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03/24/2007 06:30 AM ID: 61269 Permalink   

Alcohol More Dangerous Than Weed and Poppers

 

According to research released in the Lancet today, both alcohol and smoking is more dangerous than many illicit drugs including marijuana, poppers and khat. Alcohol and tobacco were in the top 10 while weed was 11th, khat was 20th and poppers were 19th.

The researchers were from two different groups and considered experts in their fields. These included law enforcement, chemists, pharmacologists and addiction specialists in the Royal Society of Psychiatrists.

While they did not make a suggestion to change the current classification system they did say "The results of this study do not provide justification for the sharp A, B, or C divisions of the current classifications in the UK Misuse of Drugs Act."

 
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  31 Comments
  
  What's even more dangerous  
 
is George Bush.
 
  by: John E Angel     03/24/2007 06:33 AM     
  Especially..  
 
If you inject him directly into the bloodstream..
 
  by: StarShadow     03/24/2007 06:42 AM     
  i could have said that for free....  
 
but i bet you coke > alcohol...

and meth > coke
 
  by: hotrock11     03/24/2007 07:06 AM     
  lolz  
 
alcohol > heroin (sniff only)
 
  by: maccheese   03/24/2007 08:19 AM     
  I'm from the USofA  
 
what the hell is poppers and khat?
 
  by: qhobbes   03/24/2007 09:30 AM     
  @qhobbes  
 
poppers are usualy sold as little bottles saying something like "room oderiser" on the side.

You put it to your nose, take a deep inhale and in a few seconds your head goes boom! boom! boom! and you feel a rush of heat (its the only way to explain it).
 
  by: sparky_fox   03/24/2007 11:26 AM     
  Graphs  
   
  by: caution2     03/24/2007 11:42 AM     
  poppers in the USA  
 
Idiots that sniff video-head cleaners are getting a REALLY good high for about 15 seconds (wtf) and then having brain-damage for the rest of their life, and sometimes death! Wheeee! Poppers!
 
  by: theironboard     03/24/2007 03:20 PM     
  @TiB  
 
yeah, no thanks, i'll still to weed

how did marijuana get 11th for dangerous? i can think of more than that thats more dangerous than weed..

alcohol
cigarette
cocaine
crack
heroin
opium
ectasy
magic mushrooms
LSD (which like marijuana is considered a safe drug, meaning you really can't overdose... you can take more than you can psychologicall handle or more than your lungs can handle in the case of weed but you can't ovrdose, or atleast theres never been a single confirmed report of either)
nutmeg (some people chew it to get high, like magic mushroom, the poisons get you high)
methanphetamine (speed/meth)
peyote
ginseng seeds (might be spelled wrong, its a powerful hallicusinagin)
codine (can be snorted for a high)
ritlin (can be snorted for a high)
aspin (overdose risk, and can also be snorted for a high)
crank
whippets (snortingthe gas out of a whip cream can container, produces a 15 second high)

theres 18 drugs (in the case of whippets, a method to get high) all more dangerous than weed.

the biggest concern i have about smoking weed is my lung capacity, aside from that the next biggest concern is making sure theres fresh water in my bong and making sure my screen is clean...lol
 
  by: HAVOC666     03/24/2007 03:40 PM     
  @ john & starshadow  
 
LOL!
=D
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     03/24/2007 04:05 PM     
  @John E Angel  
 
He's not that bad jeez. He freed Kuwait with the allies and what not.

But my main question is this, how the hell does drugs being bad relate to a pretty decent president?
 
  by: DesertRebel   03/24/2007 07:15 PM     
  @ rebel  
 
"pretty decent president?"
sorry i afeel a bit confused here... who/ what are we talking about?
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     03/24/2007 07:25 PM     
  ?????  
 
" He freed Kuwait with the allies and what not."
That was George Senior. He wasn't that bad of a president, but his son sucks.
 
  by: Lurker     03/24/2007 08:03 PM     
  @desertrebel  
 
wait... i thought you said you were enlisted and in Iraq; you can't get the basics of recent history right and that means you are fighting for the wrong president?
 
  by: theironboard     03/24/2007 08:51 PM     
  Say what?  
 
"He's not that bad jeez. He freed Kuwait with the allies and what not."

George Herbert did that, not the current snake in the Bush who is George W. That was the early 90's also.

"But my main question is this, how the hell does drugs being bad relate to a pretty decent president"

Decent? Not waiting for the UN and going into Iraq, wiretapping his own citizens under the guise of "fighting terrorism", thumbing his nose at the Geneva Convention, Kyoto Treaty, turning the public opinion of our country to shit, being one of the most secretive presidencies in our history, the list could go on forever.

There are a lot of words for GWB, decent is far from one of them.
 
  by: TaraB     03/24/2007 08:56 PM     
  well duh  
 
Hospitals full of people with mush for livers. People in bars and clubs killing each other. Drink driving... life time alcoholism...

I can't recall in my 25 years hearing a story of weed causing anyones death directly or in-directly...

Yet of course, the UK (and other) governments are willing to send you to prison (depends on the area) and give you a criminal record for having an 8th on you, whereas mush-brained spastics call fall out of bars and pubs completely inebriated day in / day out... Don't get me wrong i enjoy a pint or two but i learnt excess drinking was for idiots when i was 18.
solutions?

1. Embarrassing community service for being caught drunk in public

2. Painful fines for bar / pub managers who continue to serve drunks, with license removal for excessive violations.
 
  by: koultunami     03/25/2007 05:14 PM     
  poppers  
 
are amyl nitrate or butyl nitrate

Formerly heart medication for angina.

Sparky gave a good explanation of how it works.

I broke the lid of a bottle once, put it in my pocket, and walked home.

45 minutes later my heart was firing like crazy, took 6 hours to calm down.
 
  by: GogeVandire   03/25/2007 05:33 PM     
  Weed is 11th?  
 
How is pot dangerous? I'm confused.
 
  by: Dark_Stang   03/25/2007 05:35 PM     
  Weed is Dangerous  
 
It turns kids into killers, it turns Presidents into sex maniacs, it turns hippies into aggressive hubcap stealing punks. Hide your babies! It's WEEEeeeed!
 
  by: theironboard     03/25/2007 06:03 PM     
  @havoc  
 
er whippets are a dog not a drug, probably mean nitrous oxide.


Mushrooms are in no way shape or form one of the most dangerous drugs, yeah there are inherent risks related to mental state/condition, but tbh that goes without saying as the same applies to all of life. They also cause hallucinatory effects due to the active chemicals being seratonin antagonists but nevermind...

Can you stop pulling information out of your arse please, LD50 of LSD is what? 1/2 human bodyweight+?

I can't believe you even listen aspirin(and spell it wrong) you can die from drinking too much water, again please stop posting bullshit.

Also poppers are alkyl nitrates

I smoke weed but I am well aware of the risk of cancer not to mention psychological problems, I am just happy living in the real world and accepting something is bad for me when its obvious .

A college lecturer used to say how he thought cigarettes and alcohol would be classified as class A if they were introduced onto the market as of now, I think he has a point.

Way I see it, accept that a lot of drugs are bad for you, in some cases far less than stated but in others more.Take them if you can deal with this, if not pursue other activities for the enjoyment/experience(s) they bring. Denial is also many a drug users friend.

 
  by: Oook!   03/25/2007 07:38 PM     
  also  
 
"which like marijuana is considered a safe drug, meaning you really can't overdose... you can take more than you can psychologicall handle or more than your lungs can handle in the case of weed but you can't ovrdose, or atleast theres never been a single confirmed report of either"

WTF there are actually loads of reports that would indicate people have very very bad hallucinatory experience from marijuana. Just check erowid or similar.

I do realise I am laying into you a bit harshly havoc, but don't post your opinion as fact. It's just wrong.

Considering no psychadelic mushrooms are listed on the table, its obvious you just made up your information.

Do think solvents should be the lowest by far on the pleasure rating though, pretty crap effects. Well unless you are say 13 and never done any proper drugs.

 
  by: Oook!   03/25/2007 07:47 PM     
  @oook  
 
"WTF there are actually loads of reports that would indicate people have very very bad hallucinatory experience from marijuana. Just check erowid or similar."

Yes, people can hallucinate from marijuana. It's a mild hallucinagin. Hallucinating does not equal an OD (Over Dose). No, I'm not going to spell check those last few sentances :p

But yeah, Havok is right, there has never been a recorded incident of someone OD'ing on Marijuana. According to what I can find on the internet, they say it would take between 20-32 pounds to OD, which would not only be costly, but I'm pretty sure you would pass out after the first pound... even if you ate it, you would pass out long before you were done eatting that much.

I tried looking for a source to support what he was saying, but everyone one of them seemed to be a lot of pro-pot sites, or wiki, and both would be considered biased.
 
  by: tellgar     03/25/2007 09:36 PM     
  Long-term pot smokers needed for testing  
 
If researchers need a subject to test the long term affects of pot, then I would volunteer. I have been smoking the heathen-devil weed 35 years. I am sure that there are those on this site that can equal that. I always perk up when the subject is pot. I can contribute quite a bit to any dialogue. No brag, just fact.
 
  by: John E Angel     03/25/2007 10:38 PM     
  Don't they have  
 
anything better they could be studying?
 
  by: ncheek     03/26/2007 08:16 AM     
  Whippits..  
 
Got their name from the cans of whipped cream. Until the pressurised gas(in the cans) was changed it was possible to sniff it and get high for several seconds.
 
  by: StarShadow     03/26/2007 03:32 PM     
  All I gotta say  
 
I'll drink to that! *raises glass*
 
  by: DesertRebel   03/26/2007 08:42 PM     
  @Oook  
 
"er whippets are a dog not a drug, probably mean nitrous oxide."

i was spelling it phonetically, so it might be wrong, no i don't mean laughing gas (nitrous oxide), i defined what a "whippet" was just incase i had the spelling off.

"Mushrooms are in no way shape or form one of the most dangerous drugs, yeah there are inherent risks related to mental state/condition, but tbh that goes without saying as the same applies to all of life. They also cause hallucinatory effects due to the active chemicals being seratonin antagonists but nevermind..."

in mushroom its poisons that exist in the mushrooms that produce the hallucination... you can actually die from injesting them, though stomach pain and difficulty moving are far more likely, i would not consider them as dangerous as alcohol, not they aren't safe either.

"Can you stop pulling information out of your arse please, LD50 of LSD is what? 1/2 human bodyweight+?"

no, LD50 is a mudvayne song...lol

actually its 12,000 ug (micrograms)

http://www.erowid.org/...

" can't believe you even listen aspirin(and spell it wrong) you can die from drinking too much water, again please stop posting bullshit."

i was merely posting what is more dangerous than weed... asprin is more dangerous are you going to refute this or no?

"Also poppers are alkyl nitrates"

which do?


"I smoke weed but I am well aware of the risk of cancer not to mention psychological problems, I am just happy living in the real world and accepting something is bad for me when its obvious."

yes you can get cancer from smoking weed, its not been proven but i'm more than willing to assume it can, but its also been shown to reduce tumor growth, by the way, to my knowledge weed has never been proven to be the cause of psychological illness', i am will to admit certian people should smoke weed as a result of an EXISTING mental illness even if its a suppressed one.

"A college lecturer used to say how he thought cigarettes and alcohol would be classified as class A if they were introduced onto the market as of now, I think he has a point."

if the industry wasn't influencing the laws an rather it was purely logic that lead to the classification of drugs then yes your teacher would probably be correct.

"Way I see it, accept that a lot of drugs are bad for you, in some cases far less than stated but in others more.Take them if you can deal with this, if not pursue other activities for the enjoyment/experience(s) they bring. Denial is also many a drug users friend."

again as i've long since said drugs aren't for everyone... if a person hasa mental condition marijuana probably wont help them.

yes denial my work for alot of users but i prefer science to myth... sadly alot that you hear about marijuana just isn't true (maijuana and brain damage for instance), other parts are twisted truths (such as addiction, it can be pyschologically addictive, who THC, the active compound in weed is not physically addictive), and other part yet are true (such has it will effect your lungs, but any smoke inhalation of any kind will do this as well)

"WTF there are actually loads of reports that would indicate people have very very bad hallucinatory experience from marijuana. Just check erowid or similar."

very bad hallucination DO NOT constitute an overdose... were talking lethal overdose here... you cannot smoke that much weed in that little time to actually overdose... it would be like smoking a telephone poll size joint to yourself... about 5-5.5KG in an hour is the LD for weed, i seriously don't know anyone that can smoke that much... the lungs just can't handle that much smoke in that little time... you'd die of oxygen starvation long before you finished the needed amount. the worst experience i had was 2 black-outs that lasted up to 10 seconds each, as opposed to the time i black out from alcohol for a half-hour.. but the blacking out from weed was my own fault, not the weed's as i was holding the toke in for longer than needed to get a head rush.

"I do realise I am laying into you a bit harshly havoc, but don't post your opinion as fact. It's just wrong."

how so, i'm not posting opinions... you name me a drug safer than weed

"Considering no psychadelic mushrooms are listed on the table, its obvious you just made up your information."

actually magic mushrooms was listed... check between ectasy and LSD you'll find magic mushrooms listed... and btw, i've done mushrooms too... the discription i gave about the effect of mushroom more likely than death are my observations and experiences.

"Do think solvents should be the lowest by far on the pleasure rating though, pretty crap effects. Well unless you are say 13 and never done any proper drugs."

LSD is a solvant is its supposed to be one of the better drugs... better in terms of safety and experience. LSD is also again considered a safe drug as its extremely hard, practically impossib
 
  by: havoc666     03/26/2007 09:45 PM     
  @john e angel  
 
"Long-term pot smokers needed for testing
If researchers need a subject to test the long term affects of pot, then I would volunteer. I have been smoking the heathen-devil weed 35 years. I am sure that there are those on this site that can equal that. I always perk up when the subject is pot. I can contribute quite a bit to any dialogue. No brag, just fact."

ditto sign me up... i'll volunteer for the heavy user category... i'm sure i can confortably smoke 20 joints a day... on a good day i'm doing half that anyways... if only i had the money to smoke as much as i want.

only almost 7 years smoking here (only weed, f*ck cigarettes) i lungs should be in better shape... for ummm... more testing...lol


and

@starshadow, thanks for clearing of the whippits part.
 
  by: havoc666     03/26/2007 09:50 PM     
  Sounds logical...  
 
how many people you have known that have died from smoking pot or shooting up on crack.
Then compare this with the deaths from lung cancer or cirossis of the liver.
That's where youll get the figures.
 
  by: cavador   03/27/2007 06:21 AM     
  @cavador  
 
Please let me know if you find any instance of someone shooting up on crack because I am pretty sure its impossible. You can shoot its anhydrous counterpart cocaine which has caused the death of many individuals. Again lung cancer deaths...I am willing to bet very few people who have died from lung cancer ONLY smoked marijuana.
 
  by: xufeelinlukyx   03/27/2007 05:46 PM     
  @StarShadow  
 
you can still get high off whipped cream cans... Most of them still use N2O...
 
  by: phalconavatar   04/03/2007 01:50 AM     
 
 
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