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Marine on Trial for Shooting Iraqi

 

Cpl Marshall Magincalda was on trial after he and 3 other marines seized the neighbor of a suspected insurgent. Hashim Ibrahim Awad was driven from his home near Baghdad and shot 3 times in the head by the squad leader and 7 times by another squaddie.

A rifle and a shovel were placed beside Hashim's body to make it look as if he were an insurgent who was planting a roadside bomb. The squad leader, Lawrence G Hutchins III, was found guilty of unpremeditated murder.

Magincalda was found not guilty of premeditated murder and kidnapping, but was found guilty of conspiracy to murder, theft, and housebreaking. By being found not guilty of murder Magincalda has avoided a life sentence in jail.

 
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  Why  
 
am I not surprised....

Gun toting American + position of power = death to the innocent

Why does the west even bother to still clain being 'above' people in other countries, we're clearly not.
 
  by: Maxx20     08/03/2007 09:30 AM     
  @Maxx  
 
One marine goes mad, murders someone and is arrested.
An entire nation murders there daughters if they dont wear a NBC suit.

Yes, thats a fair comparison.
 
  by: Gogevandire   08/03/2007 09:59 AM     
  @goge  
 
'One marine' is a bit of an underestimation.

Given the stories (and images) of torture and murder that have streamed out of Iraq for the last few years.

Even then, they're the ones that got reported, who know's how many there really are. The media certainly haven't reported every case by a long shot.
 
  by: Maxx20     08/03/2007 11:41 AM     
  @ goge  
 
huh? What was that about?
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     08/03/2007 11:43 AM     
  @maxx20  
 
thats all you think about right? its not the ppl killing us americans.. u just sweep that under the rug.. the real objective here is the thousands of troops torturing and killing innocent ppl right?
obviously there is going to be some "nutty" marines out there that will do these barbarack and rouge acts on there own.then they will be caught and prosecuted.
 
  by: cray0la     08/03/2007 05:04 PM     
  Haha, Maxx is closer to the truth  
 
Marines are mad in the first place for joining such a stupid cause, the cause of mutual destruction. Soldiers aren't taught to think, they're taught to comply, they're taught to be conformists, taught to be idiots at the will of the state.

If one marine is arrested for killing someone, might as well arrest all others for killing, as they're all nothing but murderers. They just all don't get punished.


This is going to sound like a broken record, but damn, in between the scratches there is some damn fine music:

"He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder."
-Albert Einstein

might as well add this one for good measure:

"I don't expect a soldier to think."
-George Bernard Shaw

I don't expect anyone who thinks a soldier is a hero to either.
 
  by: QuestioningAnswers   08/03/2007 06:05 PM     
  @cray0la  
 
"thats all you think about right? its not the ppl killing us americans.. u just sweep that under the rug.. the real objective here is the thousands of troops torturing and killing innocent ppl right?
obviously there is going to be some "nutty" marines out there that will do these barbarack and rouge acts on there own.then they will be caught and prosecuted."

this should go without saying... but apparently not, any soldier in iraq that get killed is the fault of the governments that put them there... not that of the people trying to drive them out of their country... would you blame americans for defending their country if they were invaded... no, nor would I, but this isn't he cause they invaded they have the right to get killed, on the other hand you can't justify killing iraqi's because you shouldn't be there to begin with...

for the soldiers that don't want to be in those countries, a part of me feels for them... but on the other hand they are practically as guilty for remaining there... beit they are too nieve, too ignorant or just plain too stupid... if you go to iraq you can expect to get killed and you rightly only have one person to blame and it not the person trying to shoot you, it the people who sent them there in the first place, because they are defending their land, just as any other country would...

i would love to see your logic applied to your country if it were attacked. would you just sit by and watch you country get invaded, occupied and subsequently ecopnomically raped.

caught and prosecuted?, yeah some of them, not the majority... only the ones that get the most media exposure in an attempt to give the appearance that the moral corruption in under control... its not... most of these cases get covered up.

this war is terrorism, your not fighting it but engaging in it, by definition; obviously not by the media/government concept of terrorism, which is quite litterally any opposition.
 
  by: havoc666     08/03/2007 06:11 PM     
  @QA  
 
i've never seen that einstein quote in it entirity before... i love it, einstein was a genius on many levels... mathematics was only what he became most famous for, but he was a great philospher above and beyond mathematics.

how about this quote, definately one of my favorite war quotes:

"war does not determine who is right, only who is left" - bertrand russell
 
  by: havoc666     08/03/2007 06:17 PM     
  @Maxx20  
 
"Gun toting American + position of power = death to the innocent"

That's quite the prejudicial comment there.

Because Americans are the only people that when toting guns and put in a position of power kill people.

In every war ever fought there have been bad people that do bad things. Making generalizations like that are inflammatory and unnecessary.
 
  by: ablindmansees     08/03/2007 06:37 PM     
  My Two Cents  
 
Just my 2 cents here, but aside from the broad
philosophic merits of war and the obvious illegality
& imorality of America's invasion & occupation of
Iraq, I think mention must be made of the fact that
BushCo is making these soldiers face longer &
longer tours of duty w/ shorter & shorter time
home. The obvious outcome of putting young men
under severe strain for longer & longer periods w/
shorter breaks is them suffering battle fatigue &
going "mad"

Like it or not, it IS the insane Bush/Cheney/
Rumsfield policies that are causing the deaths of
both U.S. servicemen & innocent civilians. Perhaps if
more of the neo-con a**holes who are so gung-ho
about "exercising America's force" weren't ignorant
ChickenHawks who never actually served their
country in battle, this Once Great Nation wouldn't
be so hated & reviled by the rest of the world & tens
of thousands of people wouldn't have been
sacrificed for control of the 2nd largest known
reserves of oil on the planet.
 
  by: JadedMarty   08/03/2007 07:00 PM     
  havoc666  
 
Yeah, that's one of my favorites as well.
 
  by: QuestioningAnswers   08/03/2007 07:51 PM     
  @QA  
 
"Marines are mad in the first place for joining such a stupid cause, the cause of mutual destruction."

Even those of us who joined to defend the US from those who would attack us? We'll just exclude the entire "War based on lies" and "9/11 was an inside job" arguments because I'll probably agree with you.

Soldiers aren't taught to think, they're taught to comply, they're taught to be conformists, taught to be idiots at the will of the state."

That is blatantly inaccurate. We're taught both. Discipline and independence. As for idiots, trained to be conformists and what-not: the same could be said about a vast majority of Americans.

"If one marine is arrested for killing someone, might as well arrest all others for killing, as they're all nothing but murderers. They just all don't get punished."

We're not cold killing machines like some enjoy portraying us. We do have consciences and when someone does something like that, they'll usually pay for it. Calling us all murderers is a little silly.
 
  by: erasedgod   08/03/2007 09:52 PM     
  @QA  
 
"I don't expect anyone who thinks a soldier is a hero to either."

This is what's wrong with going to war without being willing to take over and kill everyone in the beaten country.

Whatever happened to that? That made sense.

QA knows (s)he's safe, pretty much no matter what. The fanatics aren't going to take over and kill him(her), so (s)he can sit back and say all soldiers are evil. If the stakes were higher, we pull out of Iraq and he/she gets killed, (s)he'd be the biggest cheerleader you've ever seen.
 
  by: FreedonSupporter     08/03/2007 10:11 PM     
  @JadedMarty  
 
You are absolutely correct. Although some will see this Marine as a cold-blooded killer, he would not have been in the position of killing had it not been for the careless policies of Bush-Cheney. When will we be free from this treacherous dictatorship?
 
  by: John E Angel     08/03/2007 10:33 PM     
  Uh huh  
 
"Marines are mad in the first place for joining such a stupid cause, the cause of mutual destruction. Soldiers aren't taught to think, they're taught to comply, they're taught to be conformists, taught to be idiots at the will of the state. "

Soldiers are far from the stupid non-thinking men and women you would like to think they are. Agree or not with the war these men and women are doing a job they signed up to do. Yes they have to follow orders and no they do not always like it. I have to say I am pretty sick and tired of hearing those that have NO idea what a soldiers job actually is bitching about them only because of this war.

They unlike most here that want to cry about things can not just quit a job as most of you can. Yes there are bad soldiers, cops, nurses, potheads whatever but do not blindly call all of them one thing because of what a few do.

If you want to cast blame for Iraq do it correctly and blame Bush and Co not the men and women that joined either before this started or after 9/11 thinking they were doing so for the right reasons. Do not blame the National Guard who do far more than you can imagine to help with US and national tragedies.

I always get a kick out of those that complain about left/right war/peace that have never done jack shit for the better of their country. I am also pretty sick and tired of seeing all the soldier bashing and US bashing. Bush is a jackass, his admininistration is worlthless and criminal..hell 99% of the politicians on both sides are but do not lay it at the feet of the soldiers or the American Citizens that are pretty much unable to do much about it right now.

If any of you think you can solve the war and how to get the men and women out speak up and make a real plan and submit it and get people to back it. Run for the offices in your areas and change how politics is running. Other back off those that are doing something you don't have the guts, conviction or courage to do.
 
  by: TaraB     08/04/2007 06:27 AM     
  @Tara  
 
"If any of you think you can solve the war and how to get the men and women out speak up and make a real plan and submit it and get people to back it. Run for the offices in your areas and change how politics is running. Other back off those that are doing something you don't have the guts, conviction or courage to do."

But then they'd have to leave the safety of the basement and actualy try.

Nope, much easier to smugly stand back and say, I never failed, whilst ignoring the fact that its becuase they never try
 
  by: GogeVandire   08/04/2007 12:01 PM     
  @Goge  
 
You are an Idiot and a gentleman in one single post! Simply put, I dont know if you re-read your posts, or is it, just the urge to reply to posts.

Anywyas. You are right, inregards to your answer at Tara.

@Tara. "Soldiers are far from the stupid non-thinking men and women you would like to think they are. Agree or not with the war these men and women are doing a job they signed up to do."

I disagree! They join the army for al the wrong reasons, a recruiter tells them what they want to hear and next thing you know, from many of these failures, they join the service, for their own benefits before the country.

Any soldier today is a freaking human Robot, who needs, or has an issue with self esteem. To be controlled by your superiors, who dont know their elbow, from their rear end is yet another display, army displays everyday.

One judgement from an angry Marine commander, spins the whole region into a major chaos and if the marines dont follow orders, they get to be court martialed!! Now for a moment, if this is NORM to you, than I question the entire idea of invading for a single persons idiom and cause. This person is none other than Dubya.

This goes on everyday, politicians are the lowest of scumbags, what is happening in Iraq and what Hitler did! there is no difference.

Americans current are like, 'Dont talk bad, about my momma, just because I call her a bitch' Guess what if she is a bitch than there is no other, epithet, to describe her. And, right now America is a bitch.

This is yet another marine to be screwed, many others are dying, as Jason Bourne puts it "Do you even know why are you killing"

To tell me, they are FAR FROM STUPID!!!
I may not succeed in alienating you, by far.
 
  by: kinko     08/04/2007 06:47 PM     
  Erasedgod  
 
Even those of us who joined to defend the US from those who would attack us?

Yes. Soldiers do not defend, but enforce. Their only purpose in killing another is revenge, revenge unleashed upon another group which has a different opinion. The first and only real defense is diplomacy by the politician, and once that fails or is seen as inadequate, the politician sends crews of destruction to a certain location to enforce the politician’s initial opinion which he/she could not enforce with their mind by using diplomacy. Force is the last refuge of the person who can no longer think their way through a problem. The soldier is a tool of this, the enforcer of opinion, making sure that the other opinion no longer exists by killing the person who holds it.

“That is blatantly inaccurate. We're taught both. Discipline and independence. As for idiots, trained to be conformists and what-not: the same could be said about a vast majority of Americans.”

I agree, the vast majority of Americans are ignorant which is the basis of why we have war in the first place. If one party (the military) is to have control over another’s actions (the soldiers), that party must institute discipline...there is no way around it. A disciplined soldier is an effective one. This discipline of course is meant to stifle independent thought and action, thought that might be contrary to the soldier’s given orders. If a soldier does not conform to this discipline, further disciplinary actions are taken (again in attempt to stifle the independent thought and action). I’m not saying that you are ignorant because from what I have seen, I believe that you are a smart person, much smarter than most.

“We're not cold killing machines like some enjoy portraying us. We do have consciences and when someone does something like that, they'll usually pay for it. Calling us all murderers is a little silly.”

Silly as it may seem, soldiers are in essence taught to be cold killing machines. If the soldier was to care for human life, they would not take it from someone else. Killing because someone else tells you to is not courageous, but the opposite, it is the product of conformity.

If someone in the United States was to willingly kill another resident of the United States, that would be labeled as murder. Simply because the person killed is from a different country does not mean that they were not murdered. Murder is always premeditated, whether it be by the one who issues the orders or the hitman who carries it out. What country the murdered individual happens to reside in when the murder happens is a moot point, as we’re all residents of the same planet.
 
  by: QuestioningAnswers   08/04/2007 06:48 PM     
  FreedonSupporter  
 
“This is what's wrong with going to war without being willing to take over and kill everyone in the beaten country.

Whatever happened to that? That made sense.”

Sorry, I don’t understand what you’re trying to convey here. Would you mind wording it in a different way?


“QA knows (s)he's safe, pretty much no matter what. The fanatics aren't going to take over and kill him(her), so (s)he can sit back and say all soldiers are evil. If the stakes were higher, we pull out of Iraq and he/she gets killed, (s)he'd be the biggest cheerleader you've ever seen.”

My level of thought far surpasses what you describe. What I believe is quite the opposite. This is why I speak these words, I am concerned for my family and humanity as a whole. I know that I am not safe because there are politicians and soldiers running around engaging in war, thinking that war somehow begets peace. You cannot add more darkness to a room to drive out the darkness just as you cannot add more fighting to a war to drive out the war. You must add light to the darkness to be rid of the darkness, you must add diplomacy to the war to be rid of the war.

If one of my family members was killed, I would in fact not change my position because I would know that revenge would not bring them back. I would know that revenge is what caused them to be killed in the first place. I would know that by avenging their death, the cycle of revenge would continue, and that my family member’s death would have been in vain.
 
  by: QuestioningAnswers   08/04/2007 06:56 PM     
  Tara B  
 
TaraB

“Soldiers are far from the stupid non-thinking men and women you would like to think they are. Agree or not with the war these men and women are doing a job they signed up to do. Yes they have to follow orders and no they do not always like it. I have to say I am pretty sick and tired of hearing those that have NO idea what a soldiers job actually is bitching about them only because of this war.”

Again, my level of thought surpasses this. I know exactly what a soldiers job is no matter what war they fight in. A soldier is a hitman at the bidding of the state.

“They unlike most here that want to cry about things can not just quit a job as most of you can. Yes there are bad soldiers, cops, nurses, potheads whatever but do not blindly call all of them one thing because of what a few do.”

They can quit their job, but there are consequences just like someone who would quit their job. The only difference is the consequences are legal ones. All soldiers are cogs in the machine of war. Together, they promote the destruction of lives and the murder of human beings that are simply not of the same country.

“If you want to cast blame for Iraq do it correctly and blame Bush and Co not the men and women that joined either before this started or after 9/11 thinking they were doing so for the right reasons. Do not blame the National Guard who do far more than you can imagine to help with US and national tragedies.”

Actually if I was to accurately cast blame I would have to blame the citizens who allowed these ignoramuses to be elected. The national guard can be the one exception, as they at times save lives by constructive rebuilding efforts. Otherwise, by engaging in war, they are destructive murderers.

“I always get a kick out of those that complain about left/right war/peace that have never done jack shit for the better of their country. I am also pretty sick and tired of seeing all the soldier bashing and US bashing. Bush is a jackass, his admininistration is worlthless and criminal..hell 99% of the politicians on both sides are but do not lay it at the feet of the soldiers or the American Citizens that are pretty much unable to do much about it right now.”

Get all the kicks you want, but by correcting misconceptions by leading others to truth, I am bettering not only the country, but the entire world. Citizens have the ultimate control. Without public recognition of power, public officials are just people with differing opinions. The same goes with soldiers. If all soldiers refused to recognize a higher ranking officer’s orders, there would be no one to fight in a war besides the official that gave the orders in the first place. Those that gave the orders would find out very quickly that diplomacy is the only real option towards conflict resolution. This is why I’m starting at the root of the problem, the citizens and soldiers.

“If any of you think you can solve the war and how to get the men and women out speak up and make a real plan and submit it and get people to back it. Run for the offices in your areas and change how politics is running. Other back off those that are doing something you don't have the guts, conviction or courage to do.”

I’m already way ahead. I know how to solve all wars. Diplomacy. But that only is spurred from patience, and patience is spurred from persistence, and from persistence, conviction and from conviction, positive thinking. That way there could not possibly be war. I am currently training myself so that I can be of greater service to people that need it through personal development. And to do this, I must focus on my own personal development. Though, I’m still very stupid (as seen by my focusing on the negative aspects of war), but it’s a certainty that if people can be happy no matter the circumstance, war would not be needed or possible. Some may see this as impossible, but at one time so was human flight, and breaking the sound barrier.

Currently, my views are so contrary to popular opinion that I doubt I could be elected without lying. Just look at Ron Paul, Dennis Kuchinich, and Mike Gravel. They are not taken seriously, though their plans and depth of thought far surpass any other candidates (except maybe those of Barak Obama, I still can’t tell if he’s smart enough to lie his way into office for the purpose of peace or if his tough words are sincere.) If I were to run for any office it would be out of sheer desperation for the lack of alternatives which at the moment I am not done sifting through yet. May I ask what you are doing to solve the problem of war?
 
  by: QuestioningAnswers   08/04/2007 07:08 PM     
  GogeVandire  
 
I whole heartedly agree. That is much easier, which is why most people do this. They give up, go to college and end up getting jobs working for someone else the rest of their lives, never becoming anything special, forgotten by the history books because they decided to be average just like everyone else. Those that excel go against the grain, against the conventional mindset, do the opposite of what the tribe does, they do the things that others don’t want to do, and are extraordinary people because of it.
 
  by: QuestioningAnswers   08/04/2007 07:11 PM     
  Yada Yada  
 
"But then they'd have to leave the safety of the basement and actualy try."

I agree Goge. I hate this so called war in Iraq as much as anyone but it isn't the men and womens fault that the Commander In Chief is an asshat.

@ Kink-"Now for a moment, if this is NORM to you, than I question the entire idea of invading for a single persons idiom and cause. This person is none other than Dubya."

Well that is where the blame lies, not the people doing their job.

@QA-"Get all the kicks you want, but by correcting misconceptions by leading others to truth, I am bettering not only the country, but the entire world."
While you may feel it is your truth and spouting a lot of misinformation and impossible situations (i.e. the whole armed forces rebelling against the Chimp in Charge)you can live in your glass house or under your shell. A lot of people thought starting with the soldiers was the way to go before you and what resulted was how horrible the soldiers were treated that came back from Vietnam. If you want to make a start at the root of the problem, again actually DO something not just sit on here and say you are being self this and that. Many of the citizens, soldiers included did not Vote for Bush one or both times. If you want to change the citizens that voted for the man go down south and see how long you would last with the I want to be the modern Ghandi attitude. I am all for peace, but I am also realistic to know that you are not going to get it by demeaning the citizens and the soldiers.

Also one last point..you do realise that the majority of the mena nd women fighting over there ARE the National Guard. There losses are far more greater than anyone elses in the US over this war. They are losing their jobs, homes and family at a greater rate than the enlisted.

I will continue to believe that Bush and Co are the ones who this disaster rests at, that the soldiers are doing their job and yes there are bad apples as anywhere else. And I will also believe that the citizens in this country for the most part want change as much as anyone, but are looking for a realistic not fantasy approach for it.
 
  by: TaraB     08/05/2007 12:42 AM     
  If a parent places  
 
A pistol which has only 1 purpose in the hands of a 6 year old and they shoot the 8 year old sibling, who's fault is it? by military rules, the 6 year old should have known better and should be punished severely. Damn it all!!!!
 
  by: tasso   08/05/2007 04:19 AM     
  When it wil end...?  
 
When Obama becomes President. Yes, he's black and I don't particularly care for the black community as a whole. Will I vote for him? Hell yes! He is THE man to have in office.
 
  by: Nooze Worthy     08/05/2007 04:31 AM     
  @ nooze  
 
i thought Kucinich was THE man to have in office?
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     08/05/2007 01:06 PM     
  Tara  
 
I am doing something like i previously said, not that it matters that you know it or not. Maybe this will help: I'm finding mentors. Learning from mentors is wisdom without the pain. It's how the quickest ascension and advancement occurs.

You tell me that the Gandhi attitude won't work, then in the very next sentence you point me in the direction of using the Gandhi attitude. I just thought that was funny. Anyway, I know the wisdom of Gandhi even if I'm not as wise as he was yet. One can't expect an apple tree to bear bounties of fruit 14 days after the seed has been planted.

Yes I do know that the national guard is in Iraq...destroying lives and families.

No matter how much reason has been presented to you, you can believe what you want. The teacher cannot teach the student who is unwilling to learn. You can also believe you look at the world realistically just like most everyone else does...and then wonder why all these self proclaimed realists have widely differing opinions.
 
  by: QuestioningAnswers   08/05/2007 06:46 PM     
  @Nooze  
 
I admit I rtefuse to take tyhat much interest in the US elections thias far in advance, but what exactly has obama (or hilary for that matter) said to make you think they'll do anything different than Bush?

Despite the fact that he's clearly going to start another war, this time in Iran, the Dems are refusing to remove him from office, "not an option on the table" were the words were they not?

I'm not sure who the two democrats (kunich and someone else) are who seem ok, but I know the only sensible republican is Ron Paul.

"If the Obama/Hillary is the answer, what the hells the question.
 
  by: GogeVandire   08/05/2007 07:04 PM     
  What the hell?  
 
How could Obama even remotely be a possibility? I understand the fact that he is part black makes him appealing to some. The fact that he has zero foreign policy (or domestic policy for that matter) experience is appealing to others. The fact remains, that he is just like all the other big-government, "let's start a war" candidates.
 
  by: erasedgod   08/06/2007 01:35 AM     
  @ banshee  
 
If I would have known who you truly were I would not have wasted my words on you since I know from before you only believe and listen to yourself and no others.

I am sticking with Support the Soldiers not the Bush war. You can stick with whatever, I just hope if you ever have need of the National Guard that you get your own ass out of whatever is going on and let them help people that need it. After all you shouldn't accept help from someone that is ruining families and killing people.


You are not a teacher to me in ANY way.
I am SO done on this thread.
 
  by: TaraB     08/06/2007 01:48 AM     
  Ok  
 
I didn't specifically mean to arouse your ire. Though, I understood that I was probably going to. Don't sweat it, it's all in good fun.

In relation to the national guard, I'm sure there are plenty of civilian murderers who have previously given to or participated in charity work. IMO that doesn't hold them any less responsible for the murder the commited.


I will listen to anyone that can prove me wrong, which to this point no one seems to be able to do. I did admit that my current approach wasn't the wisest in which you were correct. I'm sure I'm probably wrong somewhere else, but no one seems to want to point out where that is. I make sure to learn from the best, which might be why I have the most sound debates. Then again, the best don't debate.
 
  by: QuestioningAnswers   08/06/2007 11:49 AM     
 
 
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