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02/08/2007 07:22 PM ID: 60076 Permalink   

School: Dismiss Lawsuit over Gay Topics

 

Lexington, MA school officials have asked that a lawsuit, filed by parents of 2 children who were exposed to books with gay elements, be dismissed. The parents claim the discussion violates their rights as parents to teach their religion's morality.

School lawyer John Davis said, "The parents do have rights...but they don't have the right to dictate to the public school system what their children can be exposed to in the way of ideas." 30 demonstrators for both sides rallied near the courthouse.

Parents' lawyer Robert Sinsheimer said they fear, "their kids are being brainwashed," in the only state currently allowing gay marriage. The parents want to be warned of such topics arising in their childrens' grade school so they may be avoided.

 
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  31 Comments
  
  I'm not..  
 
A biblical scholar, but I could swear there isn't a commandment telling people to be ignorant and intolerant. I might have missed it though, I'll have to check..
 
  by: StarShadow     02/08/2007 07:45 PM     
  @Starshadow  
 
would you complain if your kids were being taught about how much fund being molested by teachers is?

Note, that was the first example that came to mind, I dont think gay people are more likely to molest children.

We all have our own beliefs,
 
  by: GogeVandire   02/08/2007 08:05 PM     
  Good for the school  
 
Honestly if the parents are that concerned that their children are being "brainwashed" maybe they should put them in a private school that only gives their beliefs.

In the real world we run into all kinds of people and all kinds of situations, leaving our children unprepared for reality is not a good thing. History is full of things that we could "protect" our children from, but then they would only be getting on view of what really happened.

It is time we stop dumbing down our kids because someone is offended.
 
  by: TaraB     02/08/2007 08:13 PM     
  @Goge  
 
In the future, maybe you should wait until third or fourth examples come to mind.

Anyway, it's been said before - parents do the parenting and teachers educate. Why the parents are so worried that the schools will have more sway over their children than they will is beyond me.
 
  by: Volkova_Nova     02/08/2007 08:16 PM     
  Weird people  
 
Hopefully the kids don't take after their parents.
 
  by: Dark_Stang   02/08/2007 08:19 PM     
  @Goge  
 
If you think up an example that makes sense, by all means present it.
 
  by: StarShadow     02/08/2007 08:22 PM     
  let's also sue schools for teaching..  
 
let's also sue schools for teaching...

Gender topics: because God created a man first, and that's the end of it.

Race topics: because mud people are savages, and that's the end of it.

Geology: because mountains and rivers are created by God and the pagan forces of nature can goto hell, and that's the end of it.

Astronomy: because the Earth is in the center, and that's the end of it.

Physics: because it's the devil's work, plain and simple.

etc, etc, ad nauseam. Schools shape children to live in a modern society and if your beliefs and values don't jive with the beliefs and values of a modern society then tough, you'll have to deal with your children being taught another set of beliefs and values.
 
  by: bane39   02/08/2007 08:27 PM     
  @Goge, and my thoughts  
 
Goge, that example was really inappropriate on many levels. Besides its needlessly inflamatory nature, it depicts blatant propaganda based in falsehoods and dangerous to children. What's being taught here is none of these, regardless of the parents' opinions. Even if they thought such things, but the judge does not have to rule upon such wild delusions.

Social conservatives have turned the Constitution on its ear to validate their suppression of other viewpoints. The right to have a belief is not the right to inflict it upon others. It is not the right to have beliefs respected by social institutions, especially not to the point of putting it above others' beliefs, let alone reality. Were this a book about how gays are superior, live better lives, or some other such thing, Goge and the parents might have a point. However, all they are really about are the reality of gay people leading normal, happy lives. Public institutions are charged with teaching impartially about the real world. The parents do have rights - to homeschool or send their kids to private schools. They can even move to a deserted island where their kids needn't be exposed to anything until they think it's appropriate. Bane is right, where does it end if society must cater to every beliefs' rejection of the world's more controversial elements?

Oh, and bane, you forgot evolution, the previous fiend for these folks.
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     02/08/2007 08:54 PM     
  @Star  
 
I think you cant do this(This story), and do this(http://www.shortnews.com/...

You cant bow to one group, and ignore another.
 
  by: GogeVandire   02/08/2007 09:05 PM     
  @Goge  
 
As I said, when you manage to think of a good example, by all means present it.
 
  by: StarShadow     02/08/2007 09:10 PM     
  @bane  
 
it frightens me to know that some of the things they teach in schools right now are considered being part of a 'modern' society.
(not referring to gay topics)
 
  by: hamstertube   02/08/2007 10:42 PM     
  @StarShadow  
 
Actually, the Bible is full of ignorance and intolerance.

Christians are generally a product of their religion - inane, illogical and childish.
 
  by: p_g_chris   02/08/2007 11:01 PM     
  @MoC  
 
You people would be flipping out if it were the Bible they were exposing your kids to, but since its a liberal subject, you guys think it is dumb. Such Hypocrites.
 
  by: Classy   02/08/2007 11:53 PM     
  @classy  
 
"You people"...that's priceless. *pinches cheek*

No, kids should be educated on the belief systems of the world, just as they should be educated on the different conditions of human bonding. Outrage would arise Christian beliefs were taught as fact, but while no one can prove God exists, I can go to Massachusetts and find gay families. Thusly, they are teaching about the world around them, not a particular faction's beliefs on it. There's a big difference, and thusly no hypocrisy. I'd imagine you'd pitch a fit if gay couples were to demand notification whenever heterosexuality were to be mentioned in school, and THAT would be hypocrisy.
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     02/09/2007 12:12 AM     
  you got love this  
 
All these gay basher that preach that gay is against god. But look at the bible there is maybe 2-4 passages that dictate that gay is bad but then you start to count all that are against heterosexuals is around 365. So tell me who should be condemned.


Ignorance is bliss.
Its funny we used to be about anti-black. Now thats been abolished. They are now going against smokers and homosexuals.

I think the school should be awarded for its stand against those who act as a idiotic nature.
 
  by: eqlb   02/09/2007 12:43 AM     
  @chris  
 
Looks like Classy decided to help prove your point..
 
  by: StarShadow     02/09/2007 12:49 AM     
  @Starshadow  
 
I agree...

That's what pisses me off about religion, Christianity in particular.. the way people hijack it for their own selfish agenda of bigotry, homophobia, determining rights of other people's unborn babies and political intervention.

It's funny how they preach tolerance, kindness, love for your fellow man but HEY we hate those f#%$ots, those damn Moslems and their terrorism, ooooh you better let that child live, it has rights...you've been raped?? So?

...I'm just sick of religion - mind control, has anyone come to that realisation? When I see a stadium packed for Hillsong or Benny Hinn.. do you feel that somehow it's a brainwashing session?

My friend recently asked about what I think about gay marriage.. my reply knowing he was a Christian "Doesn't bother me, I think it should only be civil ceremonies, purely symbolic..everything a wedding has but not legally binding" Interesting he replies as he tells me his reading on moral issues..

Now..being a Christian why would it be of concern? Jesus would say "FFS you guys, respect the word first..love on another and drop the vindictiveness of your hateful agenda thinking your doing it in my name..now walk it off!"
 
  by: Mr-Anderson   02/09/2007 12:52 AM     
  -----  
 
I myself am not a Christian... baptised Catholic without say and have never attended church in 12 years...and counting.
 
  by: Mr-Anderson   02/09/2007 12:54 AM     
  @StarShadow, MrAnderson  
 
Yeah! That was good!

MrA
I'm actually curious as to why you don't think it should be legally binding... no accusations (!) - just curious.
 
  by: p_g_chris   02/09/2007 01:43 AM     
  @Pgchris  
 
Accusations? huh..

Well I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman... I'm not peddling the religious aspect of that of course but still some sort of line needs to be visible.

- You can be a couple
- Get married but not legally observed
- Live your lives, marriage is just a piece of paper anyway..marriage is purely 100% symbolic and love for one another, if you got that what laws can say that's illegal?
 
  by: Mr-Anderson   02/09/2007 03:15 AM     
  Rip Snorter  
 
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  by: Rip Snorter   02/09/2007 03:34 AM     
  Apart from the symbol  
 
Gays want marriage for the legal advantages it brings you. Some insurence polocies only pay out to blood family and MARRIED partners. So if your not married, no life insurence. If your injured and the hospital decides your visitors are family only, that means imediete family and married partners. Gay people have had their partners refused entry because they are neither married nor blood relative.
I dont know about the USA but there are a buch more privledges in Australia that only a married partner\family utilise. Another one that springs to mind is concent to a medical procedure while their partner is unconcious. If religon has any say in marriage then people who are not religious should not be able to be married either, if its a legal process then ALL are entitled to it.
 
  by: ssxxxssssss   02/09/2007 03:38 AM     
  @MrA  
 
The reason most want it legally recognized is because married couples get tax breaks, are allowed medical visits, etc. Like, a gay partner can't see their partner in the emergency room, which is a large part of it I believe.
 
  by: fballer23   02/09/2007 03:38 AM     
  Mr Anderson  
 
The point is legal recognition. There's nothing symbolic about the rights that piece of paper provides.
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     02/09/2007 03:38 AM     
  ?  
 
Are Jewish homosexuals allowed to get married with in there church?
 
  by: eqlb   02/09/2007 05:38 AM     
  ....  
 
"but they don't have the right to dictate to the public school system what their children can be exposed to in the way of ideas..."

what kind of nonsense is that if they say that I can't decide what I want my kid exposed to?
 
  by: Leparsdon     02/09/2007 05:44 AM     
  The nonsense...  
 
...that is life. It doesn't wait for most people. Why should it for you or these parents?
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     02/09/2007 06:16 AM     
  @Leparsdon  
 
In most public school religion cannot not be brought into the school. So for those two parents to bring in there religious thoughts is asinine. If there really concerned about there children as much as that, then why are those children in a public school in the first place.
 
  by: eqlb   02/09/2007 06:37 AM     
  @Leparsdon  
 
You can say what your want your kids exposed to all your want. Doesn't mean you get what you want.

If you actually want total control over what your kids are exposed to then raise them in a sound-proof box with no connection to the outside. Kids are raised by the community, by their peers, by society plus their parents. Parents get the first crack at shaping their children's world view but they do not hold a monopoly on it. If these parents are so damn concerned with 'Gay topics' then they should provide their children with their perspective; doesn't mean the children will adopt that perspective but there's a good chance they will.
 
  by: bane39   02/09/2007 07:02 AM     
  Dont those parents know  
 
how completely ignorant this makes them look?
 
  by: bluraven64   02/09/2007 07:44 AM     
  We need an everyone versus everyone court case..  
 
that way we can get it all over with in one big hit and never have to worry about litigation again...

That or ban everyone from having different opinions... /sarcasm

ANYONE who says religion needs to be banned or abolished is JUST as guilty as someone who says gays should be banned. If gays are allowed freedom of speech without persecution then so are the people who are religious. YOU CANT HAVE ONE AND THEN BE AGAINST THE OTHER IF YOU SAY YOU SUPPORT FREE SPEECH
 
  by: savagepotato     02/09/2007 10:20 AM     
 
 
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