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07/12/2007 10:48 PM ID: 63590 Permalink   

Old Testament Figure Confirmed

 

Michael Jursa, associate professor at the University of Vienna, recently uncovered a stone tablet dating back to 595 B.C.

Cuneiform inscriptions show a reference to an official at the court of Nebuchadnezzar.

The tablet names a Babylonian officer called Nebo-Sarsekim who was present in 587BC when Nebuchadnezzar sacked Jerusalem. It is rare evidence in a non-biblical source of a real person, other than kings, featured in the Bible.

 
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  That's pretty cool.  
 
Of course Christians will now point out that this is evidence for the Bible's authenticity.

They're like children sometimes.
 
  by: p_g_chris   07/13/2007 12:32 AM     
  Some may  
 
but some (Christians) realize....
Either you know YHWH or you don't. If you do, there's no amount of 'proof' that can disprove the Bible, if you don't, no amount will prove it. Christians don't use the Bible to believe in God, because they believe in God, they believe the Bible...we're 'peculiar' that way.
 
  by: crosimoto     07/13/2007 01:10 AM     
  @chris  
 
Actually, that would seem to be what it is. Those who would say it proves the Bible is true would be grossly overexaggerating, but it suggests the Bible has some roots in historical fact. It's also not the first piece of evidence to that effect.
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     07/13/2007 01:11 AM     
  lewl  
 
Also has roots in historical fact: DaVinci Code. :[

Anyway religion is just a lot of people claiming to know things that they can't know. And that is the problem with atheism as well but I guess it gets a pity point for being less whimsical.
 
  by: Fratley   07/13/2007 01:28 AM     
  @Frat  
 
Whimsy maketh the world go round.
 
  by: lauriesman     07/13/2007 01:40 AM     
  @crosimoto  
 
actually many if not the majority of believers don't believe because THEY believe, they believe because they've been indoctrinated/taught to believe, namely from childhood, before they are old enough to understand what they are believing or if it even makes sense much like santa... infact santa, the easter bunny, the toothfairy are all the same as far as i'm concerned the only difference is that the design of the beleif isn't specifally meant for a specific age grouping (children) and not meant to be grown out of as the others inherently are destined to be.

personally i think "god" is the symptom of mass delusion, in the form of people needing something to explain that which they do not understand. mass delussion is not unfounded what so even take the london bombing for instance, shortly london turned into a mob scene, anyone remember the brazilian guy that that was assassinated by a group of people brandishing weapons on the street yelling and chasing him, later turns out they were undercover cops, hundreds of people in london "distinctly saw" a middle-east guy in a bubble jacket (winter coat) and wearing a "bomb belt", while in actuallity he was a brazillian guy wearing a denim jacket and a lether belt... but due to the state of being in the world people "saw" what they were in essense told to see by a conditioning of fear.

personally i'd like to see what would happen if you isolated a group of people from birth and gave them no knowlege of any form of religion... i would bet atleast 90% die without any form of belief in "god" and the remaining percentage all end up believing in different forms of religion without much or any corralation from one beleif to the next.
 
  by: havoc666     07/13/2007 01:44 AM     
  @fratley  
 
i think atheism is the only place to place my chips where the evidence is non-existant for "god" whereas you can't disprove anything which does not exist, IE you can't prove a negative.

in other words would it be logical to believe in goblins and orcs when theres no proof for them but at the same time of nothing to disprove them either as a negative cannot be proven.
 
  by: havoc666     07/13/2007 01:51 AM     
  @ havoc  
 
".... they've been indoctrinated/taught to believe, namely from childhood...."

I'll testify to that as truth ...... I experienced it.

Huh, imagine that, a thread about Xtianity, and I'm not gonna rant !!
DAJG will be so proud of me !! lol
 
  by: Discarded Vet   07/13/2007 05:44 AM     
  @havoc  
 
"indoctrinated"

The majority of Christians (and I dare say it's true for any religion really) lose their initial innocent belief between the ages of 14 and 19, some take a little longer, but almost every adult Christian has at some point given up their "learned" faith. The overwhelming majority of adult Christians came to their belief by paths other than childhood education - which though it may have left a possible affinity for Christianity, did not lead to that belief.
 
  by: lauriesman     07/13/2007 07:42 AM     
  @havoc666  
 
Your statement in you first paragraph is very true.

The majority of the human population is brought up in the religion (or in some cases no religion) of their parents. They go through life accepting that staus quo.

Your second paragraph is your own opinion which is fair enough.

Your third paragraph is a difficult one. However, it may interest you to know that when "civilised" man came in contact with the forest tribes of Brazil (Yanomani) they found something quite interesting.

They found that though they did not have any form of recognized religion, they did have an inate understanding of a great spirit that directed their affairs.

Islam also teaches that everyone is born with an inate knowledge of GOD (this is termed Fitrah in Arabic). You could call this a pre-disposition towards GOD.

Islam also teaches that all children are innocent and it is only when you reach the age of reason, that you are expected find GOD through your own endeavours using your GOD given intellect and reasoning.

Thus there is no reckoning / accountability in the afterlife for children who are deemed innocent, but there is for adults.

Just as the Law says ignorance is no excuse GOD also says the same to all those adults who go through life not searching for answers and accepting their status quo.

GOD says there is ample evidence of his existence in the World around you for you to find him. Seek and you shall find him. If you look at human history you will that GOD has always been there and this is no accident.

Atheism is pure and simply a process of denail and mass delusion in the opposite way.

You could say atheists are effectively burying their heads in the sand and refusing to look at the creators evidences with their GOD given intellect and reason. This is taking the easy way out as reasearch (you personal journey) to get at the truth is hard work.
 
  by: mosaddique   07/13/2007 10:33 AM     
  Religion, Faith, Belife  
 
Religion is designed to give faith to those who do not have faith in themselves.

And let me tell you all of those Sunday Christians, Greed mongering Jews, And Hate breeding Muslims, just use religion as an excuse to feel better about the hypocrisies and indecencies they preform on their fellow man, because they know it will be all good after they tell their GOD.

I can't speak for Jews or Muslims beyond that but in the Christian religion the ONLY unforgivable sin is to deny the Holy Ghost. Rape, pillage, plunder, kill, lie, cheat, steal, just don't DENY god, confess your sins on Sunday, and you'll be just fine.
Why do you think so many mobsters/mafia are Catholic?
 
  by: netwerk     07/13/2007 02:05 PM     
  @mosaddique  
 
"Your third paragraph is a difficult one. However, it may interest you to know that when "civilised" man came in contact with the forest tribes of Brazil (Yanomani) they found something quite interesting.

They found that though they did not have any form of recognized religion, they did have an inate understanding of a great spirit that directed their affairs."

actually that would be a form of religion by very definition its a system of beleifs, esspecially pretaining to the afterlife, and again its taught generation to generation. its not an isolated awareness which is common to the people, its an indoctrination as its taught, likely from childhood as most cultural religions are.

"Islam also teaches that everyone is born with an inate knowledge of GOD (this is termed Fitrah in Arabic). You could call this a pre-disposition towards GOD."

and islams is a what religion... oh yes its TAUGHT, their bible may say every child is predispositioned to believe in "god" but in no way is that true.

"Islam also teaches that all children are innocent and it is only when you reach the age of reason, that you are expected find GOD through your own endeavours using your GOD given intellect and reasoning."

if only that had basis is reality, but if it did islam wouldn't be a taught religion it simply would just be there wouldn't be a book about about to convince/teach people the religion, and being a theistic religion it outright negate other religions (aside from christianity, catholism and judaism which all believe in the same though a slight variant of the same "god") religion isn't universal which rule out the likihood of a theistic religion being the "correct" religion, as that would suppose that everyone believe int other religion is under delusion and if you can believe that about the religion which don't favor your belief how would that make your religion anymore credible

"Thus there is no reckoning / accountability in the afterlife for children who are deemed innocent, but there is for adults."

lets assume for a second there was a "god" do you really think a being of such nature would gives a rats ass about how old someone is.. look at it think way would you hold a retarded (genuinely retarded, not just a clever adjective...lol) adult responsible over a children who is reasonably cognitive at say age 8 (this was the age at which i read, laughed at; figuatively speaking and threw away and cognitive "became" an athiest, though i never did have belief in "god")

"Just as the Law says ignorance is no excuse GOD also says the same to all those adults who go through life not searching for answers and accepting their status quo."

well i've been searching for over a decade and the long i live the more firmly entrenched athiesm is in me... i put more credibiliy in actualy vampires, ghosts and esspecially alien than i do in "god" there is some level of evidence for all three, but "god" isn't subject to requiring any kind of evidence, namely because religion indoctrinated the belief that its wrong to question "god" or holy text.

and btw i don't believe in vampire or ghost, though i do believe in aliens, as this one planet house millions of species while there is for all intensive purposes a countless amount of solar systems foreign to our own any of which could have life on own of their planet.. and who known extraterrestrial life may not be carbon based or even based on CHON for that matter CHON stands for carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen the primarly elements of earth

"GOD says there is ample evidence of his existence in the World around you for you to find him. Seek and you shall find him. If you look at human history you will that GOD has always been there and this is no accident."

if you look at human history you would also note that there are more "god" in religion thats have died out than their are currently in existance (barring the countless hindu "gods" possibly).

"Atheism is pure and simply a process of denail and mass delusion in the opposite way.

You could say atheists are effectively burying their heads in the sand and refusing to look at the creators evidences with their GOD given intellect and reason. This is taking the easy way out as reasearch (you personal journey) to get at the truth is hard work.""

athiests are essentially a persons that say i will not believe it as it cannot be proven real... do you worship santa too?

creators evidences...lol this should be good, shall i get out the laughing gas now or later?

hey i'm all ears about evidence, just check the religious rhetoric at the door, if you can't prove "god" on a scienctific level you should use the word evidence as what you then have is faith and faith and evidence don't and can't mesh faith is by definition devoid of proof

truth is hard work... personally i always found lying to be hard work... its incredibly hard to prove a lie whereas as truth can be observed readily by anyone, this is m
 
  by: havoc666     07/13/2007 03:46 PM     
  @havoc666  
 
I hope you did not misunderstand me.

First before I come to my point let me say that the Islamic view of GOD and his message is that there is only one GOD and there has only ever been one message which unfortunately man has corrupted over time and thus GOD kept sending messangers to refresh his message to mankind.

The individual doing his research would have to filter through the "noise" of corruption to find and get to the essence of this message.


Secondly your point about holding a retard responsible over a child is equally valid. When you write a pice you cannot dot every I and cross every t. It is only those who are in full command of their faculties (senses and intellect) who will be judged.


Now to your response:

I was not advocating a particular religion or no religion. That is for the individual to decide.

My point putting it differently is this.

Imagine for a moment that there is a GOD and that there is an afterlife (you may want to take your lauging gas now and ignore the rest of this post).

If that afterlife is an eternal one and it has two possible outcomes one good (heaven) and one bad (hell).

Do you then not owe it to yourself to make sure that you do your research thoroughly and make the right life choice?

When you get there (if it exists) then it will be too late.

Can you afford to leave it to chance?

There is an old saying that goes "You make your own bed and lie in it". And so it is with Religion or No religion.

Anyone who makes that journey of research will hopefully be guided by his own intellect and reason (if he does it objectively) to the right result.

As for the rest of us in relation to that individual it does not matter who he / she chooses. We have to respect their choice which may be for Religion (does not matter which) or no religion.

I hope that is much clearer.
 
  by: mosaddique   07/13/2007 04:29 PM     
  @netwerk  
 
"I can't speak for Jews or Muslims beyond that but in the Christian religion the ONLY unforgivable sin is to deny the Holy Ghost. Rape, pillage, plunder, kill, lie, cheat, steal, just don't DENY god, confess your sins on Sunday, and you'll be just fine.
Why do you think so many mobsters/mafia are Catholic?"

actually thats close, infatc closer than most people that claim to know the bible ever land to the mark... the only unforgivable sin is not denying the holy ghost, but rather blasphemy of the holy ghost like for instance "**** the holy ghost"... looks like i'm going to hell...lol
 
  by: havoc666     07/13/2007 06:16 PM     
  @mosaddique  
 
You hit the nail right on the head!

As Havoc has stated, most religious believers of any religion are usually started young as children, before they have fully developed a sense of reason. However this isn't required to get someone to believe.

This will do the trick:
"If that afterlife is an eternal one and it has two possible outcomes one good (heaven) and one bad (hell).

Do you then not owe it to yourself to make sure that you do your research thoroughly and make the right life choice?

When you get there (if it exists) then it will be too late.

Can you afford to leave it to chance?"

That fear that religion installs in a person who is in a frgile state trying to search for a purpose in this life will almost always create a sense of faith in some type of God. And that same fear is what pastors use Sunday after Sunday in churches all around the world.
 
  by: kcking05     07/13/2007 07:01 PM     
  @mosaddique  
 
"I hope you did not misunderstand me."

likewise

"First before I come to my point let me say that the Islamic view of GOD and his message is that there is only one GOD and there has only ever been one message which unfortunately man has corrupted over time and thus GOD kept sending messangers to refresh his message to mankind."

and what about all the "gods" that existed prior to the islamic/christian/jewish/catholic "god"

its all fine and well to say theres only one "god" but that "god" has the samne zero amount of proof as any other "god" and is there equally believable/unbelieve the only difference being what you've been taught to know of "god".

"The individual doing his research would have to filter through the "noise" of corruption to find and get to the essence of this message."

screw the message... i just want someone to prove theres a "god" if (and thats a pretty big if) "god" were ever proven i would have no choice as a person of logic but to believe in "god" though i would never worship such theres but one thing in this world worthy of my worship (excluding the computer..lol) and thats the image i see i nthe mirror every day... that is my "god".

"Secondly your point about holding a retard responsible over a child is equally valid. When you write a pice you cannot dot every I and cross every t. It is only those who are in full command of their faculties (senses and intellect) who will be judged."

but then in that case most children would be judge, by my example i was clearly cognitive by age 8 which is universially pretty much age to be an age of childhood... a retard is also in control of his faculties though their faculties are impaired though through no fault of their own unlike that of a drunkard.


"Now to your response:

I was not advocating a particular religion or no religion. That is for the individual to decide."

well i personally advocate no religion, so by proxy i advocate atheism or atleast agnosticism (sp?)... i have a religion though i remain an athiest... not all religion involve dieties.

"My point putting it differently is this.

Imagine for a moment that there is a GOD and that there is an afterlife (you may want to take your lauging gas now and ignore the rest of this post)."

ah but wheres the fun in ingoring it... i fully capable of entertianing a thought without accepting it.

"If that afterlife is an eternal one and it has two possible outcomes one good (heaven) and one bad (hell)."

funny you mention this at one point in my life about 6 years ago i wrote an article about my views on "god/devil", "good/evil" and "heaven/hell/purgatory"... i believe them to be perception of reality rather than an afterlife existance.. but entertianing the thought...

"Do you then not owe it to yourself to make sure that you do your research thoroughly and make the right life choice?"

i believe i have, and did so at a remarkably earlt age, in the 14 years since then i have not seen even the slightest shed of evidence pointing towards a "god", unlike many religious people i do not let my ignorance the world and the universe influence my supernatural beliefs, or therefor lackof in my case, i believe every question has a rational logical answer, its this stance of scienctific thought thats debases the chance of my belief in "god" or "gods". also i don't accpet the bible of religious text as proof because they are self proving in nature, if books were proof of reality the LOTR fanclub would be in heaven (so to speak) with all the elf and orc friends... similarly i could write a book call it HAVOC's bible proclaim myself to be "god" and it infact of more proof than religion simply for the fact that i can actaully prove my own existance... something "god's" been having trouble with...lol

"When you get there (if it exists) then it will be too late.

Can you afford to leave it to chance?"

yes, frankly i can, i can live with being wrong, i can't live with lying to myself...

a brilliant playwrite once said "to thine own self be true"

"There is an old saying that goes "You make your own bed and lie in it". And so it is with Religion or No religion."

indeed... but its a unlikely seemingly (logically speaking) impossible consequence i will "risk".

think of it this way, say there is a "god" and a day of judgement, do you honestly think a person would be condemned to "hell" for requiring evidence when most religions outright tell you not to worship false "god" otheir own "god" excluded of course... do you really think that people that follow religion mindlessly, and from as far as i can see this is a clear majority or a person who faith is not enough for, so basically any person of a scientifically natured mind, a person whom questions thing rather than being spoon fed on sunday mornings.

do you honestly think a perfect or atleast highly intelligible super-being would value a religous person who just merely believes rather than a non-believe
 
  by: havoc666     07/13/2007 07:12 PM     
  continuation  
 

do you honestly think a perfect or atleast highly intelligible super-being would value a religous person who just merely believes rather than a non-believer who has genuinely live a good life and not an entirely self-serving life.

religion has clearly gone off course from a guide to good living (though even that is highly debatable given things like the OT which now adays is often ignored people people whose religion is essentially based on it, IE you cannot believe the NT without believe the OT (a chapter in mattew confirms this in starting off as "i have not come to abolish the laws nor the prophets but to fullfill them)... it seems religion is now a popularity contest though thought for more centuries than i have digits (fingers and toes) to count on religion has been a system of control, much the same as government infact i will bet modern religion is a direct spin-off of the governments of the time... as for some people "the law says" isnt enough... but when you replace "law" with "god" it suddenly means something to people that law does, of course not all people... some people don't much care about either...

in my opinion a truely "good" person would live by either, not cognitively anyhow but would still follow most of the basic concepts present in most religion... like not murdering, stealing, ect... namely social eddicate... and even this too is taught...

we are not born knowing killing/stealing is wrong, these are socially taught though not nessecarily by religion or law, though both do teach these things

"Anyone who makes that journey of research will hopefully be guided by his own intellect and reason (if he does it objectively) to the right result."

but then there you create a paradox, i believe myself to have right result, but believer also do... and frankly only one side can be right as far as reality goes, but then that leads right have to mass delusion.

"As for the rest of us in relation to that individual it does not matter who he / she chooses. We have to respect their choice which may be for Religion (does not matter which) or no religion.

I hope that is much clearer."

i have no problem respecting religious people, its the ignorant things they have a tendancy to say that i cannot respect, but that goes for people of any religion and people without religion, for example if you were to say the earth was flat or cubed rather than spherical, i would not be able to respect you on a level of cognitive thaught as you would then have demonstated it being in lacking.
 
  by: havoc666     07/13/2007 07:12 PM     
  Ahh  
 
Religion and politics. The two subjects that never win anyone over to the other side of the argument.
 
  by: JonSmith     07/13/2007 07:39 PM     
  We'll see havoc  
 
I'll spare us all the long run of the mill theological ideologies with statistics that are always attacked as slanted to try and make a point that gets more taken out of context than taken seriously; bottom line; If when we die, nothing happens....you win.
 
  by: crosimoto     07/13/2007 11:34 PM     
  @crosimoto  
 
i never looked at it in terms of winning or losing,.. but in the end if i'm right we all lose, don't we...lol

its not the most pleasant outlook on life to be sure, but reality is rarely pleasant... infact its generally quite blunt like a club to the head...lol
 
  by: havoc666     07/13/2007 11:57 PM     
  @havoc666  
 
I can see you are a person who has made up his mind.

My posting while addressing you was not personally aimed at you it was a more general comment.

Your question
"and what about all the "gods" that existed prior to the islamic/christian/jewish/catholic "god""


You seem to have misunderstood my first paragraph. GOD is the same GOD regardless of which names or attributes the different faiths give him. The fact he appears different is because of mankinds own corruptions.

You ask:
"think of it this way, say there is a "god" and a day of judgement, do you honestly think a person would be condemned to "hell" for requiring evidence"

The answer is no. However, if the evidence is there (I am not trying to furnish it here) then you could be condemned for ignoring it.

you ask:
"do you honestly think a perfect or at least highly intelligible super-being would value a religous person who just merely believes rather than a non-believer"
The answer again is no. In Islam expressing belief is just the beginning. It does NOT guarantee salvation. Acceptance of Islam requires one to submit himself to GODs commands and Strictures. Let me explain.

GODs command and strictures are divided into two main domains.

1. The rights of GOD
2. The rights of fellow man

The rights of GOD are that he be worshipped as he wishes. He does not want anything else from Mankind.
In the Quran GOD says:
"And I (Allah) created not the Jinn and mankind except they should worship Me (alone). I seek not any provision from them nor do I ask that they should feed Me. Verily, Allah is the All-Provider, Owner of Power, the Most Strong." [51:56-58]"

The rights of fellow man needs no explanation.
Family members have rights over you as you have over them.
Your Relatives have rights over you as you have over them.
Your neighbour has rights over you as you have over them.
Your society has rights over you as you have over them.
and so on

Islam says that ALL MANKIND IS LIKE A FAMILY and it can only look after the peace and security of each other only if it lives like a close-knit family. Sadly this is not the case in the modern world we inhabit. The apparent differences in mankind are only for identification as to who is European who is Asian and who is African. As humans we are all the same and a person in Africa has the same sentiments as those of a person in Europe. Peace and security can only prevail when each others’ sentiments are cared for.

On the day of judgement each one of us will be held to account for our actions in this world. This is what we will be judged on.
Thus even if you were a believer, you could be condemned to hell for having lived a sinfull life in which you trampled over
other peoples rights for your own comforts and interest.

GOD says he is loving and merciful and so long as man continually tries to fullfil GODs rights and occassionally strays he will be inclined to forgive him.

However, in relation to the rights of fellow man GOD says that forgiveness can only come from the one who was wronged. Thus it is important for a believer to respect the rights of others and to give them their full due. GOD does however encourage us all to be forgiving towards others as that is more likely earn GODs forgiveness.

So as you can see that unlike in Christianity where salvation is only linked to belief, In islam belief is only the start of a relationship with GOD and fellow man which when correctly discharged leads to salvation.


You say:
"but then there you create a paradox, I believe myself to have right result, but believer also do... and frankly only one side can be right as far as reality goes, but then that leads right have to mass delusion."

While you are right in what you are saying, Does it matter what anybody else thinks?
The important thing is that you have undertaken your own journey and come to your own conclusions which you are happy with.

Why should it be so difficult to accept each others differences and live together peacefully while giving each other their due rights?

Finally a secular society which does not recognise GOD also needs to function. To do this it creates a system of rules and checks and balances to allow civil society to function and not to fall into anarchy. Even in such a society if all members were atheists it would still not be possible to create a set of rules that every one will agree on. This is why we have the Judiciary and Police force which essentially forces the majority view in a democratic society.

Sadly in the modern world a secular society is based on self interest and is not of universal character. This then ends in the usurpation of the rights of others who do not form part of your society. Such a society can never be just and can therefore not be a source of peace.

GODs message on the other hand is universal and if mankind were to accept it than it is more likely to lead to a more just society and a society at peace with itse
 
  by: mosaddique   07/14/2007 01:55 AM     
  @mosaddique  
 
"You seem to have misunderstood my first paragraph. GOD is the same GOD regardless of which names or attributes the different faiths give him. The fact he appears different is because of mankinds own corruptions."

actually i was more refering to religion with multiple dieties rather than theistic religions.

"The answer is no. However, if the evidence is there (I am not trying to furnish it here) then you could be condemned for ignoring it."

ample evidence is all i require to believe in "god" but even if i could bring myself to believe "god" given evidence i still would not worship.

"The answer again is no. In Islam expressing belief is just the beginning. It does NOT guarantee salvation. Acceptance of Islam requires one to submit himself to GODs commands and Strictures. Let me explain.

GODs command and strictures are divided into two main domains.

1. The rights of GOD
2. The rights of fellow man"

well i'm screwed...lol as again i couldn't bring myself to worship such a being.. i do not need nor want a master... i am my own.

"While you are right in what you are saying, Does it matter what anybody else thinks?
The important thing is that you have undertaken your own journey and come to your own conclusions which you are happy with."

but the point od that wasn't whether people agree of not, simple that if i am right every religion involving dieties is inherently wrong as we share directly opposing stances.

"GODs message on the other hand is universal and if mankind were to accept it than it is more likely to lead to a more just society and a society at peace with itself"

but on the other hand lets not forget the many societies which embrace "god's" message most litterally are someof the most violent societies in existance.. even if it is only a very small minority that was genuinely violent.... dozens of wars have been fought over "god" and "his" message... in an atheist society thats one less thing to fight over.

though i'm sure we all know that no religion commits war but rather the followers of such religions... for instance islam and christianity have a very violent history, esspecially against each other and to this day religion is still something both side fight over though it usually not the sole reason, throw oil (or anything else of great value) into the mix and a religious war has all the kindling it needs... yet in actually they are basically the same religion and follow the same "god", just by another name.
 
  by: havoc666     07/14/2007 02:31 AM     
  @havoc666  
 
"actually i was more refering to religion with multiple dieties rather than theistic religions."

I am including those in the corruption of the one only message.

"but the point od that wasn't whether people agree of not, simple that if i am right every religion involving dieties is inherently wrong as we share directly opposing stances."

Fine so long as live and let live.

Finlly in regards to your last two paragraphs:

It is not religion that is the source of conflict but politics.

If religion was to disappear of the map today mankind would still fight.

The main causes are human greed. Even today in our world one section of society blames another section in order to steal their resources.

What you see being played out today in the Middle East, Africa and Latin America is NOT religion but the west using its might to steal other peoples resources.

The rest Islamic fundamentalism, Right wing Christian fundamentalism, terrorism, etc is a cloak and a red herring.

Also what you see in western politics is vested interests (big business et all) loading the dice of politics in their favour. The common man in the street is forced to pay taxes and yet big business and their political cronies engineer the system to allow them to get away with paying none or minimal taxes by using creative accounting. Again this is about greed and NOT religion.

You only have to see people like green peace, , the protestors at G8 and in Washington to see that these powerfull elite is western politics are only looking after themselves (greed again).

TYhe only difference is that in the people in the west have something (and therefore something to lose). Like homes, jobs, possessions, etc. For this reason they do not revolt. In any case they are pacified by a ritual exercise of democracy and voting once in 5 years.

Whereas in the third world they have nothing (and therefore nothing to lose). They vent their anger at the unfair state of the world and use whatever means they can to try and get redress from which the western dominated system has in effect locked them out.

I see no religion as the cause in all this but greed pure and simple.


 
  by: mosaddique   07/14/2007 12:14 PM     
  mosaddique  
 
Just checking. Where is YOUR democracy that votes every FIVE(5) years? We inthe U S vote every FOUR years and every TWO years in some cases but have not heard of an election every five years.
 
  by: old man   07/14/2007 07:10 PM     
  @old man  
 
In the UK the maximum term of office for an elected government is 5 years.

General elections are held after Parliament has been ‘dissolved’, either by a royal proclamation or because the maximum term between elections – five years – has expired. The decision on when to hold a general election is made by the Prime Minister.

In practice due to political considerations and strategy quite often prime ministers will not wait for the full term and call an election earlier.

I do appreciate that the US presidential elections are every 4 years. I used 5 years in my post due me being UK based. Perhaps I should have said 4/5 years to be more accurate.
 
  by: mosaddique   07/15/2007 01:07 AM     
  @havoc666  
 
Don't be fullish, family gives you structure, for some people christianity is part of that structure. When a person becomes an adult, its there choice as to what religion they choose to fallow or not fallow as the case may be. Don't assume that your the only one who has it all figured out, and try practicing some humility from time to time.
 
  by: shoezacks   07/15/2007 09:57 AM     
  @shoezacks  
 
" Don't be fullish, family gives you structure, for some people christianity is part of that structure. When a person becomes an adult, its there choice as to what religion they choose to fallow or not fallow as the case may be. Don't assume that your the only one who has it all figured out, and try practicing some humility from time to time."

lol, sounds like you still haven't figured it out... by the time most people are capable of thinking rationally and logically religion has already been indoctrinated as fact rather than belief because of that structure...

you ask me to try some of that humility i ask you try some thinking.

if you spend 15-20 years indoctrinating a person to believe 2+2=5, do you expect then to just realize or choose to think by the time they're an adult to just somehow know that 2+2=4... no of course not they are going to believe what they been taught to know.
 
  by: havoc666     07/15/2007 04:29 PM     
 
 
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