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Nick Diaz Tests Positive for Marijuana

 

Nick Diaz failed a drug test he was required to take before fighting Takanori Gomi at Pride 33. The fight went on as scheduled because the drug test results are not ready until several days after the match up. He tested positive for marijuana.

Diaz took the drug test before the fight, as is required by the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC). He then went on to beat Gomi, who is ranked the #1 lightweight Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) fighter in the world.

The fight result may be changed to a no contest, depending on the the outcome of a hearing. According to NSAC Executive Director Keith Kizer, Marijuana slows reflexes and deadens pain, which can endanger the fighter and create an unfair fight.

 
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  how...  
 
would that boost his performance in any way?!
 
  by: dook   03/07/2007 01:29 AM     
  I don't think it does  
 
I really don't think it does boost performance in any way...however you are altering what would be considered a "fair" fight, regardless of if it's in the best interests of the user or not. Basically, whether it's an advantage or not, it could potentially change the outcome of the match <yes, I realise a lot of things could do this, too>, and hence is against the rules.

What I find quite silly is the commission not pushing for test results BEFORE the match has actually taken place...
 
  by: darkshanker   03/07/2007 02:35 AM     
  @dook  
 
One way it would boost performance is that it deadens pain, as the article states.
If that statement is true(?), then that would maybe help by fighter's ability to withstand hits.
Or maybe hurt by the fighter not being able to correctly judge if it time to submit to an bone-shattering arm bar.
 
  by: djdanx     03/07/2007 03:03 AM     
  @darkshanker  
 
I agree with what you said about it changing the outcome of the match.

It is a known thing to all beforehand that it is not allowed to be in your system, along with a multitude of other drugs.

Considering that it stays in your system about 30 days, the fighter should be smart enough to stay clean 6-8 weeks before a fight.

And the commission should hopefully realize that a positive result does not mean he was high during the match. He could have had it a month earlier and the trace chemicals would still be in his system.

The question I have is whether this is a false positive. I hope for Diaz's sake it is.

He was hust in the fight and will be out for a 6-month medical suspension (normal procedure). However, if the commission decides to, they can make his punishment run after the medical suspension. That would suck for him.
 
  by: djdanx     03/07/2007 03:12 AM     
  whoopshust = hurt  
 
n/t
 
  by: djdanx     03/07/2007 03:13 AM     
  whoopshust = hurt = whoops! hust = hurt  
 
n/t again
 
  by: djdanx     03/07/2007 03:14 AM     
  @djdanx  
 
I think it could deaden pain while high, but i seriously doubt he did it while high...and THG stays in your system for a while....so he could have gotten high a month ago and it still shows up.
If a fighter went high to a fight they would be at a severe disadvantage, it slow your reflexes so much more.
 
  by: sp00ky187   03/07/2007 05:15 AM     
  don't try to rationalize  
 
it by considering the performance enhancing aspects of it. The fact is that it is an illegal drug and under rules and regulations you are not allowed to perform in this sport with the presence of an illegal substance in your body. That is the point and that is why he may be in a world of shit.
 
  by: kuhl   03/07/2007 07:14 AM     
  @Kuhl  
 
Marijuana is a Semi-Legal Drug, it has been re-classified as a Schedual II drug, which means it has definite medical benefits. Now it might (and should) be illegal to use it before or during a fight. But since it stay in your body for up to a week, for a occational user and a month or even longer for a continuous user, there is no way to actually tell when the THC was ingested. ALL of the effects of THC are short-term and completely temporary (Lasting 12 hours or less) and the immediate effects disipate within hours. Yes it is stupid to use THC and BOX, just as it is stupid to drink alcohol and drive. However there are NO reported accidents that name Marijuana as the cause such as ther are with alcohol. Drunk drivers Kill people, high people just miss their exits.
 
  by: cyphercrash   03/07/2007 12:10 PM     
  P.S.  
 
I would not blame a boxer AT ALL for forgoing the standard pharmacutical pain treatments (which have, sometimes deadly and ALL the time addictive, side effects) in leiu of smoking a joint after a match, and I know I would be feeling much better than the pain killers and muscle relaxants combined.
 
  by: cyphercrash   03/07/2007 12:16 PM     
  LOL!  
 
Deaden pain eh? One punch to the face and he says, "Hey, that didn't hurt at all, but for some reason I'm hungry again." I agree that he should not be boxing while high, the effects are short term so if he smoked a day ago the effects are gone but the THC remains. I think it would be incredibly stupid to box while high, however I think it's even more embarassing to be beaten by a boxer who is high. "HA HA, I was stoned and I still whooped yo' a$$!"
 
  by: raavenhawk   03/07/2007 03:01 PM     
  Marijuana will boost performance...  
 
...if there are cookies at the end of the finish line. SNAP!
 
  by: DarkWave     03/07/2007 08:45 PM     
  @spok187  
 
i swear to god its thc not thg
 
  by: maryjane <5   03/07/2007 08:51 PM     
  dosent even matter  
 
he just got saved nick diaz is a f*cking sh*t fighter gomi would just knock him out he should be thanking the commision
 
  by: maryjane <5   03/07/2007 08:58 PM     
  Good for Diaz!  
 
Marijuana doesn't slow you down that much if you are tuned into what you are doing.... or you might be thinking about pizza.
 
  by: theironboard     03/07/2007 10:35 PM     
  @maryjane <5  
 
I guess you did not read the article. Nick Diaz beat Takanori Gomi. Diaz did sustain some orbital bone (eye socket) damage, but he beat Gomi with a gogoplata choke. I did not see the match, but a gogoplata is not a common or easy way to win. Nick Diaz may be an a-hole, but he is a good fighter and a great striker. Don't be a hater... unless of course you can whoop his butt (yea, right).
 
  by: djdanx     03/08/2007 12:07 AM     
  @maryjane <5  
 
yep it is thc, my typo :o

@theironboard it sure doesn't slow down eating, thats one thing that may be an exception!
 
  by: sp00ky187   03/08/2007 01:47 PM     
  @kuhl  
 
You say don't think about the performance enhancing of it, but that is what the article is implying the officals ARE thinking about.

They are thinking of changing the results of this fight to no contest, if they decide that it does ENHANCE his chances of winning in a fight.

Thing is, it is very unlikely he was high while fighting, and having THC which they test for doesn't mean he was high at the time of the fight. ( he could have gotten high weeks before the fight)

So him fighting this decision, and to push for no change in the fight results may very well be a good thing, because it doesn't enhance performance.

The only problem is that if the commision decides to have no punishment, then the Anti-Drug people or the Gov't could say they're promoting Marijuana usage, <sarcasm > which is so evil and is a gateway to drugs much harsher <sarcasm >
So he will most likely keep his record with a suspension, which he needs to time to heal his eye anyways.
 
  by: sp00ky187   03/08/2007 02:09 PM     
  @spooky, kuhl  
 
The way I read the article, the commission feels it may enhance or detract from the fighter's performance. On one hand it MAY help, but it also MAY get the fighter hurt, and give an unfair advantage to his opponent.

The reason it is banned is because it can change the outcome of a fight one way or another, and they are trying to keep it as fair to both fighters as possible.

Personally, I don't think it should be banned. Itis all natural, right? ;P
 
  by: djdanx     03/08/2007 07:23 PM     
  wow alright  
 
i take my words back i just dont really like diaz and no i coudnt whoop hes ass im 15 but by 25 yes i could im right now 7-0 in my boxing tournys
 
  by: maryjane <5   03/08/2007 08:09 PM     
  well...  
 
MMA > Boxing
 
  by: erasedgod   03/08/2007 08:49 PM     
  @djdanx  
 
You could argue it would deaden pain, but you are then saying he was high at the time of the fight. No fighter would get high before the fight, and how much weed slows you down is a lot worse than deadening pain.
Besides what fighters lose because of pain? , fighers lose knock out, submission, and wounds that bleed or are severe.

But really, im not sure if you have ever tried marijuana, but its ridiculous to say it would give you and advantage....it slows down your relexes so much.
 
  by: sp00ky187   03/08/2007 08:59 PM     
  @maryjane <5  
 
I know what you mean about disliking Diaz; a lot of people don't like him because he's got a big mouth, but he usually backs it up.

Nice to hear you are 7-0. Keep it up!

But remember, Diaz is a MMA, not a boxer. So even when you reach 25, you would have a tough time beating him.

Randy Couture is 43 and he just beat Tim Sylvia (6'8", 265lbs, and 31yo). When it comes to MMA, age and size take a back seat to experience and technique.

Now if it was a boxing match, you would have a much better chance.

Keep on improving and who knows. Maybe someday the marquee will read:

"Maryjane <5 versus Nick Diaz for the light heavyweight championship of the world" ;P
 
  by: djdanx     03/08/2007 11:42 PM     
  @spooky  
 
You said: "You could argue it would deaden pain..."

I am not arguing that it deadens pain. I am just stating what the commission said.

Although, it is used medically for its pain-relieving qualities.

you said: "No fighter would get high before the fight..."

I am not saying that he was high at the time of the fight. Since the drug stays in your system for about a month, he could have done it weeks before and still tested positive.

However, (this is weird timing) I was talking to a colleague just before I read you post. He is a BJJ practitioner, so I mentioned that Diaz tested positive. He told me that a lot of BJJ fighters use it because it helps your mind to be inventive and focus. So it seems there are some who would partake before a match.

You said: "...how much weed slows you down is a lot worse than deadening pain."

and

"but its ridiculous to say it would give you and advantage....it slows down your relexes so much."

The effects of MJ are relative to the person AND the type of weed. I have some friends who get sleepy and some who get active. To say that it slows reflexes for everyone is not nec true.

I read a few years back they did a test on driving reflexes for drinking, smoking, and straight. I may be wrong, but I recall the stoners getting the best score.

You said: "Besides what fighters lose because of pain? , fighers lose knock out, submission, and wounds that bleed or are severe."

A fighter loses because of pain when he submits to a painful submission hold, like an armbar. The purpose of a submission hold is to make a fighter tap because it hurts (chokes excluded).

You said: "But really, im not sure if you have ever tried marijuana..."

Yes, I have tried the, how do you call it, oh yes, the marhijhuanha. But it was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.;P

I hope that clears things up. If not, let me know. I love MMA (MMJ?) and I'm glad it is becoming more commonplace and accepted.
 
  by: djdanx     03/09/2007 12:35 AM     
  @djdanx  
 
"I am not arguing that it deadens pain. I am just stating what the commission said.

Although, it is used medically for its pain-relieving qualities."

It is used for pain relieving but only relieves "while" high. I wasn't saying you "aruged" that it could deaden pain, but said you "could".

"However, (this is weird timing) I was talking to a colleague just before I read you post. He is a BJJ practitioner, so I mentioned that Diaz tested positive. He told me that a lot of BJJ fighters use it because it helps your mind to be inventive and focus. So it seems there are some who would partake before a match."

Inventive and focus have nothing to do with making your reflexes quicker. Whenever i got high, i tend to focus on useless things and use my "inventive" imagination to make it interesting to look at.

"The effects of MJ are relative to the person AND the type of weed. I have some friends who get sleepy and some who get active. To say that it slows reflexes for everyone is not nec true."

I agree it tends to vary from person to person, actively and sleepy, but i won't believe when you say it doesn't affect your reflexes in a negative way, if you were to fight high.

"I read a few years back they did a test on driving reflexes for drinking, smoking, and straight. I may be wrong, but I recall the stoners getting the best score."

So what if stoners ranked higher, is that a suprise to you? Their reflexes are only affected, not their vision.
Of course if you did enough weed or a stronger type, you could definitely be worse off than a person who drinks....but that goes hand to hand, if you drink so much you pass out...then who is a worse driver?
Irrelvent study, who much you drink compared to how much you smoke, percent alcohol vs how strong the weed is.

"A fighter loses because of pain when he submits to a painful submission hold, like an armbar. The purpose of a submission hold is to make a fighter tap because it hurts (chokes excluded)."

I guess i should have been clear when talking about the reasons for deaden pain "wouldn't" have affected the outcome of the fight. I was relating it to the fight of Diaz, so he wasn't in a submission to be in that situation, if he was even high at the time. So i don't see how being high could have helped his performance in this fight.
 
  by: sp00ky187   03/09/2007 03:45 AM     
  @spooky  
 
Good points. I think we are pretty much on the same page.

The commission said that it DOES affect the reflexes negatively. I guess somewhere along the way, you got the impression that I said differently. Maybe from my saying that SOME people may not be affected negatively. But the commission said that it did. They also said that it may help a fighter because of the pain issue. So in that regard, it can be seen as both a performance enhancer and detractor (is that the right word?), depending on the fighter and the situation they are in.

Because of that, it is banned. It can affect the outcome, by either positive or negative affects. That was my original point.

Also, you mention that Diaz was not in a situation where pain was a factor, but what about his broken orbital bone. Did you see any pics? It looked pretty ugly. Hypothetically, if weed does does deaden pain, then it might have helped Diaz keep on fighting, where someone straight would have been in so much pain that they would have quit or not been able to focus on the GOGOPLATA! (I love that word... gogoplataaaaa!)

Anyway, if reflexes are affected in a negative way, then why would the BJJ people (from prev post) bother getting high before grappling. The positive must outweigh the negative, for them anyway. Although, I believe that being high while your in a match with a "straight" professional is not a good idea, there may be some that it helps. Like you said, when YOU got high, you tended to focus on useless things; that is not the case for others, where it may help them focus on something useful.

I was just trying to show some different possibilites, and specifically relate to the reason it is banned.

What was the question that started all this? I must be too high to remember....hehe

 
  by: djdanx     03/09/2007 05:17 AM     
  yes iknow boxing is way diff  
 
then mma and i with u guys agree mma kickes boxings ass i would go into mma but my take down defenses and ground work i dont think will be that good cause wat ever would happen on the ground would be random and i could end up giving arm barms or rear naked chokes and not even know it. and the only reason why tim lost was cause randy is the natrual and he used brains instead of size and brawn good thing i bet money on him =) i would probally get smashed by diaz if idont work on my ground work if it was standing up... u never know fighters punch always upsets ppl
 
  by: maryjane <5   03/13/2007 08:04 PM     
  p.s wat ive found is it  
 
that weed helps u play computer games i know i play alot of counterstrike and condition zero and i smoke a bowl before i go into a server and kick ass and get called hacker but when i wrestle wiht my 20 year old brother it makes mee sooo much slower.
 
  by: maryjane <5   03/13/2007 08:05 PM     
  u gys obviously dont smoke weed  
 
its notlike nick went to the fight high dummies im guessing since he does have a colored passed that he obviously likes to chill out from time to time and smoke a blunt or 2 with friends ok if he was high in that fight he would have lost instead he went on to kick buddies ass so think alittle or study up on weed usage
 
  by: pandamonie   10/13/2007 06:56 PM     
 
 
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