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08/10/2007 12:13 AM ID: 64148 Permalink   

Pearl Jam Anti-Bush Lyrics Censored

 

During a live concert webcast of the Lollapalooza festival in Chicago, rock band Pearl Jam had a portion of lyrics censored by AT&T. AT&T said it was "a mistake by a webcast vendor" and that it was "contrary to our policy."

The censoring occurred during the song "Daughter" which they segued into Pink Floyd's "Another Brick In The Wall" where they added in the lyrics "George Bush, leave this world alone" as well as "George Bush, find yourself another home."

During the Lollapalooza performance, the band also brought a disabled veteran from the Iraq war whom called for an end to the war and also expressed criticism of BP, one of the largest oil companies in the world.

 
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  Another triumph  
 
For the 'Land of the Free,' hmm?
 
  by: ofWolfandMan   08/10/2007 12:17 AM     
  "a mistake by a Webcast vendor"  
 
George Bush this & George Bush that was censored as a "mistake", but nothing else was "mistakengly censored" ---- mistake my white hippy ass !!!!
 
  by: Discarded Vet   08/10/2007 12:20 AM     
  that's one of the reasons why  
 
GW Bush is worse than Fidel Castro, Vladimir Putin, Hugo Chavez ...
 
  by: landers     08/10/2007 01:08 AM     
  So what  
 
Landers, wow you had better do some reading before you put Putin in front of bush, thats just wrong, try reading a little on the KGB or KVPD (or Kpvd or something like that, its been awhile).
As for Chavez and Castro, well one is a wacko paranoid but big deal, that’s for his country to deal with and the other will die soon enough.

As for the "censorship" if that’s what it was, good!
If I pay 50-100 or more dollars to go to a concert I DONT WANT TO LISTEN TO YOUR POLITICAL VIEWS, I pay to listen to the music and maybe get wasted just a bit.

Personally I don’t think Bush is all that bad (please quit groaning and read the rest before you tag me as some conservative idiot). The real evil behind this administration is his father, and Cheney (god I hope he don’t shoot me now).
These are both ex CIA spooks of the cold war era and I wouldn’t trust them for a buck fiddy, and did not vote for Bush Sr. for reelection (and sure as hell didn’t vote for klintun). If you have done any management work (other that McDonalds) you will find that the boss really don’t know half of what is going on and fully relies on his staff, if the staff is making bad decisions in the boss’s name you have today!
I think Bush Jr’s big fault is he is too loyal and too trusting of his cabinet and I really feel he is being led around by his daddy, cheney, rumsfeld and the others evil klowns.

 
  by: FTFFTW   08/10/2007 01:27 AM     
  @FTFFTW  
 
I totally disagree with you.

You're obviously unaware of the severe socio-economic damage this administration has inflicted on America.

Stop watching that neo-con propaganda machine FOX NEWS.

You've been brainwashed.
 
  by: landers     08/10/2007 01:46 AM     
  agreed with Landers ...  
 
FTFFTW ...

GW has blown it for us internationally ... he is representing the U.S. internationally, and comes off as a complete ninkumpoop.

His inarticulate, entitled, brash, shoot from the hip (harriet myers anyone) behavior has reinforced every negative anti-American stereo type out there.

he had a brief opportunity to come off as someone able to run the country ... when he attacked the Taliban in response to 9/11 and just obliterated them with air power ... EVERYONE was behind us because we were JUSTIFIABLY responding to an atrocity.

Then that putz went after another target that was not his to take ... and we lost everyone. He was drunk with the support of the international and national praise and took it to mean that he was infallible.

I voted for him the first time, because he seemed like the best option. didnt the second time, and have felt nothing but regret for him being our leader since he went into Iraq.

re: your statement that you dont want to hear political statements at a rock concert ... well ... there you have me. just because performers have the OPPORTUNITY to spout their believes, a venue that a consumer PAYS to hear music / see a show ... should completely exempt them from being subjected to the performers political views (even though censorship does suck) ... i would be in favor of giving ppl their money back if a performer invades their paid for event with a political agenda.
 
  by: bpearson   08/10/2007 02:06 AM     
  freedom of speech  
 
at it's finest...
 
  by: Oook!   08/10/2007 02:16 AM     
  Political Music  
 
Has ALWAYS been a part of rock & roll.

It's nothing new, nor should it be unexpected. Especially with outspoken bands, such as Pearl.
 
  by: Discarded Vet   08/10/2007 02:22 AM     
  ,.,.  
 
So what you're basically saying FTFFTW is that it's not ok for the artist that made the song to show his view of things?

Me thinks mayhaps you've forgotten what musicians do with their music.
 
  by: splicer   08/10/2007 02:26 AM     
  ,.,.,.,.,.  
 
Though I do agree that dubya gump is just a figurehead without and real intelligence.
 
  by: splicer   08/10/2007 02:27 AM     
  The Blame Game...  
 
Yeah, right...blame the company that you hired. Generally when any company "hires" someone for something like this, there will always be a representative of said company, in this case AT&T, to oversee the broadcast and give the final say, so the blame still falls on AT&T.

Expect more censorship to come as the media outlets become owned by fewer and fewer companies.
 
  by: elderban99     08/10/2007 05:40 AM     
  @FTFFTW  
 
It's absolutely idiotic to expect to pay for a concert, or a festival for that matter, and hear music that has no personal opinion of the artist. THAT'S WHY YOU LISTEN TO MUSIC!! What the hell do you expect? You want to go to a concert and hear politically correct, non offensive music? Watch the friggin telly-tubbies if that's your aim. Good Lord!!! I'd much rather hear someone's political views in a song than about stupid rich bastards with spinners on their Escalades, getting drunk in a goddamn club and screwing hookers left and right. At least Pearl Jam's music stands for something meaningful! Simple-minded people like you are responsible for the overall decrease in the quality of music in the last decade... and I won't even start on the Bush thing...
 
  by: ludwitr   08/10/2007 06:58 AM     
  @FTFFTW  
 
“So What Landers”

- So what? So what that freedom to criticize our political overlords is being curtailed by corporate suck ups who want to continue to enjoy large tax breaks and billions in profit? So what that freedom of speech has become a slogan, as opposed to a reality? Maybe you should watch V for Vendetta and see what happens to a society when they roll over and play dead to political extremists who love people like you who won’t question what is going on.

“wow you had better do some reading before you put Putin in front of bush, thats just wrong, try reading a little on the KGB or KVPD (or Kpvd or something like that, its been awhile).
As for Chavez and Castro, well one is a wacko paranoid but big deal, that’s for his country to deal with and the other will die soon enough.”

- Well clearly the comparison is a little stiff. But let’s be real. Bush has started a war for no reason. He is directly responsible for the death of thousands of civilians and military personnel. He has sanctioned torture and ignored international law and treaties, and isolated America by turning back the clock on human rights issues. Sure he is no former KGB agent (after all Bush ran from even being in the National Guard) but he is still a monster.

”As for the "censorship" if that’s what it was, good!”

- Unless the concert was a call for whites to take up the cause against blacks and drive them back to Africa, or a concert to restart the genocide of Jews started by the Nazis, I fail to see how censorship is good.

”If I pay 50-100 or more dollars to go to a concert I DONT WANT TO LISTEN TO YOUR POLITICAL VIEWS, I pay to listen to the music and maybe get wasted just a bit.”

- All artists use their creative opinion to produce records. But what you are calling for is for all artists to create music that has no opinions in it. Well guess what, such music rarely exists. The fact that you lack the ability to discern the hidden message in the songs, does not mean that such message does not exist. Music has for generations embodied the emotions, feelings and opinions of the artists who produce it. To believe that you can attend a concert and hear music that has no message is just naive and frankly sad.

”Personally I don’t think Bush is all that bad (please quit groaning and read the rest before you tag me as some conservative idiot).”

- Well then you are not only in the minority, but you are clearly very ill-informed. But just for sport, why don’t you make a list of say five positive achievements that this man has been responsible for since in office. Because I honestly can’t see anything good he has achieved.

“The real evil behind this administration is his father, and Cheney (god I hope he don’t shoot me now).”

In Nazi Germany there were several henchmen who were arguably even more evil than Hitler. But that doesn’t mean you could suggest that Hitler wasn’t ‘all that bad.’ Bush is an inept and failed leader who seemingly tried to surround himself with yes men and suck ups who were about as useless as him.

The remainder of your post basically shifted the blame from this horrible administration onto the shoulders of various evil and inept cabinet members, which is pretty much irrelevant to this post.

The bottom line here is that you are suggesting that we should find excuses for the incompetence of a political leader and that anyone with a platform to express an opinion be censored so that we don’t have to think about what they have to say. Sadly it is this kind of stupidity and compliance that has landed this country in the situation it is in today. Bad leaders love people like you that blindly follow, make excuses, and call for the censorship of those who dare to speak out.

America can go one of two ways. It can either be the land of the free as it likes to claim it is, or it can become China. Your arguments seem to be for creating another China-like country, rather than holding true to the ideals of the founding fathers.
 
  by: ZCT     08/10/2007 07:25 AM     
  @FTFFTW  
 
Let me try to make this short:

Bush is the figure of representation for my country. He holds responsibility for his cabinets actions. If Bush had a problem against the actions of his cabinet, or other sects of the US Government that participate in this evil you speak of, he would speak out against it. Of course he doesn't, and just because people push him off as some gullible retard doesn't make him any less of a horrendous president, and human being.
 
  by: Smpz   08/10/2007 07:52 AM     
  Oh dear  
 
Shouldn't be surprised though.

Freedom of speech is great, I'll miss it when the UK government decides to go the same way as the US.
 
  by: Maxx20     08/10/2007 10:31 AM     
  lmao  
 
FTFFTW, you know when people talk about opening a whole can of worms... looks like you just opened a whole crate of 'em. Lmao.
 
  by: wingedpuma     08/10/2007 10:45 AM     
  video of the performance  
   
  by: ManilaRyce     08/10/2007 11:39 AM     
  An Example Of Why We Need  
 
Net neutrality regulations. As noted in another
post, this sort of thing can only be expected more
& more as media ownership consolidates. I can
only urge all of you to contact your reps. & voice
your support of net neutrality.

As for Bush's supposed lack of intelligence - Ann
Richards, whom he outsed as Gov. here in Texas
had a view on that. She warned folks not to buy into
his "aw shucks" act & underestimate him as she did.
He's not as dumb and inarticulate as he looks and
pretends to be.

I won't argue that Cheney, Rumsfield, & especially
Karl Rove are evil, corrupt, fascist criminals who
should all be arrested, tried, convicted, & executed
for treason & war crimes, but don't think Dubbya is
being "led" & doesn't know what's going on.

As for the idiotic notion that being a recording act
somehow bars one from voicing their political views
- sorry, bubba, but any Pearl Jam fan who doesn't
know the band has a political stance is dumber
than some folks imagine Bush to be. You certainly
have the right to avoid acts that address social and/
or political issues if you prefer mindless
entertainment, but don't expect every songwriter to
share you myopic view.
 
  by: JadedMarty   08/10/2007 02:12 PM     
  Not a Freedom of Speech Issue  
 
This is not Freedom of Speech issue. Sure they had the freedom to say what they wanted to. But they do not have the freedom to force a business to repeat what they said. In this case maybe the "webcast vendor" didn't want to be associated with the comments as they may tarnish their business.
 
  by: Joepa   08/10/2007 02:25 PM     
  @Joepa  
 
I did jump the gun a little there, my comment on freedom of speech was directed at the idea that, behind the 'webcast vendor' there was pressure from someone political to disallow what was said.

Given the level of invasion of privacy and effective punishments for people who disagree with the Gov't. in the US, one could forgive the media for being worried about transmitting anything anti-government.
 
  by: Maxx20     08/10/2007 02:57 PM     
  @ Joepa  
 
"....they do not have the freedom to force a business to repeat what they said....."

Onbly if it was in the production contract between the band and the carrier(ATT) that the carrier reserved the rights to censore.
 
  by: Discarded Vet   08/10/2007 09:15 PM     
  ludwitr's COMMENT is perfect  
 
"What the hell do you expect? You want to go to a concert and hear politically correct, non offensive music? Watch the friggin telly-tubbies if that's your aim. Good Lord!!! I'd much rather hear someone's political views in a song than about stupid rich bastards with spinners on their Escalades, getting drunk in a goddamn club and screwing hookers left and right. At least Pearl Jam's music stands for something meaningful! Simple-minded people like you are responsible for the overall decrease in the quality of music in the last decade... and I won't even start on the Bush thing..."

Right on mate
 
  by: pineal420   08/10/2007 11:10 PM     
  What will be censored next?  
 
I bet next they will start censoring the truth about UFO's...oh, wait.

=)
 
  by: splithoriz0n   08/11/2007 06:56 AM     
  Shut Up and Sing!  
 
You're a singer... not a politician.

It kills me to see/hear actors and entertainers spew their political messages.

Clue: We don't care what your political opinions are. If we wanted a political lecture, we would have bought tickets to a Rush Limbaugh lecture -- not your concert. Shut up and sing!
 
  by: CArnold     08/11/2007 11:54 AM     
  Shut Up and Bl*w Me  
 
You're nothing an entertainer. Someone who gets paid to make me feel good and look good on the club floor as I bust a move.

Nevermind all the history of music and musicians being the social commentry of our times.

Willy Nelson, Cat Stevens, Dixie Chicks, and every damn punk and rock band out there including PealJam.

Music is about love,lust,blues,rage - ooh but no rage against politics though.

No, I don't and the people don't need to hear anything that isn't corporation-board sanctioned. Just shut up and dance little monkey to tune of the corporate organ grinder.
 
  by: redstain   08/11/2007 12:21 PM     
  'bust a move'  
 
who talks like that these days.

STOP



...it's hammer time :P
 
  by: redstain   08/11/2007 12:22 PM     
  shut up and sing?  
 
"It kills me to see/hear actors and entertainers spew their political messages."

exactly. i'm tired of brainless actors like ronald reagan, fred thompson, and arnold schwarzenegger spewing their stupid messages. oh wait, you only meant liberal entertainers right? my bad.
 
  by: ManilaRyce     08/11/2007 12:48 PM     
  @LOL ManilaRyce  
 
Nice point.
 
  by: ZCT     08/11/2007 01:58 PM     
  And all this time  
 
I didn't think conservatives listened to the lyrics. I thought they only listened to the noise.
 
  by: Lurker     08/11/2007 03:36 PM     
  @ludwitr  
 
Pink Floyd's "Another Brick In The Wall" where they added in the lyrics "George Bush, leave this world alone" as well as "George Bush, find yourself another home."

<i>That's</i> why music sucks today. Writing a song with political lyrics is one thing, but this was pathetic. From a purely musical perspective it really should be censored.
 
  by: Eiderdown   08/12/2007 01:37 AM     
  @Eiderdown: very true crime on musical sense  
 
PealJam has lost much of it's edge since 90s.

If they did a cover only to change a couple of lines, the song should have been boo'd off stage. But that's the perogative of the fans, don't you think? The could have boo'd them off - but they didn't.

Who's AT&T to be judge, jury and executioner of what people want to listen to?
 
  by: redstain   08/12/2007 03:19 AM     
  @ redstain  
 
Maybe that is what the real beef with this is?

Not so much that a political opinion was sent, but that it was sent on another bands' original song, and not one's own.

Just a thought.
 
  by: Discarded Vet   08/12/2007 07:17 PM     
  @DV  
 
that i'm sure would conflict with the right to parody.
 
  by: havoc666     08/12/2007 07:24 PM     
  @DV...  
 
not to mention Pink Floyd themselves were a very politically outspoken group.

Dogs of War
Pigs
Sheep
Us and Them
"the wall" album (both discs; very politically charged album)
 
  by: havoc666     08/12/2007 07:38 PM     
  I Agree  
 
Just trying to figger out why all the stink about music for doing what music has done for way more years than I've been alive.

Maybe it's just one of those "ah-HAH! - Something to bitch about!!" scenarios.
 
  by: Discarded Vet   08/12/2007 07:49 PM     
  Oh Boy  
 
Firstly. FTFFTW: "Loyal and trusting" cannot be found in Websters Dictionary to be included in the definition of flaming moron. And that's exactly what President Bush is. He has run the country for the last 7 years based entirely on propoganda, ignorance, and lies. Sure, you could blame his father. But it was just as easy for Dubya to NOT go running around cleaning up his fathers mess from fifteen years ago. That was then, this is now.

Maybe you don't want to hear Eddie Vedder's political views. Simple fix. DO NOT GO SEE PEARL JAM. They are notorious for the politics included in their shows. Pretty simple resolution there, right? I thought so too.

Regardless of if you care about their political views, they are still guaranteed as citizens of the US, the freedom of speech. The fact that people pay upwards of one hundred dollars doesn't change that. It's like paying to go to a lecture man. It happens. And most of this country agrees with them soooo, why is it really such a big deal.

Censorship was created as nothing more than a way for the government to reneg on all the promises the country was built upon. And I, personally, think that's a pretty raw deal.
 
  by: draevynne   08/13/2007 08:21 AM     
  @Eiderdown  
 
I am curious to know what your favorite band is, and if they have EVER sang a cover song, or if their music is also "pathetic".

I'm just glad the music Pearl Jam sings has a meaning. Political or otherwise, they stand for something, and in this fickle society they hold true. They don't waiver with the masses or with what will sell more records. THAT is what is inspiring about Real, Quality music.

And if you want to talk about a Purely musical perspective....HA. 90% of bands that are signed to big lables would disappear. I would love to walk into best buy and purchase a CD by your Censorship standards today...I'd be lucky to hear a beat.
 
  by: ludwitr   08/16/2007 05:08 AM     
  @ ludwitr  
 
We're going back to the eighties in fashion and the forties in politics.
 
  by: draevynne   08/16/2007 08:24 AM     
  @ZCT  
 
Very well said.
 
  by: kinko     08/16/2007 03:24 PM     
 
 
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