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02/28/2007 01:57 AM ID: 60582 Permalink   

Al Gore's Mansion Uses 20 Times the National Average of Power

 

According to data taken from the Nashville Electric Service, Al Gore's mansion consumes more energy per month than the average American household does in a year.

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. By contrast, Al Gore's home consumed 221,000 kWh in 2006, with 22,619 kWh consumed in August alone - twice the national average.

"As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk the walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use," said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

 
  Source: www.tennesseepolicy.org  
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  Interesting..  
 
Great find Volkova. You'd think that being such an ardent environmentalist, Mr. Gore would be leading by example..
 
  by: StarShadow     02/28/2007 02:10 AM     
  @StarShadow  
 
I agree. I mean, I'm not expecting the guy to live in a mud cottage or something, but really, don't they make solar-powered mansions? Surely he could afford one.
 
  by: Volkova_Nova     02/28/2007 02:12 AM     
  Interesting  
 
Very good work here. Frankly, I'm glad to have SOMEONE talking the talk, even if only that. Let's face it - most mouthpieces out there are the people who can afford to get their message out. Should Gore be walking the walk? Absolutely...but that doesn't diminish the importance of the work he's done, just the quality of his character. Being a politician, I doubt anyone expected that he'd be perfect, or without hypocrisy.
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     02/28/2007 02:14 AM     
  @ MomentOfClarity  
 
I wholly disagree with that.

He's quite obvioulsy a hypocrit, and a hypocrit is'nt worth a damn of his own words.

This is no different from any other hypocritical scenario, example: those advocating child protection getting busted for molesting children (all over shortnews) ..... they say one thing and do another.

I am NOT correlating extreme power waste to molestation - just the principal of the scenarios, I mean, that is what's supposed to count, the principal.
 
  by: Discarded Vet   02/28/2007 02:28 AM     
  hmm  
 
do as I say, not as I do? I have often employed this where I work and I can get away with it.
 
  by: John E Angel     02/28/2007 03:14 AM     
  @Vet  
 
By all means, regard Gore as a hypocrite. But the first person to throw his work in the trash like a Milli-Vanilli tape is a moron.
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     02/28/2007 03:32 AM     
  Well..  
 
This doesn't make his message/cause any less important or believable, but it it's quite disappointing. It doesn't help his credibility any though, and rather makes it look like he doesn't believe very strongly in his own cause.
 
  by: StarShadow     02/28/2007 03:44 AM     
  Something is wrong here.  
 
According to this report the average american household is a mansion???

I'm sure they didn't keep that in mind before accusing someone, not to mentio nall the extra security the guy must have for being the ex vice president of the USA..

i mean seriously, you guys ain't believing this crap are you?
 
  by: Ph0bia   02/28/2007 04:00 AM     
  Hypocrite  
 
This has been all over the local channels (here in Nashville), since his documentary on global warming went to DVD.

Gore's DVD has some education value to it. But, as I said in this thread,
http://www.shortnews.com/... , the message is acceptable, but the messenger was not.

He lives a little over an hour away from me. Hard to imagine a house his size (a $3-million mansion) could be economical. Not to mention all the SUVs you see parked in front of his home. Granted, the SUVs may not be his – his publicist said he drives a hybrid.

His natural gas bill also averages $1,085 p/mo. My average gas bill for a 3,800 sq. ft. home is $95 p/mo. I have a gas stove, gas fireplace, gas water heater, and gas heat, so I go through quite a bit of gas, myself. Given that the average home in this state is 1,600 sq. ft, that’s quite a bit of gas being used.

Others have also mentioned his trip on private jets. All that oil consumption can't be too good for the environment, especially when you can take a commercial jet (equivalent to car-pooling, with jets).

My biggest question:
He was Vice President for 8 years. What did he do for the cause of Global Warming?

Hypocrite? For sure.
 
  by: CArnold     02/28/2007 04:22 AM     
  Before we get all crabby  
 
http://news.yahoo.com/...

This is a story that explains much more on the article. The electric company has said that no one has even asked for Mr Gore's bills so how would they know the exact amount?

"The think tank said Gore used nearly 221,000 kilowatt hours last year and that his average monthly electric bill was $1,359. Johnson said his group got its figures from Nashville Electric Service.

But electric company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never provided them with any information."

Add in that he is purchasing green power and renovating to use solar panels it seems he is at least trying to remain carbon neutral.

Another thing I found interesting.."Johnson said Gore's home has gas lamps lining his driveway, a heated pool and an electric gate — all of which would be easy to do without.

"He's not doing enough in his home to be going around telling other people how to reduce consumption," Johnson said. "

So now Johnson is nitpicking that Gore has a heated pool and an electric gate. Well since he is an Ex VP I would think some type of security is needed and really if I could I would heat my pool also.

Does Johnson live in the ghetto doing with only the very basics? If not he hasn't any room to talk either.

@CA good on you for only spending %95 per month, that wouldn't happen here in the North though not with the winters we have.

 
  by: TaraB     02/28/2007 05:06 AM     
  Another thing  
 
How many of us walk the walk? And I mean those of us that are concerned with global warming?

Does anyone here not use a dryer or uses it sparingly? I haven't even turned one on in over 3 months and before that it was only used for towels and underwear.

Do you put extra laters on instead of cranking the heat when its cold? Walk or car pool? I mean yes they are little things, but what is everyone doing to help in whatever way they can?
 
  by: TaraB     02/28/2007 05:17 AM     
  @TaraB  
 
Hey, Tara. Good seeing you again.

“@CA good on you for only spending [$]95 per month, that wouldn't happen here in the North though not with the winters we have.”
Thanks. We have mild winters here, in Tennessee. The fact my girlfriend and I almost always eat out helps out with keeping the gas bill low (what’s an oven?). But those savings immediate go out the window when she runs the gas fireplace in the evening. Nothing will jack up your gas bill like running a gas fireplace for hours. I keep telling her it’s cheaper to simply turn up the thermostat, but she likes the ambiance of the fireplace. Women…

“The electric company has said that no one has even asked for Mr Gore's bills so how would they know the exact amount?”
Actually, our local news has obtained a copy of his electrical bill. As I mentioned, this has been in the local news here, before. It was very coincidental that they were running the story again, tonight, as I was typing my first post (that’s where I got the figures for his gas bill). They’ve obtained his electrical bills since January 2006.

Check out their article, here:
http://www.wztv.com/...

The site uses CGI script with Java. Consequently, there are no links to copy from the address-bar because this web-language uses “post-backs” instead of URL redirections.
If you click on the “Back to Headlines” link at the bottom of the page, click on the “News” link on the left-side menubar, and then click on the “Al Gore” article in their list of recent news, you’ll be able to read the same news – only in a pretty interface.

They also mentioned the solar panels, but “planning” to install and “had” them installed are two different animals.
 
  by: CArnold     02/28/2007 05:40 AM     
  Another thing  
 
From the Yahoo story:

Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider said: "Sometimes when people don't like the message, in this case that global warming is real, it's convenient to attack the messenger."

Kreider said Gore purchases enough energy from renewable energy sources such as solar, wind and methane gas to balance 100 percent of his electricity costs.

Gore, who owns homes in Carthage, Tenn., and in the Washington area, has said he leads a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." To balance out other carbon emissions, the Gores invest money in projects to reduce energy consumption, Kreider said.
 
  by: l´anglais     02/28/2007 05:42 AM     
  Completely biased  
 
This summary has none of Gore's side of the story; you have to read mine and TaraB's comments way at the bottom even to see Gore's side. Also, the source is the Web site of the conservative group that is attacking Gore -- not exactly the most objective source that could be found on this story.
 
  by: l´anglais     02/28/2007 05:45 AM     
  @ CA  
 
Hi there.

Yeah the gas fireplace would ruin it pretty much. I live in the mitten state and this past month we have had below freezing. Even with not using the dryer and everything else we do my bill went up $40.

And thank you for the link to the local story. I don't think Gore is doing all he can, but I do admire him for speaking out about and and attempting to become less dependant on the usual ways.
 
  by: TaraB     02/28/2007 05:51 AM     
  Give the guy a break.  
 
He's done more for the cause than any of us have done, combined.
 
  by: caution2     02/28/2007 05:59 AM     
  @TaraB  
 
"How many of us walk the walk? And I mean those of us that are concerned with global warming?"

Just off the top of my head, I ...

*Line-dry all my laundry without exception. I have lines I can hang up indoors if the weather's not suitable.

*Walk short distances, bike moderate distances, ride a motor scooter for a trip of a few miles and drive a fuel-efficient car when I must drive.

*Have properly weather-sealed my home to keep heating and cooling needs low.

*Use a carpet sweeper instead of a vaccuum cleaner. Same result, no electricity used.

*Use nothing but energy-efficient appliances and light bulbs.

*Collect rainwater, etc. for uses such as washing the car, watering the plants, etc.

*Recycle about 10 times more than I throw away.

*Use washable materials instead of disposable materials wherever practical -- grocery bags, lunch containers, water bottles, silverware, napkins and handkerchiefs.

*Buy environmentally friendly laundry detergent, dish detergent, surface cleaner and toilet paper.

*Use cloth towels instead of paper towels whenever possible.

*Use a solar-powered battery charger to power gadgets such as my camera and digital recorder. Use rechargable batteries in everything that requires batteries.

*Switched to my energy provider's 100-percent renewable energy plan, so that the electricity I do use comes from wind and solar.

*Use only as much water as is necessary (no running water down the drain while brushing teeth, shaving, etc.).

I'm sure there's more, but I can't think of it all right now. The fact is, I didn't start doing all these things at once. I adopted one or two behaviors at a time, and I can tell you, I don't feel like I'm spending all my time trying to save the planet. It's been very easy to transition to a lifestyle that leaves less of an environmental impact. And when I read the latest article about global warming, I can feel good that I'm doing a lot to keep from contributing to it.
 
  by: l´anglais     02/28/2007 06:00 AM     
  @l'anglais  
 
"Also, the source is the Web site of the conservative group that is attacking Gore..."

Well, would you expect a site that supported Gore to publish such a thing?

Seriously... This is how check and balances occur. This is how the left hand knows what the right hand is doing. More often, than not, it's the opposing party/team/organization/company that blows the whistle when their opponent is falling from grace.
 
  by: CArnold     02/28/2007 06:10 AM     
  @l'anglais  
 
"This summary has none of Gore's side of the story; you have to read mine and TaraB's comments way at the bottom even to see Gore's side."

CArnold's link appears to back up what the source article is saying.

"Also, the source is the Web site of the conservative group that is attacking Gore -- not exactly the most objective source that could be found on this story."

But, again, if a local news source has backed up what is being said here, then it shouldn't matter who's delivering the story.

At the same time, I'm glad this story started a discussion that had multiple sides of the story brought into play. Certainly makes it more lively. Thanks for the input!
 
  by: Volkova_Nova     02/28/2007 06:15 AM     
  Oh, my ...  
 
CArnold: "Also, the source is the Web site of the conservative group that is attacking Gore..."

Well, would you expect a site that supported Gore to publish such a thing?"

No, I would expect a site called Shortnews to have summaries of articles from news organizations rather than summaries of press releases from partisan political organizations. You missed my point entirely -- I was calling for balance in the reporting of the story.

"More often, than not, it's the opposing party/team/organization/company that blows the whistle when their opponent is falling from grace."

What fall from grace? Did you read my quote from the Yahoo article? The Gores offset their energy consumption with renewables investments so that their carbon balance is neutral. It's not that hard a concept to understand ...

Volkova: "But, again, if a local news source has backed up what is being said here, then it shouldn't matter who's delivering the story."

It matters if it leaves out key information that makes the true story far less sensational than the reported story. I could report that Joe shot Dave point-blank in the face, and it might sound like Joe's a bad guy unless you also know that Dave was swinging an ax at Joe, trying to kill him. All I'm saying is that Gore has a pretty compelling counter-argument to the accusation that he's hypocritical, and his side appears nowhere in the summary.
 
  by: l´anglais     02/28/2007 06:27 AM     
  However,  
 
In the interests of fairness, there is this:

"Electric bills obtained by The Tennessean, however, showed that Gore is paying a premium on his bills to be part of the “green power” program. Gore purchased 108 blocks of “green power” for at least each of the last three months, according to a summary of bills from Nashville Electric Service.

That’s a total of $432 a month spent to pay extra for solar or other renewable energy sources. NES power – outside this program - is derived largely from coal, which emits carbon, a green house gas.

The green power purchased by Gore in those three months is equivalent to recycling 2.48 million aluminum cans, or recycling 286,092 pounds of newspaper, according to comparison figures on the utility's Web site."

[Source: http://www.tennessean.com/...

SO it seems that while he's spending a great deal on his mansion, it's energy spending towards "green power".

Which nonetheless makes me wonder - isn't the most effecient way to reduce one's environmental impact to consume less in the first place? Just a thought.

Anyway, again - good discussion!
 
  by: Volkova_Nova     02/28/2007 06:29 AM     
  I dunno if anyone said this...  
 
But it should be quite obvious that whoever speaks internationally about enviromental issues is a hypocrit because they most likely flew in a plane that used a ridiculous amount of fuel.

Honestly most of the things that help this world will be mandatory, and by mandatory I mean that they will be things we have to do because there is no other option. For instance electric cars when it becomes cheaper than gas. Renewable energy when it becomes cheaper than burning coal. It will all happen eventually... it may be 10 degrees warmer when it does but it'll happen.
I can tell you right now it won't be by choice for the everday consumer.
 
  by: kuhl   02/28/2007 06:30 AM     
  @l'anglais  
 
I have done much of what you have said for a long time also. I didn't start in one day and when my kids were babies I admit I used easier ways and the dryer a lot! Where I live we can not hang clothes outside at any time of the year, but I do hang my clothes in the basement.

I was brought up by parents that knew how to save a dime. We used to be teased because we would re-use whatever we could. Now those same people are doing what we did when I was a kid.
I can not remember the last time paper towels, plates, cups or plastic utensils were used in my house.

My daughters' school also is big on recycling so between home and here they will never remember a time they haven't. The rainwater is also good for our mini-gardens and the herbs.
 
  by: TaraB     02/28/2007 06:31 AM     
  @Volkova  
 
"Which nonetheless makes me wonder - isn't the most effecient way to reduce one's environmental impact to consume less in the first place? Just a thought."

I agree that is the most important thing to use less. Some of us do it more, some less, and others not at all. I think it is good that people are keeping an eye on Gore and others that are vocal about this issue. I also think that some of those that are watching him and the others are waiting for them to fall on their faces.

I don't know if Tipper used cloth or disposable dipes or if she uses paper twoels or even cooks herself. I can say what I did and do to try and do my part. I think that this whole conversation has been good and I am glad you posted the article. Anything that gets people to think about what they can do to make a difference is a good thing.
 
  by: TaraB     02/28/2007 06:37 AM     
  give him a break  
 
he never called himself the world's icon of energy conservation. he just made a movie.
 
  by: reverend j roach     02/28/2007 06:46 AM     
  Only 3 months?  
 
I was just re-reading the news article posted by our local station, and they said their electrical bill was for his Belle Meade home!

How is this significant?

Earlier, I told everyone I lived a little over an hour from his home. That’s when I thought they were talking about his home in Carthage, TN. I never knew he had a home in Belle Meade – I live less than 5 minutes from Belle Meade. It’s the most expensive place to live in Nashville (in re to real-estate prices -- In this part of Nashville, you can expect to pay up to $15K p/sq. ft. just for the land your home sits on.) It’s the “90210” of Nashville, if you’re the type of person who shops for homes according to their zip-codes.

Doing additional research, I found he’s got 3 homes (l'anglais mentioned the one in the DC area.) All large. All consuming enormous amounts of energy.

As TaraB pointed out…
“Add in that he is purchasing green power…”
This is true. But he didn’t get signed onto their Green Plan until 3 months ago. 3 Months??? His movie, alone, has been out longer than that! Hypocrite.

Multiple homes using vast amounts of energy, his Glufstream private jet, and the fact he didn’t do squat for the environment when he was Vice President for 8 years…

I dunno… I think the producers of “An Inconvenient Truth” could have found a better spokesperson.

@ l'anglais
If you’re bothered about this source, perhaps this one will satisfy you:

http://abcnews.go.com/...
 
  by: CArnold     02/28/2007 06:59 AM     
  So um, how about this  
 
YAY the whackos are out! I'll trade ya -

Everyone that doesn't like Al Gore being a hypocrite can demand he stop talking about the environment, and in return all of us who are appalled that this president has borrowed more foreign dollars than all of his 42 predecessors combined get to have Bush and Cheney impeached. I mean, THAT'S wasteful. And besides, why do we need lower interest rates. I mean, with a war for every season, you simply can't lower interest rates =)

I'd rather have all of Al Gore's houses running on soft-coal furnaces (had one when I was a kid) than to have this band of sub-par, megalomaniac neocons running the show.

People are just splitting hairs here - lets look for THIS statistic - how much energy do Al Gore's houses consume compared to houses of comparable size and status in those same neighborhoods. THAT’S a valid comparison.

I mean at least the guy is trying to make the world better…. What is the Education president doing (besides butchering English)?

Well lets see, he cuts around $4.3 billion (48 education programs) in his 2006-2007 budget alone. Virtually all 48 programs that Mr. Bush desires to end are intended to educate children, young adults and college students who are disabled, economically disadvantaged, limited English-proficient and even illiterate. - http://usliberals.about.com/...

Now that’s saying one thing and doing another lol
 
  by: Voodoods   02/28/2007 09:47 AM     
  @Voodoo  
 
I think the comparison is quite fair.

He owns 3 large houses, a private jet, several "gas guzzlers" ect.

Owning more houses shouldnt be some "right" to use more power, certainly not if your going to tell others to use less.
 
  by: Gogevandire   02/28/2007 10:10 AM     
  Carbon credit  
 
In Australia, we have something similar designed to encourage people to use low powered light globes and alternative energy sources.

Basically, the government will reimburse you some portion of your costs based on how much "carbon" you save in your usage. This is purchased by the government and used to balance out their carbon emmissions.
 
  by: lauriesman     02/28/2007 10:37 AM     
  @Voodoo  
 
“…how much energy do Al Gore's houses consume compared to houses of comparable size and status in those same neighborhoods…”

While we’re at it, let’s ask:
How many forest fires were caused by Smokey The Bear vs. humans?
How much litter is the result of Woodsy Owl vs. his neighbors?
How many church members molest little boys vs. their Catholic Priests?

Answer: It doesn’t matter! If you’re Smokey, Woodsy, or a Priest of any denomination, you represent a cause or belief. For any of these guys to press a message to the public and then commit the very actions that they prejudiciously advocate against would make them hypocrites.

Bill Gates has a $20-million mansion. It more resembles a campus, than a home. I expect he goes through double, triple, or even quadruple the energy Gore does. But do you know why he’s not in the headlines for it? Because he’s not trying to represent himself as some eco-friendly savior of the planet.

Point is: If you’re going to step up and represent yourself as a spokesperson for the cause, then you need to walk the walk. Putting yourself in that position makes you much more accountable and, in public opinion, you are held to a higher standard, in regards to your cause. To do otherwise only cheapens the message and, in this case, makes his global warming campaign seem like a political farce.
 
  by: CArnold     02/28/2007 03:41 PM     
  @CArnold  
 
Actaully the fair comparision is to find a realistic baseline to comapare him to, not 'the average american household'; Nowhere in that article did it state those trucks are his - so we cant include those, sorry - don't pad the statistic.

Again, the premise is 'Al Gore uses too much energy'. And so the question is 'compared to whom?'

My assertion is, in order to make a valid comparision, compare apples to apples - in other words, similar structures with similar energy needs.

Is he just supposed to sell his houses and live in a mud hut or something? Its a 'thin edge of the wedge' argument. As a spokesperson, he isn't required to have 'the best rating' of anyone out there -that's an unrealistic notion that borders on the absurd. Rather, as a spokesperson, he should be taking steps in his life to conserve and reduce his consumption, which he clearly is doing.

So again - lets compare apples to apples and not try to appeal to emotions - use a scientifically sound comparison (like structures with similar needs) as a baseline and I'm sure Al would be well under these folks. You are acting like the article read 'Al sucks compared to other Green People', but that's not the argument - its comparing him to the 'average' and in his case, that would be the 'average' house in his area. To compare otherwise is a poor sample and needs to be rejected statistically.

 
  by: Voodoods   02/28/2007 10:30 PM     
  how many  
 
of you all, that are critisizing Al Gore are being eco friendly? Really? Or carbon neutral?
 
  by: ssxxxssssss   02/28/2007 10:42 PM     
  @ ssxxxssssss  
 
I asked that and only one person answered and it was one that wasn't critisizing him. It's far easier to complain about something than working on fixing it.
 
  by: TaraB     02/28/2007 10:58 PM     
  @Tara, CArnold  
 
I don't think those criticizing Gore here will answer simply because they're NOT eco-friendly at all; nor do they really care about the cause, just his alleged betrayal of it because it provides them ammo against someone to the left of them. What this really is about is a backdoor way to attack the validity of global warming by attacking a strong proponent of it. It's like the way some attack the Catholic faith by pointing to the Pope's Nazi ties.

The fact that people like CArnold would like to ignore is that Gore's lifestyle is NOT that of the average citizen. He's never claimed to be some kind of environmental Jesus, perfect and without sin. He has advocated people make changes in their lives, which he's done. He does need the jet - what's he supposed to do, walk and swim to his international engagements? Can one secure a former VP in coach? A lot of this has to do with security. The rest has to do with the extravagance common to a person of his standing, and while he may not need it, I don't think he's ever encouraged people to live far below their standard of living (which for him would be the average household).

Yeah, he's a rich guy with a message, but we can see that he's doing more than a LOT of rich people with messages. He did when he was VP, too; or did I just imagine all that Kyoto stuff that we heard about endlessly in the late 1990s? How quickly, and conveniently, we forget...
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     03/01/2007 12:03 AM     
  Warming? Yes. Us causing it? No.  
 
What is the supposed blame for the warming? Us. How? Heavy use of fossil fuels. When did we heavily use fossil fuels? Long long after the medieval period.

Why do I mention the medieval period? Because it was back then during a warm period, the cause of which still is unknown, when the south of England had a wine industry. Think back to before Braveheart. That far back. I don't remember the Scots charging the English in SUVs.

Then we got a cold period called The Little Ice Age and this is why France's claim to fame in beverages is wine and England's is in beer.

The records are very clear that there has been a repetitive cycle of ups and downs and if you look at the fine picture, within the overal wave/curve there are up and down spikes the entire time.

It should be getting warmer now. And in a time to come, let's say within another one to five thousand years it will get colder again. It's happened before and it will happen again.
 
  by: Captain Jackalope   03/01/2007 01:54 AM     
  LOL  
 
This is the best attack that the radical right can come up with? They sound like a kindergarten bully saying "Your mama wears combat boots." Come on, you can do better than that. ROFLMAO This does nothing to diminish the message of global warming that the nutters disavow.
 
  by: JonSmith     03/01/2007 02:05 AM     
  Political BS  
 
Sorry, but this is nothing more than a right wing attack on Al Gore. A swift boat campaign if you will.

The guy is a former Vice President of the US. Do you expect him to live in a small condo in the suburbs? He lives in a very large house, he has security officers, he lives a life style that is going to be different from the average American.

The average American is not a millionaire former Vice President of the United States.

In fact if we truly analyze his lifestyle we could call him a total hypocrite. He was Vice President in a country that uses more energy than any other nation. He has taken trips on private planes for years. He has been driven places in bullet proof limousines that get 5 mpg. Does this really make him a hypocrite? Of course not. The Vice President of the USA is hardly going to drive a tiny hybrid and never fly anywhere, even after retirement.

I've seen his movie, and I believe it has merit. Even if we don't understand the science behind it all, it seems pretty clear that if you dump enough crap into a finite space, you end up with a container with a lot of crap in it. If we keep using up all of the natural resources of the planet and dump tons of bad chemicals into the atmosphere, sooner or later it is going to bite us on the butt.

The fact that this man is being attacked for preaching conservation, is reprehensible. Some people are just too greedy and evil for their own good. This entire debate is just disgusting.
 
  by: ZCT     03/01/2007 07:55 AM     
  @ZCT  
 
I agree, although to be honest, I still think he could do away with all the things he doesn't actually NEED (or a good portion of them) and save even more energy - which would go a long way to supporting not just his statements but his stand as a concerned citizen of Earth.
 
  by: lauriesman     03/01/2007 08:03 AM     
  @ZTC  
 
The problem is, he doesnt practice what he preaches.

You can preach about not clubbing baby seals to death, but if your seen doing it, people are going to turn on you.

He goes to great lengths to tell everyone else they're destroying the world, and must change their life to stop it, yet wont change his.

I'm reminded of Stalin telling his starving populace they must tighten there belts to survive the rough times, then going feasting on caviar.
 
  by: Gogevandire   03/01/2007 09:45 AM     
  @Gogevandire  
 
but he does practice what he preeches. He is carbon neutral, how many people can attast to the same? If every household was carbon neutral there would be a hell of a lot let pollution etc. Being good for the enviroment is not just cutting out everything. Its balance and being on the better side of hte balance if possible. which he does.
 
  by: ssxxxssssss   03/01/2007 09:55 AM     
  is his house and estate 20 times bigger?  
 
Does he or his employees work from his home?

The 'average' household tends to be unoccupied during 8-6. If he has campaign people, maids or meetings there, the average will go up.

Still, 20 times is 20 times, nevermind the function of the building or it's circumstances.
 
  by: redstain   03/01/2007 11:36 AM     
  @MoC (1)  
 
Tsk, tsk…
MoC, you speak about me as if you grew up with me. Or as if we play poker every Friday night. You hardly know me well enough to call my by “CArnold”, yet you say all these begrudging and inflammatory things about me.

“I don't think those criticizing Gore here will answer simply because they're NOT eco-friendly at all…”
And you know this… how? That’s a mighty presumptuous statement presented in a very bold fashion. With some of the things I’ve said within this thread, and within others, you should have known better than to make such a remark; I’ve left little details about myself throughout this site. But, we’ll come back to this in a moment…

“What this really is about is a backdoor way to attack the validity of global warming by attacking a strong proponent of it.”
Once more, your derelict “research” is boomeranging back at you. Above, I posted a link to another SN article that spoke about “An Inconvenient Truth”. If you had read it, you would have seen that I’ve commended the documentary to great length. And that wasn’t the only link where I’ve done so. You’ll also read where I’ve acknowledged Global Warming, but condemned Gore as a viable speaker for such serious issues. It’s not a left vs right issue, as you and your assumptive cronies have insisted. It’s a matter of listening to a hypocrite vs listening to someone that is sincere about the cause.

What has CArnold done to be eco-friendly?
I’ve been raised on doing what many of you look upon as “cutting back” -- when your family doesn’t have deep pockets and there are plenty of mouths to feed, you learn to make a little go a long way. I began recycling aluminum and copper (pulled from burned-down or dilapidated houses) since I was 9. Living in a rural community, there were lots of long country backroads littered with coke and beer cans. What others threw out their window as trash, I would collect and turn into money.

I’ve always loved the rumble of a powerful V8 under my hood. I’ve owned several 5.0 and 5.7 liter monsters. In fact, I still have my ’95 TransAm (315hp, 5.7L V8), but only because I could never recover a fraction of the money I had put into it, if I sold it. Plus, because I rebuilt the engine and modded the heck out of it, this car and I have a close relationship. Within a year of building up this hotrod, it had become unbearable to continue being a daily driver. The taut suspension was pretty harsh over the smallest bumps and the tight clutch would wear your leg out in stop-and-go traffic. I went looking for my next daily driver… and came home with a ’02 Z28 (325hp, 5.7L V8). I left this car in stock condition, so the ride was a bit more supple.
Then a few years back, I seemed to drift away from my “V8-and-heavy-horsepower phase” and traded my Z28 in for a ’03 BMW 330ci (230hp, 3.0L I-6). It was quite a bit underpowered from what I was used to, but it was such a beautiful car with much better fuel economy that I almost didn’t miss all that muscle.
A couple years later, I traded the 330ci in for a more potent (yet equally efficient) Infiniti G35 Coupe (300hp, 3.5L V6). I still own the G35 and I only drive my TransAm a couple of miles a month.
(I mentioned my lineage of vehicles nearly 5 months ago here: http://www.shortnews.com/... )


Do I still recycle? You betcha’. Only I don’t do it for the money, as I did when I was young. Old magazines go into one box, paper and newspaper in another box. Plastic bottles go into a trashbag. I throw away glass bottles, however. I tried keeping them around to recycle, but my garage would reek like old-stale beer before I managed to take them the recycling center. (Beer bottles are really the only recyclable glass that enters this house, unless someone brings over a bottle of wine, or such.)

Home efficiency? My house is barely 2 years old. When it was built, I held back on no expense. Full brick exterior, with the most efficient insulation you can buy within the walls and attic. When I moved in, I bought all new Energy Star certified appliances. My dryer even has a built-in humidimeter – as my clothes get dryer, the heat reduces to save energy and prevent over-drying of clothes. I have a high-capacity washer capable of washing 3 simultaneous loads while only using the same amount of water needed to wash 1 load in a conventional washer. Therefore I’m only using 1/3 the energy and water to wash my clothes than someone with a standard washer/dryer.
 
  by: CArnold     03/01/2007 12:43 PM     
  @MoC (2)  
 
I have triple-paned windows throughout my house. The only exceptions are the skylights and the windows framing my front door (but, they’re all double-paned). My house has LOTS of windows and large skylights in the living room. To help improve energy efficiency (and prevent sun-damage to my furniture), I’ve had all the windows tinted with a platinum-reflective film. Well, all except for the windows in, and overlooking, the foyer. I was told the chandelier wouldn’t look as bright to visitors approaching the house. The film blocks 99% of UV Rays, reflects 75% of solar heat, and helps maintain interior heat/cooling 55% better than untreated windows.
In addition, I have installed energy-efficient blinds throughout my entire home. No, I’m not talking about those heat-conducting metal blinds. Nor am I talking about those inefficient plastic blinds you can buy from Target or Home Depot. These are basswood blinds coated with UV-reflective paint. The paint extends the longevity of the blinds, and helps to deflect solar heat. And because they’re made of basswood, the wood’s natural porous characteristics further help to insulate the windows. Cheap blinds would have cost me around $700. These cost a little under $8000.

I thought of getting Venetian-blinds to cover the sliding-glass door that opened up to my back deck. My designer scoffed at me and told me that Venetian-blinds were a thing of the past. He introduced me to the world of dual-cell honeycomb shades made of a corrugated fabric that looks and feels like silk. It's 70% more efficient at keeping out solar heat than Venetian-blinds, and 80% more efficient at keeping heat/cool inside. It runs along a single track above the door. With blinds, you have to twist and shove. This spring-assisted invention is so light, you can operate it with a pinky.

Do you own a house MoC? If not, I can understand why you didn’t catch my exceptionally low gas bill ($95 p/mo) in a house with 3,800 sq. ft – even when running the fireplace almost every night. This house is extremely efficient and it wasn’t by chance. It was by choice. I forked over nearly $45k extra to make it this way. From the ground up.

Complicating my heating/cooling, however… My living room has 22ft ceilings and my master bedroom has 18 ft. ceilings. I bought a custom ceiling fan for the living room to help distribute the heat/cool throughout, but was told I would need to get scaffolding to install it since my ceilings were so high. Consequently, that ceiling fan is still boxed up. :-(
Thankfully, I settled for one of the fans my builder carried and had the bedroom fan preinstalled by the builders (thank goodness!).

Okay, okay… I already know what you’re going to say, MoC. You’re going to accuse me of making all this up… right? Luckily for you, and your liberal buds, I have a few pics.


Go ahead and click on my name. And click on the new link I provided in my profile.
I quickly threw this together in about half an hour, so it’s only a simple slide show. Once more, I’m not just “saying” something is true… I’m proving it. And proving it “efficiently”. That site was built in half-an-hour from scratch using only one .aspx page. (I’m even green in the virtual world.)

I'd love to show you more pics, but I’ll wait until I get more recent ones made.

Many people will get onto a website and claim to be [insert profession here], or claim to have [insert items/qualities/attributes here].
I don’t have to do that. I live a great life and, in my opinion, I’m living the American Dream. Every morning that I get up, I’m very grateful for all my great fortune and for the path that life has led me down. If I’m ever unhappy about myself, I know I’ve discovered an area that requires improvement and I’ll work at it; you won’t hear of me lying about myself to cover these shortcomings. I’m as genuine as they come.

I hope this answers your question about what I do to help. Now I think you can begin to see why I’m so irked by Gore. Whereas he’s run his mouth about the environment and makes money, I’ve put my money where my mouth is to help the environment. To top it off, he makes at least 20x more money than I do. (Lemme’ guess… that’s what allows him to use 20x more energy than the rest of us, right?)

Question is in YOUR court: What do YOU do, if anything, to contribute. Or are you refusing to be an “armchair general”, again?

And as you can see, MoC, your empty remarks and claims against me have again shown to be baseless. I'm a very unique and complex individual. Don't ever begin to believe that you know who I am. I’ll surprise you every time.
 
  by: CArnold     03/01/2007 12:45 PM     
  @Gogevandire & Lauriesman  
 
Okay so let's label him a hypocrite, ignore his message, and destroy our planet for future generations. That will sure teach that bastard a lesson.
 
  by: ZCT     03/01/2007 02:13 PM     
  This is nothing  
 
to do with global warming, its about gore being a hypocrit.

As for Carnold, did you read his post?

Nice house by the way

Carnold = God
 
  by: Gogevandire   03/01/2007 02:33 PM     
  @ZCT  
 
"Okay so let's label him a hypocrite, ignore his message, and destroy our planet for future generations."

As Meatloaf sang, "2 out of 3 ain't bad."

Hypocrite, I can deal with.
Ignore the message and destroy our planet... I never said nor have I ever promoted such things. Nor would I ever encourage such.
 
  by: CArnold     03/01/2007 02:34 PM     
  do as liberals say, not as they do.  
 
n/t
 
  by: Classy   03/01/2007 07:15 PM     
  @CArnold  
 
I'm not going to read through 2 submissions of your posturing and grandstanding. If you're saying you're eco-friendly, good for you, but if I don't think making this about Gore is worthwhile, why would I want to waste time on you?

My point: "I don't think those criticizing Gore here will answer simply because they're NOT eco-friendly at all; nor do they really care about the cause, just his alleged betrayal of it because it provides them ammo against someone to the left of them." If that's not you, fine. It's a comment on the debate, and it still stands.
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     03/01/2007 07:33 PM     
  @CArnold, p.s.  
 
Before you say, "But you adressed it to me," you'll note that I only accused you of ignoring the difference between Gore's lifestyle and that of the average person. You also ignore Gore's work on Kyoto, and I seem to recall an educational initiative, as well. Anyway, perhaps that clarification will be of some help.
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     03/01/2007 07:39 PM     
  Just wondering..  
 
Does anyone know he big those mansions are? how many people work there, what kind of security system does it have, etc, etc.

It is only fair to call him a hypocrite if the said mansions use more energy than other mansions of equivalent size and serving hands. Otherwise he's just really a rich guy who spends too much.
 
  by: dimeron   03/01/2007 10:09 PM     
  @CArnold  
 
I enjoyed your photo gallery. Especially the very first pic, where there's a PORNO on your living room television!

I hurt myself laughing when I saw that.
 
  by: Volkova_Nova     03/02/2007 01:10 AM     
  @ZCT  
 
Whoa, settle Nelly, didn't I just agree with that very point in my post? Did I say "oh heck he's a hypocrite, ignore his message"?

Geesh, lighten up and settle down, no need for more hostility than already exists in this forsaken world.
 
  by: lauriesman     03/02/2007 01:31 AM     
  @lauriesman  
 
I'm not angry, you've never made me angry ever.

I think this whole thread is moronic though, as is the biased story and news source.

Al Gore uses more energy than the average American. Well duh. This does not make the man a hypocrite. This makes him a vice president. He could just sit back in his mansion and do nothing for the rest of his life, or go quail hunting and shoot his friend in the face. But he is trying to get people to understand what is going on in the world, and make a difference. The fascist right in this country just want to savage him because they hate 'green liberals.'
 
  by: ZCT     03/02/2007 01:41 AM     
  He's not hypocritical, you stupid conservatives  
 
Al Gore consumes a lot of renewable energy.

Al Gore has trees planted when he takes an airplane trip to offset whatever the plane emits.

Al Gore makes additional investments in renewable energy businesses.

Al Gore's purchase of lots of renewable energy and his investments help support the renewable energy industry.

If his home ran on electricity created from burning coal, and he didn't offset that by purchasing green energy and investing in green energy companies, that would be hypocritical. But Gore's energy consumption is neutralized by his investments.

How long will you moronic conservatives willfully ignore these crucial facts?
 
  by: l´anglais     03/02/2007 01:54 AM     
  Gotta love  
 
politicians... Not really though
 
  by: ToofDogger     03/02/2007 06:04 AM     
  Loud mouth politicians!  
 
Who needs em'...
 
  by: zmethod     03/02/2007 09:19 AM     
  SHUT UP  
 
For the love of whatever God or Gods you adhere to, will you ALL - including YOU anglaise - stop with the freaking politically polarized comments.

Just because someone thinks Al Gore is a hypocrite does not make them conservative, republican, Jewish, Hispanic or anything else.

Just stop it already!
 
  by: lauriesman     03/02/2007 09:53 AM     
  @lauriesman  
 
You're right -- thinking Gore is a hypocrite just makes you an idiot.
 
  by: l´anglais     03/02/2007 06:42 PM     
  @Volka  
 
Heh...

Good eyes, but bad call.

If you look on the shelf sitting next to the television, you'll see my laptop (look for the blue glow), a Dell XPS. It was connected to the television and playing music videos from my iTunes. It was paused on Kanye West's "Gold Digger" video. If you watch this video, you'll see the exact scene where this beautiful woman models for the camera and the words, "Pre-Nupt" appear next to her.

I take it you're not very keen of hip-hop?
 
  by: CArnold     03/02/2007 07:26 PM     
  @All  
 
My apoligies in advance, but i don't have time to read all the comments thus far... BUT, how much energy does his house use per sq. ft. vs. the average americans house? is his house above or below par? JUST because his house uses a lot of energy doesn't mean that it over uses energy.
 
  by: The Rambo   03/02/2007 08:47 PM     
  @CArnold  
 
Haha, my mistake.

No, I'm not the world's greatest hip-hop fan. But Kanye West is just fine in my book for saying, "George Bush doesn't care about black people" on live national television. That took some stones!
 
  by: Volkova_Nova     03/02/2007 08:58 PM     
  Not really  
 
The hypocrite claims do have some basis.

Let's say due to ferocious overspending in the holiday season your family is thousands of dollars in debt. Mum and dad bring everyone into the dining room for the family discussion and ask that each of you do their bit to help.

Now, you carefully assess your spending, and balance it so that you're spending the same amount as you earn, thereby balancing your personal budget and avoiding adding to the families woes. However, you aren't actually making the situation any better - your family is still thousands of dollars in debt - you just aren't making it particularly worse.

The world needs a positive change, if everyone merely balances their usage of fossil fuels et al, its not going to get any better.

In other words, what he is doing is great - but to many, it's not enough from a man who extorts everyone over global warming issues.

Some might say that it's like a wealthy Christian telling everyone to give more, but only doing the bare minimum required to balance their own spending on themselves with gifts to charity.
 
  by: lauriesman     03/02/2007 09:25 PM     
  People who get mad about hypocrisy  
 
are people who can't think for themselves. Disagree with his behaviour if you want but that isn't a ground for dismissing his points.
 
  by: Fratley   03/02/2007 10:12 PM     
  @lauriesman  
 
I just don't buy those examples for a second. The reality of living in America is that if you want to be President or Vice President you need to be rich. Poor people simply cannot score enough bribes from corporations to be elected here, it's that simple.

So to expect a former vice president to live in a Energy Star certified single wide and drive a bio diesel hybrid is just ridiculous.

You also have to consider that a politician as senior as Al Gore once was has to have security 24/7. In America, there are more guns than people. In this kind of gun culture he has to be protected, and that kind of protection costs money and uses up energy.

Gore lives in a mansion, and why should anyone begrudge him that? He worked hard for his money and lived almost the American dream of almost becoming President of the USA. He probably has various staff that live on his estate, and their energy costs are being included in this nonsense figure that is being banded around. I'd find it hard to believe that Al Gore lives there himself and still burns through $30,000 a year in energy consumption.

Comparing his energy use to the 'average American household' is nothing more than a political attack, Swift Boat style. To even argue any credence to this story is beyond idiotic.

Now if Al Gore went out and purchased a Hummer Limo that ran on dead babies, CFC, and plutonium coated coal, then sure, the guy would be a hypocrite. But if we are going to continue this nonsensical argument we should consider that Dick Cheney has a mansion he lives in that costs $186,000 per year to run. He even convinced the government that the tax payer should cover this for him since he uses the home for official engagements.

But it's a long and silly slippery slope and it makes no sense to even be discussing this. It was a Swift Boat attack, end of story. I for one am proud to be using low energy bulbs, drive a low emissions vehicle, and I take my hat off to Al Gore for his efforts in this area.

I am also pretty convinced that our country would be in a lot better shape today if Gore had not been cheated out of his 2000 election victory.
 
  by: ZCT     03/03/2007 12:35 AM     
  @ZCT  
 
Why should anyone begrudge him that? It's not about balancing the budget, the fact is he's still consuming more fossil fuels and carbon allocation than other people, yet he is telling THEM they need to cut down on their usage. It doesn't matter what he is or isn't entitled to as a result of being rich, or a politician (neither of which holds water), it's a simple disparity equation.

Would Al Gore have made a better president, definitely. Was he cheated out of his victory? Almost certainly. Are there far worse 'criminals' in the political system that get away with far more heinous abuses of power? Without a doubt. That doesn't change the fact that he IS still using more fossil fuels and carbon debt allowance than the very people he is telling need to cut down.

For the record, I don't own a car, I use public transport exclusively. I use low energy bulbs, and am very energy conscious.
 
  by: lauriesman     03/03/2007 12:58 AM     
  @laurisman  
 
"For the record, I don't own a car, I use public transport exclusively. I use low energy bulbs, and am very energy conscious."

- That's great. You are a normal citizen. If Al Gore lived in a normal (energy saving) house with a normal (hybrid) car, no staff and no security, and used public transport, he would be a target for terror and crazy people. In America when you are a retired Vice President you cannot just live that normal life you are talking about. This is what makes this argument so stupid.
 
  by: ZCT     03/03/2007 03:13 AM     
  National Average  
 
I don't know what the national average is for gas bills, but mine was $220 last month. Some of you may not know, but wind and snow contribute to higher bills... maybe the averages are skewed. For instance, the south is WARMER than the north.. Cold weather and high heating costs plague the northern states. This by no means makes me a democrat... I am just saing that polls are not reliable sources of information
 
  by: rakulus   03/03/2007 07:39 AM     
  Hello!  
 
Hi all. It’s been a couple of day since I’ve been able to fully rejoin this conversation. Work has been hectic, as usual. I did manage to squeeze 15 mins out of my day to read a few of the posts… and quell rumors of “porn” on my TV. Heh!

Anyways, onto meatier topics. And I’m going to take it from the top…

@Goge
Nice to hear from you again. Sorry I didn’t respond earlier. I saw your post only after I posted my last one to ZCT. Thanks for the compliments! :-) My house thanks you and you are more than welcome to stay in it if you ever visit the US. Nashville is guaranteed to have just as many bars (pubs) within walking distance from each other as London. :-)

@MoC
“If that's not you, fine. It's a comment on the debate, and it still stands.” (In re to an earlier comment that read…)
“I don't think those criticizing Gore here will answer simply because they're NOT eco-friendly at all; nor do they really care about the cause, just his alleged betrayal of it because it provides them ammo against someone to the left of them.”
Okay. You didn’t specifically throw this at me…. Instead, you threw it at EVERYONE criticizing Gore. I would certainly fit within that criterion. I don’t need to say anymore.

“I'm not going to read through 2 submissions of your posturing and grandstanding.”
But you did read it. And you did look at my photo gallery. :-)
You always say something similar to this in a, “*Yawn* I don’t have time for this crap…”-kind-of-demeanor when I’ve stuffed your last post back at you. Perhaps you should let up on your presumptiveness and personal attacks on others… ya’ think?

“Posturing and grandstanding”?
Is that what you call it when someone calls you on your allegations and makes you a fool for suggesting them in the first place? I’m grandstanding because I don’t talk about collecting rainwater and hanging clothes on a line? Where I live, neither is acceptable. I live in a community where you are member of a Homeowners Association. Lots of rules and stipulations of what you can and can’t do in regards to the curb-appeal of your own property.
When I was growing up, my mother ALWAYS hung the clothes on a line when she thought it was warm enough. Like I said, I live 5 mins from Belle Meade and a lot of the people here are snooty and consider a clothesline unsightly and beneath them. Go figure…

“The fact that people like CArnold would like to ignore is that Gore's lifestyle is NOT that of the average citizen.”
My lifestyle is not that of the average citizen, either. But does “being richer than the average citizen” give me (or anyone else) the right to preach to those less fortunate to “do without” while I do what I damn well please? (I’d love to hear your answer to this one, by the way.)
I’m not going to delve any further into this question… just yet. I’m reserving more specifics for another person on this thread…

“You also ignore Gore's work on Kyoto…”
Yeah. And what do you know of Kyoto? NOTHING.
If you’re so knowledgeable on this topic, you wouldn’t have brought it up. Why did we pull out of it? ;-)
Again, your dereliction to investigate the facts amazes me. Get with it, MoC. You may have been able to run this charade on others before I arrived… but you’re not going to BS me you’re your nonsense.
 
  by: CArnold     03/03/2007 01:01 PM     
  @Gore supporters…  
 
“Does anyone know how big those mansions are?”
Great question, to those who have asked it.

Belle Meade isn’t your typical suburb. The houses are not “cookie cutter”, by any means. All the houses differ in architecture, style, size, color, etc, etc.
But here is an aerial view of Gore’s house. http://maps.live.com/...

His house is a little over 10,000 sq. ft.
So, let’s compare for a sec…

My house: 3,800 sq. ft.
His House: For argument’s sake, let’s be generous and put his square footage @ 12,000 (are the liberals appeased with my generosity? The additional padding of square footage offers Gore more breathing room…) That makes his house 3.15x bigger than mine (at the exaggerated size I’ve given him).

Average monthly fuel bill:
Mine: $95
His: $1,080

Average electricity usage:
Mine*: 1011 KwH
His: 16,200 KwH

* (This is not an average. This is based on my bill reading from 1/05/07 – 2/05/07, only)

Do the math… Let’s be REALLY generous about the size of his house. Let’s assume its five-times (vs 3.15) the size of mine. Do those numbers even come close to 5 of my houses? Let’s be even more generous. Since I haven’t kept all my electricity bills for the past year and cannot give an accurate average, let’s suppose that my average is 2,000 KwH. This is really stretching it, but let’s go with that figure for the Gore-supporters’ sake. Does is still add up??

Just for your viewing pleasure, I’m going to scan my latest electrical bill for Feb. and place it in my slide-show, tomorrow. You naysayers can argue over that.
Of course, I will black-out my last name, account number, address and zip-code, but you’ll still see that it comes from NES (Nashville Electric Service). And, again, I emphasize that I only live 5 minutes from Belle Meade, so geographic and economical differences are not a factor. We’re both in Nashville.

Let’s also consider MoC’s and ZCT’s argument for a minute:

He’s a semi-powerful man, and a rich one at that. Therefore, he should be allowed to consume MUCH more energy than your typical American.

Did I grab the essence of your argument? This statement is soooo amazing. Why?

Heh, heh, heh…. When was the last time you heard a liberal or Democrat saying, “If a person is rich and powerful, he is entitled to more privileges and breaks than the average American.” ?

See the irony? If someone were to get on a podium and say this without any inference to a particular person, they would be accused of being “a stinkin’ Republican who only looks out for the rich and sticks it to the poor”

The irony of this is extremely overwhelming. If Gore was John Doe, or even George Bush, you wouldn’t be saying such things.

Speaking of George Bush…
 
  by: CArnold     03/03/2007 01:04 PM     
  In Bush we trust...  
 
To all of you that try to defend Gore so by saying, “He’s a rich guy! He’s an ex-Vice President! He deserves to live like that!”, I have but one word for you:

Idiots.

These are the same scallion-brained numb-skulls that try to accuse me and others of being politically biased.

You want political bias? You want to make this a political debate? Read on…

We all know that Gore is an energy glutton.
Now compare this to President Bush's comparatively modest home in Crawford, Texas, which is a model of environmental friendliness:

“The 4,000-square-foot house is a model of environmental rectitude.
Geothermal heat pumps located in a central closet circulate water through pipes buried 300 feet deep in the ground where the temperature is a constant 67 degrees; the water heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. Systems such as the one in this "eco-friendly" dwelling use about 25% of the electricity that traditional heating and cooling systems utilize.
A 25,000-gallon underground cistern collects rainwater gathered from roof runs; wastewater from sinks, toilets and showers goes into underground purifying tanks and is also funneled into the cistern. The water from the cistern is used to irrigate the landscaping surrounding the four-bedroom home. Plants and flowers native to the high prairie area blend the structure into the surrounding ecosystem.
No, this is not the home of some eccentrically wealthy eco-freak trying to shame his fellow citizens into following the pristineness of his self-righteous example. And no, it is not the wilderness retreat of the Sierra Club or the Natural Resources Defense Council, a haven where tree-huggers plot political strategy.
This is President George W. Bush's "Texas White House" outside the small town of Crawford."

Keep in mind that this piece by Rob Sullivan was first published in the Chicago Tribune in 2001, so the fact that President Bush's home was ecology friendly was not unknown in the media. They just chose to ignore it while they heaped praise on Gore.
And take a look at this piece from TreeHugger (http://www.treehugger.com/... :

“Only your dispassionate Canadian correspondent could write this without colour or favour, but is it possible that George Bush is a secret Green? Evidently his Crawford Winter White House has 25,000 gallons of rainwater storage, gray water collection from sinks and showers for irrigation, passive solar, geothermal heating and cooling. "By marketplace standards, the house is startlingly small," says David Heymann, the architect of the 4,000-square-foot home. "Clients of similar ilk are building 16-to-20,000-square-foot houses." Furthermore for thermal mass the walls are clad in "discards of a local stone called Leuders limestone, which is quarried in the area. The 12-to-18-inch-thick stone has a mix of colors on the top and bottom, with a cream- colored center that most people want. "They cut the top and bottom of it off because nobody really wants it," Heymann says. "So we bought all this throwaway stone. It's fabulous. It's got great color and it is relatively inexpensive." Hmm, back to that vote about the Greenest President?”

George Bush lives environmentalism whereas Al Gore only gives it lip service, yet he's is hailed as God's greatest gift to the environment. Meanwhile, he greedily consumes far more energy than the average American who, by the way, would be footing the bill for Kyoto if we hadn't pull out of it.
Every single one of those actors at the Oscars the other night who was applauding Al Gore and nodding his or her head in agreement when Gore said global warming is a moral issue not a political one, needs to take lessons on how to be eco-friendly from President Bush. Next time liberals smugly announce that they drive Priuses, laugh in their faces.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Gore.
 
  by: CArnold     03/03/2007 01:07 PM     
  @CArnold  
 
Give it a rest. Not a single rebuttal you attempted stands without your own colorful spin. No, I did not read your previous tripe, nor did I look at your pictures. Do you just assume I can't resist reading about you, because I said nothing to the effect that I did. I just had to stomach the first few lines to get the point - what a waste of time for you.

I'll go no further into your little ego-drama. You're turning yet another topic into "Let's all debate about CArnold time." Yes, I do turn my back on that tiresome crap whenever you pull it, though I'm sure this Lone Conservative routine is great fun for you.

Regarding Gore, I provided my $.02. He pumped Kyoto during his tenure as VP, and to date, we've not withdrawn from it, though we've not ratified it after the Byrd-Hagel Resolution declared it did not adequately deal with developing nations. I don't know what you thought you were getting at there, but Gore was active in that climate-change work then, and sputtering about, "Well, well, he didn't do enough" does not make claims that he did nothing any more true.
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     03/03/2007 03:02 PM     
  @Carnold  
 
I've just read some of your posts, and some of the comments you've made. You used a very apt word in one of these posts, 'idiot.'

It's a word that is pretty well chosen because to believe some of the things you are writing, you'd have to be one.

It's clear this post is a waste of time however because you've already shown yourself to be a proud Fox News watching right winger that doesn't give a crap about anyone but themselves.

Your argument about how much energy you use versus Al Gore is about as stupid as any I've seen. You can't just scale your bill up as you did, because as you get into mansion sized homes with a team of staff and employees it is practically a commercial/business location anyway. Also the rise in heating and cooling costs is exponential, not linear as you seem to suggest.

You are buying into the monumentally stupid argument that a mansion with 24/7 security guards and other staff can be compared in any way to a normal home. Even that nice home (and dirty cars) you so proudly show off in your profile.

Your other argument that only former Republican Presidents and VPs should live in a big house, have a staff and security, is just asinine. People like this will need security for the rest of their lives in gun loving America. This costs money and energy. Such is the price of serving a country. Just because Democrats are slightly more likely to help low income people doesn't mean they have to become poor so as not to be considered hypocrites.

People like you don't think logically about politics. You support your political team like you do a football team. You get your opinions spoon fed to you by Fox News, and when an issue arises you are almost conditioned to think a certain way rather than actually consider the merits of a specific case.

In this instance Al Gore has done something very useful during his retirement and helped open people eyes. Attacking him is nothing more than a politically motivated Swift Boat attack. It is sad that people like you lack the insight to see through such transparent developments.
 
  by: ZCT     03/03/2007 04:38 PM     
  @Carnold  
 
I remember the the thoroughly disgusting, personage of GHW Bush calling Mr Gore a 'whacko', and 'ozone man'back in 1992 based on Gores comments on reports compiled on data collected throughout the 1980's. Your insinuation that his focus on the environment is recent and your comparisons of your dwellings are completely ludicrous.
Now before you begin drooling, and rapaciously embarking on another of your "studies"...I will tell you I am not a democrat or ever voted fore Mr Gore. I have issues with the man, but this is not one of them. I think the 1996 Telecommunications bill is the kinard, Americans should be aware of. It was crafted by mostly REPUBLICAN operatives, and allowed monopolistic entities the stranglehold on the media and the ability to shape and mold minds like yours...."cookie cutter" I believe is a term used..One should use in any calculation what energy IS USED FOR, not merely tabulate usage. For example, the wattage used to power let's say 6 PC's in one building that does research, compiles data, pictures, reports, video footage and related files to study and understand cause and effect of environmental impact of many contributing factors...then we compare it to the wattage used to power the same array of 6 PCs in another building that enriches Haliburton, The Carlyle Group, Bechtel, Exxon Mobil, executes insider trading of healthcare stocks, initiates no bid contracts with a magnitude of graft that is unprecedented, runs a law database who's sole focus is to find loopholes in our Constitution, and craft stealth legislation unreported to the populous, launder money for arms dealers, and build a 'voter vault' to advance one sided agendas.......

The question now is... who is WASTING the energy?

@ZCT...thank you for typing what I was thinking.. and saving the energy to do so!
 
  by: machiavelli     03/03/2007 05:51 PM     
  @ZCT  
 
“You can't just scale your bill up as you did, because as you get into mansion sized homes with a team of staff and employees it is practically a commercial/business location anyway.” … “You are buying into the monumentally stupid argument that a mansion with 24/7 security guards and other staff can be compared in any way to a normal home.”

First off… where did you read that Gore’s home has a staff of employees? In all the rebuttals I’ve read coming from the Gore camp, I’ve never read or heard such an explanation used to extenuate or mitigate his energy use. Around here, the majority of those that use maid service have the maid(s) come in once a day to once a week. They do their thing and leave. They don’t take up residence at any particular client’s home. Although the houses around here are big, they’re not the size that would justify needing 24/7 attention.
Does Gore sit around the house messing things up and requires a team of maids to constantly follow him like a little boy and clean up after him? He’s got a 20-room (not 20-bedroom) home with 4 bathrooms. It’s not like he’s living in Aaron Spelling’s 123-room home in L.A. that requires constant attention.
You’re assuming, again.
Security? You make it sound like he’s got half of the National Guard bunkered inside his home.
Do you know the numbers? 1? 10? 100? How can you possibly give this as a reason for his usage, with any degree of certainty? And just what exactly does house staff and security do to jack up gas and electricity like that? Got an answer for that one, too?


“Also the rise in heating and cooling costs is exponential, not linear as you seem to suggest.”

Gore and I both use the same electrical and gas service. Any uniform rise in gas or electrical rates would be applied to the both of us. My bill would reflect the same increase, proportionately.
We live 5 to 15mins away from each other. Therefore, any change in weather that that he experiences at home is also experienced at mine. It’s not like comparing a home in Florida vs a home in Alaska.
What’s your point?


“In this instance Al Gore has done something very useful during his retirement and helped open people eyes.”

I can accept this statement… with a good dose of salt. As I’ve said, the video he’s appeared in and some of the work he’s done to bring awareness to this issue are great. Not debating that. But when you don’t practice what you preach… the dictionary defines a hypocrite as someone who “pretends to be better than he really is or to be pious, virtuous without really being so.” A hypocrite is someone who says one thing and does the opposite. Example? Gore.
 
  by: CArnold     03/03/2007 09:22 PM     
  @ CArnold  
 
Of course the timely attack on Mr Gore omits the following:
Electric bills obtained by The Tennessean, however, showed that Gore is paying a premium on his bills to be part of the “green power” program. Gore purchased 108 blocks of “green power” for at least each of the last three months, according to a summary of bills from Nashville Electric Service.
That’s a total of $432 a month spent to pay extra for solar or other renewable energy sources.
 
  by: machiavelli     03/03/2007 09:46 PM     
  @CArnold  
 
Here is a response to the Swift Boat attack on Gore. It's cut and paste from Wikipedia, so you can follow the link at the bottom for the sources:

Response

There have been a number of responses to this claim. TIME stated that the Tennessee Center for Policy Research claimed to have gotten "its figures from Nashville Electric Service. But company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never gave it any information." [22] TIME further quoted Kalee Kreider, a spokesperson for Gore, as saying that the source of the energy is green energy.[22] WKRN-TV reported that the Gore family obtains their power from the Nashville Electric Service's "renewable energy initiative", The Green Power Switch program [23] which depends upon "wind, solar, and methane gas." [24] The Detroit Free Press further noted that "Gore purchased 108 blocks of 'green power' for each of the past three months, according to a summary of the bills. That’s a total of $432 a month Gore paid extra for solar or other renewable energy sources.The green power Gore purchased is equivalent to recycling 2.48 million aluminum cans or 286,092 pounds of newspaper, according to comparison figures on NES’s Web site." [21] The figure of 108 blocks of green power per month corresponds[23] to 16,200 kilowatt-hours of electricity per month, significantly lower than the figure of 22,619 kilowatt-hours cited by the Tennessee Center for Policy Research.

Keith Olbermann at MSNBC reported that the Gore home includes offices for both Gore and his wife and 'special security measures' making it unrepresentative of what the average US home consumes. Additionally, the green power purchased by the Gores increased the cost of their electricity by "$5,893, more than 50 percent, in order to minimize carbon pollution."[25]

Kreider also suggested in TIME that the attacks on Gore's energy use were political in nature and stated: "Sometimes when people don't like the message, in this case that global warming is real, it's convenient to attack the messenger." [22]

According to the BBC, a former Gore aide also said he suspected a campaign by Mr Gore's political opponents:
“ Considering that [Gore] spends an overwhelming majority of his time advocating on behalf of and trying to affect change on this issue, it's not surprising that people who have a vested interest in protecting the status quo would go after him.[26]


http://en.wikipedia.org/...
 
  by: ZCT     03/03/2007 09:54 PM     
  I brought this up...  
 
in a previous post titled, "Only 3 months?"

This program has been around for years. Periodically, brochures are sent with our electric bill talking about the program and its environmental benefits.
Its been around for years, yet Gore signed up only 3 months ago.

I suppose the term, "Better late than never", could be applied here. It's just amazing to see such a mouthpiece for the environment jump on the bandwagon so late.
 
  by: CArnold     03/03/2007 09:57 PM     
  @Carnold  
 
“Gore and I both use the same electrical and gas service. Any uniform rise in gas or electrical rates would be applied to the both of us. My bill would reflect the same increase, proportionately.”

- To clarify what I said; if someone has a home twice the size of another home, it does not follow that their energy bill will be twice as much. The Wikipedia stuff I posted explains that there are two offices being run there in addition to a full time mansion. We don’t know what the ‘security measures’ are but I am sure they would involve some armed people, closed circuit TV and plenty of cameras and flood lights. Let’s face it, even if Al Gore just had a big house and left every single electrical appliance on all the time and kept all his windows open he would have a hard time spending $30,000 per year. I think two things are happening hear. One, is the amount is bogus, and in fact the amount is being disputed by the very source the article claims to have used. Second, we don’t know all the facts. Certainly you claiming in your arrogant way that he lives just down the road from you and his slightly bigger house shouldn’t need that much energy is just ridiculous.

What is sad is that people like you are so desperate to attack people with a different view point to you (the opposition to the political ‘team’ you support), that you will believe anything. If you read some article that Al Gore ran his home by burning live puppies you’d probably believe that too.
 
  by: ZCT     03/03/2007 10:07 PM     
  @CArnold  
 
You may also want to factor in that according to the State of Tennessee Belle Meade average house age is far in excess of the state average...including many well over a 100 years old. Maybe you and your"designer" had modern and efficient materials and improved construction techniques, but after living in a Century home myself for several years..trust me, you need to do more than put shrink wrap on the windows. To be completely logical in considering all factors, you need more data than a snooping conservative groups
"evidence of hypocrisy". Ms Rice used to be with Exxon Mobil right?... and they still to this day have not made good on damages from the Valdez. Did Al not sign your autograph book?...Were you omitted from the Belle Meade 'A' list? Surely you could find a more appropriate target for your vitriol. Do you own a copy of Catcher in the Rye?
 
  by: machiavelli     03/03/2007 10:12 PM     
  @ZCT  
 
I addressed the Green Power Switch program. More recently in my above post to machiavelli.
Glad he’s finally gotten on board, but what the heck took him so long? I would have thought someone with his “passion” for the environment would have been one of the first to sign up.

“Gore home includes offices for both Gore and his wife and 'special security measures' making it unrepresentative of what the average US home consumes.”
I’ve got a home office, as well, and it gets more than its fair share of use. I’ve got a security system, but I doubt it’s as elaborate as the Gore’s security system. And I also doubt their security system and additional office are primary contributors to his exceptionally high power usage.

“The figure of 108 blocks of green power per month corresponds[23] to 16,200 kilowatt-hours of electricity per month, significantly lower than the figure of 22,619 kilowatt-hours cited by the Tennessee Center for Policy Research.”
My link to our local news site says the same. In my comparison between his bill and mine, I also used the 16,200KwH figure.

If I can live comfortably with considerably less, perhaps he needs to make his home more energy efficient. And extra home-office (compared to my 1) and 'special security measures' taken into consideration, I still don’t see how a home his size uses so much energy.
 
  by: CArnold     03/03/2007 10:13 PM     
  @Carnold  
 
"If I can live comfortably with considerably less, perhaps he needs to make his home more energy efficient. And extra home-office (compared to my 1) and 'special security measures' taken into consideration, I still don’t see how a home his size uses so much energy."

- Until you stop stupidly comparing your existence to a former Vice President, this conversation is a complete waste of time. Your circumstances are nothing like his, your home is different, your life style is different, the only similarity you share is you both live in the same State.

You have also conveniently ignored the fact that the power company has denied ever releasing this information. So we are debating a Swift Boat attack based on a lie. After all if you called the power company in your area claiming to be a reporter, do you think they would reveal this kind of information about Al Gore's home? Of course not.

This conversation is a total waste of time. All you are doing is covering the same ground over and over again and refusing to acknowledge that your example (of yourself) is absurd and ridiculous.

Until all the facts are reported in a fair and balanced way, there is nothing more to say on this issue.
 
  by: ZCT     03/03/2007 10:20 PM     
  @ZCT  
 
"You have also conveniently ignored the fact that the power company has denied ever releasing this information."

Please try to keep up with the conversation.

In an earlier post:

"Actually, our local news has obtained a copy of his electrical bill. As I mentioned, this has been in the local news here, before. It was very coincidental that they were running the story again, tonight, as I was typing my first post (that’s where I got the figures for his gas bill). They’ve obtained his electrical bills since January 2006.

Check out their article, here:
http://www.wztv.com/... "

The AP has also received copies of his bill.

http://www.dailypress.com/...
 
  by: CArnold     03/04/2007 01:35 PM     
  @Carnold  
 
The first link you sent doesn't work. The second states:

"The group said that Gore used nearly 221,000 kilowatt hours last year and that his average monthly electric bill was $1,359. Johnson said his group got its figures from Nashville Electric Service.

But company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never gave it any information."
 
  by: ZCT     03/04/2007 04:03 PM     
  This is a non issue  
 
How was the ozone saved? by individuals changing? No the government waking up and making businesses make changes. compare gore's house to a factory, any factory, then tell me the energy used and wasted!
 
  by: MmmMan     03/06/2007 11:22 PM     
  @all you people  
 
He needs that power to run the internet, sheesh.
 
  by: fballer23   03/06/2007 11:37 PM     
 
 
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