if we were nuked or attacked I still do not condone the use of equaly force. using another nuke would not be good. If we refrain from using a nuke after we were attacked we would look like a better nation one that has higher morales than the other. And morales is something the american gov needs badly. Plus i dont see the need for us to nuke them. we can just decimate the entire country with our non-nukes. then once we are finished with NK we can have SK take the land and and they can govern that nation. But to say I hope America gets nuked is just a moran speaking who can not see the grander side of things.
 
  by: lordgenesis   10/16/2006 07:46 PM     
  Grander thing for a Grander Chessboard  
 
@lordgenesis: so we take NK and give it to SK?

"interesting, and the reason people want nukes is because ..?"

 
  by: redstain   10/16/2006 07:57 PM     
  @larryanders (& Funkman)  
 
First to Larry:
You sir, are a loon. We built the first nuclear bomb in a race to beat germany to the punch. Remember that Hitler guy? We used them to end a war that we DID NOT start. I will not go into the moral side of it because that is not what is being debated.

You keep generalizing Americans and lumping us into one big pot. Either you don't have a clue what is going on in this country politically or you refuse to acknowledge it because it blows holes in your argument. What Bush is doing is NOT the popular opinion of the majority of Americans.

North Korea should not be allowed to possess nuclear technology because it destabilizes the region. Do you understand that concept? It has nothing to do with the US or China or Russia or Turkey or Pakistan or Isreal (did I miss one?) having the capability; North Korea cannot be trusted to be diligent and prudent in the choices they make, so a nuclear weapon in the hands of crazy-like-a-fox-Kim is totally unacceptable.

The very allies you claim they have are in agreement with the US on this one.

Where are you from? You spout these inaccurate statistics as fact with no data to back up your suppositions. Do you know what propoganda and rhetoric are? I do, they are the words coming out of your mouth.

Funkman, please see above.
 
  by: twisted_mister   10/16/2006 08:10 PM     
  Do your homework  
 
I'm seeing alot of il words towards the US over this stuff, and alot of it seems to come from the very well uneducated. First off, I am an American, and am proud to be such. Secondly, I do not back up Bush in any way, and will be incredibly happy when he is replaced.
Now, my main point is this... Everyone seems to look at the US like a "Bully" Nation. Well, let me ask you this. Let's say you have law enforcement personel in your country. They are well trained, well equiped, and are ready to quell any threat. Now, let's say that there is a small gang that goes around terrorizing people. All the locals know about the heinous acts, this gang keeps details to a minimum. The law enforcement personel are hearing about these acts, understands that the validity of these claims if very high, but does nothing. Unopposed, the gang can cause terror wherever they choose, whenever they choose. What happens of that gang gets their hands on some explosive devices? Who is to stop them from blowing up buildings, and causing harm or death to a great deal of people. What will you think of those law enforcement people if they knew this gang could get their hands on that power, and did not stop them. Do some research on NK and see just how left field their leader is.
Yes, a country should have the right to protect themselves, but NK is moreso an offensive country. If the US, and/or UN step in, you can bet your hide that they are also saving your butt too. Perhaps if NK had a more stable minded leadership, then nobody would care if they have that capability, because they will be responsible with that power.

NK in their current state can NOT be assumed to be responsible with that kind of power.

If NK has Nuclear Missle capabilities, NOBODY: Europe, Chine, Australia, South America, North America, Africa, etc will be safe. Even NK wouldn't be safe from itself. Their leadership is just possibly unstable enough to bomb their own people to get rid of a problem.

Do some homework on NK and YOU decide if you want them to be able to put you in their sights.
 
  by: ID10T16   10/16/2006 08:33 PM     
  don't play with matches, dear  
 
So, we're going to walk in, erase the government. Just like that?

Interesting. I wonder why these countries would want nukes in the first place.
 
  by: redstain   10/16/2006 08:49 PM     
  Democracy? No, thanks.  
 
Maybe nations are not ready for the kind of 'democracy' we visited on Iraq.
 
  by: redstain   10/16/2006 08:56 PM     
  insane/unstable/dangerous  
 
Why should we think that NK will pre-emptively use nuclear weapons? (I don't necessary disbelieve that) I see people throwing around terms but I don't see much to back it up. Certainly their rhetoric has been pretty extreme but how far is it from 'axis of evil' or 'you're with us or against us'? It's all well and good to keep saying that NK is lead by evil dictator who will launch those nukes at the tip of a hat but it ain't like anyone is going to just take the US's word for it at this point.

On the point about stability, I'd just like to point out that NK has been a destabilizing influence in the region for a long time and the truth is countries in the region aren't unhappy about that. The ugly reality is that Japan, Russian, China and even the US have been satisfied with a split Korea. It's in the national interest of all of those countries for the Koreas to remain seperate and weak. That might have changed now that NK claims to have nukes but let's not pretend that everyone is going to be jumping for joy if the Koreas end their internal strife completely.
 
  by: bane39   10/16/2006 08:59 PM     
  @larryanders  
 
@larryanders
"And the US has only just recently overturned its laws over kids buying guns... but still school shootings persist.. almost weekly.."

Dude, where are you getting your info from? The legal federal age to purchase a rifle has been 18 (and 21 for handguns) since the Federal Gun Control act of 1968 was passed. That's right, 1968. That's hardly recently. Furthermore, in 1993 in became law that each and every person purchasing a firearm be subjected to a background check, and in many states a mandatory waiting period before taking posession of the firearm. On top of that, the 50 states have the power to enact gun control on top of the Federal laws. In many states it is nearly impossible to obtain guns, while in many others it's quite easy. If you want to see children running around with Kalashnikovs, go to the mideast or Africa. The only children here who obtain firearms are generally the progeny of irresponsible parents.
 
  by: galvatron   10/16/2006 09:07 PM     
  @larryanders  
 
Your various statements about the US have made it clear that you know very little about this country.

Some of your statements:
"kids are allowed to purchase guns from convienince stores"
"obesity and general health are spiralling out of control"
"You Americans are gonna get us all killed"

Let's do a point-by-point, shall we?

Kids can't legally purchase guns. Crime is a sad fact of life in any society, so don't act like this only happens in the US. I'm sure that, wherever you are, someone with the necessary money and determination could acquire weapons - the same way they do here. We call them criminals, and we punish them as such. Don't propagate the lie that this is accepted behavior in America - it isn't. Check your damn facts.

Obesity is a problem, yes. However, this is due largely to media hype and ever-changing medical standards as to what 'obese' really means. As far as general health, one would expect that this would also lead to a change in average life expectancies. Do your research - check Google - and notice that the US life expectancy is right up there with the best of them. (http://geography.about.com/...

We're going to get you all killed? If we're really as hateful and careless as you'd believe, then why the hell should we care if you get killed?

The world should be paying very close attention to North Korea right now. Whether you believe they should have nuclear arms or not - the key catalyst in this situation is UNPREDICTABILITY. NK is a closed society, run by someone who starves his own populace in favor of military funding. The US, France, England, and other Nuclear nations are not going to drop an h-bomb without considerable thought and warning. North Korea might.

You're the kind of person who associates the beliefs of the average American with the policies of the American government - and this is neither fair nor accurate. Grow up.
 
  by: winterblade   10/16/2006 09:51 PM     
  abrettb  
 
all of those who are bashing america and how we handle foreign dictators on this page that live in america should be thankful that you have the right to do that without being executed.and the united states murder rate and crime rate are coming down now that the anti gun congress is no longer in power.
 
  by: abrettb   10/16/2006 10:02 PM     
  Ok  
 
let's keep this civil. Stop calling each other names. Just debate the topic.
 
  by: Lurker     10/16/2006 10:35 PM     
  Hey, larry...  
 
Do you realize that if the U.S. government were to take the remaining money out of medical research for AIDS and cancer, it could buy guns for all the fat kids and make more room on the convenience store shelves for moon pies and lard?

Troll on, larry.
 
  by: zetaphi   10/16/2006 10:49 PM     
  hmmm  
 
i agree with lordgenesis that the US can kick the crap out of NK with alot of non nuke weps. that is what i would do too.
@twister_mister
i'm not even going to bother with you, since well, alot of things are happening in the world maybe you should look into. Wars can be engineered, world war 1 was engineered, world war 2 was engineered. you want proof, look it up yourself, if you still can't find anything, i'll post you relevant links. the NWO isn't far. The 'Gods' of the ancient are trying a come back. Babylon can suck my @#$$s. go do your homework. i'll say no more. the american government, almost all governments are chess pieces in the big game. it's just a matter of time when they move for check-mate. ciao then my friend. very soon you will know the truth. very soon everyone will know the truth.
 
  by: funkman   10/16/2006 11:44 PM     
  Wow  
 
Great article, stop4trains. I suggest everyone read this article. It’s really sad and disturbing. I dislike Kim Jong-il even more, having read it. It reminds me of Hitler’s attempt at creating “the Superior Race”.
Here is the link that stop4trains provided: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/...


stop4trains, why don’t you do an SN piece on this? I would love to do it but, considering you were the one to discover the news article, it wouldn’t be “good form” for me to do so, without your permission. GREAT find!

Back to the subject…
The US wouldn’t use nuclear weapons to take out N. Korea. It doesn’t have to. Even if N. Korea were to launch a nuclear weapon against the US, the US would refrain from using such deadly weapons; although the missiles would land in N. Korea, the fallout would have consequences for all its neighboring countries. Additionally, using such a destructive weapon would only further victimize the people that are already being oppressed and victimized its current leadership. International communities would demand a new government to replace the current N. Korean dictatorship – not the annihilation of the entire nation.

@bame39
“Why should we think that NK will pre-emptively use nuclear weapons?”
Where have you been?

@dook
Great post. Great points. Kudos.

@funkman
“…and since when did america care about other countries, it's been proved that america has terrorized it's own people, look at 9/11. if you ever looked into it, you would know the truth.”
Oh, boy… that says it all. It’s difficult (at best) to reason with someone of that mindset. It would be akin to when Columbus trying to convince everyone that the world was round.

@jendres
You hate Carlos, I know. Just bear with me… :)

For the sake of levity, I give you this 3-min. video on America, mid-east, and nuclear weapons. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/...
 
  by: carnold     10/16/2006 11:49 PM     
  Darn links...  
 
In re to stop4trains' article (that I reiterated in my post), go to the address bar and remove "<b" from the end of the address. It will work, then.
 
  by: carnold     10/16/2006 11:52 PM     
  @dook: why would anyone want the bomb  
 
Why would anyone want a bomb. Could it be just to join a bully club? Maybe. But having a bomb can be dangerous, no?

I've seen the news articles and the cartoon as soon the bomb went off. Surely you remember them;
* He's trying to get attention, Rone-rey!
* The bomb wasn't very big.
* Maybe the bomb was a fake.
* He's a threat.
Each of these theories was supported or acquiesced by the Military Dept. The stories and excuses have flipped this way and that - never consistant.

The truth is that, having a bomb or not doesn't make you less or more liable for the US to come after you.
Iran, Venezuela, NKorea, Cuba, Iraq, Nicaragua, Syria, Palestine, Libya, Balkans, Afghanistan.
All these countries have felt the eye of US administration upon them. Which ones had Nukes? Does it matter?

You're gonna get @ss-**ped anyway, with nukes, the consquences might be worse. What do you do?
 
  by: redstain   10/17/2006 12:05 AM     
  @redstain  
 
You go out of your way to try and stabilise the problem before it becomes too late?

That's the only way a problem such as this can be solved. I'm not for american action where americans shouldn't be, i am however for a worldwide reasoning that the threat that North Korea are themselves trying to pose to the world, particuarly to the US & Japan, needs to be stopped whilst we're still at this stage. With North Korea we're no longer at the start of the problem, The problem is unfolding. The fact is we haven't got a clue about just how strong the North Korean's are, and that is a worrying fact.

So in answer to your question i believe the only logical reasoning is sanctions as requested and if after a specific timeline Kim will not abolish nuclear acitivities then intervention will be required. It should NOT however be lead by the americans.

I notice as well Iran's now jumping on the bandwagon with North Korea now standing and saying they will not abolish their nuclear activities.

I am proud (Is proud the right word?) of Japan however, for their statement saying that they will not develop nuclear bombs. This is a crucial step for such a modernised western society. It can only be a good thing.
 
  by: dook   10/17/2006 12:47 AM     
  @redstain  
 
You go out of your way to try and stabilise the problem before it becomes too late?

That's the only way a problem such as this can be solved. I'm not for american action where americans shouldn't be, i am however for a worldwide reasoning that the threat that North Korea are themselves trying to pose to the world, particuarly to the US & Japan, needs to be stopped whilst we're still at this stage. With North Korea we're no longer at the start of the problem, The problem is unfolding. The fact is we haven't got a clue about just how strong the North Korean's are, and that is a worrying fact.

So in answer to your question i believe the only logical reasoning is sanctions as requested and if after a specific timeline Kim will not abolish nuclear acitivities then intervention will be required. It should NOT however be lead by the americans.

I notice as well Iran's now jumping on the bandwagon with North Korea now standing and saying they will not abolish their nuclear activities.

I am proud (Is proud the right word?) of Japan however, for their statement saying that they will not develop nuclear bombs. This is a crucial step for such a modernised western society. It can only be a good thing.
 
  by: dook   10/17/2006 12:53 AM     
  just your average joe....  
 
first of all. anyone can fight anyone. i don't care. i don't live in a big city. i don't think a whole people can be literally eliminated. the worst case scenario is millions of people die in the big cities. i would mourn them, but from far away. its like when two gangs fight. i just watch from far away. if you want to pick a fight, its ok. u.s. is tryin to pick a fight. its ok. the real losers will be the soldiers. in chess the pawns always die first. glad im not a soldier. this whole war thing seems to be not really about whos in control or who has what but more about who can make the most money during "waaaarrrrrr." its the companies who win. the metal companies making the tanks win. the clothing companies who make the soldier uniforms win. the gun manufacturers really win. the agriculture industry wins. the u.s. economy wins. Soooooooo, who are the losers? its, the soldiers. i mean. how much does a soldier actually make for giving his/her life? i'm guessing companies will make billions from this war. from the u.s. point of view, this seems to be like, "economy balancing" and ummmmmmmm, U.S. population control. ooops.
 
  by: antiwork3000   10/17/2006 01:14 AM     
  @antiwork3000  
 
Interesting points. It's also a way of culling the worlds populations... Can you imagine how overcrowded the world would be if WWI & WWII never happened?
 
  by: dook   10/17/2006 01:27 AM     
  @dook: don't see how being non-nuclear helped Iraq  
 
@Dook:

you have argued that "Non-Development of nuclear weapons" has been a stabilising factor in world politics. To a certain degree I will agree. If the whole world was devoid of nuclear weapons, and the US was the only nuclear-capable country, it would become a very stable world very quickly. The question is whether the world wants to live in that kind of stability.

During a press conference today at the G8 summit in Russia, President Bush told President Vladimir Putin that Americans want Russia to develop a free press and free religion “like Iraq.” To laughter and applause, Putin responded: “We certainly would not want to have same kind of democracy as they have in Iraq, quite honestly.” CNN’s Ed Henry called it a “tough jab.” http://images1.americanprogress.org/... [Quicktime required]


My question still stands. Does being non-nuclear make you safer against winds of change?
Iran, Venezuela, NKorea, Cuba, Iraq, Nicaragua, Syria, Palestine, Libya, Balkans, Afghanistan.

When we come a-knocking to herald 'KoreaStorm', wouldn't they want to have 12-gague leaning against the porch.
 
  by: redstain   10/17/2006 01:32 AM     
  @dook: population control  
 
It's nice to see a man wave his true colors proudly. Too many times, we have people try to pretend what they are not - just to seem more credible, or pander to 'the moderates'.

If that's how you see WWI and WWII; population control. Weeding out the weak. Dog eat dog. Nature at work. Nothing fancy like freedom, or proponents of an ideology. Just a way of 'thinning out the herd'.

So what's your rationale on deaths in 'concentration camps'? Enquiring mind want to know.
 
  by: redstain   10/17/2006 01:38 AM     
  @redstain  
 
They would want to have a 12 gauge on their doorstep... But if you worked in a gun store and someone came in to purchase a 12 gauge who has a bad track record of threats in the community would you happily allow this man to own a shotgun? I know i wouldn't...

The point is the system of let every man (or nation in this context) arm themselves is ludicrous. A system such as this doesn't work - compaire the amount of gun related crime in America where this system runs in comparison to a place such as Britain where it doesn't run and you'll see it's the wrong way of thinking. Man should earn the right to own weapons not be guarenteed it.

I clearly don't just believe WWI and WWI to be population control. My point was that it was a 'good form' of it for the world at the time.

As for the concentration camps, that was clearly a racist cull by a brainwashed dictator. But can lightly be compaired as to the report earlier posted on here about North Korea's attempt to make a superrace... (Isn't that what Hitler was trying to achieve?)
 
  by: dook   10/17/2006 01:51 AM     
  Oh and the Bush quote...  
 
Everyone knows Bush is a moron... that's just another quote on what seems to be an ever expanding list of stupidity.
 
  by: dook   10/17/2006 01:52 AM     
  ahh thanks carnold  
 
did you're first post translate to:
"If you don't like us you're a terrorist"

because that made me giggle
 
  by: political exorcism   10/17/2006 01:53 AM     
  @larranders  
 
Sh*t, the only reason we lost so many soldiers was the US was trying to be nice. They could care less about civilians if we got nuked. **** them all if that happens
 
  by: luc2010   10/17/2006 02:25 AM     
  @larryanders  
 
First off, I am not here to be-little anyone. I respect all opinions, because opinions, even my own are by nature flawed.

That said I would like to make a rebutle on the side of the US about the "cancer and aids" remark by larryanders. Before you bash people for their contributions to these horrible afflictions please review these independent websites about funding information.

http://medicine.plosjournals.org/...
http://www.journaids.org/...

As you can see the US spent on average 5 times as much as any european nation on average 'per capita' for cancer research and treatment, and more then twice as much as any major contributor to aids funding.


 
  by: paulguerra   10/17/2006 02:33 AM     
  justifications/rationalisations vs. basic rights  
 
You can justify the right to bear arms all you like. You can rationalise why the world should stomp NK all you like.

But, as the crass movie quotes go:
".. can be a criminal or a cop. When you're faced with a loaded gun; what's the difference.."
They have been watching us take out one country after another. Who cares if we're "TeamAmerica; world police", "Fourth Reich" or the "Mormons", no-ones gonna say "oh, okay, come in and make yourselves comfortable, you want some lemonade".

"WWI and WWI[sic] ... population control ... it was a 'good form' of it for the world at the time."
At what point did 'nostradamus' forsee a calamity that necessitated population cull? As far as I can see, the world was doing fine then. Oh you mean the cull was to deal with the 'depression'? Got no job? Let's send you off to be killed. Nice one.

Question still stands (again):
Does being non-nuclear make you safer against winds of change?
Iran, Venezuela, NKorea, Cuba, Iraq, Nicaragua, Syria, Palestine, Libya, Balkans, Afghanistan.
 
  by: redstain   10/17/2006 02:35 AM     
  @zetaphi  
 
aye, i smell troll.
 
  by: caution2     10/17/2006 03:01 AM     
  My 2 cents worth ........  
 
@larryanders
"I sincinerly hope the US is hit hard... "

By this statement you tell me that you are no better then the "terrorists" im "supposed" to fear, in fact your worse, your hatetred doesnt even imply a true cause or reason worthy of one death, let alone the possibility of millions.


@FunkMan
the new world order is at hand. soon the fate of billions will be decided. and the new world order as 'they' want is gonna suck

They have had this agenda for a long time, we are just now seeing it unfold bacause this stage of thier plan has a few points that can stop it, amazed by the fact they got Bush in a 2nd term excited them, its sieze the moment before the window of oppertunity closes.
The world is thier theater, they are the screen writers, all the figure heads are just actors, are we are the audiance, like sheep we watch in horror as we are led to the slaughter.


@stop4trains
If more people knew of the human rights atrocities in NK, the rest of thier allies would have to shun them or risk getting shun'd them elves as monsters for condoning such activities.
Keep up the good work of presenting actual truths.

@dook
The thing you all seem to be missing here is the fact that North Korea has tested these bombs and straight away are threatening attacks on major cities such as New York and Tokyo.

That was on of my points as well, they are the ones using the word "war" not the US.


@carnold
For the sake of levity, I give you this 3-min. video on America, mid-east, and nuclear weapons. Enjoy!

That was an excelent piece he did there, the truth is a double edge sword, it hurts, but it can be funny at the same time, thanks for the link.


@redstain and dook
Leave Iran outta this one, thier goals are alternaive power, a compleatly different aplication based on compleatly different science, its comparing apples to oranges.


@redstain
If that's how you see WWI and WWII; population control ...... Nature at work.
Dont forget all the other occurances throughout history too, the crusades, the spanish wars, the norse conflicts, from the time of before written history there was war or death in high numbers in some form or another. The % numbers of total dead agianst number of people presumed to exist are remarkably close in most of the occurrences throught history (where i could find at least partial data for comparison). This tells me that war actually is a part of natural order of existance, same as the relation to sea levels, cloud density, humidity and rain, it is a part of that cycle, not unlike the food chain. The Malthusian Catastrophe (http://en.wikipedia.org/... is just one explanation, but it does boil down to population control at its core level.

When we come a-knocking to herald 'KoreaStorm', wouldn't they want to have 12-gague leaning against the porch.

I sure would, too bad that's illegal here for when AmeriStorm rolls over this here city of mine.



Do I think NK should have the bomb? No
Do I think ANY nation should have the bomb? NO
Do I think a 3rd party neutral entity (eg: The Leauge of Nations, NATO, the UN) should have the bomb? NO

The only sum of the equation of nuclear war is: earth = mars

As for the leader of NK, he should be tried in the international court for crimes agianst humanity, among other atrocities. Wonder if we can get a 2 for 1 deal and handel Bush at the same time.


And last but not least, hate to sound like a tree hugger, but, I cant help it.
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed the relationship between known nuclear tests and earthquake activity?



And just for sarcasims' sake, anyone know where I can get a piece of nuclear diamond? and is that priced by radioacive weight or carats?


 
  by: netwerk     10/17/2006 03:32 AM     
  @carnold  
 
actually michael savage found the article first: http://www.homestead.com/...

be my guest, as i havn't time now, to deal with the article.
 
  by: stop4trains   10/17/2006 03:39 AM     
  Carnold  
 
yeah, the links thing don't work well.
homestead.com/prosites-prs/
 
  by: stop4trains   10/17/2006 03:43 AM     
  Carnold  
 
yeah, the links thing don't work well.
homestead.com/prosites-prs/
 
  by: stop4trains   10/17/2006 04:06 AM     
  @Netwerk  
 
"Leave Iran outta this one, thier goals are alternaive power, a compleatly different aplication based on compleatly different science, its comparing apples to oranges."

Didn't the Iranian prez declare that once he had nukes he would "Wipe the Isralis off the map?" I thought I heard that on the news a while back, but I could be wrong.

@Everyone calling for America to be nuked

WTF is wrong with yall? I wouldn't want any country to be nuked. There is no reason to punish civilians for the actions of a few leaders. Sure, much of the world hates Bush -- so do many Americans. But it is unfair to say all of America should suffer for the policies of its leaders. People are inclined to believe what their leaders, tell them, and leaders are sometimes inclined to abuse that.

@Ixuzus (for posting this article)

Good find. I have heard a lot about NK's nuke tests in the recent days. Its a scary situation for the entire world.
 
  by: psycobob     10/17/2006 05:11 AM     
  @psycobob  
 
"Didn't the Iranian prez declare that once he had nukes he would "Wipe the Isralis off the map?" I thought I heard that on the news a while back, but I could be wrong."

That is what was reported. Iran says it was a mistranslation.

"WTF is wrong with yall? I wouldn't want any country to be nuked."

Absolutely spot on. Any use of nuclear weapons will damage the environment badly on a global scale which hurts all of us.
 
  by: ixuzus     10/17/2006 05:24 AM     
  No I don't want....  
 
The USA to nuke north korea,because after that everyone will have to pander to the north koreans,the same way that we had to pander to the japs after 1945.
If north korea is devastated,then it will cost billions of dollars to repair the damage.(er-exscuse the mistake,there is nothing there to repair-I meant to say =to bring the country into the 21st century.)
 
  by: cavador   10/17/2006 06:10 AM     
  Reminds Me  
 
Of a song that goes "It's the end of the world as we know it"
 
  by: leparsdon     10/17/2006 06:52 AM     
  Taking this to forums  
 
page is getting too big, go forums!.
http://www.shortnews.com/...
 
  by: funkman   10/17/2006 07:36 AM     
  Insane  
 
This story has 34.208 Visits? Usually it's around 2-3000 tops. I wonder what website is linked up to this story?
 
  by: banshee9898     10/17/2006 08:18 AM     
  It's a hot topic  
 
It wouldn't suprise me if quite a few people were Googling for the story and came across this one.

That, or everyone came to laugh at larryanders' comments. :P
 
  by: carnold     10/17/2006 08:28 AM     
  @banshee9898  
 
No complaints from me. :) If anyone does know where all these hits are coming from I'd be interested to know.
 
  by: ixuzus     10/17/2006 09:31 AM     
  motherfarker...  
 
This story has 34.208 Visits? Usually it's around 2-3000 tops. I wonder what website is linked up to this story?


http://www.fark.com
 
  by: antiwork3000   10/17/2006 07:35 PM     
  And I...  
 
I will now apply my suggestions for what the Bush Administration should be doing with the Middle East for what they should be doing now to N. Korea:

Take one of those giant silver platter covers and place it over North Korea. Drop loads of atomic bombs on them. Let sit for 10,000 years and remove platter cover. Now you have a nice clean area to work with.
 
  by: CaptainMooseInc   10/17/2006 07:51 PM     
  Larry is a moron  
 
He claims that the US has the highest murder rate. Here is proof otherwise.
http://www.nationmaster.com/...
Better luck next time, Larry. Tell Moe and Curly we all said "Hi".
 
  by: tomblik     10/17/2006 08:23 PM     
  WOW  
 
I can't believe he just threatened the U.S. with a hydrogen bomb. Is he serious? I am about to go to Japan and bitch-slap him myself.
 
  by: SerialTickler     10/17/2006 08:36 PM     
  @CaptainMooseInc  
 
you're answer is that of a desensitised bigot.. aslong as you're kind are on this planet it will not be peaceful
 
  by: political exorcism   10/17/2006 08:37 PM     
  YES!  
 
I hope the CIA tracks down larry and that nutty little asian dude in japan threatning new york. Notice larry has stopped posting, probably already has a bullet between his eyes (i can only hope so).
 
  by: SerialTickler     10/17/2006 08:50 PM     
  @SerialTickler  
 
yes you're right, we should track down larry because he expressed an opinion instead of tracking down you who reckons it's good that he is shot between the eyes...

you're logic makes this world go round eh. rock on moron

 
  by: political exorcism   10/17/2006 10:18 PM     
  ...  
 
I didn't say a advocated him being shot between the eyes, I said he probably was since he got so quiet. You are ASSuming.

You sure talk big buddy :)
 
  by: SerialTickler     10/17/2006 11:33 PM     
  LOL  
 
I made no direct threats, Mr. Lawyer. I can hope anything I want, doesn't mean I advocate it or plan on doing it. Here in AMERICA, I am free to say WHAT I WANT (unless it is a direct threat). Low life.
 
  by: SerialTickler     10/17/2006 11:36 PM     
  @antiwork3000  
 
Indeed. I love these comments:

jonny_ill: i can't believe none of you have questioned the source... wtf is "short news?"

LandOfChocolate: Anyone else find the humor that ShortNews is reporting a story about a homicidal, bat shiat insane leader who happens to be often ridiculed because he is...short?
 
  by: caution2     10/18/2006 01:35 AM     
  Wonder if this means  
 
Kim Jong-il has taken Dubya off his Christmas card list?
 
  by: RunsWithScissors   10/18/2006 01:52 AM     
  @Like W h o e v e r  
 
Which Bomb is like worse,the Atomic bomb or the Nuclear bomb????
Anyone Know????
 
  by: TheReporter     10/18/2006 06:01 AM     
  @thereporter  
 
"Which Bomb is like worse,the Atomic bomb or the Nuclear bomb????
Anyone Know????"

they are both nuclear bombs...

hydrogen bombs are fusion rather than fission though. hydrogen bombs are typically more powerful i believe.
 
  by: HAVOC666     10/18/2006 06:25 AM     
  Larry  
 
"I sincinerly hope the US is hit hard... What gives them the right to tell other countries they can't have nuclear capabilities, yet the US still spends billions of dollars improving it's own..
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I would like to insert the bomb up your rear along with Bush and blair there would be three idiots out of the way then, you come in here and enjoy this system and attak Americans, wake up this site is managed by American's whom I would hate to lose as angry as I get with them.

Turns her back on Larry.

@larry
Sometime it is better to remain silent and thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt. Valkyrie1
You deserve anther three stars for that.

cellardweller1, go back in the cellar and keep quite, for that is where you would be hiding watching it all happen on TV, For approximately five minutes if WE are lucky.

Why don’t the big guys that want to attack America and the ones who want to attack N.K
Get your muscle mouths and weapons at the ready and sort it out between you, give us all some peace at last.



 
  by: captainJane     10/18/2006 08:09 PM     
  @Captain  
 
Isnt the site German?

However he is using an American designed computer to post on the american internet.
 
  by: GogeVandire   10/18/2006 08:31 PM     
  To the "I wish america got plastered" posters..  
 
You know my initial responce is "I wish we had let Hitler steamroll those arseholes a little longer" but then I get over it. Most Europeans I meet, there or here I get a long with.

Most people dont like Bush, not because of his actions, but because he is a p*ss poor politician. If he had any concept of political communication and was as suave as Clinton, he could have everyone snowed over into thinking everything was good and dandy... But since he's a bumbling idiot the moment he opens his mouth and his smile is arrogant enough to convince Kimmy to go on a suicide run against the US, everyone hates all of us Americans. (Ok not really but the numbers on here are staggering)

As far as blaming the US for inventing the nuclear bomb, for the people claiming this its like you are saying "If you guys didnt invent it no one would have ever discovered it!" I thank you for your confidence in our genious above everyone else...but no someone would have made it eventually, more than likely germany... and in that event it would have more than likely been buzz bombed to the UK, or another European country. (perhaps not germany as it was already well disabled at that point in the war when we utilized it but they were well on their way in the development)

Creating the bomb wasnt really "inventing" something.. It was discovering it. The ability was always there, we were just the first to find it.

And blaming us for using it, and killing civillians... Its pretty well accepted that it was a much better way to get Japan to surrender than our only other option at the time, to invade Japan mainland. It would have resulted in near genocide, also a dramatically higher ally fatality count.

Also a rebuttle for Euro's blaming the US for nukes... (this is more just to perturb the trolls) If you could have managed your own borders we wouldnt have had to go down that road.

(I dont like generalizing everyone over there because I do have Euro friends but damn some people need to get a clue...US ..Euro..and Asia alike)

 
  by: pyronius     10/19/2006 11:53 PM     
  @pyronius  
 
"To the "I wish america got plastered" posters..
You know my initial responce is "I wish we had let Hitler steamroll those arseholes a little longer" but then I get over it. Most Europeans I meet, there or here I get a long with."

grain of salt... no point losing hair over something someone said on the internet.

"Most people dont like Bush, not because of his actions, but because he is a p*ss poor politician. If he had any concept of political communication and was as suave as Clinton, he could have everyone snowed over into thinking everything was good and dandy... But since he's a bumbling idiot the moment he opens his mouth and his smile is arrogant enough to convince Kimmy to go on a suicide run against the US, everyone hates all of us Americans. (Ok not really but the numbers on here are staggering)."

i don't hate americans per se... i hate america; specifically what american has become and what americans have allowed their country to become... clinton... like hime or hate him was certianly a much better political figure than bush... but then again, conversely the same was true for hitler... like him or hate hime he had the qualities that make great leaders, though hitler used his power maliciously to a degree that was unfathomable at the time by most people. similarly the US uses its power in a malicious way to bully and dictate to others, which they have become all too accustumed to.

"As far as blaming the US for inventing the nuclear bomb, for the people claiming this its like you are saying "If you guys didnt invent it no one would have ever discovered it!" I thank you for your confidence in our genious above everyone else...but no someone would have made it eventually, more than likely germany... and in that event it would have more than likely been buzz bombed to the UK, or another European country. (perhaps not germany as it was already well disabled at that point in the war when we utilized it but they were well on their way in the development)

Creating the bomb wasnt really "inventing" something.. It was discovering it. The ability was always there, we were just the first to find it."

i agree germany was making the bomb well before the US, and we must remember that einstein whom theorized it could be done was on of the very people that hitlers campaign targeted.

"And blaming us for using it, and killing civillians... Its pretty well accepted that it was a much better way to get Japan to surrender than our only other option at the time, to invade Japan mainland. It would have resulted in near genocide, also a dramatically higher ally fatality count."

actually japan was for all intensive purposes beaten and for 2, the pearl harbor attack was only a fraction of what was actually intended... a beleive a few years ago they reveal that japan had sent in a "super-sub" though they didn't achieve thier goal.

the problem with bombing japan is that for all intensiive purposes it was the single greatest act of terrorism in the history of mankind... and the reason i call it a act of terrorism is because the the very definition of terrorism it explicitly is terrorism...

targetting civillians, rather than military to coerce a change in government by excessive and illegal force, and while there was no law at the time about nuclear weapons the definition of terrorism is ultimately he same as it ever was, and targetting civillians is explicitly an illegal attack and was even before the laws concerning nuclear weapons were thought of.
 
  by: HAVOC666     10/20/2006 12:27 AM     
 
 
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