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06/24/2007 07:23 PM ID: 63218 Permalink   

Sources: Iraq War Means No Catholic Conversion for Blair

 

In the last official foreign visit by Tony Blair before leaving office as UK Prime Minister, the Pope is believed to have denied Blair's request to convert to the Catholic faith because of the Iraq war, church sources say.

The meeting was described by the Vatican as 'frank,' highly unusual language considering such meetings would normally be called 'cordial.' The encounter has been said to have contained 'unstinting criticism' for the out-going premier.

It is the Popes belief that a Catholic politicians public and private lives should not be separate entities. In this context, it would seem the Iraq war is seen by the Pope as one sin too far.

 
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This is the first time i read something about the current pope and like it!
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     06/24/2007 08:26 PM     
  Love it!  
 
I was so angry knowing that Blair was looking for media attention.
I have so much respect for this pope now.
But I bet the lying mouth Tony, will wheedle in somewhere for easy cash; he needs to he is in debt.
 
  by: captainJane     06/24/2007 08:34 PM     
  Easy cash?  
 
What easy cash does he need, he's got a 300k/year pension. Though I'm sure thats not enough for him.
 
  by: daniel2508     06/24/2007 09:39 PM     
  How many wars have Popes run?  
 
Crusades, expansion of Papel States, etc. I remember (not personally) the Children's Crusade where they recruited children to fight. Let he who is without sin. . . .
 
  by: walter3ca   06/24/2007 10:01 PM     
  What the Pope is saying  
 
Even though the Bible teaches forgiveness, there are exceptions to every rule and that his God won't forgive him for killing innocent people. Although I usually disagree with everything the Church does or says, I'm gonna have to side with the Pope on this one. Tony Blair, yous a douche
 
  by: qhobbes   06/25/2007 01:18 AM     
  Salvation...  
 
...for some. Religion is full of hypocrisy. Your attention and time is better served elsewhere.
 
  by: chaoticvengeance     06/25/2007 02:01 AM     
  @walter3ca  
 
Whereas it's common knowledge that a lot of crimes have been commited in the name of Christianity, and previous Popes have been directly responsible for wars and the death of thousands. I hardly see how you can blame those crimes, which were commited by others in the past, on the current Pope.
 
  by: rajah   06/25/2007 03:02 AM     
  @daniel2508  
 
His dear wife buying up luxury property has still got him in debt, this is why they are both doing all this running around the world to build up a celebratory statues they need cash, they will never have enough.

After this I want to meet this Pope.
 
  by: captainJane     06/25/2007 03:17 AM     
  Hold on  
 
With all due respect, I don't believe the source says that "the Pope is believed to have denied Blair's request to convert to the Catholic faith." It says that Blair told the Pope he wants to convert, and it says that the Pope likely took Blair to the woodshed over Iraq, but I don't believe it either states or even implies that the Pope told Blair he can't be a Catholic.

And as much as I hate the war and am disgusted with Blair, I'd be disappointed in the Pope if he denied Blair his wish. The Church is supposed to be all-inclusive, no matter what your past sins are -- hence the term 'catholic' ('universal').
 
  by: lĀ“anglais     06/25/2007 04:44 AM     
  Wait wait  
 
Since when can the pope refuse a conversion ? As far as I know, Blair can just ask any catholic priest to sprinkle some water over his head and tadaa, he's a catholic. Well it could be even easier to switch from protestantism to catholicism actually, since the two religions are so close...
 
  by: Schee   06/25/2007 05:05 AM     
  pwnd  
 
ha, excommunicated before he even joined the club. you've gotta love it.
 
  by: ManilaRyce     06/25/2007 06:09 AM     
  @captainJane  
 
I met the Pope last year when I went to Rome with my wife. He's not as cool as the last Pope IMO (not that I see the Pope as much more than a celeb) but it was nice meeting him, although I'm not sure he appreciated my camera-phone in his face :D
 
  by: Flashby     06/25/2007 09:28 AM     
  WOW  
 
All credit to the Pope!

I think it's true that Blair could convert if any Catholic priest let him, shouldn't think they'd go and directly disobay the Pope though.

The only reason it got as far up as the Pope is because Blair thinks he's above everyone else, and in some cases, bigger than God him/her self ("Thou shalt not kill" anyone?).

I've not been a fan of religion before, but I'm actually impressed, Blair deserves public damnation after killing as many as he has.
 
  by: Maxx20     06/25/2007 11:39 AM     
  Maybe it is not christian  
 
of the pope to deny (above arguments) but i LOVE the political message it gives out and who knows, maybe he will be officially made roman catholic but at least he knows what he did was wrong.
Sorry but the current pope is not on my favourites list thanks to all the political upheaval he has been doing since he started his new role.
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     06/25/2007 11:51 AM     
  The crusades  
 
"the Children's Crusade where they recruited children to fight."

French is a crap language, what with some inanimate objects being male, other female, ect ect.
Now, there are also rules relating to age and status, so, adult and child words.

At the time of the "childrens crusade" there were a lot of young poor people wandering France looking for odd jobs, and these were, derisivly called children.

It was these people that were sent on an attempted crusade, not actual little children.

In any event, what happened to them isnt recorded beyond reaching the port that would sail them to the holy land, so they probably ended up working docks.
 
  by: Gogevandire   06/25/2007 12:18 PM     
  Converting to Catholic....  
 
I just recently converted over to being a Catholic so I could get married into the church and let me tell you, they don't let just any Joe Blow into the church. I had to go through 6 months of classes before I was able to be considered a Catholic. With Catholics you can't just go up to the altar and say I wanna be a Catholic like you can with other religions, they make SURE your serious about it before you become one. So Tony Blair going up to the Pope saying he wants to convert over is BS let him do what the rest of us has to do and if he is serious about it, then let him be one but don't let this @$$ hole have special privileges cause he's on TV.
 
  by: rehmasyde   06/25/2007 03:15 PM     
  @rehmasyde  
 
According to a recent article by The Guardian:

"He has been attending Catholic mass, often with his family but also occasionally alone, since long before he became prime minister. His wife, Cherie, is a lifelong and practising Catholic, and in accordance with church rules their children have been brought up as Catholics and were sent to church schools."

Apparently he has been going to Catholic mass for over 10 years now so for him to be denied at this late stage must be a real kick in the holiest of holies, not that that bothers me.
 
  by: Flashby     06/25/2007 03:41 PM     
  @ Flashby  
 
I understand that, but when I took the class, there was people in there that was converting with me that had been going to the church longer than 10 years. Going to the mass is one thing but when you take the class it goes more into depth about the religion. There was things explained to me in the class that I didn't know about the religion and I had been going to the church for over a year before I converted.
 
  by: Rehmasyde   06/25/2007 03:48 PM     
  @flashby  
 
whether he's done those things or not is irrelevant to the conversion process, which is taking the sacraments of confirmation and communion. he won't be denied forever, but he can be withheld from proceeding in this process until he properly repents. if the pope doesn't think you're ready, then you have no choice but to do your penance.
 
  by: ManilaRyce     06/25/2007 03:55 PM     
  @Manila  
 
Wow, whats the going rate for lying to your nation, invading another country and killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians? Ten squillion Hail Marys and a few thousand Our Fathers??

I remember when I was a Catholic I used to get a heavy penance just for minor things (when I went to confession it was hard to think of things that were worth confessing, but the rabid Irish father would castigate me anyway). Gah, what a load of old crap.
 
  by: Flashby     06/25/2007 04:06 PM     
  @rehmasyde  
 
not all belief structures are easy to convert to, judasim is at least as hard to convert to
 
  by: ganjaman22     06/25/2007 05:28 PM     
 
 
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