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01/04/2007 08:44 PM ID: 59333 Permalink   

Girl Charged for Wetting Pants at School

 

A special-ed student wet her pants during school and was charged with disorderly conduct by police. The 12-year-old girl attends Danville Middle School and had been confronted by Principal Duckwork over her refusal to wash dishes.

Montour County Police Chief Eric Girl stated that the girl intentionally urinated on herself and that the school's officials are at their "wit's end".

The girl's mother claims that her daughter was frightened by the principal, and has wet herself before during confrontations with Principal Duckwork.

 
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  WTF???? WTF?????!!!!!!  
 
They're charging a SPEICAL ED child for wetting her pants?????? Ok I think it's safe to say that we have went to far with punishments. Gimme a break
 
  by: kcking05     01/04/2007 09:02 PM     
  No doubt!  
 
There are TOO MANY untrained and professionally undeveloped 'educators' in the US school-systems.

This is due to low-salaries which fail to attract the real talent.

Too high students-per-teacher ratio.

Lack of proper management from school administration.

... and apparently, the cops are more than happy to tazer, tackle, aim guns at, or verbally abuse American students.


The area school-board should jump on this and fire the principal and all the teachers involved, plus put the cops out to walk. However, that only leads another gap in school that would be filled with more bad 'professionals'.

Apalling... from an American teacher's point-of-view.
 
  by: theironboard     01/04/2007 09:12 PM     
  special ed  
 
Special Education does not automatically put them as retardation, autism or anything like that. In many cases there are those kids who are smart enough to understand and have no mental dificincies other than a slightly lower IQ or the fact that they simply want to act like they have a lower IQ.

So we don't know the full spectrum of this story.
 
  by: shawn1flog   01/04/2007 09:38 PM     
  Whether or not  
 
She is mentally handicapped, why would even a NORMAL child wet their pants at 12 years old on purpose? Of all the things you could do to be rebellious, you wet YOUR OWN pants? That sounds a bit far-fetched to me.
 
  by: kcking05     01/04/2007 09:56 PM     
  @kcking05  
 
"you wet YOUR OWN pants"

I like your emphasis, though I can't imagine wetting someone else's pants.
 
  by: Ec5618   01/04/2007 11:05 PM     
  i wanna know more...  
 
something don't sound right
 
  by: hotrock11     01/04/2007 11:59 PM     
  whats next  
 
arrest a man in a wheelchair for illegal parking?
 
  by: darkrom666   01/05/2007 12:18 AM     
  Hmm  
 
If she normally has good control of her bladder and understands that her behaviour was unacceptable then I think there may be a case. Without going into details I've seen special ed kids do worse than deliberately wetting their own pants so it's plausible but we need more info to make any firm judgement.

Why would she deliberately wet her own pants? May get her out of doing the dishes as she has to be changed. Also punishes staff by making them perform a task [changing her] which they don't really enjoy.
 
  by: ixuzus     01/05/2007 01:09 AM     
  two questions  
 
Ignoring whether or not pant wetting is disorderly conduct or not.
Were the police present at the wetting? If not, they are arresting on heresay about disorderly conduct.

Do these police go around arresting incontinent pensioners?
 
  by: jendres     01/05/2007 02:11 AM     
  Somethings missing ...  
 
she's like TWELVE! and is in SPECIAL ED! WHY WAS NO TAZER USED? Perhaps no anti Bush slogans were on her myspace err space ... (what do you call that anyways?)

All the school and police officials will have to be investigated now.
 
  by: AccessG     01/05/2007 02:13 AM     
  i can believe it  
 
i knew of some kid who pulled down his pants and did a big turd in a classroom

he should not only have been arrested but also put down to save the world further misery
 
  by: skitzochronic   01/05/2007 02:18 AM     
  Thats dumb  
 
Why did the cops have to get involved in the first place!?

If you gotta go, you gotta go!
 
  by: Illuminated_Night   01/05/2007 03:49 AM     
  ROTFL  
 
jendres
I’m still trying to contain my self.
bahahaha

Really though even if the aforementioned “piss” was intention, charges???

So when are these guys going after that Betsy Wetsy b!tch!?! She pisses on people!
 
  by: Emp3r0r     01/05/2007 04:07 AM     
  reminds me  
 
of Mrs Emery from Little Britain.
 
  by: jendres     01/05/2007 04:32 AM     
  Ok, i think the schools to blame . .  
 
They're trying to make her do dishes, and she wets herself. They were obviously not handling the situation very well, and if the principal has made her soil herself on other occasions, then it must be him. BUT WHY WERE THE POLICE INVOLVED, AND WHY DID THEY ARREST HER!?
 
  by: Bob Shinoski   01/05/2007 05:20 AM     
  @ tib  
 
I agree with you. I have my children in a charter school for many of the reasons you have stated. I like the smaller teacher-student ratio's. The fact that kids that are beyond control are able to be moved to a school better to fit their needs. The close relationships I have with the teachers and staff.

I sent my oldest to the local public school here when we moved back from New England and they LOST my daughter in Kindergarten...had no clue as to where she was. When I complained the principal told me I was responsible for my own child. Sure if she was home, I had sent her to school I was not there with her! That was her last day at that school needless to say.
 
  by: TaraB     01/05/2007 05:32 AM     
  hmm  
 
lol @ dark

why would you want the embarrassment of being teased for the rest of your school days for wetting your pants?

this is just stupid, of course we dont know the whole thing but why would she do it on purpose? does she never want a boyfriend? lol
 
  by: groomsy     01/05/2007 06:34 AM     
  I don't see...  
 
...how a principal "at wit's end" with a 12-year-old student who has wet her pants on multiple occasions has any right to have the police file disorderly conduct charges against the said student.

Were I the mother of this child...I would probably own the school district by the end of the year.
 
  by: vanillaskye   01/05/2007 06:48 AM     
  @TIB  
 
"Too high students-per-teacher ratio."

indeed there are...high indeed.
 
  by: DarkWave     01/05/2007 09:20 AM     
  @vanillaskye  
 
From what I can tell the school alleges that she does it deliberately and knows exactly what she is doing. If that is the case it is antisocial behaviour and should be treated as such. Being in special ed does not give you a free pass.
 
  by: ixuzus     01/05/2007 10:44 AM     
  It's probably a way to expell her.  
 
They probably called the police so that they can expell her. It's probably hard to expel a special ed student for behavior problems. In the end, it's not right to force public schools to take care of these children. Special schools should be doing it.
 
  by: insomniac84   01/05/2007 11:42 AM     
  beh  
 
Although this girl may be "special-ed", she may have deserved the citation.

For example, my significant other works as a teacher. In this school, there is a particular student. This student is classified as "special ed" and has an IEP. (Invidivualized Education Program) In order to avoid doing anything he doesnt want to, he will fake seizures, cause distractions, or just plain disrupt class. I'm sure he would have "wet his pants", if he had thought of it yet. The major problem with this is that the teachers/staff can't do anything to correct his behavior. If he says he doesn't want to do anything, they can't correct his behavior, they have to supply alternative classwork. He's able to leave the classroom at anytime. He's not expected to write his own papers, the teacher has to "scribe" them for him. They've talked to his parents, which are completely unwilling to help and seem utterly uninterested in doing what's best for the child. They've talked to the schoolboard which denies their requests for expulsion and or transfer. The child is a waste of space in the school system and a distraction to every other child in the classroom. Not to mention, horribly unfair to every other student who does their work. In case you're wondering, the reason he has an IEP is because he has "Youth Defiant Syndrome", an utterly made up condition.

If the girl in question is similar to this boy, I'm glad she was charged. Hell, if she was like this boy, I would be okay with the police tazering her and maybe kicking her a few times. Maybe that would beat a little common sense into the kid.
 
  by: Svengali   01/05/2007 03:51 PM     
  What on earth could that horrible stench be?  
 
Urine? Feces? No…..its lawsuit!
Any student under an IEP (special ed) is protected by law and is almost untouchable (and in this case should be, icky!). This school is begging for a lawsuit. It pretty much takes a class 1 felony to get a special ed student expelled in the USA.

When you gotta go, you gotta go! An example of what happens when you don’t go when you gotta go.

Tycho Brahe:
An important Danish astronomer of the 16th century. His ground breaking research allowed Sir Isaac Newton to come up with the theory of gravity.

How he died: Didn't get to the bathroom in time.
In the 16th century, it was considered an insult to leave a banquet table before the meal was over. Brahe, known to drink excessively, had a bladder condition-but failed to relieve himself before the banquet started. He made matters worse by drinking too much at dinner, and was too polite to ask to be excused. His bladder finally burst, killing him slowly and painfully over the next 11 days.

Her defense is ironclad. She can't lose. Some school administrator will be looking for a new job...soon.
 
  by: Valkyrie123     01/05/2007 03:52 PM     
  @Svengali  
 
I tend to agree with you. If these special ed kids can’t be controlled and refuse to obey rules and do their work they are wasting everyone’s time and my money. There should be much tighter controls and more severe consequences for bad behavior no matter what your disability is. My fiancé is a special ed teacher and is appalled by the light-handedness used to discipline speds. I am dismayed by the audacity of most of the sped students who are convinced the teacher will do their work for them because the “No Child Left Behind” laws prevent schools from flunking students. NCLB is the crux of the problem. Way too many resources are being wasted on student that will never aspire to greatness while very high functioning children that could be the key to our future are neglected, their programs shut down for lack of funds. Sped students deserve an equal in expense education, not an expensive education at the expense of others, equality is not being served. At some point economics, return on investment, has to be factored into the equation. Being PC is nice, unfortunately it is sometimes very inefficient and expensive in more ways than just monetarily.
 
  by: Valkyrie123     01/05/2007 04:14 PM     
  @Valk  
 
Yeah, the whole system seems to be going the wrong way...

But, after reading the source, it looks as though the family will have no grounds for a lawsuit.
"Duckworth said the decision to call police was made in consultation with the girl’s parents, in hopes it would improve her behavior. He said it appears the mother later regretted the decision."
The mother okayed it so she has nothing!

On a side note, this town has an insane amount of school busses sitting around. At least that's all I have seen passing by on the highway.
 
  by: Svengali   01/05/2007 04:31 PM     
  Another good question  
 
Why did she have to do dishes?
 
  by: Jediman3     01/05/2007 05:49 PM     
  I knew a  
 
When I was in highschool, a "special ed" girl came
to stay with us, she was 17 and simply had a lower
IQ, she acted about 12 yrs old.

To get attention, she would do the craziest things,
one of them was to wet herself, another thing she'd
do was drool in a bucket and make wimpering
noises as though she was really really sick.

They were attention getters, that's it. It's hard to
believe that someone would do that. She's now in
her late 20's, has a job, husband and 2 kids. She
actually makes very decent money. I still can't
comprehend her. . .
 
  by: losangelaskan   01/06/2007 03:47 AM     
  @Svengali  
 
“Although this girl may be "special-ed", she may have deserved the citation.”

- I consider this highly unlikely. I can accept the police becoming involved over a serious physical fight, a stabbing, a rape, a murder, and things like that. Basic break down in school discipline should not have any involvement from police.

”For example, my significant other works as a teacher.”

- This does not really add legitimacy to your point.

“In this school, there is a particular student. This student is classified as "special ed" and has an IEP. (Invidivualized Education Program) In order to avoid doing anything he doesnt want to, he will fake seizures, cause distractions, or just plain disrupt class. I'm sure he would have "wet his pants", if he had thought of it yet. The major problem with this is that the teachers/staff can't do anything to correct his behavior. If he says he doesn't want to do anything, they can't correct his behavior, they have to supply alternative classwork. He's able to leave the classroom at anytime. He's not expected to write his own papers, the teacher has to "scribe" them for him. They've talked to his parents, which are completely unwilling to help and seem utterly uninterested in doing what's best for the child. They've talked to the schoolboard which denies their requests for expulsion and or transfer.”

- Yeah well that’s the price your significant other must pay for choosing that career for herself. My wife has to deal with crazy idiots all the time. That’s the price she pays for being a therapist in East Tennessee.

The fact that your significant other has a brat in her class is really irrelevant to this story. It doesn’t mean that police should be involved if a mentally impaired child wets themselves.

“The child is a waste of space in the school system and a distraction to every other child in the classroom.”

- Well that is what happens when you are involved in education. A certain percentage of children will be pretty difficult to deal with. This may be due to a mental health issue, bad parenting, or other reasons. In the old days these kids were beaten repeatedly with a paddle until they conformed. If they did not conform they would be sent to a reform school where they would be beaten even harder and more frequently. In the last decade most school districts frown upon beating kids (unless you are in the deep South). So the trend in the last decade or so has been to drug kids up. In recent years they seem to like a combination of drugs, and then charging them almost as adults for discipline infractions. No one method is more correct than the other. But let’s not pretend that there used to be a perfect system in place.

“Not to mention, horribly unfair to every other student who does their work. In case you're wondering, the reason he has an IEP is because he has "Youth Defiant Syndrome", an utterly made up condition.”

- Again this is just what happens in education. There will always be those ‘bad apples.’ Doesn’t mean that they need to be arrested and charged by police for what amounts to typical and common issues of discipline and misbehavior.

”If the girl in question is similar to this boy, I'm glad she was charged.”

- We have no idea what she is like, and only your second hand word for what this boy is like. It could be you a projecting your opinions on to this case with no real basis to do so.

“Hell, if she was like this boy, I would be okay with the police tazering her and maybe kicking her a few times. Maybe that would beat a little common sense into the kid.”

- Yeah because that’s what we need in this country. More police brutality, especially on the kids. Great insight there. Why don’t you re-post when you have something intelligent to contribute.
 
  by: ZCT     01/06/2007 08:40 AM     
  Petty Police Work  
 
Petty Police Work equals lots of new criminals in the computer...this is how government slowly works into Fascist policies and Police State actions.

Arrest and charge everyone and anyone for anything that you can...with a criminal record as petty as this one they can manipulate and harass you for the rest of your life...she will probably come out of it listed as a sex offender.
 
  by: owlafaye   01/06/2007 10:23 PM     
  skitzochronic  
 
One of the places I worked at,somebody didn't like the boss and one morning he went to his office and that somebody had done a big turd ON TOP of his desk.He said nothing to anyone to avoid any arguments with the employees,
and just cleaned it up.
 
  by: cavador   01/07/2007 01:13 PM     
  OMG  
 
sort it out as if you would do it on purpose, she's special ed, its not her fault, the school are just covering their own asses, i cant believe what the world s coming to!
 
  by: x_krissi_x   01/07/2007 05:37 PM     
  @ZCT  
 
I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my comment.

Police are involved in school matters quite frequently, from skipping school to extreme behavior. Therefore, it's quite reasonable the police would become involved in an extreme case like this. Also, the mother okay'd the police involvement with this child. So, regardless, it was justified.

"Yeah well that’s the price your significant other must pay for choosing that career for herself. My wife has to deal with crazy idiots all the time. That’s the price she pays for being a therapist in East Tennessee."

You're quite correct, this is the price she pays. However, this was here to describe a similar story and the "insight" I have behind it, not to gather pity.

During my years as a student, we always had the "few bad apples", but they were never to this degree. With the "No Child Left Behind" act, they are being integrated into normal classrooms instead of getting the actual care and attention they need. This causes problems with the teachers and the students who need the extra care. In probably both cases, the child is a result of a lack of disciplinary results. At 12 years old, a visit from the police can often exact a bit of discipline on the child. Which may be exactly what some of these children need. If the child is beyond a school system's control and the parents are of no use, then something needs to be done. In the scheme of things, police charging her with a minor offense isn't all that bad.

You're correct, some children are bound to "fall through the cracks." However, the school system is getting worse. The school system is not capable of handling kids like these and the integration of them into the classroom just makes it more possible for more kids to fall through the cracks. Add in our poor curriculum and stressed out/lazy teachers, and we're not in good shape. Something needs to be done about our school systems and "NCLB" just made it worse.



"Yeah because that’s what we need in this country. More police brutality, especially on the kids. Great insight there. Why don’t you re-post when you have something intelligent to contribute."

I apologize, this was meant to come off more "jokingly." I do not condone violence upon kids nor would I wish it upon them.

 
  by: Svengali   01/08/2007 02:36 PM     
  Discipline  
 
Their are ways to handle kids with behavior issues, but seeing this kid act the way he acts probably has a lot to do with what is going on at home as well.

Some parents are at wits end and do not know how to handle their own children, even normal children, some folks don't care to handle children and expect the school to raise their kid.

The kid simply got a citation, big deal. Maybe if you make the experience of peeing in your pants even more discomforting like being scared from the cops then maybe she'll quit.

I have two friends who both have kids with minor to severe case of autism. Both kids they spend a great deal of time with and take care of their kids. Their kids are well behaved. Both of them spent time with their kids and in many cases they did do a little corporal punishment. The kids understood that and they behaved. One of the autistic kids of my friend was taught so well you could not even tell he was autistic. His autism was so bad in the beginning that doctors said he would never talk, she worked with him, trained him and yes disciplined him and he is well off enough to be in normal classes and he has a few special ed classes in the day, other than that you'd never tell.

The other one is more extreme case but even then he knows when to sit quiet and when not to. If he gets loud out comes the little wooden spoon which he understands.

I bet this girl was not even as mentally challenged. Some children are defiant enough to wet themselves.

If she was that bad off though, and she didn't know what she was doing then maybe they went to far, however we don't have the whole story nor do we know the child personally.
 
  by: shawn1flog   01/08/2007 05:43 PM     
  You wack disciprine! nt  
 
 
  by: Emp3r0r     01/08/2007 06:55 PM     
  @emp3ror  
 
Is that a Bruce Lee quote?
 
  by: theironboard     01/08/2007 07:03 PM     
  @ironboard  
 
Southpark;)

@shawn1flog

To put it simply, I agree.
 
  by: Svengali   01/08/2007 07:14 PM     
  If she has a special needs problem  
 
And the school called the police for this, they should be charged for not only wasting their time but mental cruelty I hope they are dismissed, heartless idiots.
 
  by: captainJane     01/16/2007 01:13 PM     
  Kids with Disabilities  
 
Have any of you ever worked with kids with disabilities?

Some of the comments on this thread show that some of you not only have not, but that you have no understanding or compassion for these kids.

Many "normal" kids wet their pants when stressed or frightened. Yes, usually they are younger, but many kids with disabilities are mentally and emotionally much young than their years.

Many of them are incapable of expressing themselves well and are thus easily intimidated.

To just assume that this girl "intentionally" wet herself is ridiculous. There could be many reasons this happened - anything from fear, stress or even constipation (which many of these kids have due to the meds they need to take for their condition.)

It's so easy to judge a situation when you are not even there. The fact is that none of us know why she wet herself.

But if this child has wet herself before during confrontations with this principal, maybe she is frightened of him or her.

And to the person who was complaining that a teacher had to act as a scribe, many kids with disabilities have difficulties with fine motor skills and have an extrememly difficult time writing. Thus, either the teacher writes out things for the child or the child is given a transcribing machine - but most school districts don't want to go to that expense.

Being in special ed does not and should not "give them a pass". They should be given firm and consistent rules that consider their disability.

These kids have a hard enough time trying to fit into our world. Give them a break already! If these teachers were trained in how to deal with kids with disabilities, everyone would have a much easier go of it. And the kids would be able to grow up and function in the world.

And for any child to be charged with Disorderly Conduct over wet pants is a crime in itself, in my book! Don't the police have any real criminals to go after?
 
  by: zetetiac   10/11/2008 07:41 AM     
  If I Wet Your Pants Its Disorderly Conduct  
 
Wetting mine is a different story.

Sounds like the police and the principal are special ed.
 
  by: ichi     10/11/2008 09:10 AM     
 
 
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