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03/18/2007 12:52 AM ID: 61115 Permalink   

VA Turns Away Veteran, He Commits Suicide


Marine veteran Jonathan Schulze, who served for nearly two years in Iraq, committed suicide when the Veteran's Administration hospital was not able to admit him due to a bed shortage.

Schulze suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Unable to deal with the carnage he witnessed in Iraq, he tried to get himself admitted to the VA hospital. The hospital put him 26th on a waiting list. He hung himself four days later.

"It's unfortunate because you'll have more and more vets coming back with this and it's gonna be a larger problem all the time and it's gonna need to be dealt with," said his father.

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  Read My Nik  
And you'll see why I identify with this one on a deep level.

This is so screwed.

And it will happen again ....... and again ...... and ......
  by: Discarded Vet   03/18/2007 01:07 AM     
  Agree with Discarded  
This isn't new and it will happen so many times over before anyone gives a shit IF they ever do.

The meaning of Veteran means nothing to the gov't. Once you are out they don't give a F about you and you are treated like shit. Men like my father were spit on when they came home from Vietnam and then shit on by VA services after.

For those in right now and don't believe it your turn will come sadly.
  by: TaraB     03/18/2007 01:23 AM     
  This about sums it up:  
  by: slavefortheman     03/18/2007 01:49 AM     
  @ slavefortheman  
Man if that ain't the sad damn truth of it all.
  by: Discarded Vet   03/18/2007 02:13 AM     
  The worst part of it... that these were men who were willing--WILLING--to fight for their country. And the government, continually, has screwed them over. Supplies, ammunition, training, now healthcare. G-d knows I want them home, but what is the VA going to do with them? Nothing.

There HAS to be something we can do.
  by: vanillaskye   03/18/2007 02:53 AM     
  Here, here  
Tell those yuppies in Washington to throw some funds to Veteran health care both physical and mental.

War is sweet for those who do not fight.
  by: mr-anderson   03/18/2007 02:59 AM     
  @ vanillaskye  
".... And the government, continually, has screwed them over...."

In no wy to deture from this mans story, but to add to your comment .........
I'm screwed over for 22 years now, and in a current ongoing nasty fight with VA for 11 years.

Again, just to add a bit of severity that Veterans go thru - sometimes, ending as severe as it can get ..... like Jonathan Schulze.
  by: Discarded Vet   03/18/2007 03:03 AM     
  Alot of this problem  
is the fact that the VA is authorized zero budget annually, all of their money comes from discresionary funding from the military budget. The recently left VA administrator really sucked too, hopefully this new guy trys to change things for the better. They did the CARES study what, a decade ago and sofar ZERO percent has been enacted.
Valk, I sympathise with you, I have been hammering at them for the last three years since I retired - 90% now and the last ten percent is because they are too stupid to correctly add numbers. They sure know my name, and my congressmans name too :)

It is sad this has to happen but with the war on and the amount of disabled vets skyrocketing but no new construction and even worse alot of emergency rooms have been turned into critical care rooms which means they close at 5pm and if you arrive by ambulance they have to send you downtown to pay your own bills.

I dont care if you lean to the right or left, the vets are screwed by both sides. We are used as a election chip to be discarded as soon as possible.
  by: FTFFTW   03/18/2007 04:31 AM     
  @ FTFFTW  
"I dont care if you lean to the right or left, the vets are screwed by both sides. We are used as a election chip to be discarded as soon as possible."

Exactly! This is not a left or right issue. This is that the gov't and society needs to get thier heads out of their asses and take care of those who given to their country and expects so little back.
  by: TaraB     03/18/2007 04:46 AM     
  Not really surprised  
That many of the vocal conservatives on this site has totally ignored this. Yet they can complain about charging rent in Japan, how others should leave the country, etc etc.

Where is the outrage over this? I mean according to the you are either an american or you are unamerican stance our vets are the ultimate americans. You have 3 Vets that I know of on here alone telling you what it is like and yet you bury your heads in the sand until something about the "President" is mentioned. Disgusting.
  by: TaraB     03/18/2007 10:39 PM     
  @ TaraB  
I can only think of one word to comment about the disposition of your intended audience ........ "shame".

And of your apparent outrage ...... thanks from a Vet :)

  by: Discarded Vet   03/19/2007 12:30 AM     
  @ Discarded  
You are welcome from a fellow vet, daughter, cousin, neice and granddaughter from many a vet.

It's bullshit plain and simple and people need to get their heads out of their rears and back their words.
  by: TaraB     03/19/2007 12:52 AM     
  It is horrible  
Once you do get care, it become the quality of the care that is the concern. My wife's grandfather spent the last 40 years of his life in and out of VA hospitals, mostly due to things caused by the staff. He went in complaining of horrible stomach aches, they opened him up and found they had left surgical instruments in him during a previous operation. He told me about a couple other incidents, but I can't remember the exact details, so I won't include them. You can't sue, or do anything beyond complaining about a VA hospital for malpractice, it's in the release forms. I'm lucky enough not to have needed to go to a VA hospital, but with almost certain conflicts on the horizon, my odds are getting worse.
  by: erasedgod   03/19/2007 02:34 PM     
  And yet  
I wonder if people like our president would ever read a blog like this or a news headline(of course not) and if he did he wouldn't change a thing. He would simply say "It's an unfortunate tragedy and he is the primary reason we must continue to fight terriorism in Iraq." Sometimes we can be our own worst terriorists. Not necessarily physical harm, but emotional. This veteran, Jonathan Schulze, needed medical assistance and our government did nothing. And now he is dead and all people can say is, "Oh, what a terrible tragedy." If they had stood up and fought for this man's acceptance into the VA hospital, maybe we could get the military to "think" about it. However, even if we cried out, even if we said, "Hey! When do you plan on doing your job?" They would simply look at us as an annoyance and brush us off their shoulders or they would blatantly ignore our pleas. And yet, they wonder why people don't want to vote. This country is just sad. Yes I love my country, but I don't think it loves me back.
  by: Jon_Hall     03/19/2007 03:15 PM     
  @ erase  
Yes you are not allowed to sue them because they are considered federal employees but he might still have an option. PM me and I will explain.
  by: TaraB     03/20/2007 10:25 AM     
As much as I love my country, I don't understand why some people think that making our suffered vets "go without" is copasetic.
This country would be nothing without the men and women that sacrifice themselves to make America greater. The soldiers that puts theirs selves in harm's way for a greater good is the grandest and noblest sacrifice anyone could make.

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
(John 15:13)

These guys didn’t tell the gov’t to wait in line when they were being requisitioned. The gov’t that I’ve learned to love and admire had better make right on this. These are the men and women that personify what makes America great. The politicians need to understand that they are NOTHING without these brave and great individuals.

Luckily, in the US Army's Brooke Medical Center near San Antonio, Texas, we have a great story about recovering and rehabilitating personnel. Let’s hope the rest of the nation follows the example of this great success story…
  by: CArnold     03/24/2007 09:07 AM     
America hater!
  by: ManilaRyce     03/24/2007 09:18 AM     
  @ Carnold  
"The gov’t that I’ve learned to love and admire had better make right on this. These are the men and women that personify what makes America great. The politicians need to understand that they are NOTHING without these brave and great individuals."

I agree and while the story is really good news about the US Army's Brooke Medical Center, the gov't did not build it. The money came from Donations. And the one soldier that commented shows that they are depending on the citizens to build more instead of the gov't. Our Gov't is truly dropping the ball here.

"The centre cost $50m to build - money that came from more than half a million private donations given by the American public. "

And then this:
First Lt Jabari White, who is 24 and received 60% burns to his body, believes the facility in Texas is a sign of how much the American public cares about Iraq veterans.

"This is nothing the government has built," he says, still finding it difficult to speak because of his injuries.

"I think that says a lot about the potential of American citizens to contribute to more facilities like this. Everybody wants to support the troops. They should come together and build more facilities around the country."

  by: TaraB     03/24/2007 09:38 AM     
Go play in traffic.
  by: CArnold     03/24/2007 10:30 AM     
the captain of the debate team is back. why carnold, that's the most clever and original comeback i've ever heard.

if you don't like being accused of hating america for offering criticism of the government then i suggest you stop being such a hypocrite by accusing the rest of us of treason when we do the same. turn about is fair play. if we're america haters then so are you. your unquestioning love for your country is not only blind, but convenient for when it suits you.
  by: ManilaRyce     03/24/2007 10:41 AM     
Here comes an 18-wheeler... see if you can catch its bumper.

There's is a huge difference between damning your country (as you do) and being a squeaky wheel where improvement is required.

I’m not damning my country with my complaint, as you do with each of yours.
I feel that more attention needs to be diverted to the veterans that have courageously sacrificed so much. They deserve better.

You make a battle on each and every front with this country and its administration, regardless of cause or merit. Most of the time, it’s sheerly out of spite. And to politicize a comment that is not political further paints a clearer picture of your character. Shame.
  by: CArnold     03/24/2007 10:51 AM     
ah, mini colbert accuses me of politicizing. seriously carnold, i don't like to name call for the sake of name calling, but here comes an 18-wheeler of my own, you're an incredibly stupid person.

does anyone who can count past ten without taking their shoes off actually respect your intellect? don't answer that. you see your criticism as being valid because it occurs less frequently, while mine must obviously have an agenda behind it because it's usually in disagreement with your ideology. that's just stupid. not to mention, i often offer alternative with my criticism. what alternative or solution have you offered with that link? that citizens pay out of pocket when the government wont do its duty? you sir are the one damning your country with such an irresponsible dismissal of the problem. you talk about supporting our troops, how you believe they "deserve better", how you're disappointed in the government, blah, blah, blah. talk is cheap. what are you doing to support the troops? what are you doing other than yelling "traitor" when you spot a leftie?
  by: ManilaRyce     03/24/2007 11:13 AM     
Great question. Care to divy up an answer?

1) "what are you doing to support the troops?"

Answer? (This should be guarantee a good laugh...)

"what are you doing other than yelling "traitor" when you spot a leftie?"
I attempt to show him/her the error of their ways and why being a lefty sux butt.
  by: CArnold     03/24/2007 11:32 AM     
so in other words, you're not doing anything. thanks for clearing that up you typical neocon hypocrite.
  by: ManilaRyce     03/24/2007 11:38 AM     
You're great at name-calling. Any five-year-old would be envious of your talent.

Why do you post on this site? Wouldn't it be more effective to take out an infomercial and wear a neon sign that reads, "I'm a friggin' IDIOT!"?
  by: CArnold     03/24/2007 11:49 AM     
actually, it's pretty satisfying to watch the blind run with scissors. i called you a hypocrite. was that simply name-calling or a truthful statement? people would've drawn their own conclusions until you replied to it. you denounced my statement as immature name-calling, while simultaneously calling me "a friggin' IDIOT!" in the same breath.

so no, i wasn't simply name calling. i was stating a fact which you helped me prove. thanks.

now if you'd like to prove that you're not also a coward, perhaps you can address tara's comment regarding your link.
  by: ManilaRyce     03/24/2007 12:20 PM     
“you denounced my statement as immature name-calling, while simultaneously calling me "a friggin' IDIOT!" in the same breath.”
You’re name-calling. I’m calling a spade a spade.
If you act like an idiot, don’t cry when someone calls you out for it.

You apparently harbor some sort of grudge toward me. Fine. We all get it.

When you attack me on a personal level, we all get it.
And to attempt to politicize an issue for which my stance is absolutely neutral of any political partisanship is clear evidence that you’re itching to twist a humanitarian issue into one filled with political ire.
Grow up. This issue isn’t a left vs right issue. It’s a humanitarian issue. Regardless of your political stance, this is an issue that supersedes all of that. Quit trying to drag this into your ditch.

And YOU (of all people) are trying to dish out the “coward” label.
Heh… Wear your own name-tag and quit trying to see how it fits on others.
  by: CArnold     03/24/2007 12:54 PM     
i've proven my point. continue to dig if it makes you feel important. i know when tara's back online she'll be expecting an answer from you, so you should probably get back to the nonpartisan issue you say you're so adamant about pursuing.
  by: ManilaRyce     03/24/2007 01:43 PM     
Trying to instigate more drama? You're a pathetic piece.

Perhaps we should politicize AIDS and Cancer, too, huh? Is it the Republicans fault that cancer exists? Go ahead and tell us how Bush is to blame for cancer.

You're a joke and you're inching ever closer to losing respect from everyone on this site with your narrow points of views. You and Hugo should get a room.
  by: CArnold     03/25/2007 10:09 AM     
i can't believe you're still arguing this. there's no way that counting crows is better than u2. seriously, i liked "mr. jones" too, but u2 has consistently maintained their status as one of the largest bands in the world since the 80s. and don’t think that i’m equating chart numbers or album sales with artistic ability. i’m not. while i respect the fact that counting crows are still doing their thing, they are not even on the same level to be compared to u2. your insistence that they’re just as good is idiotic. i don’t even know where to begin the comparison. like all alternative rock bands, counting crows look to previous generations who came before for inspiration to stylize themselves after. u2, on the other hand, is one of the few bands who are unmistakable and respected for their originality. for God’s sake man, pull your head out of your ass and build a respectable music library.
  by: ManilaRyce     03/25/2007 11:56 AM     
Point made. Thanks for agreeing.

Hope you make at least 25th place in the Debating Event of the next Special Olympics. You're really "special".
What part of Asia are you from, again?
  by: CArnold     03/25/2007 12:11 PM     
clay aiken? my god man, your choice in music is as equally regrettable as your mother's choice in sperm donors. the people, such as yourself, declaring clay aiken the messiah of pop music are dooming said genre to a hellish eternity of ostentatiousness. his formulaic use of grandiose drum pounding and choir singing is employed to compensate for an ultimately weak voice and shallow lyrical ability. and on the topic of image, any man who is easily mistaken for a lesbian is guaranteed not to rock. seriously, it's time to come out of the closet carnold.
  by: ManilaRyce     03/25/2007 12:48 PM     
  @ carnold and manila  
Both of you chill and get back to the subject. We know how much your views interest each other but you can't repeat the same thing in all threads; please learn to get along, pretty please with a cherry and cream on top!

@ carnold:
"I’ve learned to love and admire had better make right on this" don't learn to love and admire... let it come naturally. I don't think you learnt to love and admire your better half (unlss you are one of those people who sees them attractive/ rich and learns to "pretend to love them"). Let the other person/ administration do things that you agree with, things that make you proud, things that you would feel so much owe to that you'ld be willing to do anything for them.
I see manila as patriotic rather than traitor. why? because he looks at the wrong things in his country and tries to change ideas/ fix them. We don'thave much power when it comes to politics other than show how much we disagree with what our governments do. If a kid does something wrong you dont reward them do you? you show them you didn't like what they did so they can improve and learn it was wrong. Cowards are people who accept what they have and not voice their concerns or simply run away from their problems.
  by: DarkAngelJG     03/25/2007 02:53 PM     
  Grow the Hell up!  
Stop it with the strawman crap and stand up for those that are getting screwed over.

@carnold you gave the link earlier and it even stated in there that our government is not doing anything to correct the mess that has fallen on our vets. It is the American people that paid for that hospital and the care that the soldiers are getting. Where the hell is the government? They are bitching and nitpicking over political sides still and our soldiers and vets are still being ignored. Where is the outrage? It should not fall to us to buld new hospitals when we are already paying taxes for this exact thing.

Another thing why do you have to mention that Manila is Asian constantly? Does it make you feel better to toss that out like it makes a dfference in his opinions? Or is it that you are a better part Asian than he is? Whichever it makes anything you say look less vaild.

@ Everyone that is being stupid.

And last this isn't about left or right this is about the people that are serving and have served being screwed over once their time is up. If you want to say or do something productive in life demand action be done from your representitives. And yes I have been doing that. So either put up or shut up damnit and stop acting like a 10 year old that has to name call if they can't get their way.
  by: TaraB     03/25/2007 07:10 PM     
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