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04/11/2007 12:06 PM ID: 61720 Permalink   

Pot... It Could Turn You into a D...head

 

The government in the Australian state of NSW is running a $600,000 anti-cannabis campaign targeting teenagers. The ads will run in cinemas, on posters, myspace, msn messenger and some gaming websites.

The advertisements feature lines such as: "Pot. It mightn't kill you, but it could turn you into a d***head", "You've got great eyes, when they're not bloodshot" and "I'd lend you money, but you still owe me from last time".

NSW Health drug and alcohol programs director David McGrath said, "There is still a significant cohort of people who think, particularly with the young person's age group, that cannabis is normal. There's no safe level of cannabis use."

 
  Source: www.theage.com.au  
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  Now  
 
don't all the cannabis supporters jump down my throat about this one. I'm just reporting it. You know it's getting pretty hardcore when the government starts using vulgar terms. :D
 
  by: ixuzus     04/11/2007 12:08 PM     
  I agree  
 
that there is no safe level of pot use. Let's hope this works.
 
  by: sleeky     04/11/2007 12:35 PM     
  anti-drug campaigns  
 
...have they ever worked? you'd think our governments were the ones smoking pot for doing the same thing over and over again with no results.
 
  by: ManilaRyce     04/11/2007 12:36 PM     
  @sleeky  
 
actually, there is no dangerous level of pot use.
 
  by: ManilaRyce     04/11/2007 12:37 PM     
  Hehe  
 
Don't worry I wouldn't jump down your throat, but I would like a to have a go at theirs :)

The "I'd lend you money...." I really hate that, it really REALLY gets on my tits!

Governments all over the world do this, try to tell me that there is an automatic link between drugs and crime.

I'd just like to make it clear that unreliable spongers come in many forms and that despite what governments would have you believe so do stoners.


(I know you didn't need telling that but I fancied a rant!)
 
  by: encorespod   04/11/2007 12:44 PM     
  ...  
 
I’ve been a d…head for over 40 years and I can’t remember the last time I committed a crime. Of course I can’t remember to 60’s either…
 
  by: STONE KILEY   04/11/2007 01:33 PM     
  @ha  
 
Yeah, so I was thinking it was "deadhead" and I couldn't figure out why it would be censored... so I read the source... now that's a funny "public message".
 
  by: Svengali   04/11/2007 01:49 PM     
  Bah  
 
Anyone who has done research on how/why pot was made illegal knows that there's virtually no harm in it -- it's certainly less harmful than alcohol and tobacco. Also, it's no more likely to turn you into a dick-head than oxygen... and oxygen seems to be doing that quite a bit.
 
  by: erasedgod   04/11/2007 02:13 PM     
  Yeah  
 
well if they wanted real bad news about pot use they could just say that it can make you lose your short term memory and it can make you lethargic. Then again, so can TV.
 
  by: banshee9898     04/11/2007 02:22 PM     
  Thank you William Randolph Hurst & John Anslinger  
 
Your legacy of lies and yellow journalism lives on and has spread across the globe. Your lies have wiped out an industry, imprisoned hundreds of thousands, and made criminals out of millions of law abiding citizens. You have cost the tax payers worldwide umpteen Billions of dollars in law enforcement expenses, prison expenses, legal expenses and deprived the world of billions in revenues from a harmless weed, all in the name of profit in the newspaper industry and power in the political arena. That is really something to be proud of isn’t it. These men’s names need to be remembered alongside Hitler, Stalin and Joe McCarthy in the anals of history as two of the greatest plagues that ever struck this planet. So who is the PR d**khead in Australia that is in charge of continuing the lie?
 
  by: Valkyrie123     04/11/2007 02:25 PM     
  here here!  
 
erasedgod / valkyrie

couldnt have put it better myself! :)
 
  by: M4CRO_   04/11/2007 02:37 PM     
  @Encore  
 
<Q>"I'd lend you money...." I really hate that, it really REALLY gets on my tits!</Q>

Err, hmmm..Ca.. Can I lend you some?

(sorry I couldnt help it)LMAO
 
  by: kinko     04/11/2007 02:43 PM     
  @Svengali  
 
Sheltered upbringing?
 
  by: ixuzus     04/11/2007 02:56 PM     
  Up in Smoke....  
 
Everyone should read "The Emperors New Clothes" By Jack Herer. Without these unrefuted facts, nobody can intelligently discuss cannabis. The plant literally can save the world. As a fiber, a lubricant, biomass, medicine, etc. Guess who never wants it legal?

http://www.jackherer.com/...
 
  by: machiavelli     04/11/2007 03:03 PM     
  @ svengali  
 
that's what i was thinking too!
=S
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     04/11/2007 03:10 PM     
  @ixuzus  
 
Nah, just always hear the word "deadhead" associated with drug use.

@DarkAngel
;)
 
  by: Svengali   04/11/2007 03:23 PM     
  @Valk  
 
Like I've said before, even though I've never tried marijuana myself, one thing I've noticed is that someone smoking marijuana usually will not:

a) vomit on me

b) try to grab my ass

c) get in a fight

d) take so much that they have to go to the hospital

I agree, marijuana is definitely far less harmful than alcohol.
 
  by: Volkova_Nova     04/11/2007 03:32 PM     
  @encore  
 
No, the reason they associate crime with pot use is because when you smoke pot you are encouraging illegal activities. The same people that sell pot also dabble in other more illegal activities.

Pot use is usually associated with people who have a lesser regard for society because it is a blatant illegal activity and by indulging in it you are showing yourself to have a disregard for society itself. Law isn't about whether YOU think its right to do something.
 
  by: kuhl   04/11/2007 04:00 PM     
  Legalize it  
 
and it will reduce crime. Not because a pot smoker causes crime (anyone who goes to ozzfest can tell you they aren't a prob) but because it would help get rid of the 'black' market. There I said it! Govt beware we have a free thinker!
 
  by: Ryanb     04/11/2007 04:11 PM     
  @Kuhl and Volk  
 
"
No, the reason they associate crime with pot use is because when you smoke pot you are encouraging illegal activities. The same people that sell pot also dabble in other more illegal activities"

That is the biggest load of crap ever.
Do you really think the operator of a meth lab would waste his time growing weed?
It'd be like a gold miner spending 5 days a week digging up coal and 2 digging up gold.

And even if it were the case, the second it went legal, big farming corps would take over and push basement growers out of business.
So if anything, your point is that keeping it illegal helps criminals....


"Pot use is usually associated with people who have a lesser regard for society because it is a blatant illegal activity and by indulging in it you are showing yourself to have a disregard for society itself. Law isn't about whether YOU think its right to do something."

Many things have been against the law at one time or another.
Inter racial marriages were illegal in some areas of the US until 60 or so years ago.

When the law is unjust its your duty to disobey it.
 
  by: Gogevandire   04/11/2007 04:16 PM     
  @Volk, almost forgot  
 
I thought girls like it when you drunkenly pinch there bums?

Dont you?
 
  by: Gogevandire   04/11/2007 04:17 PM     
  @Goge  
 
Yes, it's very charming. Right up there with, "SHOW ME YOUR TI-BLLURRRARRRRGH!"
 
  by: Volkova_Nova     04/11/2007 04:23 PM     
  @kuhl  
 
When a law is passed using lies, deceit, and trickery should it remain on the books? When a law is passed and is disturbingly false in it pretense should it remain on the books? Do you still support slavery too? Do some research on how Hurst and Anslinger got the anti-marijuana laws passed and what they got out of it. It will surprise you. Do you know why paper is made from wood fiber instead of far superior hemp? Do you know what Hurst’s opinion of Mexicans was and why he wanted to take away their favorite form of relaxation? Do you know how much money Hurst lost to Poncho Villa in forests earmarked for the paper mill? Refer Madness was nothing but a ruse to discredit the hemp industry in favor of the timber industry, an area where Hurst had Billion$ at stake. Do your research, it will be an eye opener. It’s about time the truth be told.

@Volk
You are right on hon, I have never been groped by a pot head, I can't say the same about drunks.
 
  by: Valkyrie123     04/11/2007 04:24 PM     
  @gog and valk  
 
"That is the biggest load of crap ever.
Do you really think the operator of a meth lab would waste his time growing weed?"

I never said he GREW weed or made METH. I said there is a good chance they dabble in illegal activities; which is true. The same person that sells the weed usually sells the crack or meth and the same person they bought the weed from usually is usually involved in other illegal activities. Its just a big circle that feeds each other.

I didn't say the law should remain on the books. I said it is illegal. I am not as stupid as you assume I am. If it is illegal and it shouldn't be than YOU fix it. The same people that are always complaining about the degradation of human society are the same ones on here bitching because they can't smoke or buy their marijuana legally. What a crock of shit. Take what you like and leave everything else behind.

I just can't wait until someday they do legalize marijuana. People will be setting around getting highly having the times of their lives. Then we can have other people stand up and complain because the american people have become too complacent and even more obese.
Alcohol is bad but you guys are speaking like we have to replace it with marijuana as the lesser of two evils. I say don't replace the addiction or the means of relaxation with anything. Find your own mental devices or suffer the consequences of your inadequacy.
 
  by: kuhl   04/11/2007 05:03 PM     
  @Kuhl  
 
"I never said he GREW weed or made METH. I said there is a good chance they dabble in illegal activities; which is true. The same person that sells the weed usually sells the crack or meth and the same person they bought the weed from usually is usually involved in other illegal activities. Its just a big circle that feeds each other."

Why would someone who sells crack sell weed?
Despite what the government tells you, the two users arent the same, anything alike, and certainly dont hang out together.
Its like comparing a compute rhacker and a mugger, the two just arent the same thing.

As volk often says, theres nothing now stopping her walking 5 minutes from her house, nbuying weed and spending her life stoned, beyond shes not a fool...


Much the same arguement s were raised when alcohol sales were legalised 24/7, people would drunk in the gutters at all hours, bollocks.
 
  by: Gogevandire   04/11/2007 05:15 PM     
  @Volkova_Nova  
 
ROFLMAO!

At All:
What they need to do is hire Eric Fensler, who did the GI Joe PSA redubs, to do some for them :)

That and the worst that can happen to most pot heads is that they eat the entire contents of the fridge, so millions of potheads could spell disaster for the food supply!
 
  by: Jediman3     04/11/2007 05:46 PM     
  @gog  
 
"Despite what the government tells you, the two users arent the same, anything alike, and certainly dont hang out together."

Yes they do. I've known of many who are one in the same (myself taking part in drug enforcement). This is why marijuana tends to be a gateway drug, because it introduces you to that aspect of society and frankly many of the people who are habitual pot smokers have problems dealing with reality as it is which makes it excruciating to argue with them and is obviously convenient for the politicians and so it makes them more apt to eventually try different drugs. Oh don't let me forget the amount of people who deal marijuana tend to be surprisingly suspicious of everyone and I've seen some pretty nice cache of illegal firearms stored for that reason.

People can drink 24/7 and do. It is one of the largest reasons for deaths in the US and for social problems.

Also if marijuana is so safe and does not dramatically impair function why not spend your life smoking? You might as well. Hell it doesn't hurt anything... wow it might even be healthy for you! Bollocks.
 
  by: kuhl   04/11/2007 05:47 PM     
  @Kuhl The Gateway drug crap makes me want to hurl  
 
Let me expound. Before I did pot I drank alcohol, therefore alcohol is the gateway to all evil. But before I drank alcohol I smoked a cigarette, so cigarettes are the gateway to all evil. But before I smoke a cigarette, I ate a banana, so bananas are the gateway to all evil. But before I ate a banana I drank some mothers milk, and that was the first thing I ever consumed. So mamma’s teat is the gateway to all evil. Moral of the story, if you want to do something you are going to do it. Nothing but your self control will stop you and you are responsible for your decisions. There is no gateway, it is just something made up to justify the continuance of this ruse. If you want to drink or smoke 24/7 that is your choice and you will have to live with the consequences and the fallout. If someone wants to smoke a dube after work how do you plan on stopping them Mr. Law Enforcement? Arrest them all? Good luck. It isn’t working now, it never will work and is wrong at multiple levels. If you can go 3 cells down in a prison and get any illegal drug you want it is obvious that banning them in the free world won’t work either. I don’t want to live in a prison society and even that much control isn’t enough obviously. Legalize, regulate and tax them. Use the profits for treatment of abusers.

You are a drug user. Every time you take an aspirin or a Tylenol you are using a drug. It is a synthetic drug made by mixing chemical in a drug factory. The only difference between this and pot is pot is natural and no one used lobbyist to pay millions of dollars bribing and cajoling congressmen to get a law passed to make it legal to sell it to you. It is obvious you don’t even know why marijuana is illegal, you are still of the mind set that it is because it is a dangerous drug. You seem to be a little slow on the uptake son so I did the research for you. It ain’t about getting high, it’s all about corporate profits and hating minorities.

http://blogs.salon.com/...
http://www.druglibrary.org/...
http://www.druglibrary.org/...
http://www.heartbone.com/...
 
  by: Valkyrie123     04/11/2007 07:19 PM     
  sooo in touch with the youth  
 
"Pot. It mightn't kill you, but it could turn you into a
d***head"

look -- they don't even use real english -- rather
than just use "might" they opt for "mightn't." (i
know the brits and ozzies have different lingual
tendencies, but no matter how hard you try,
"mightn't" is not a word.) how *hip* and *rad*. but
i don't understand how pot will turn you into a d-
ckhead? if you're a d-ckhead after pot use, chances
are you were a d-ckhead BEFORE the pot use.
except now you have a convenient excuse, "i'm not
a d-ckhead! pot me this way."
 
  by: pixx   04/11/2007 08:11 PM     
  @Pixx  
 
I'm not so sure about all that. Every time I got high, I'd shoot my friend with my father's revolver, then I'd go through the drive-through and run over a little kid. More recently, my girl left me for an alien because he didn't feel like smoking. Then my dog tried to convince me that I was addicted (read: addicted?!) to pot, so I told him he was stupid... he then went and planted a flag in the lawn. Those who are lucky enough to not see the US's anti-pot propaganda, consider yourselves lucky.

It has always tickled me that the Partnership for a Drug-free America and other "anti-drug" groups are mostly funded by pharmaceutical companies and christian groups.

Pot = bad.
Drugs that have horrible side-effects, cost tons of money, and people only think they need because they saw a commercial with a happy circle on tv = good
 
  by: erasedgod   04/11/2007 08:39 PM     
  @valk  
 
You've missed the point entirely. I purposely avoided pointing out the ramification of previous judicial rulings. I stayed with what was current and the facts at hand you elaborated for me when it was convenient.

"You are a drug user. Every time you take an aspirin or a Tylenol you are using a drug. It is a synthetic drug made by mixing chemical in a drug factory. The only difference between this and pot is pot is natural and no one used lobbyist to pay millions of dollars bribing and cajoling congressmen to get a law passed to make it legal to sell it to you."

Wow try again and use an analogy where the drug is an agonist to cannabis receptors in the brain and you'll make sense.

You can't win an argument by using a condescending tone. It actually makes me think much less of you and the point that you are trying to force down my throat.

You obviously don't understand the sociological and psychological meanings of gateway drug. Either you just contend not to or dropped the point as null because it doesn't fit into your argument. The term is used for a reason. Yes the people that have addictive natures will be more susceptible to it but even people wanting a "better" high are too. You can't tell me I wrong on this. I have a ton of experience to back it up. Pot is a gateway into another type of lifestyle for MOST. I've never been around the uppity people that sell it so I can't speak for them but most are located on the other side of the cesspool across town on the other side of the tracks. That goes for their actual location and their place in society.
 
  by: kuhl   04/11/2007 08:47 PM     
  @kuhl  
 
Your backwards logic is way off the mark.

Pot can be a gateway because it is often people's first (or only) reason to regularly break the law. The "gateway" property is a consequence of its legal situation. Therefore, trying to justify the prohibition of marijuana with "gateway drug" propaganda is a logical fallicy.

It is true that you will find very few hard drug users who have not smoked marijuana. However this does not imply that marijuana was a step on their way to hard drugs. The correlation does not imply causation.
 
  by: reverend j roach     04/11/2007 10:10 PM     
  Also..  
 
Part of the 'gateway' effect is due to people trying the demon-weed (pot) and realizing that it's nowhere near as bad as the 'anti-drug' propaganda makes it out to be. Then they wonder, what else have they lied about, and try the harder drugs, generally it's downhill from there.
 
  by: StarShadow     04/11/2007 10:53 PM     
  The worst  
 
that I've done while being high was get overly paranoid and tell my husband not to speed [he wasn't anyways] because there could be a cop around... gee that's so dangerous, we could totally have ran someone over by not speeding.
 
  by: the_one   04/11/2007 11:08 PM     
  @the_one  
 
It is slow moving pot heads like your who give the rest of us a bad name.
 
  by: bane39   04/11/2007 11:23 PM     
  @reverend  
 
"Your backwards logic is way off the mark. Pot can be a gateway because it is often people's first (or only) reason to regularly break the law."

My logic is well in sync with yours... is it not well known that that is what 'gateway drug' means? I thought that was a given... hell I even said it. I don't know why I am all of a sudden 'backward' using the same logic you are. Wait yes I do...
Starshadow is also right.

I will say it plain so you guys can not misconstrue what I am saying. Marijuana is illegal. It is not required for the body to function; it is not required for fun or relaxation. You don't need marijuana to heal you; nor do you need it to make paper. It is an illegal drug that you simply want to use because it makes you feel good. So be it. That doesn't take away from the fact that it is illegal and you are breaking the law each and every time you use it or have it in your possession.

Who the hell uses marijuana as an excuse for civil disobedience in the first place? I think the true reason people are so adamant about marijuana use is that it makes them different... it makes them different in a crowd and exposes them to different people and a different area of society than they are used to. This makes them feel special... EVERYONE wants to feel special and have something to bitch about.

Want to indulge in a crazy new illegal activity that has a reason for disobedience? Call across the ocean to anywhere and joke about planes and bombs. Now that doing something that is illegal to spite the ones who made the unjust laws.
 
  by: kuhl   04/11/2007 11:32 PM     
  the only reason  
 
that there is a connection between marijuana and crime is because the Stupid bastards that hide the facts about pot, made it illegal a long time ago and now its only available through criminals, or decent folks that can grow.

The problem lies in this bastards who think they know everything, by selling what makes profit and killing what comes from nature and that can be grown anywhere! Marijuana is rated 11th worse, while legal crap like alcohol and tobacco are ranked the firsts in the list of worse crap to consume.

ALL HAIL THE EMPIRE OF CRAP AND DECEIT.

The world is miserable, i should move to Holland, they were rated with the best social stability in the world and pot there is legal. I just hope Holland cancels prostitutes, that is the lowdown , it should be illegal to sell one's body and soul for a piece of bread or something more.
 
  by: unitybeing   04/12/2007 01:10 AM     
  @unitybeing  
 
I would easily sell my body or "soul" (chuckle) if it would get me food or water (needed to survive) I could not have gotten otherwise.

You are for drugs but against allowing people to use their bodies for whatever they please?
 
  by: datreic   04/12/2007 02:11 AM     
  Dear Australia...  
 
I know you love your Foster's... so I wouldn't DARE go after alcohol.

Certainly because Prohibition never worked here in the states, and it certainly wouldn't work for the Aussies either.

However... if you would entertain me for just a moment... please compare the safety of pot vs. alcohol for me... just some simple statistics, you know, since math is just so awesome.

Let's try... deaths by DUI vs. deaths by people driving stoned... or maybe, death by liver failure vs. lung cancer in pot smokers?

Don't cop out on me now and say "well the pot numbers don't exist, there haven't been enough studies."

What did the love kids ever do to you, Mr. The Man? ;-)

Reality Check,

Chrysm
 
  by: chrysmevalesco   04/12/2007 03:28 AM     
  Won't last  
 
As sure as the sun will shine the use of the word DICKHEAD will offend someone. This champaign will be short lived or changed.
Not to mention the teens will take it to be nothing more then what it is. A joke. What a waste of money.

They tried this when I was younger. Different approach though, they said smoking pot lead to stronger drugs and was known to cause people to have orgies and such. More of us started smoking to find the orgies... They lied. We just smoked more but never did find the orgy.
 
  by: hellblazer     04/12/2007 06:00 AM     
  its  
 
funny how every article about pot has lots of comments.

I know lots of dick heads who have never smoked pot...mostly rich people. Lets start an anti rich people campaign next.
 
  by: shaohu     04/12/2007 01:06 PM     
  Anyone ever heard of...  
 
Cannabis induced psychosis? It's not made up; 2 members of my family had it. It was weird, one of them started beliving that god was watching them and the other started writing loads of things on bits of paper. I don't have a history of mental illness in my family and they were fine until they started smoking cannibis regularly. After a stay in hospital they are ok now although they are on medication and the doctor says they may have to be on it for the rest of their lives.

I'm not against smoking cannibis; I used to at parties and it never did me any harm. I only stoppped after they flipped out. I don't think that it happens to everyone, just a few people that are suceptible to it.

I don't think it should be legalised as you would get the usual arses abusing it in public and ruining it for everyone. Can you imagine 16 year olds buying it legally, selling it to 12 year olds who then wonder around the streets high? In the UK you already get 12-14 year olds in the local parks drinking and falling over and vommiting everywhere. Add cannabis to that and it would be worse.

I do think that the penalties should be lower though. If you are an informed adult and want to smoke it at home then go ahead!
 
  by: andy68man   04/12/2007 01:09 PM     
  @chrysmevalesco  
 
we have to have prohibition on Pot otherwise USA will fu*k us up. since we joined this stupid war on terror and have got a Prime Minister who seems to have sexual fantasies about your president Bush it has only got worse, Pot used to be ignored by police and only harder drug users/dealers were targeted, even then users had it pretty easy, recently they have been throwing the book at everyone and trying to make the laws tougher.
 
  by: veya_victaous     04/12/2007 01:11 PM     
  @andy  
 
If it was legal, it would (probably) be regulated much the same way alcohol and tobacco are. It would also be abused the same way. However, the risks of marijuana abuse are much less serious than those of alcohol abuse.
 
  by: erasedgod   04/12/2007 01:19 PM     
  All I can say  
 
is that this is a waste of money. What they fear is that people will start becoming emotionally aware and start a revolution against the illegal war on terror.

Marijuana is known to awaken the LEFT creative side, where it sees things that the conditioned logical side does not care to grasp. They are very, very afraid of people becoming hippies, but not of people becoming completely addicted to alcohol and tobacco, which is freely sold without any problems, while marijuana isnt addictive. OMF I LOVE EUROPA, i just hope they break the contract they got with the DEA and the Empire, we need freedom man. Here in South Africa the marijuana case will only open in 2010, as Mandela decided back in the day - i am hoping that we change, however there are way too many anglo people here and English is first lang. so i dont know, i guess the whole world needs a revolution.
 
  by: unitybeing   04/12/2007 01:46 PM     
  P.S.  
 
I dont have anything against anglo people, my best friend is anglo - the only problem is the old generation which conditions the new with bullkak and then the story as we know it goes on, denial.
 
  by: unitybeing   04/12/2007 01:47 PM     
  @andy68man  
 
You think the kids on the park aren't already smoking pot?

Please.

The kids smoke pot more than they drink - it's easier to get hold of... No age restrictions, etc.

If it was legal, then it wouldn't be used as much. Look at the dutch statistics for kids compaired to the UK statistics.
 
  by: dook   04/12/2007 02:50 PM     
  @dook  
 
I wasn't saying that the kids don't smoke it, just that if it was legalised more of them would smoke it.

Most kids can get cheap booze like cider from their parents, siblings, older friends etc just by getting them to walk into a shop or swiping it. To get weed they have to know someone who will sell it to them and it's normally more expensive than a bottle of cider. If it was legalised then it would be as easy to get as alcohol and more kids would abuse it.

You could argue that alcohol is more harmful than cannabis (and I would agree) but I don't think kids would switch from one to the other, I think they would do both which exposes them to both problems. Is it really worth making it easier for them? Why not just lower the criminal charges for posession?

Also we have a different attitude in the UK than the dutch. Look at the extended drinking hours. Did the UK drink less? No. If they lowered the price of alcohol would people drink less? No.

Just out of interest do dutch people go on drinking binges every weekend?
 
  by: andy68man   04/12/2007 03:19 PM     
  I hope  
 
The people that made the campaign are monitoring this post. That would be entirely fitting.
 
  by: kuhl   04/12/2007 03:52 PM     
  Please research...  
 
The US Gov legalised the growing of cannabis during WW II, and even made movietone newsreel style growing guides. Of course if there is WAR PROFIT, it is a benign substance...but PEACE....ahh gotta clamp down. I lived in S. California when Ronnie Raygun was Gov. They began spraying paraquat all over the place, including over an international border (Mexico). Many people became ill and there was an outrage at the time. Many of my colleauges, Phd's and MD's, and Profesionals smoked back then and were horrified. None of them used cocaine, as it was refered to back then, or any other street drug. We didn't "hang out" with criminals or embark upon a life of crime. The medicinal benefits of cannabis are extraordinary, and it cannot be linked to lung cancer, as it is not a carcinogen like tobacco. As far as addiction is concerned it is a pretty weak argument. Big Pharma is fine with you being dependant on valium, or prozac, as long as you keep renewing the scripts, and ching ching ! I urge all to research more on any ingestable or consumable. Remember the rat poison (flouride) they told you was good for your teeth? If applied directly to teeth there is a slight preventative effect. But flouridating water?....I know of nobody that holds water in their mouth for more than the length of a swallow. Meanwhile it is a deadly poison and residual exposure is quite detrimental. Just a BS excuse to pollute and poison. Look it up.
 
  by: machiavelli     04/12/2007 06:37 PM     
  @andy68man  
 
You do make some good points,

But i genuinely believe it is easier for kids to get hold of pot than to get hold of beer.

I know 14 year olds who deal pot. And to be honest at the end of the day i'd rather the kids be smoking pot than smashing up playgrounds, damaging cars, etc. etc.

As for the previous guy who spoke about addiction not being there. That's not true. I know people who are completely addicted to weed. I smoke it pretty much everyday, but not obsesively. Whereas i know people who will wake up in the morning and if they can't have a spliff they will litterally shake all day, have cold sweats, vomit, be unable to sleep. And this can go on for days until they get their next hit.

I think too many pot smokers far too easily just class it as this miracle wonderdrug. We have to accept that although it does have many benefits, and feels very nice - hehe, it definately does damage. Especially to the memory and concentration sections of the brain. How do i know this? Because it did it to me...

Here's another thing to throw out there, the amount of people who think it's perfectly fine to smoke and drive, but would never drink and drive is quite alarming... any thoughts anyone?
 
  by: dook   04/12/2007 07:47 PM     
  @dook  
 
I said it was a weak argument, not that it wasn't there. Psycotropic use can easily develop dependancies, but without a full metabolic workup of the individual, and other factors such as diet, psychological state etc, etc;..would that individual react the same to a name brand pharmaceutical? as to memory loss, it is more likely the combination of other factors than cannabis. Alzheimers disease is much more prevelant in populations with flouridated water, than not. The SS used flouride in the labor camps to render the inmates "docile". As always one must remove the convenient sensationalized tidbits to get at the hard science. The link I posted before will give you lot's of information. In it's original edition the author offered $10,000.00 to anyone who could disprove his research, to date noone has collected. Harvard and Princeton both gave up the challenge.
 
  by: machiavelli     04/12/2007 08:00 PM     
  @machiavelli  
 
The flouride information provided is interesting, but, i'm not sure if it's still the case now but i know ten years ago it was, my entire country (England) uses flouridated water.

So when compairing yourself side by side to other people who don't smoke pot but lead pretty much the same life as yourself, well you get the idea...

I know there will always be other, outside factors which could very easily change things like this.

But in my own mind i believe cannabis has done a lot of damage... to my mind... haha
 
  by: dook   04/12/2007 08:04 PM     
  @fluoride experiments and THC  
 
I would believe this was actually the case if I could notice any difference whatsoever in cognitive functions during the times I drank tap water or I drank purified water. Also, as an excuse to say marijuana use is better is a very poor one.

Also the THC in cannabis acts on memory (the hippocampus), concentration (cerebral cortex), perception (sensory portions of the cerebral cortex) and movement (the cerebellum, substantia nigra, globus pallidus). I think you can imagine what effects those have on people.

The simple burning of marijuana produces an aromatic hydrocarbons which are well known to produce cancer. So you have that effect along with the fact it has over 400 different chemicals in it.
 
  by: kuhl   04/12/2007 08:43 PM     
  Vague allusions and sensationalism  
 
"Also the THC in cannabis acts on memory (the hippocampus), concentration (cerebral cortex), perception (sensory portions of the cerebral cortex) and movement (the cerebellum, substantia nigra, globus pallidus). I think you can imagine what effects those have on people."

Most prohibitionists rely on people to IMAGINE what effects they have, since data supporting the horror they dream up is curiously lacking. I could replace the words, "THC in cannabis" with "caffeine in Diet Coke," but if pressed for specifics, I'd have to admit that the effects I ominously hinted at were merely mild stimulation.

"The simple burning of marijuana produces an aromatic hydrocarbons which are well known to produce cancer. So you have that effect along with the fact it has over 400 different chemicals in it."

Oh dear, first we had "effects," now we have "chemicals." Any information on how many of those chemicals are harmful? How about how many of them are common in nature? Yeah, imagination sure plays a BIG part in such arguments.
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     04/13/2007 12:17 AM     
  @encore  
 
There is a link between drug use and crimes because most drugs being used are illegal in the countries that make that connection because it's the criminals, gangs, mobs, whoever that sell the stuff and it's not taxed.

It's illegal and has a connection to crime because that is the way the governments want it to be.

I personally don't do drugs, but that is the way I see it.
 
  by: ohioankev   04/13/2007 12:29 AM     
  @moment  
 
No, the point of the filtration of your nasal cavities and lung tissue is so that the 400 chemicals in nature don't get in your lungs to begin with causing a multitude of effects that I didn't go into because it seemed obvious. Once they get in there the chemicals can be wall off and cause granulomas and for the hydrocarbons... well you didn't even address that.

The effects caffeine has on the brain are do to the nicotinic receptors in our body. It has a stimulator effect on areas of the brain that contain that receptor and also of course the muscle tissue in our body. The THC receptors are specifically located in the brain in those regions. The cause drowsiness, decreased satiety, decreased alertness, decreased awareness, and problems with spatial and temporal awareness and of course that is at a mild dose. Some people have much stronger effects producing psychotic symptoms and memory loss.

My argument has absolutely nothing to do with anyones imagination other than your own. I presented what I said in the shortest way possible because I did not want to produce a huge list of effects or symptoms after THC consumption BECAUSE it is obvious after the regions before mentioned were spoken of. I DID not mention anything to do with the chemicals because it seemed obvious that they are detrimental to the body to anyone that knows basic human processes. The only allusion is the self perpetuation of your lie.
 
  by: kuhl   04/13/2007 12:32 AM     
  @kuhl  
 
Yes, yes, the "multitude of effects" are "obvious" to everyone...how many people have died from exposure to THC again? Clue: that's not "obvious," you will need to answer. Considering that countless legal drugs can be fatal, I would like to hear of some of these dire effects.

You seem to miss te point of my linking of substitution of caffeine with THC in your example. That is, just because something is psychoreactive does not mean there is cause for alarm, because most things we consume are also. In the end, after naming off all the receptors activated and effects of either caffeine or THC, the effect of both is still mild, temporary, and for the most part, harmless. That is, unless you run over a little girl while smoking out in the drive-thru while you should have been watching your baby sister who just drowned in the pool.

Yes, your argument has a lot to do with imagination. You infer but do not inform. You suspiciously avoid details like amount consumed or degree of impairment. Anyone who knows about bodily processes knows that we influence them in many ways over the course of the day and that this is not inherently harmful. Your allusions suggest otherwise and seem to intentionally mislead, but I'll stop short of returning your accusation of lying because I think you're probably just overzealous. Since we're getting into harm and no one addressed it, let me touch on this question:

"Also if marijuana is so safe and does not dramatically impair function why not spend your life smoking?"

To paraphrase, "If something is safe in moderation, why not use it to excess?" I don't think I need to point out how foolish such logic is, or what folly it is to try to blur the line between moderate and excessive engagement in ANY activity. This is, however, a perfect and typical example of the kind of fuzzy logic employed by people consumed by the reefer madness.
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     04/13/2007 01:07 AM     
  Correction to above  
 
"You seem to miss te point of my linking of substitution of caffeine with THC in your example."

Let me clarify that:

"You seem to miss my point in juxtaposing caffeine and THC as you describe it in your example above."
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     04/13/2007 01:15 AM     
  Stumbles  
 
@erasedgod: haha those anti-drug commercials disgust me; i cant believe my tax dollars go to support that sh*t.

@dook: I've driven blazed countless times with negligent difference in my safe driving capabilities. Albeit, not a great idea but i can maintain definite control of my vehicle. I've driven only once where i was considerably drunk and will never do that again; it was ridiculously more difficult.

I'm a holistic person, i won't even take Advil. But i enjoy smoking pot alone when im bored or with like-minded friends, especially camping! Philosophy, music, and food is on a whole other level when im high. The years of victimization and exaggeration of this drug is appalling. Its just not that big a f*cking deal.
 
  by: stumbles   04/13/2007 05:07 AM     
  @kuhl  
 
Is your data from the Nixon report?
Maybe you should try to collect the 10K.
The flouride toxins build up over time and are IRREVERSIBLE. If you are in drug prevention you should gladly take up with the nationwide efforts on this issue. People are being poisoned for profit, not by their own choice. Cannabis has the "LOWEST TOXICITY 100% of the studies done at dozens of American universities and research facilities show pot toxicity does not exist." (excerpt)

http://www.jackherer.com/...

read this... and disprove it.. and I will believe you. If you cannot, and I am quite confident that you will fail, please stop perpetuating unsubstantiated disinformation.
 
  by: machiavelli     04/13/2007 06:31 AM     
  @stumbles  
 
Degligent difference?

Could you explain to me exactly what effects pot has on you?

Because if it's anything similar to me, ie. lapse of concentration, slowed reactions, etc. then that seems like it could impair driving just a tad...
 
  by: dook   04/13/2007 09:37 PM     
  stoned people  
 
mostly get stopped for driving slow, not fast like a drunk donkey.
 
  by: unitybeing   04/13/2007 09:47 PM     
  @dook  
 
Regarding driving, when I was taking psychopharmocology our professor noted a study that was done comparing drunk and stoned driving, which indicated that impairment was not equivalent. He counted off several important skills impaired by alcohol, such as reaction time and object tracking, of which only one (tracking, as I recall) was noted to be significantly impaired by THC while all were by alcohol.

Does that make driving while stoned safe? Of course not, but the important lesson that when talking about drugs of any stripe, one must consider all variables. Your ability to concentrate may be reduced, but it may be increased for others because drug effect varies by person. The same ability may be reduced while sitting on your couch at home, but when performing a task like driving which is a trained skill and a very serious activity for most people, you may again find that ability increased because drug effect also varies by environment. By dose alone, marihuana can be alternately a sedative or a mild hallucinogen.

This is why vague terms by anti-drug propagandists infuriate me so. Drugs and drug abuse are not so simply assessed by the question of, "Are you using?"
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     04/13/2007 11:39 PM     
  Driving while blathering.....  
 
Until the studies include chubby blonde women on cell phones in SUVs there cannot be "danger rating" associated with cannabis. Millions upon millions of "legally high" drivers (valium,librium,zanex,prozac,celexa,welbutrin,
zoloft,etc etc...are a danger everyday.
Fast food has to be a large contributor to unsafe handling of motor vehicles, hands down. The biggest factor I feel is that as opposed to alchohol, most people who smoke a joint don't jump in the car and hop on the freeway, (as opposed to club hopping) They usually relax and get away from the chaos out there. Malls cause more accident by their proximity to suburban areas, (and chubby blonde women on cell phones in green SUVs).
 
  by: machiavelli     04/14/2007 12:12 AM     
  Im a weed smoker but  
 
"There's no safe level of cannabis use"

Is perfectly true, normally I disagree with the way anti drug campaigns are handled but at least the above statement was reasonable.

In england there is this group/campaign called talk to frank. It is really patronising, they lie and also promote the use of stereotypes all of which piss me off severely
 
  by: Oook!   04/14/2007 01:22 PM     
  dickhead  
 
Being a government official can turn you into a dickhead!
 
  by: poisonsushi   04/14/2007 06:21 PM     
  DAMM  
 
My new awareness group to combat unsafe pharmaceutically correct drivers.

Dads Against Medicated Mothers.

D.A.M.M.
 
  by: machiavelli     04/14/2007 06:50 PM     
  there is no safe level of cannabis use?  
 
as far as I know no one has ever proven that cannabis has any negative effects

in fact tests show that babies born from mothers who smoked pot during pregnancy are actually smarter!!

is this from the same propaganda tribe that said using cannabis will make you have predominantly more chest hair?

here is a question for you...

if tobacco is legal why is it illegal to grow it?

for the same reason cannabis is illegal

the govt cant tax it
 
  by: JulesLady     04/17/2007 07:24 PM     
  wow serislouy u guys  
 
the ppl who say pot is good or not harmless are really the 1s that are hurting and should open their eyes and see that u only spend money to get high for couple hours and then u get burnt out u start to turn mean have the times then u start to turn lazy reflexs its not worth it, weed is not adicting but it is something that ur body will get used to and u will become indepent on getting high or the weed.
 
  by: maryjane <5   04/17/2007 09:00 PM     
 
 
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