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06/27/2007 05:11 PM ID: 63278 Permalink   

Hot Springs Police Officer in Hot Water

 

A Hot Springs Arkansas police officer is in a bit of hot water following the arrest of 6 skateboarders after video of the arrest was posted on YouTube. The video, taken by one of the accused, shows nearly the entire incident.

The video shows the officer grabbing the 13-year-old skater from behind, wrestling him to the ground, and choking him. One of the skaters started to come to the aid of his friend but ran when it became clear that his own safety was jeopardized.

Two of the skaters have been placed on house arrest because it is their second infraction. However, public outcry over the YouTube video has placed the officer on administrative leave. Skateboarding on Hot Springs Arkansas sidewalks is illegal.

 
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  by: tomblik     06/27/2007 05:12 PM     
  not a shocker  
 
I mean come on he should of at the most given them a ticket or at the worst confiscated their boards and made their parents come down to the station. I think he just got mad cause his fat @zz didnt want to run. Well at least the cops have the video to show how hardened these dangerous criminals are :P
 
  by: TruHawg   06/27/2007 06:08 PM     
  Yeah  
 
It was a bit out of line...choking the 13 y/o girl was stupid...I would have beat his *** if I was just standing on the sidewalk and he did that. Although the kids shouldn't have run from the cops (Which is stupid whenever anyone does) they didn't deserve that.
 
  by: ImportFanaticR34   06/27/2007 06:46 PM     
  pig  
 
this is why they are called pigs
 
  by: rj3000   06/27/2007 07:57 PM     
  This is why  
 
the victim should always be allowed to tape his own police encounters. If they didn't, the police would never have even investigated it. I don't say it should be allowed as testimony or whatever, but certainly as initial proof of wrong doing.
 
  by: seniorgato     06/27/2007 08:16 PM     
  Don't run if you got nothin' t' hide.  
 
.. now come here so I could choke whup your ass.
Maybe you'll make it through custody.. maybe you won't.

Pepperspray a McJobber
http://www.youtube.com/...


If your're running, no point surrendering
http://www.youtube.com/...


And if you got a camera, that's a crime too.
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/...


Police britality in elevator.
http://www.youtube.com/...


Actually, I'm trying to locate the footage of the man strangled in his jail by 6 police officers who then carried him out. Anyone got the link?
 
  by: redstain   06/27/2007 11:51 PM     
  that cop  
 
should be fired and send to jail for assaulting a minor. after seeing the videos that redstain posted links to, all i can say is that i feel much safer knowing that they give unstable individuals basically a license to kill.
 
  by: phobos_anomaly     06/28/2007 01:43 AM     
  Many cops are...  
 
just lawyer wannabees that cannot read well enough to be edicated scum.
 
  by: Rybeam   06/28/2007 02:42 AM     
  Okay..  
 
The police is not paid to take your shit. Officer is trying to do his job, and you start talking smack, getting in his way, becoming an obstruction to the performance of his job, you're going to get done for it.

No evidence from the clips available that the officer was choking the girl, an adult male is fully capable of restraining a person by their neck without cutting off air.

The dude is pissed, yeah, and that's bad, but its not as bad as being made out. We don't know what happened in the lead up, there's reference to the girl running, and to her fighting, if that's the case, I have no problem with the officer laying down the law to her.

Being a police officer is a shit of a job, and wank-off kids like these deliberately flaunting the cities rules just make the officers' jobs that much harder.

If the CITY says NO SKATEBOARDING you don't organise some sort of skate-a-thon, and expect not to get in trouble for it. If you're skating at all you have to know it's going to be risky.

As a result of their actions, they now face fines and a possible criminal record. Next time, hopefully, they'll let the officer do his job. If they have a complaint, they can take it up after.


Remember, police officers do not write the laws, and they have NO authority to pick and choose which ones to enforce.
 
  by: lauriesman     06/28/2007 03:34 AM     
  @phobos  
 
Police do NOT have a license to kill, they are explicitly bound by the legal doctrine of necessary force. Any officer using anything other than necessary force in any situation will face disciplinary action and possible suspension or termination.

An officer may only discharge his weapon in defense of his life, the life of a fellow officer, or of a civilian.
 
  by: lauriesman     06/28/2007 03:38 AM     
  @lauriesman  
 


I'd love to be there when you explain to this girl this cop had every right to do what he did to her. http://youtube.com/...

Maybe this guy deserved being beaten after being put in handcuffs, eh? http://youtube.com/...

Perhaps this girl deserved her stay in jail because the cops couldn't do their homework?
http://youtube.com/...

I would guess that, in your opinion, this guy deserved the general pounding that these two cops handed him
http://youtube.com/...

And this guy deserved his fate for carrying a cell phone?
http://youtube.com/...

I don't know what is worse, that people still support these..... things, or that none of them in these video's have ever been so much as reprimanded, let alone suspended or terminated.

"Any officer using anything other than necessary force in any situation will face disciplinary action and possible suspension or termination."
"An officer may only discharge his weapon in defense of his life, the life of a fellow officer, or of a civilian."

You must really think we are all so stupid that we would believe that all cops actually play by any rules layed down for them.
 
  by: phobos_anomaly     06/28/2007 04:44 AM     
  @phobos  
 
Do you know how many police there are in America? Do you have any compression of the amount of work each and every police officer does?

Sure, there are bad apples, but you know what? Those bad apples are everywhere. Kids on the street have their bad apples, teachers have their bad apples, priests have their bad apples, politicians have their bad apples, sings and musicians and actors have their bad apples. Humanity has its bad apples.

Yeah, there are cops that abuse their position, go over the top, but by and large they ARE sanctioned for it.

Now, you can show me a bunch of youtube clips, but I don't really see the relevance besides anecdotal evidence that yes, there are bad cops around.

This guy isn't one of them.
 
  by: lauriesman     06/28/2007 05:45 AM     
  @lauriesman  
 
are you on drugs? If you aren't, perhaps you should be. This cop is most definitely one of the bad apples. That video plainly shows him assaulting minors, grabbing several of them by the throat and then arresting the kid with the camera for recording it all.

And your right, I have no compassion for cops. The majority of them were beat up as kids and/or teenagers. Now as adults, they become cops and take their revenge out on everyone.
 
  by: phobos_anomaly     06/28/2007 07:16 AM     
  yep pigs  
 
most people are under the illusion that cops are your 'friends' no... they are there to arrest you... if they come to your house after your kid has been kidnapped and they find something illegal they WILL arrest you its their job... and yes i agree with the boy on the video the cop's time would be better spent tracking down real criminals and not harrassing minors on the street

i hope he loses his job... and gets arrested and pepper sprayed for something stupid... karma is a biatch
 
  by: JulesLady     06/28/2007 07:41 AM     
  @phobos_anomaly and @JulesLady  
 
"I have no compassion for cops" -- PA
"yep pigs - most people are under the illusion that cops are your 'friends' no..." -- JL
I certainly hope neither of you 2 ever call the police to ever come help you. After growing up around cops and knowing over 200, yes there are a very few bad apples, but over 99% do whatever they can to enforce the law and help you. People who take your attitude to police should lose the right to ever call on them for assistence. This cop is wrong and he will be punished, judging all police by this guys actions is the same as saying all Americas are the same as Bush etc. Which is simply stupid.
 
  by: ssxxxssssss   06/28/2007 08:20 AM     
  Wheres the earlier footage?  
 
Its easy to look like the victim when your the one with the camera.
 
  by: GogeVandire   06/28/2007 09:27 AM     
  Seems  
 
like an American problem in the main. The UK police are getting worse though, policing against the people.

I'm law abiding but I still feel that they're out to get me, waiting till I slip up and break the speed limit or something. The era of the 'accidental' criminal is here, I wouldn't assist a cop nowdays, any involvement with them just puts you at risk of being branded a criminal and carted off.
 
  by: Maxx20     06/28/2007 10:16 AM     
  In General  
 
In Missouri, certain citizens are afforded the right to carry a concealed weapon. I am one of these citizens. Had I witnessed this or had it been my child, I would have finally had a chance to use my right.

On another note, this cop needs to lay off the Krispy Kremes and get on to a treadmill. What an embarrassment.
 
  by: watchtower13   06/28/2007 10:25 PM     
  @lauriesman  
 
Quote: "The police is not paid to take your shit."

No. But, they ARE paid to take my shit. And anyone else's shit without losing their cool.
 
  by: watchtower13   06/28/2007 10:29 PM     
  @lauriesman  
 
A cop is paid to take our Sh!t dont our taxes pay their salery to make sure that we have a reasonable safe place to live. In stead half of the Jackasses just do what ever their Dumb ass wants and the others Go stupid for something as pedantic as skating on a sidewalk
 
  by: veya_victaous     06/29/2007 07:13 AM     
  @ssxx  
 
If you live in Australia how can you say our cops do anything.
They dont do aything but Revenue collection. I learnt long ago there is no point asking Cops for help. at 17 i had my first car stolen I reported it and when it was found I was fined because the theives left it in a tow away zone. On another ocassion when I knew who had broken into my home, the cops said they couldn't even investigate further unless I had more evidence. (beyond the broken window and the fact that if the pulled up who i said they would still have had my stuff on them)

Now I have learnt my lesson and never bother with Cops better off taking care of things your self, unless your rich or a pretty girl Cops give no help in Western Sydney.
 
  by: veya_victaous     06/29/2007 07:33 AM     
  @veya  
 
No, they aren't paid to take your shit.

The job description does not say "and taking shit from anyone". Police have a very defined role - To enforce the law.
 
  by: lauriesman     06/29/2007 07:59 AM     
  @veya  
 
Hearsay is not evidence. Police are bound by pretty strict stop and search rules, and requirements for search subpoenas. Just because you say "oh X person did it" doesn't mean police can just go up to X person, search them, and arrest them.

If you can give them some evidence, either a security camera, or personal belonging left at the scene, or anything that can be deemed evidence, then they can follow up on it.

Legally, it's all about evidence. If there isn't any, or it isn't reliable - there is nothing the police can do. That's to protect the populace from unearned harrassment, violation of privacy, illegal search and seizure etc.

God, I can't even begin to imagine what idiots like you would say if police actually could do what you are demanding for your case.
 
  by: lauriesman     06/29/2007 08:04 AM     
  @veya  
 
And I'll say again, police do not have the power to pick and choose which laws they feel are important to force - EXCEPT where empowered by legislation to do so (such as being able to give on the spot fines rather than arrest and prosecution). Police are not judges, they don't make the law, they don't revoke laws, they enforce them. If you're skating on the side walk and the law says not to, it is the police officer's DUTY to take action.

If you have a problem with the laws, take it up with the legislative officials, write a news paper article, start a campaign against it, but for God's sake let the police do their job and stop making it that much ******* harder. Considering what we pay them, it's a wonder we have any police at all.
 
  by: lauriesman     06/29/2007 08:09 AM     
  @veya  
 
Police - aside from traffic inspectors - are not empowered to give parking fines.

It seems to me that you have a really poor grasp on what police do and don't do, and what rules they are legally required to observe.

Too much law and order, CSI maybe.
 
  by: lauriesman     06/29/2007 08:10 AM     
  @lauriesman  
 
hearsay isn't evidence, but it can provide reasonable suspicion which will lead to searches which could lead to evidence.

Stop being a contrarian.
 
  by: jendres     06/29/2007 08:26 AM     
  @lauriesman2  
 
actually police can pick and choose. It is called police discretion. They can choose to issue a caution or to arrest you.

For example, the recent arrest of Chris Hudson. In this, it was pre-arranged that anyone who helped him during his run from the police would not face charges. Are you saying that the police HAD to arrest anyone who ever spoke to him during his flight? That they HAD to arrest they guy that drove him to the police station? No. Of course they don't. They exercised police discretion to ensure they arrested the greater threat to society.

I personally feel that this is a serious issue and police in america seem to have no discretion. Now I may just be seeing the bad side of things, but many issues I see posted on the news and even see on the TV, I just think, wtf are you guys doing?

Don't give me any crap about not knowing anything about the police either. I've worked for VicPol as a contractor. I've met my fair share of sworn members. I've seen and heard enough stories to form an opinion on this. I mean when no-one goes to jail when they find a cache of illegal guns in the plenum of the drug squad at St Kilda Rd, you can get a little suspicious. These same guns happen to end up in the hands of people that are shot by this same squad. And have you forgotten what the Qld police were like before the fitzgerald enquiry and the CSC was setup?

The thing is most of these small police forces scattered around the US, here in Victoria, and as they were in Qld are not held accountable. This is a general problem with the structure of the criminal justice system.
 
  by: jendres     06/29/2007 08:41 AM     
  CSC  
 
Actually it was the CJC and is now the CMC.

http://www.cmc.qld.gov.au/...
 
  by: jendres     06/29/2007 08:47 AM     
  "COPS"  
 
Anyone else waiting to see a episode entited "the ones that got away"?
They always manage to leave those clips out, shrug.
 
  by: thunderb3   06/29/2007 02:29 PM     
  Bigger Picture  
 
What an unfortunate situation to have occured in such a hospitable town as <a href="http://nativecuriosity.blogspot.com/... Springs, Ark.</a>, host to nearly 3 million visitors a year.

Tourists particularly enjoy our historic downtown district, stretched primarily along a 10-block section of Central Avenue. Sandwiched between two mountains, a row of eight bathhouses - named a Historic Landmark District - faces dozens of shops on the opposite side of the street. Hot Springs National Park, celebrating its 175th anniversary this year, comprises the entire area.

To protect pedestrian safety, the City of Hot Springs passed an ordinance prohibiting bicycles, skateboards, rollerskates, rollerboards and any similar apparatus in these clearly marked areas. Tom Daniels, president of the Downtown Merchants Association, says despite strategically placed signs designating the no-wheels zones, skateboarding violations have been an ongoing problem.

Most of the time, local police just ask the skoarders to move on, and they do. This time, however, at least one of violators had already been asked to leave Exhange Street Parking Plaza before he joined the group of two adults (ages 21 and 19) and four juveniles (three 16-year olds and one 13-year old) on Central Avenue. According to newspaper interviews, several of the group knew they were violating the ordinance, but were prepared to lose their boards and possibly pay a fine. After they taped the event.

Did the arresting officer perform his job appropriately? We'll see. Should young teenagers be hanging out with 19- and 21-year old adults who have nothing better to do than skate through downtown during the summer? Probably not. Hello p-a-r-e-n-t-s? Does Hot Springs need another skating venue to add to the nine parks and Hot Springs Greenway where skating is already allowed? That's being discussed.

Thanks for helping us let the world know this video is neither a complete account of the skateboarding incident nor an accurate portrayal of <a href="http://www.spavlogger.com/... City</a>, America's first resort.

Rebecca McCormick,
<a href="http://www.thenewsstar.com/... Writer and Photographer </a>
 
  by: NativeCuriosity   06/29/2007 06:23 PM     
  United Skates of America  
 

What an unfortunate situation to have occured in such a hospitable town as <a href="http://nativecuriosity.blogspot.com/... Springs, Ark.</a>, host to nearly 3 million visitors a year.

Tourists particularly enjoy our historic downtown district, stretched primarily along a 10-block section of Central Avenue. Sandwiched between two mountains, a row of eight bathhouses - named a Historic Landmark District - faces dozens of shops on the opposite side of the street. Hot Springs National Park, celebrating its 175th anniversary this year, comprises the entire area.

To protect pedestrian safety, the City of Hot Springs passed an ordinance prohibiting bicycles, skateboards, rollerskates, rollerboards and any similar apparatus in these clearly marked areas. Tom Daniels, president of the Downtown Merchants Association, says despite strategically placed signs designating the no-wheels zones, skateboarding violations have been an ongoing problem.

Most of the time, local police just ask the skoarders to move on, and they do. This time, however, at least one of violators had already been asked to leave Exhange Street Parking Plaza before he joined the group of two adults (ages 21 and 19) and four juveniles (three 16-year olds and one 13-year old) on Central Avenue. According to newspaper interviews, several of the group knew they were violating the ordinance, but were prepared to lose their boards and possibly pay a fine. After they taped the event.

Did the arresting officer perform his job appropriately? We'll see. Should young teenagers be hanging out with 19- and 21-year old adults who have nothing better to do than skate through downtown during the summer? Probably not. Hello p-a-r-e-n-t-s? Does Hot Springs need another skating venue to add to the nine parks and Hot Springs Greenway where skating is already allowed? That's being discussed.

Thanks for helping us let the world know this video is neither a complete account of the skateboarding incident nor an accurate portrayal of <a href="http://www.spavlogger.com/... City</a>, America's first resort.

Rebecca McCormick,
<a href="http://www.thenewsstar.com/... Journalist and Photographer </a>
 
  by: NativeCuriosity   06/29/2007 08:20 PM     
  i wonder  
 
if the town thought about setting up a skate park instead?
 
  by: jendres     06/29/2007 11:58 PM     
  @jenders  
 
Google searches turned up 2 skate parks in hot springs AR. I don't skate but they didn't sound all that impressive *shrug*

The kids here knew what they were doing was wrong. They did it on purpose to get a tape. I don’t have a heck of a lot of sympathy for people who knowingly flaunt the law and are looking to provoke a response.

As far as I can tell the police officer was probably doing his job with the first kid. A bit heavy-handed sure, but it looked like the result of a pretty standard take-down of someone who was running or resisting. After that though it looks like he over-reacted.

The kids should not have run though. Cops don't like it when they have to chase you and are going to treat you rougher once they catch you. He was also operating while severely outnumbered. That does not excuse his over-reaction but it does at least explain it some.

The kids should be fined and made to write an essay or something. The officer should be disciplined and forced to retake threat escalation training or whatever their police department calls it if he wants to keep his job. Whichever officer threatened to use pepperspray should be similarily disciplined.
 
  by: Dedolito     06/30/2007 12:43 AM     
  yeah so i needed to call the police this week  
 
after some maniac trashed my yard with toilet paper and destroyed my mailbox (a federal offence TAMPERING WITH THE MAIL!!) and so what did they do?

NOTHING

yeah they are having problems at the moment the town's only working police car is out of action....

someone stole the lights and radio....
 
  by: JulesLady     07/02/2007 10:35 AM     
  i thought i should point out...  
 
that last bit was not a joke... thats for real!!

also about 30 houses were hit not just mine...
 
  by: JulesLady     07/02/2007 10:37 AM     
  Law  
 
So when someone breaks the law,and runs off from a police officer..everyone supports the criminal/s?
Granted the video footage only shows the officer "allegedly choking" the suspect..it doesn't show what happened before.
Soo...are you going to run from the law next time a police officer tells you to stop?..even if your innocent?
 
  by: akmarksman   07/03/2007 09:52 PM     
 
 
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