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11/10/2006 03:33 PM ID: 58255 Permalink   

Gay Pride Parade in Israel Canceled

 

Amidst great controversy, Israel has canceled it's first ever gay pride parade, which was to take place in Jerusalem on Thursday.

Security concerns were the major reason, as well as pressure from fundamentalist groups, who were calling the parade offensive. Ultra-Orthodox Jews fought with police and burned trash bins in protest.

Gay marriage has been a hot issue in Israel, with it facing major opposition from the rabbinical authorities who have complete control over Jewish marriage and divorce.

 
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  speaking of jewish divorce,  
 
came across this earlier:

"Divorce in Israel: Men get the final word"
http://news.yahoo.com/...
By Ilene R. Prusher, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor Wed Nov 8, 3:00 AM ET
 
  by: crunch     11/10/2006 03:41 PM     
  I guess they found something to agree on...  
 
"Muslim[s] and Jews were fighting with police and burning trash bins in protest."
 
  by: StarShadow     11/10/2006 03:44 PM     
  @starshadow and article:  
 
actually, only ultra-Orthodox Jews were fighting/rioting against the police, the muslims just asked for those involved in the parade to be punished!!

from source:
"The Gay Pride parade scheduled for Friday drew opposition from Jews, Christians and Muslims, while hundreds of ultra-Orthodox Jews vented their disapproval by clashing with police and burning trash bins in the streets several nights over the past week."

However, also from source:
"Top Muslim leaders said homosexuality is a crime and demanded police punish those involved in the parade."

and the christians say:
"Christian evangelical groups in Jerusalem have called the parade "provocative" and demanded the public venue be changed."
+ the vatican said:
"Vatican urges Israel to ban Jerusalem gay parade" (8/11/06)
http://today.reuters.com/...

 
  by: crunch     11/10/2006 04:01 PM     
  last link wrong:  
   
  by: crunch     11/10/2006 04:01 PM     
  A correction may be needed..  
 
"Jerusalem holds gay pride rally"

Quote: A controversial gay pride rally has taken place in Jerusalem despite calls from religious leaders to ban it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/...
 
  by: StarShadow     11/10/2006 04:25 PM     
  It sounds like  
 
the ultra-orthodox Jews are nothing but a bunch of terrorists. Label them as such, lock them up and throw away the key. Dangerous fanatics like this should be allowed to terrorize law abiding citizens. I don’t see any gays burning dumpsters and attacking police to protest the Ultra-orthodox Jews congregating at religious services.
 
  by: Valkyrie123     11/10/2006 04:31 PM     
  A Correction is needed...  
 
Yeah, they held a "rally" in a closed stadium, but the "parade" was canceled, so the title is correct.

however from sn article "Muslim and Jews were fighting with police..." is not in the source, and is factually incorrect. As i posted earlier.
 
  by: crunch     11/10/2006 04:32 PM     
  @Valk  
 
"At last year's march, three participants were injured when they were stabbed by an orthodox Jew who opposed the event."
 
  by: StarShadow     11/10/2006 04:38 PM     
  Edited  
 
out the Muslim part.
 
  by: Lurker     11/10/2006 04:46 PM     
  @Valk  
 
"the ultra-orthodox Jews are nothing but a bunch of terrorists. Label them as such, lock them up and throw away the key. Dangerous fanatics like this should be allowed to terrorize law abiding citizens. I don’t see any gays burning dumpsters and attacking police to protest the Ultra-orthodox Jews congregating at religious services."

So jews are terrorists because they have a moral system and being homosexual goes against their beliefs? This is the same argument for Muslims and them hating America.

I don't understand the purpose for these parades, other than to offend heterosexuals. If your gay, great, be gay, but everyone else doesn't want to hear about you being gay. Go on with your life like everyone else.
 
  by: classy   11/10/2006 04:57 PM     
  I agree  
 
that 'anal sex' shouldn't be praised in public, or else we with be praising the possibility of actually enjoying seeing our future dipping into trash cans. aka http://www.youtube.com/...
 
  by: unitybeing   11/10/2006 06:07 PM     
  I have never seen so much Racism in ONE POST!  
 
Gay Marriage is an issue in every country. Not just Israel. This just shows peoples true colors when they attack Israel. Stop looking for problems in a tiny country. Think Locally, Act Globally!
 
  by: simonstudio   11/10/2006 06:18 PM     
  You people make Hitler proud  
 
At least there was a democratic attempt to deal with the issue, like in America.

Pointing the finger at good intentions.
You people make Hitler proud
 
  by: simonstudio   11/10/2006 06:23 PM     
  @simonstudio  
 
No post in here says anything about killing all homos - it is our opinions that just because your gay, doesn't mean that the world has to make way for it.

Take your liberal cry baby sh*t somewhere else.
 
  by: classy   11/10/2006 07:06 PM     
  @classy  
 
"So jews are terrorists because they have a moral system and being homosexual goes against their beliefs? This is the same argument for Muslims and them hating America."

Sure is, if you ignore, you know, the terrorist actions the ultra-orthodox Jews are committing, such as burning trash bins, stabbing innocent people, and clashing with police.

Wait, no, it's not the same at all. Are you condoning these actions?

"I don't understand the purpose for these parades, other than to offend heterosexuals. If your gay, great, be gay, but everyone else doesn't want to hear about you being gay. Go on with your life like everyone else."

If you don't understand something, you ought not to be telling those involved what they should be doing, but rather focus on correcting your own ignorance. These events are intended to bring awareness of a region's homosexual population, who are often kept in the closet as second-class citizens, and to bring solidarity to the participants in their continued struggle. It's no different than any other political march, and not really a difficult concept to grasp.
 
  by: momentofclarity     11/10/2006 07:08 PM     
  Grow Up..  
 
The article is about Israel, if it was about a parade in Micronesia, we'd be talking about Micronesia.

"You people make Hitler proud"

At this point I'd like to invoke Godwin's Law.
 
  by: StarShadow     11/10/2006 07:10 PM     
  @simon - your an idiot  
 
"I have never seen so much Racism in ONE POST!"

Since when is Gay a race? Moron.
 
  by: classy   11/10/2006 07:14 PM     
  @MoC  
 
"If you don't understand something, you ought not to be telling those involved what they should be doing, but rather focus on correcting your own ignorance. These events are intended to bring awareness of a region's homosexual population, who are often kept in the closet as second-class citizens, and to bring solidarity to the participants in their continued struggle. It's no different than any other political march, and not really a difficult concept to grasp."

Then that should clue you in that the average person...wait for it....DOESN'T CARE.

People know what homosexuality is, if gays wouldn't make such a big damn deal about it and flaunt it then I dont think the average person would really care what they did.
 
  by: classy   11/10/2006 07:17 PM     
  ...  
 
@classy
It's "you're" not "your" "you're an idiot"
Sorry, that mistake drives me insane for reason. (And my grammar isn't near perfect)

Anyway, do parades in general piss anyone else off? Not just gay pride parades, all parades. For example, I could be driving down the street minding my own business after a long day of work. I'd probably be feeling fairly tired and just want to get home. I go to make a turn, only to find my way blocked by a parade. I now have to spend the next 20 minutes circling around backstreets just to get to my house. If you want to parade, go parade in a field or something.

Second note, if the gay's get a parade why don't I? I, hereby, start a petition to have a "Squirrel Hate" parade. I can see it now, everyone will get together to march down main street, celebrating the inevitable victory against the evil "Squirrel" army.

Anyone want to join? Pssh... I bet there are more gays than squirrel haters...
 
  by: Svengali   11/10/2006 07:25 PM     
  @classy  
 
That may be true in some parts of the US, but elsewhere their awareness is marked by detachment. Gays are out of sight, out of mind, and easy to ignore and discriminate against. Such parades show that they will not be ignored, besides putting a face on their group. That may be for better or worse depending on the event. Here it's nothing more than to educate people like you that gays are more than just the comic relief on nightly sitcoms, there it's to show them that they will not be oppressed by a violent fundamentalist groups. Frankly, until they receive equal treatment, your arguments about the frivolity of such things are absolutely thoughtless and uninformed, because fighting for equal rights is not frivolous.
 
  by: momentofclarity     11/10/2006 07:26 PM     
  @classy  
 
"Since when is Gay a race? Moron."

I believe he was (mostly) refering to Valk's sarcastic response.
 
  by: StarShadow     11/10/2006 07:34 PM     
  @classless  
 
“So jews are terrorists because they have a moral system and being homosexual goes against their beliefs?”

No, it’s because the Jews are attacking people and acting in very violent and terroristic ways towards law abiding citizens that are just walking down a street minding their own business (gays are human and have rights too in case you are unaware of this). The Jews are terrorizing the gays. The gays aren’t bothering anyone. Like I said, I don’t see any gays burning dumpsters and attacking police to protest the Ultra-orthodox Jews congregating at religious services. You are a bit slow on the uptake. Maybe you should open you mind.

Your statement that you “don’t care” shows me what a narrow minded, hate filled, bigot your really are. It’s because of hate mongers like you that the gays march and will continue to march until your ilk are no more. You are a very sick man. I feel sorry for you. Embrace your hate and run amuck, go stab some marchers, it’s what your kind does….just before we the law abiding citizens lock you up.
 
  by: Valkyrie123     11/10/2006 08:02 PM     
  @valk  
 
In all fairness...
"towards law abiding citizens that are just walking down a street minding their own business"

technically... they're walking down the street potentially blocking the easiest path for the "jews" to get home...

Err fine... I'll take this seriously...

@classy
Does the average person really care what "gays" do?

@Valk
Don't get me wrong here, I support gay marriage or civil unions or whatever... but what purpose does a parade really serve? It only serves to irritate the opposition (by blocking their way home) and cause more issues. It seems a lot like a "we don't agree so I'm going to piss you off" type of thing.

 
  by: Svengali   11/10/2006 08:15 PM     
  @Svengali  
 
If the parade marchers are violating any laws, such as marching without a permit and blocking traffic, then they should be told to move on or be arrested. If they have the proper permits then they are completely within their rights to march. They are citizens with rights, they pay taxes and have jobs, lives, hopes and dreams just like everyone else.

Do you really believe gays march to “irritate the opposition”? I’ve seen many gay rights parades and talked to many gays and I have yet to meet one that came to the parade to “irritate the opposition”. They are there to celebrate being. Is that so difficult to understand? If your life is so busy you can’t even stop to enjoy a parade you might want to consider slowing down, maybe moving to a small town, and get your blood pressure checked. Less stress, more parades, I love a parade.
 
  by: Valkyrie123     11/10/2006 08:37 PM     
  @Valk  
 
"Your statement that you “don’t care” shows me what a narrow minded, hate filled, bigot your really are. It’s because of hate mongers like you that the gays march and will continue to march until your ilk are no more. You are a very sick man. I feel sorry for you. Embrace your hate and run amuck, go stab some marchers, it’s what your kind does….just before we the law abiding citizens lock you up."

Your funny.

The truth is I really dont care what they do. I never said I wanted to hurt them, or anything of the sort.

This all goes back to Minority's having more rights than the majority. The majority of people in Israel do not want a gay pride parade. I don't like things like this because it brings it to the dinner table. When little 4 year old Johnny starts asking what being Gay means, in a highly religious home, that makes problems. Problems that do not need to be.

You read my statement and took it WAYYY beyond what it was, but with your liberal tendencies, I am not surprised in the least bit.

Its kind of like playing the race card when the subject is homosexuality. But you guys never do things like that.

Instead, you speak of everyone having equal rights, being nice and saying things like "You are a very sick man. I feel sorry for you. Embrace your hate and run amuck, go stab some marchers"

Being referred to as sick...by you? heh.
 
  by: classy   11/10/2006 08:54 PM     
  Um... I'm married to a Christian with a kid  
 
Don't jump to conclusions. Just because I have sympathy for gay rights does not make me gay. and just because I have sympathy for religion does not make me a homophobe. My son Maxx would like you also to know that some of his teachers are gay and we support them. The person who wrote @simonstudio is not me by the way.
 
  by: simonstudio   11/10/2006 09:13 PM     
  I didn't call "Gays" a race...  
 
needed to add that from the last post.

I support the "Gay" parade is Jerusalem as I would if they wanted to march at another country called the Vatican. This is an international issue. Your antisemitism is confusing the issue.
 
  by: simonstudio   11/10/2006 09:19 PM     
  @simon  
 
No no, you calling someones sexual preference a nationality is confusing me...the fact that you say dumb sh*t and then say it wasnt you is confusing me.

Not my "antisemitism" - which i CLEARLY support jews in what they are doing.

I think the problem is...dare I say it again...your a moron. You keep using big words and its apparent you have NO idea what they mean. You saw the news last night and regurgitated everything they said, just in a f*ed up order.

"My son Maxx would like you also to know that some of his teachers are gay and we support them."

Give Maxx a cookie for me.
 
  by: classy   11/10/2006 09:32 PM     
  Your Cookie is Poison  
 
I wouldn't let my son near a racist or a homophobe.
 
  by: simonstudio   11/10/2006 09:35 PM     
  Gay "Open" community in Tel Aviv  
 
the most open gay community outside of Paris and San Francisco is Tel Aviv B.T.W.
 
  by: simonstudio   11/10/2006 09:42 PM     
  Some advice for you Simon  
 
Poison would probably be a healthy alternative to growing up with a father that is a complete retard.

Where are my racist comments? Could you point out anything I have said that is racist? Look up the definition of the word first. It might help.
 
  by: classy   11/10/2006 09:44 PM     
  Liberal? I don't like the label.  
 
I am a registered Republican who likes to see his taxes lowered. I support gay rights and the right to defend our children as well as the children being bombed by terrorists. I have sympathy for innocent victems of war because I believe in god..., but I understand mistakes can happen in a war against terrorists. I support other peoples right live how they want without the influence of outside cultures and practices. I choose to trust gay people because my experience has led me to believe they are good and trusting people who would prefer if they are out of the closet and not repressed to not act like a pediphile. I trust my son with his gay teachers and do not believe it will effect his ability to be a great athlete. If that makes me a liberal big city person... then so be it. But I also live far far upstate in a Republican area.
 
  by: simonstudio   11/10/2006 09:51 PM     
  Where have i ever said anything bad about gays?  
 
I haven't said anything hateful about gays yet all you people can come up with is "He doesn't like gay parades! NAZI!/RACIST!/HOMOPHOBE!"

Seriously, debate like you have a pair. If all you got is name calling then maybe you need to think about what your backing up.

As I said, I don't care what gay people do. If you want to be gay, then be gay, I have no problem with it. But don't shove it down everyones throat...no pun intended.
 
  by: classy   11/10/2006 10:03 PM     
  @classy  
 
"I don't understand the purpose for these parades, other than to offend heterosexuals. If your gay, great, be gay, but everyone else doesn't want to hear about you being gay. Go on with your life like everyone else."

Maybe they have parades to raise awareness of the fact that gays are being denied many rights that they deserve. Maybe they march to show that they are proud of what and who they are. I'm not religious, but if a church wants to have a big parade in front of my house, I wouldn't mind. It's due to a little something called tolerance. You should try practicing it.

What if blacks in the 60's followed your idea and said "Hey. You know what? Maybe we shouldn't march on Washington. We don't want to go bother all the whites - they don't want to hear about our oppression. Let's go on with our life just like everyone else..."
 
  by: RonAwesome   11/10/2006 10:04 PM     
  I am disturbed by the buzz this is getting.  
 
this is the first time in history that Israel has done this as far as anyone knows. For how many years in N.Y.C. has the St.Patties day parade barred gays. Again.

Israel like America is flawed... but progressive (or more progressive historically then any other places in the world)

I am fearfull of the amount of AntiSemitism in this posting.

 
  by: simonstudio   11/10/2006 10:28 PM     
  Comparing Slavery to Homosexuality?  
 
Give me a break.

This isn't even an American debate - Its pretty evident though that Americans have more 'tolerance' then some of the other countries.
 
  by: classy   11/10/2006 10:29 PM     
  Let this speak for Israeli Tolerance  
   
  by: simonstudio   11/10/2006 10:37 PM     
  @simonstudio  
 
If you don't like anti-semitism i suggest you leave this website and never come back.

/seriously, this place is worse the Nazi Jewish propaganda posters
 
  by: koultunami     11/10/2006 10:42 PM     
  Just  
 
debate the topic. Please refrain from name calling. We don't tolerate anti-semitism or hate against anyone.
 
  by: Lurker     11/11/2006 12:05 AM     
  I give up  
 
I can't argue with irrational hatred.
This is my last posting. I am accomplishing nothing here. Stop hating. The Jewish people have a right to a homeland and gay people have a right to be there as they have a right to be everywhere anybody else is. I am saddned by some of the orthodox, but also shocked to see how ignorant the other side of this issue is full of such antisemitism. Even the Koran mentions the Jewish state as having the right to peace and security, as does the bible. The Bible mentions all kinds of paradoxes and contradictions. To put this issue into black and white based on either scripture is a mistake. To the orthodox I would like to point out that it is impossible to sleep with a man the same way one would sleep with a woman, in the same way the bible commands us to sacrofice animals in a temple that has the dome of the rock on it. The Jewish cannon was designed to evolve through commentary to cover paradox. This is no longer a religious or social argument. It is a fight against the ignorant who are looking for BLACK and WHITE where there are only GRAYS.
 
  by: simonstudio   11/11/2006 05:09 AM     
  one last post  
 
Quran
Sura 10:93-94 “We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place..."

that means all Children!
 
  by: simonstudio   11/11/2006 05:40 AM     
  @classy  
 
People are being competely unfair towards you. your comments here suggest you may be insensitive, thoughtless, selfish, and resentful, but anything more is an over-reaction. I can see where they spring from, however:

Source says: "hundreds of ultra-Orthodox Jews vented their disapproval by clashing with police and burning trash bins in the streets several nights over the past week."

Starshadow quotes: "At last year's march, three participants were injured when they were stabbed by an orthodox Jew who opposed the event."

Then, you say: "Not my 'antisemitism' - which i CLEARLY support jews in what they are doing."

So, you support their terrorist actions? Forgive me if I missed any sarcasm above, but you never did answer that question for me.

"This all goes back to Minority's having more rights than the majority. The majority of people in Israel do not want a gay pride parade."

So what? I dare say that most modern nations have laws preventing tyranny by majority. This is not grade school, where numbers give license to bully the weak kids. Unless a minority seeks to harm a majority, the majority cannot infringe upon their rights just because they dislike them. It's funny how some people seem to see demands by gays for equal rights to be "special rights," but their own demands that their mere preferences are met at the gay community's expense are simply their entitlement.

"I don't like things like this because it brings it to the dinner table. When little 4 year old Johnny starts asking what being Gay means, in a highly religious home, that makes problems. Problems that do not need to be."

Yes, they do. What kind of world do you think we live in? If you are a parent, it is your job to raise little Johnny, and that means explaining the world to him. The world is not obligated to pace itself for you. Pets are not going to live until you're ready to tell little Johnny about death and arbitrary groups of people are not going to hide themselves so you do not have to answer little Johnny's questions about them. If you're so afraid of little Johnny being around various people, it is YOUR right to move to a deserted island so you can expose him to people as you are ready for it.

I say YOU because kids can handle such things, it's the adults that have problems.
 
  by: momentofclarity     11/11/2006 06:48 AM     
  ok... I'm back  
 
Yes classy listen to momenttoclarify.
and StarShadow the Godwin's rule, like "Oslo" is not a BLACK and WHITE thing.
It's time to repeal Godwin's Law

David Weigel | July 14, 2005
http://www.reason.com/...
 
  by: simonstudio   11/11/2006 08:32 AM     
  Here is the Reason to Repeal the Godwin rule  
   
  by: simonstudio   11/11/2006 08:33 AM     
  There aren't that many Jews in the world  
 
most Jews support gay rights. I would like to clarify that from the P.O.V. of someone who grew up in the community.
 
  by: simonstudio   11/11/2006 08:39 AM     
  back to the top issue  
 
"Gay marriage has been a hot issue in Israel, with it facing major opposition from the rabbinical authorities who have complete control over Jewish marriage and divorce."

Yes, but most Israelis go back and forth to America. Just as people in the Vatican can leave the area of the Vatican. Many Israelis like to get married in Italy ironically as well. The orthodox rabinical powers in Israel also must respect marriages from overseas and from other denominations like Reform Jews, Reconstructionist Jews, Conservative Jews, Drews, Christians and Muslims. the Rabinical community does not declare a Palestinina marriage as null and void. Thus while they will not recognize the married couple as Jewish, they will not deny the couples statement of marriage unless it is a gay marriage. Israel like America will eventually come to terms with new terminalogy that respects the benefits of a partnership. Personally I see no reason to declare a "gay marriage" a marriage in that the intent of marriage has always been to have children. Yes there are people who are straight who also don't have children, but that in my opinion is not a marriage either. Marriage is an attempt to procreate and as the bible and Spock from Star Trek mentions "be fruitfull and multiply". Tax benefits does not change the meaning of the term.
 
  by: simonstudio   11/11/2006 08:53 AM     
  @classy  
 
"Comparing Slavery to Homosexuality?"

I presume that you do infact understand that the Civil Rights movement which was being referred to wasn't a slavery issue, since slavery ended you know, a hundred years prior. So you comment is what? A throw away dramatization?

Blacks were discriminated against. They had their Civil Rights movement and they moved up in equality (modern social issues notwithstanding). Women were discriminated against, they had their Suffrage movement. These movements were most publicly marked by their marches

Gays are being discriminated against. Maybe not as severely as Blacks or Women, but still they are discriminated against in terms of equal protections, rights and privileges under the law. A parade raises awareness just like the marches the Blacks had in the 60s and the women had in the 1910’s.

If you don’t like the parade, don’t go. They have the right to public assembly, and they have the right to have a parade if they have the permits.
 
  by: Dedolito     11/11/2006 11:05 AM     
  @ article and simon  
 
@ article:
i seriously doubt this is "Israel's first ever gay pride parade" as they have been happening in Tel Aviv (this is the first in Jerusalem).

Simonstudio: Welcome to SN, i liked many of your comments and you are right... the world is not black and white, there are many shades in between, we should sow down and enjoy all the diversity! don't let some people put you off Sn, it;s a nice community and we debate and learn alot from each other.
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     11/11/2006 12:30 PM     
  thankyou for the Welcome  
 
Your probably right about the Jerusalem protest being the first. However it is the first in contention that I know of. I am considered in the Jewish community to be considered a conservative. To Christian fundametalists I might seem to be leftist in that I believe Modern Judaism is a religion based on evolutionary commentary, not scripture per say. In being a conservative modern Jew, not even I would hold that there something unholy about love.

Classy, I understand your desire to protect children from sexual issues. However one must explain to children also what marriage is. As for children and gay issues one must say only that two people love each other, any more then that can wait for puberty or a Bar or Bat Mitzvah.
 
  by: simonstudio   11/11/2006 08:58 PM     
 
 
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