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08/27/2007 01:08 AM ID: 64504 Permalink   

"North American Union" Canada, Mexico and USA to Become One Country?

 

The 3 governments in charge of the USA, Canada and Mexico are aligning themselves with large corporations to form the North American Union (NAU) also known as the "Deep Integration" project. This would place the 3 countries under American control.

The integration would mean Mexico and Canada would have to harmonize their laws and regulations to suit the imperial ambitions of the US government. The idea is to turn the nations into something parallel to the European Union.

In 2003 the Canadian Council of CEO's launched the North American and Prosperity Initiative with 5 major elements in their strategy; The reinvention of Canada/USA/Mexico borders, and the negotiation of a North American defense alliance, are just 2.

 
  Source: www.usadaily.com  
    WebReporter: JulesLady Show Calling Card      
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  the basic plan outline is called  
 
North American Security and Prosperity Initiative (NASPI)

http://www.ceocouncil.ca/...
 
  by: JulesLady     08/27/2007 01:11 AM     
  if you want to know the real reason  
 
watch the interview in full at the bottom of this page:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/...

I had several thoughts after watching this; one was why Dubya looked so horrified when 9/11 happened - he knew it was coming and was thinking "OMG they really did it" another was well now I understand the need to put false flags at the "North American Union" summit - to detract from the real agenda

http://shortnews.com/...
 
  by: JulesLady     08/27/2007 01:31 AM     
  @canada & mexico  
 
welcome to hell in 2010...

this is bad news... if this happens i have got to move, because quite honestly i will never willing live in the US... i would rather bite a bullet than live in the US...

i wonder where the nearest resistance force will be located... i might have to look into joining... this is bad news for canada.
 
  by: havoc666     08/27/2007 02:01 AM     
  the original source has been deemed "illegal"  
   
  by: JulesLady     08/27/2007 02:22 AM     
  Im with  
 
havoc666 on this. I don't like how things are always done in Canada but I REALLY don't like how things are going in America the last few years. I admit though that Canada is only a few Prime Ministers away from being along the same line as America in the way laws are made with things like wire tapping ect. This would certainly speed it all up though.
 
  by: the mobile kid   08/27/2007 02:44 AM     
  This makes sense  
 
since most of Mexico is already in the US.
 
  by: walter3ca   08/27/2007 03:34 AM     
  JulesLady  
 
Good story. I've been warning people of this for many years, including on shortnews, yet not many seem to see the warning signs until it's right about to happen. Lack of foresight I guess.

This NAU will then lead us all to a one world government controlled by corporations.

Aaron Russo was a very smart man, he was one that could connect all the dots.
 
  by: QuestioningAnswers   08/27/2007 03:36 AM     
  If nations combine; what happens to Constitution?  
 
Free speech, no longer protected by Constitution.
Right to bear arms, gone.
Right to fair trial.
Protection against illegal seizure of property by govt.

All gone... 'cos govt, will claim it's unfair to bind then under same guidlines.
 
  by: redstain   08/27/2007 04:02 AM     
  @QA  
 
tell me about it. I wrote alot of stories about how we were only going into Iraq for the oil and questioning how we got from 9/11 to afghanistan to iraq

and all i got were stories blocked due to bad ratings and people telling me i was unpatriotic....
 
  by: JulesLady     08/27/2007 04:06 AM     
  grrr  
 
Just another piece of the "new world order" plane set up by big money and multinationals.

It aint gonna happen in my bit of America!
 
  by: FTFFTW   08/27/2007 04:19 AM     
  The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms..  
 
Has similar rights, however I will bail as well, I don't believe it'll be a reality unless something really drastic happens, and by that time we won't be allowed to leave the North American continent, ala 1984 :)


you can find it here
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/...
 
  by: hl2k   08/27/2007 04:20 AM     
  normally i despise guns...  
 
but if this goes through you can bet your ass i'll bet get one and have no shortage of ammo... i would view this is an declaration of war; against soverignity... and as i have said before if my country were under attack and we didn't deserve it i would fight for this country, i'm not patriot i just fight for what i believe in... i wouldn't be surprised if people resorted to suicide bombing, because this would be a society that i wouldn't want a part of... society is mess up enough as it is now let alone once canada becomes part of the US.
 
  by: havoc666     08/27/2007 04:29 AM     
  free trade and the new security trade  
 
to see u.s and canada as one country is not legal by any means.they can do business and trade but do not have executive powers to give canadas land or money away to any foreign power.

u.s laws suck if canada wants to throw her laws away to the u.s well they better wake up.public laws are the best in canada and if they are turned into u.s laws there is going to be international outrage.just remember whos not signed up to the international crimal court.just remeber who wishs to take the artic away from canada.u.s is infringing on canada values and wishes to dance with her only one problem you spilled your glass on her along time ago and she does not want to date you anymore..........
 
  by: flukemol   08/27/2007 06:04 AM     
  While I like the story  
 
I still question the validity of the source as a news site. The "article" is closed like an open letter or opinion piece. The part of the source that makes me question whether or not it is a news agency are the following phrases that are not quoted by the author, but text written by the author. I am quoting the author of the "article" here. "For this reason the Canadian Action Party/Parti action canadienne calls for..." and from the very next sentence in the same paragraph, "In particular, we call for . . . " It seems to me that the author is calling for action on the behalf of the Canadian Action Party. Would the author of a legitimate news story call for any particular action? I don't think so. A reporter would simply report and let the reader decide what action if any is necessary. This is more like an opinion piece than a news story. Opinion pieces often call for action. I would appreciate this same story from an actual news source and not an opinion piece. Love the story, Jules, but find a better source. This is an opinion piece.
 
  by: tomblik     08/27/2007 07:27 AM     
  one step closer  
 
to america ruling the world
 
  by: aerise   08/27/2007 08:08 AM     
  tomblik  
 
Every news story that has ever existed is an opinion piece because every news story doesn't contain truth in it's entirety.
 
  by: QuestioningAnswers   08/27/2007 08:35 AM     
  wake up guys  
 
this shit is really happening. believe it, or you will be swimming in it before you knew what hit you.
 
  by: maverick7h     08/27/2007 10:07 AM     
  Towns  
 
Being swallowed up into cities are bad enough, God help countries.
 
  by: captainJane     08/27/2007 10:21 AM     
  wow  
 
That's pretty scary.....
 
  by: Maxx20     08/27/2007 02:14 PM     
  @aerise: America ruling the world? Answer me this.  
 
"America is runing the world."


At what point were AMERICANS consulted when this was being proposed?
Still feeling in control?


This is BigCorp in control. And we're not in control, we're just the biggest tool for their plans. And that's what we should be feeling like; "tools" for not seeing it.

Has any of this prosperity 'trickled down' like BigRon said it would?

Or are we sicker, more threatened, poorer, more stressed than ever? Cattle.
 
  by: redstain   08/27/2007 04:12 PM     
  @QA  
 
While you are correct in your assertation that most news stories carry some level of bias, you cannot deny the blatant opinion in this piece. This article actually calls for a specific political action by the readers. The source is not a news source. A news source is required by Short News. I liked the story, but it does not fit the requirements of Short News. I am not suggesting the blocking of the story. I am suggesting that Jules or someone else find a news source for this story so that it doesn't need to be pulled. If a legitimate news story cannot be found, then if we follow the rules for posting on this site it would need to be blocked for being opinion. I am not calling for the immediate removal of this story. I liked the story. I am calling for an immediate source change to one that satisfies the rules of SN.
 
  by: tomblik     08/27/2007 05:05 PM     
  Wake up!  
 
spp.gov. Do you see the domain it's hosted on? .GOV. It's been in the works for some time now. For all you wannabe minutemen out there, you must realize that immigration control was never part of the plan. The prison industrial complex makes billions doing ICE raids, then letting people cross back through the holes. It's perpetual funding for them and they laugh at your incompetence all the way to the bank.
 
  by: lsdfuture   08/27/2007 05:40 PM     
  This just in...  
 
Here's the new UNA (Union of North America) coin, hot off the presses, err stamping presses...

http://s221.photobucket.com/...
 
  by: Zpravodajec     08/27/2007 06:12 PM     
  OK, let's get some perspective here  
 
I'll start w/ saying i haven't fully researched this story yet, However:

The European Union is NOT one country. It is a group of countries w/ the same currency and some trade agreements. France is still France, Switzerland is still Switzerland, etc. If this NAU does go forward we won't be throwing the constitution out the window and probably won't be changing it in any way. People need to know what they're talking about before crying wolf. There will not be one "North American Nation" when/if this thing goes through. There are reasons that this is a bad idea but that's not one of them.
 
  by: etown411   08/27/2007 06:31 PM     
  I changed the  
 
link to the closest mainstream news organization that I could find that has a fairly recent date on the article.
 
  by: Lurker     08/27/2007 06:48 PM     
  @tomblik: (HardNews) read it b4 links disappears  
 
Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America
http://en.wikipedia.org/...


Bush Seeks to Boost Canada, Mexico Ties
http://www.abcnews.go.com/...
 
  by: redstain   08/27/2007 06:50 PM     
  tomblik  
 
I have no reason to disagree, because from the beginning I mentioned that all news stories that have ever existed are opinions. To what degree, now that’s subjective as well. :D
 
  by: QuestioningAnswers   08/27/2007 06:55 PM     
  @etown411's perspective  
 
typo from previous: disappears = disappear

The European Union (EU) involves increased trade and agreements. That's as far as it goes.

NAU involves an opening up of all borders. Crossing Mexico to Texas would be as easy as Utah to Arizona.

And while I don't have a problem with that, I am concerned at the opportunity for those in power to totally rewrite our Laws.
 
  by: redstain   08/27/2007 07:06 PM     
  @etown411  
 
i suggest you look into this alittle more...

when this goes through, canada's and mexico's respective constitutions will cease to exist, the american constitution has been being systematically eliminated since 9/11 (and even before that). the president of the US willl become president of North America...

this really doesn't affect the US all that much, it benifit mexico, in the sense that it wont be illeagal to cross what will be the non-existant border... canada on the other hand gets tied down by america even more than we already are. the REAL ID, will be mandatory for all people of the former 3 nations, well mandatory if you want to have any semblance of rights. the US benefits as as result of the instability of their economy and hense will use canada to stand on, without cananda they have no claim to the arctic and hense no claim to an estimated 25% of the world natural gas and oil.

this is about nothign sort of global dominance this is just the fist step... next you'll see the EU and NAU merge.. likely china and russia will merge from neccessity to protect their interests again western lead global dominance.


also in an unrelated and similar story... my cities last steelmaker has been bought by the US... this city is dead... a few years ago CAMCO moved to north korea putting more than 1600 people out of work, more than 90% of which are still unemployed, dofasco was bought last years by german company luxemburg, and not stelco (which was our last steel producing company) was bought by U.S. Steel it was just announced in todays newspaper.

i used to just want out of this city now i want off this entire continent.... and it looks like i'm not alone... i think you'll start seeing people fleeing the country as a result of this... i'll be one of them otherwise i'll be one of those aquiring arms to protect my rights...

the more the situation turns to chaos the more i understand the mindset of insurgants in iraq and afganistan... sadly i'm starting to support the dire actions of the desperate... while their killing of civilians in reprehensible i fully understand why they resort to such; the majority in iraq are doing nothing about the chaos the US has caused iraq... this is turning into a case of us and them all over again.

i always said if canada gets invade (especially by the US) i'll be one of the first to take up arms... looks like i'll have to hold myself to that... i never quite though i'd actually have to... not in my youth anyhow.

if theres a global war i know what side i'm going to be on... and its looking like russia/china, it certianly wont be NAU.
 
  by: havoc666     08/27/2007 07:26 PM     
  EU is exactly what is NAU is intended to be  
 
The major difference being that the NAU will only be comprised (at least in its current proposal) of Canada, U.S.A. & Mexico. And we all know that there is no way in hell that the U.S. would ever allow this union to be formed where all members would have equal say in all matters!

Pierre Trudeau expressed it perfectly "Living next to the United States is a little like sleeping with an elephant. You always wonder if they will roll over on you."

And like the currently existing NAFTA, again this will lead to all sorts of promises for all parties involved that will never materialize. But then, since it is politicians involved, why we expect anything that they say to us to be truthful, or even remotely possible.

The NAFTA countries have to further their resources to better compete within the global community (much as the EU has done for its member states). The problems then become whether or not each country will live up to its obligations as a member, or immediately demand that the agreement be reworked to their liking and exclusive benefit (as has been seen with NAFTA).
 
  by: Zpravodajec     08/27/2007 07:34 PM     
  @havoc666 & everyone.  
 
You can run from this all you want. Eventually it will catch up to you as a New World Order conspiracy, turned fact. Who is fighting this? Who is Americas next president going to be? Ron Paul is the only candidate that would stand up for the people. Lets just roll over and die -you people make me sick.
 
  by: Vhan     08/27/2007 08:58 PM     
  @Vhan  
 
You're right, but what difference would it make anyway, when a 12 year old middle-school dropout hacker could easily manipulate our electronic voting machines that were DESIGNED to be manipulated. They say if you want to make a difference, get out and vote. But now, even that is a lie, an illusion. People need to take "waking up" to a new level if we want to stop this from happening to our country. But that won't happen. Nobody cares. Most Americans are standing frozen in the street staring into the headlights of an 18-wheeler barreling towards them, and by the time people get a clue and stop peddling the exact same idiotic rebuttals that our lying government has TOLD them to say, and it will be farrrr too late.
 
  by: maverick7h     08/27/2007 09:08 PM     
  Well this messes up all my escape plans  
 
It used to be when i got totally fed up w/ my retarded government i was planning on moving to Canada. Now i guess i'll have to go elsewhere... Chile? Argentina? Peru?

You guys have got me pretty fired up over this. Maybe tonight i'll have time to do some research. For now all i have time for is what i just wrote...

I like to believe that we have the power to turn the tide if we can just get the bushies out of office. Looks like by 2008 (2009, really) it may be too late.
 
  by: etown411   08/27/2007 09:13 PM     
  why...  
 
do people assume the current North American borders are the end-all-be-all of borders and must remain where they are for all time?

There are two ways of expanding one's nation -- by military force or by economic buyout. Seems like the later is in play here.

Governments and nations rise and fall. To remain competitive with the EU and China, the US needs to do something like this to stay afloat else-wise the decline we've already seen in our economy will only get worse.

Now I'm not huge on the idea of simply dissolving the borders between the three N American countries, but it doesn't sound like that's going to be the case, at least not in the foreseeable future. As far as I understand it, this agreement deals more with opening up economic trade between the *separate* nations than it does with consolidation of those nations into a single entity.

Personally I’m for moves that bring us closer to world governments. All this petty flag planting and waving is a rather tiresome aspect of the human condition. When two nations have a major disagreement they go to war. When two states, or two cities, of the same nation have a major disagreement they go to court. I prefer the latter solution to the former.
 
  by: Dedolito     08/27/2007 09:29 PM     
  mmmmm  
 
so this is how is gonna happen.

In mexico, story always go in cicles, every 100 years we have to fight again to become a free nation, in 1810 we fight against spaniards, in 1910 we fight against our corrupt government and european nations, both times we win, maybe because we are to dmn stuborn, but guess what, if this thing really try to overcome our country in 2010 story will repeat itself again, we will fight for our freedom, not the goverment, the mexicans, and we will win, even if only one of us survive, we will win, on the other hand, world will end in 2012 so maybe we don't even bother XDXD
 
  by: demonh8   08/27/2007 09:32 PM     
  I always find it curious....  
 
Mexico was a government put together by the united states. And, since the mexican american war, that puppet government has done as the u.s. has wanted.

Examples: Mexico maintains a mexican/american war cemetery paid for by the mexican government. In it, there are no mexicans, only americans who died in that war. Benito Juarez ran to New York when he was ousted out of the mexican interim government. He formed an army, gathered money and forcefully took it back with the help of america. Pancho villa was murdered by american agents on mexican soil. The u.s. keeps a military presence in mexico and can execute military training on mexican soil with no permission requested from the mexican government. I.e. when the boy sheep herder was killed by u.s. military on mexican soil.
The fact that there are two mexican consulates in chicago representing two different mexican governments shows that this farce is ready to explode. I wonder what sending 12 million illegals back to mexico will do to mexican politics. Can you say cuba? Something has to be done to keep the new world order working... and nation building has to make adjustments sometimes to keep itself alive.

Novus Ordo Seclorum - read your money it says a lot about you.
 
  by: mexicanrevolution   08/27/2007 09:34 PM     
  first  
 
My money only says 50 pesos, second, pancho villa was a sisy, the only real hero for us was Emiliano Zapata, third, well as conspiration theories goes, Benito Juares wasn't put in the chair for the Us Goberment, but for the Free Massons, altough, as far as i can remember, most of the original us presidents where free masons, or that's what conspiration theories says.

Then again, who give a damn about who put who, the only thing i care is the now and the tomorrow, that's what we have to take care about.
 
  by: demonh8   08/27/2007 09:49 PM     
  @Dedolito  
 
I'm for a world government as well, as long as the people are free, and that the government is controlled by the people, not the other way around.
America becoming a union is unconstitutional. The American people only have say what happens in America, not other countries. What would happen to the rights of the people if we become one country? How does Canada have any say for what happens in Mexico? Same goes for every other country.
The fact that the American people have no say in this just goes to show we have no control of the government, and that in itself is unconstitutional.
 
  by: Vhan     08/27/2007 10:16 PM     
  @vhan  
 
"You can run from this all you want. Eventually it will catch up to you as a New World Order conspiracy, turned fact. Who is fighting this? Who is Americas next president going to be? Ron Paul is the only candidate that would stand up for the people. Lets just roll over and die -you people make me sick."

of you can look at leaving as joining a country that you support (for me that would be russia, or china, speaking for major nations) that stand firmly opposed to country carrying this out (US).

if there is a major war i will be on the side i support, not the side i was born into.

stay and be lock up for opposing the government or join another country and fight along side them against the facism that claimed my native land.

i don't look at it as running either way.. it looks like at some time in my life time theres going to be a major war... i already know what side i'm not going to be on.

if you support this shit... feel free to stay... if you don't and still stay feel free to become a political prisoner... or you can try something that has atleast a chance to be effective and get the means to fight back... i don't have access to an army... and beyond that the army of this country is bent over at the whim of the US so we might as well not even have an damn army... especially since our worst threat is out "closest ally".

i;d more support closing the US/canada border entirely than have canada join NAU... either way will destroy canada as we know it, but aleast with the former we are still canada... and if anything we'd have more freedom as result has much of the facism in canada is caused by the US, same with violence (gun smuggling across the border) and general corruption (selling out the country to corporations and other countries and their corporations).

half the time i don't even think canada is worth fighting for, this country doesn't represent me... the only thing i've ever been proud of about being a canadian was not being an american (and this sentiment goes back more than a decade for me... and i'm only 22).
 
  by: havoc666     08/27/2007 10:29 PM     
  floodgates to open for mass legislation rewrites?  
 
We've had a lot of new Acts issued in the last 8 years. Many of them quite controversial. But we've had our Constitution to fall back on.

How can we maintain our core beliefs against the lobbies, the government and all the little paid-activists when the single most important statement of who we are and what we stand for comes into question.
 
  by: redstain   08/27/2007 11:44 PM     
  @tomblik we are now on to our 3rd source  
 
with video footage from cnn (thanks Lurker!) can you believe it now...


can you hear me now?....
 
  by: JulesLady     08/28/2007 01:11 AM     
  @redstain, all the game pieces have been placed  
 
All those acts you speak of are just lying in wait. Bush needs only declare a state of national emergency to officially become the world's most powerful and unrestricted leader. It'll be like flipping a switch.
 
  by: maverick7h     08/28/2007 02:39 AM     
  @maverick7h  
 
most people have no idea how close the US is from actually being a dictatorship... democracy died when bush was SELECTED (and rigged the election), and the autopsy confirmed it when through electronic voting "malfuctions" and "spoiled ballots" bush got "elected".

and yet americans tend to be the first to critize places like venezuela who have a much better democracy in that they actualkly have a democracy and it work for the people rather than against them.
 
  by: havoc666     08/28/2007 03:06 AM     
  @havoc, I wouldn't call Venezuela a democracy eith  
 
...either.
 
  by: redstain   08/28/2007 03:39 AM     
  eh...  
 
Leaving Canada/US/Mexico because life just isn't worth living in US/Mexico/Canada is entirely over-dramatic. If this happens, you will still live in Canada/US/Mexico. No one will raise arms and there will be no Exodus. The individual countries will remain and you will be able to comfortably hate the other countries just the same.

What's the big deal if we get a common currency with some common economic laws? Seems like that would mean I'd be able to go to Canada or Mexico on business and come back with money that isn't worthless in U.S and I wouldn't have to fill out pointless paperwork related to cumbersome non-resident tax laws. It's just money, it's not my identity.

The current human cultures are too different and too intolerant to coexist at a world-government level. If by some miracle it did happen, I can't see a downside that's worse than things staying the same: genocides, famines, culture wars, etc. Would there be a lack of certain freedoms and possibly only an illusion of others? Sure, but that's the double-edged sword of having a large society. There has never been a point in time where we haven't given up the freedoms we create for ourselves to secure the greater good, regardless of what Ben Franklin or any other historical figures have said.

America, just like any other country, has been evil throughout time. Things are no worse now than they were when young people were being drafted into the military for Vietnam, when Kennedy was assassinated, when the Japanese Americans were rounded up into camps, when immigrants were taken off the boats and signed into military duty, when slaves were kept, when Native Americans were slaughtered,... Humans with power tend to be evil in the eyes of those without power, it has nothing to do with America's form or supposed form of government.
 
  by: nicohlis     08/28/2007 04:23 AM     
  @nicohlis  
 
You are so very true. What the BIG deal is, the plans for this happening are not transparent to the people of the United States. The people have no say. Plane and simple.
 
  by: Vhan     08/28/2007 09:10 AM     
  I hate it when people say that...  
 
Idiot central seems to put out a lot of claims of conspiracy - it reminds me of the government's actions during the cold war about ufos. They were a good tool to keep the russians confused.

The new world order is the nation/state (not a conspiracy), whose existence required the creation of the police. The nation state is unique in history and the first was the United States of America (Ref. for philosophical similarities, hanseatic league, john locke, thommas hobbes). Again, this is no conspiracy : it IS the NEW world order. Independence in every nation/state celebrates independence from the old world order.
Check their dates of independence and compare it the independence date of the u.s.a.

Today, we are just working really hard to keep it going. Communism, socialism, facism, capitalism are forms wrapped in some shroud of democracy or totalitarianism, but islam is it's enemy.
 
  by: mexicanrevolution   08/28/2007 04:56 PM     
  I'm the first one  
 
to say no to the idea of N.A Union, but this report
seems pretty dodgy. I mean, ther CCCEOs have
been advocating this a long time, but I doubt it'll
ever have the backing needed for it to happen for
Canada at least. There'd have to be a referendum,
and every Canadian knows how easy those are to
win...
 
  by: Mister crank     08/28/2007 06:29 PM     
  @nicholas  
 
"Leaving Canada/US/Mexico because life just isn't worth living in US/Mexico/Canada is entirely over-dramatic. If this happens, you will still live in Canada/US/Mexico. No one will raise arms and there will be no Exodus. The individual countries will remain and you will be able to comfortably hate the other countries just the same."

no actually at that point i will either take up arms (soemthing i'm generally opposed to) or leave the country... i refuse to live in a country i hate... for the same reason i will not live in the US.

"What's the big deal if we get a common currency with some common economic laws? Seems like that would mean I'd be able to go to Canada or Mexico on business and come back with money that isn't worthless in U.S and I wouldn't have to fill out pointless paperwork related to cumbersome non-resident tax laws. It's just money, it's not my identity."

except the american economy is crashing and its going to take canada with it in this case...

you can change you money at any major bank if you need to, no need to tie a dying ecomony (the US) to one that actually getting better (canada).

"The current human cultures are too different and too intolerant to coexist at a world-government level. If by some miracle it did happen, I can't see a downside that's worse than things staying the same: genocides, famines, culture wars, etc. Would there be a lack of certain freedoms and possibly only an illusion of others? Sure, but that's the double-edged sword of having a large society. There has never been a point in time where we haven't given up the freedoms we create for ourselves to secure the greater good, regardless of what Ben Franklin or any other historical figures have said."

i oppose world government, because it can only ultimately lead to ultimate corrupt, because those that tend to be interest in having power are morally and ethically devoid. if someone that would change so to would be stance, but people are ultimately greedy, people are ultimately unethical/immoral. if people weren;t such government woulf have no purpose at all... government should be as small as possible not as large as possible.

"America, just like any other country, has been evil throughout time. Things are no worse now than they were when young people were being drafted into the military for Vietnam, when Kennedy was assassinated, when the Japanese Americans were rounded up into camps, when immigrants were taken off the boats and signed into military duty, when slaves were kept, when Native Americans were slaughtered,... Humans with power tend to be evil in the eyes of those without power, it has nothing to do with America's form or supposed form of government."

and would you have supported nazi germany if you were in germany when what happened went down would you want to stay... if you answer yes, i can't for the life of me understand why, short of being on a trigger end of the gun (metaphorically and litterially)... if you answer no, than you should fully understand why i would want to leave...

i know a quite few people that want to leave in the event of this... hell i was thinking about this earlier and came to the conclusion i would join the military of china or russia is neccessary if it would get me out of this mess, plus in the event of a world war i wouldn't want to be in the country of my enemy, i would want to be on the side i support, and that is certianly not the US...

i view the US as no better at current than nazi germany before the holocaust was public knowledge. i sure most wont agree with this but this is my opinion and given the warmongering, mass media manipulation, cover-up, and terrorism (both on a physical and metal level) i feel its a valid opinion until there is a dramatic change. so no i will never support canada joining the US any more than i support nazi germany... and i will do whatever i feel neccessary to avoid being part of the problem being leaving or taking up arms against thouse that support an enable such..

this act is at very least unconstitution... and at worst the death of canada and every it claims to stand for and furthermore encouraging a divisive world, as this will likely lead to a china-russian union with other russia allied country involved, which if the NAU happen i would support just for the fact that it would be neccessary to attempt to bring a balance back to the world that has been lost since hiroshima/nagasaki.

if need be i would join their (russia/china) armies in opposition to what i view is an attempt at world domination on the US's part...

in all honesty i would rather any half-way civilised country have the power the US weild as opposed the US which has done absolutely nothing but abuse such power.

call it dramatic if you will but i refuse to sell out myself even if my coutry would sell out itself.... you call it dramatic... i call it neccessary action against an unneccessary problem.
 
  by: havoc666     08/28/2007 07:01 PM     
  @mister crank  
 
"I'm the first one
to say no to the idea of N.A Union, but this report
seems pretty dodgy. I mean, ther CCCEOs have
been advocating this a long time, but I doubt it'll
ever have the backing needed for it to happen for
Canada at least. There'd have to be a referendum,
and every Canadian knows how easy those are to
win..."

i don;t think it will even come down to getting back of the citizen up until recently almost no-one knew about it... it was like the first few days of 9/11 the few that didn't buy the stopy they were feed were dismissed as conspiracy theory nuts, yet no evidence supports the official story, yet these same nuts are turning out to right more and more esspecially since thermite was proved to be used... but then again most people were ignorant enough to believe that the molten steel that was found actually was caused by kerosine which can't possibly melt steel, let alone treated steel.

the fact that this north american union was done entirely behind or back implies they don't give a rats ass about what the people want, the better question to ask is when have they cared what the people want as they never act in out interest but rather against it, and thereby i think they will find some way of dishonestly passing this as i can't see how it could be passed if transparent... if they happens i know many people that will be buying guns... people here think i hate america, but some the people i know would litterally shoot americans on site just for the stance of their country... i would not do so far... but i would definately take up arms if america imposes on canada in a way i view a declaration of war, even if the war is strictly political... at the very least i would leave at the most i would take of arms... and the nickname HAVOC would become far truer.

as i said it this type of shit that makes me understand why insurgant blow up whoever they can to stop their country from being imposed upon political and/or militarily.

for decades the US has used and abused canada... i think its time to send the US a clear message of "impose at your own risk"...

allow me to pose this question, would you fight and die for what you believe?... insurgants can say such and do such... and i can honestly say i would to... granted i don't think suicide bombing is the way to go, but they are a desperate people in an even more desperate time... i understand this and while i don't support the killing of innocent people, i fully support fighting facism, those that support it and esspecially those that enforce it (typically militaries and governments) to the bitter end.
 
  by: havoc666     08/28/2007 07:20 PM     
  The more things change,  
 
The more they stay the same.

Back in the 1950's there was a lot of talk about getting Canada to Join the US. Most US Citizens didnt think that was necessary, and the Canadians I spoke with or heard from didn't like the idea either. I suspect that's still the case.

I doubt Mexico would accede to that plan, nor Canada. I doubt most US Citizens would want it either. Too many sacred cows, too many cultural differences.

There would likely be fighting on all sides. Bad deal all the way around. Politicians can make all the stupid plans they like, but sooner or later the chickens come home to roost. All it means is a change of stupidity (politicians, e.g., Bush for Hillary and back again later). The one thing politicians have in common is that they all lie like rugs.

Keep an eye on those rascals.
 
  by: LeePIII   08/28/2007 10:20 PM     
  One Constitution is worth 10 (many) Presidents  
 
LeePIII, I'd be reluctant to use the term "sacred cow" in the same posting as the Constitution. It's never failed the people yet. The same can't be said of our Presidents - I think everyone can agree on that.

You think nothing will change? How come this agreement was made in 2005 'under the radar'.

It's so obvious they're trying to bury the bad news amongst 'other bad news'.
 
  by: redstain   08/28/2007 10:37 PM     
  @ everyone  
 
This is so very easy to fix. We all need to band together and come up with the idea that money doesn't mean anything, it's LEGAL TENDER!!! Does everyone know what Legal Tender means? It means that it isn't backed up by anything, it is merely an idea. Well if we all get the idea that money is actually just green paper, then you know what, none of these atrocities will ever happen.
 
  by: meshuggahfan   08/29/2007 12:49 AM     
  @havoc  
 
So you would leave Canada if it were economically unioned with the US because it would be like living in Nazi Germany while the Holocaust was going on. Not only that, but you would move to either: (1) a formally communist country guilty of its own genocides and crimes against humanity, or (2) a currently communist country that is generally an enemy of human rights and freedoms. Yeah, I'll call that dramatic.

Since this is such a life-altering topic for you, what are you actually doing about it now? Are you talking to the Chinese or Russian militaries? I'm sure the paralyzing battlefield intensity HAVOC would bring against the evil West is reason enough to let a Canadian defector into their ranks. Are you purchasing your guns to wage your own war? Are you planning any kind of protests? Repetitively posting unrealistic, grandiose comments on a news site?

So we can have cars that park themselves and robotic toilets to wash our back-ends, but having the convenience of a single currency in North America would be a world-ending event? Sure, I can bring my Canadian play-money to the bank, but it sure would be nice to not have to. If Canada is independently entering a union that will destroy its economy, then it's not a well-managed country. If Canada is being forced into this union, then it's already under foreign control. Either way, you should get out as soon as possible... or its not really that bad an idea to be in an economic union.

A North American Union would not create a new single country. This is about business, and business is highly related to border security these days. There is plenty of business back and forth across the CAN/USA/MEX borders so it makes sense to have common economic/border laws. Yes, this is happening behind closed doors, but there are two options: (1) A simultaneous triple-coup to overthrow the Canadian, US, and Mexican governments and replace them all with a single NAU dictatorship to enable common economics, or (2) all three respective governments will have a chance to vote up or down on a final joint proposal in a slow, arduous process. I'd say the latter is more likely.
 
  by: nicohlis     08/29/2007 02:01 AM     
  @nicohlis  
 
"So you would leave Canada if it were economically unioned with the US because it would be like living in Nazi Germany while the Holocaust was going on."

the smart one usual desert a sinking ship... but that only the tip of that this union will be... don't be so short sighted.

"Not only that, but you would move to either: (1) a formally communist country guilty of its own genocides and crimes against humanity, or"

last time i check the US commited event not so dissimilar to genocide in japan... and actively involved in 2 illegal wars and threatening other countries... and last time i check canada was jumping on that band-wagon.

"(2) a currently communist country that is generally an enemy of human rights and freedoms. Yeah, I'll call that dramatic."

actually china is more free at this point than the US is, people i nthe US assume they have rights they no longer have anymore... atleast the chinese are deluding themselves with just false notions or more freedom than they have.

btw, i've not been brainwashed to be anti-communist... but i'm sure you have... and really whatever works for you.

"Since this is such a life-altering topic for you, what are you actually doing about it now? Are you talking to the Chinese or Russian militaries? I'm sure the paralyzing battlefield intensity HAVOC would bring against the evil West is reason enough to let a Canadian defector into their ranks. Are you purchasing your guns to wage your own war? Are you planning any kind of protests? Repetitively posting unrealistic, grandiose comments on a news site? "

IF this happen i will look into a gun or several, anyone can get them... hell they are more common than weed in some areas thanks to US gun running into toronto.

as for the joing the russian military i was just thinking about that earlier today and again i refer to it as a possibility, it would be better than living under US rule, which is what will happen under this union.

"So we can have cars that park themselves and robotic toilets to wash our back-ends, but having the convenience of a single currency in North America would be a world-ending event? Sure, I can bring my Canadian play-money to the bank, but it sure would be nice to not have to. If Canada is independently entering a union that will destroy its economy, then it's not a well-managed country. If Canada is being forced into this union, then it's already under foreign control. Either way, you should get out as soon as possible... or its not really that bad an idea to be in an economic union."

it not simply an economic union its goign to strength the US hold over canada and mexico... a very stategic move militarily when you consider the next world worl will likely be fought pitting the NAU and the EU (or atleast some EU countries) against china, russia and former soviet satelite countries...

like i said i want to make sure i'm on the side i support in such a matter..

if it looked the NAU it going to be a sure thing i'll definately be doing one or the other, preferably the moving one if i can afford it... if not and i've been wondering about this i could try to claim asylum, perhaps in exchange for military service.

"A North American Union would not create a new single country. This is about business, and business is highly related to border security these days. There is plenty of business back and forth across the CAN/USA/MEX borders so it makes sense to have common economic/border laws. Yes, this is happening behind closed doors, but there are two options: (1) A simultaneous triple-coup to overthrow the Canadian, US, and Mexican governments and replace them all with a single NAU dictatorship to enable common economics, or (2) all three respective governments will have a chance to vote up or down on a final joint proposal in a slow, arduous process. I'd say the latter is more likely."

i'd say the latter isn't too likely since it already been under the radar for so long and would still be if it hadn't be exposed... and even know the media coverage on it has been highly limited.

your assuming this is strictly an ecomonic easing of the borders, but no it throws the canadian constitution the mexican constitution out the window... the US's has been long gone. this will form what will essentially be one country...

i think it has everything to do with arctic energy reserves and military positioning against certian countries.

this union isn't quite what the EU is... think more imperically and you'll see it for what it is.

though i predict the EU an NAU will merge at some point... such as a world war, this is why i would want to move to a european country though i still would like to visit some of them.

and the REAL ID is completely of the question which will become mandatory in the US and eventually in canada and mexico if they join the union.
 
  by: havoc666     08/29/2007 02:35 AM     
  @havoc  
 
Care to explain how an economic union is like a country rounding up millions of Jews and murdering them? Oh wait, it's so much more terrible than that. Care to explain how three countries being in a complete economic, political, judicial, and military union is like a country rounding up millions of Jews and murdering them?

So you want to move to Russia because the US has a history with crimes like Japan, or you want to move to China because they know they don't have freedoms or human rights. Now I get it. Go for China, I'm sure they'd let you read Shortnews in exchange for your military service.

IF the NAU happens and you go to get a gun, you should know that by then the government control will be so complete that you'll be flagged and "removed" as a terrorist-assassin-spy before you have a chance to buy any ammo. Better get your gun while you can. You might wanna pick up two, we are talking about fighting against the singularly-controlled, combined military forces of three nations.

Even if this is the "worst" case and it is a complete combination of the three countries in every way, why is that so evil? Will the Hmong Americans be rounded up and put in death camps? Will all the Inuit villages be wiped out in a Darfur-esque manner?

There will be some human sacrifice, there always has been - for every country, for every change. Hopefully those that gain from the change will help those that suffer.
 
  by: nicohlis     08/29/2007 04:09 AM     
  @nicohlis  
 
"Care to explain how an economic union is like a country rounding up millions of Jews and murdering them? Oh wait, it's so much more terrible than that. Care to explain how three countries being in a complete economic, political, judicial, and military union is like a country rounding up millions of Jews and murdering them?"

the US's action esspecially since bush have paralleled nazi germany rise to power... i suppose you don't remember "the enabling act", ask some germans if they remember it, its not very different than the patriot act... infact they are almost identical in what they do.

and its not ass if the US has killed a million of one groups of people... oh wait... they did... and displaced and further 4 million.... its not like they killed hordes of another group of people in veitnam... oh wait... again they did that too.

its not like they killed tens of thousand of people in the blink of an eye on two occassion in japan 60 years ago... oh wait... again they did that...

you were saying???

"So you want to move to Russia because the US has a history with crimes like Japan, or you want to move to China because they know they don't have freedoms or human rights. Now I get it. Go for China, I'm sure they'd let you read Shortnews in exchange for your military service."

no they know they don't have more right than they actually do whereas the US assumes they have rights they don't ... esspecially since heabus corpus got thrown out the window by the bush admin... or did you sleep throw that day of news?

i support russian and china for opposing US domination of the world which they have thoroughly abused.

"IF the NAU happens and you go to get a gun, you should know that by then the government control will be so complete that you'll be flagged and "removed" as a terrorist-assassin-spy before you have a chance to buy any ammo. Better get your gun while you can. You might wanna pick up two, we are talking about fighting against the singularly-controlled, combined military forces of three nations."

like i said guns are easy to get esspecially now with the rampant gun running from the US into canada... guns are more common in some place in my city than marijuana... then again so is cocaine and extasy in the right/wrong areas. can't blacklist a person for buying a gun of ammo if its unknown... and again i would prefer to leave and if need be fight it in the form of part of an army, such as russia's, or china's.

as far as i'm concerned people like me are practically already garaunteed under-watch status ifthe NAU happen... it not like american have privacy so they would canada's, it not like that same system used to impose on such isn't "designed to track terrorists, which seems to include tends of million of americans by the last reports... the people are already considered the enemy in the US, especially anyone not support whats going one... why would canada be any different under US dictatorship?

"Even if this is the "worst" case and it is a complete combination of the three countries in every way, why is that so evil? Will the Hmong Americans be rounded up and put in death camps? Will all the Inuit villages be wiped out in a Darfur-esque manner?"

i'm not sure if you know this... but many americans and canadian alike dislike each other, the societies are fundamental different in a number of aspect, dispite being alike compared to many other societies... its like begging for a civil war... more than half of canada like likely oppose this... IF they knew about it... but they only know what little they are allowed to know. the PM isn't even taking the opposition seriously, but i never supported that bushite, i saw him for what he was before he was elected, sadly most of canada was to ignorant to see through the facade. i would perfer the US not have military dominance on canadia soil... i would prefer canada not commit economic suicide by tying itself top a dying economy... i would prefer canada not tie itself to a nation thats foreign policy is nothing more than warmongering... i would prefer canada not act in general against the the population and behind their backs... i would prefer canada not bending over backward for the US every time the president says so.

"There will be some human sacrifice, there always has been - for every country, for every change. Hopefully those that gain from the change will help those that suffer."

canada will suffer when the US can prop itself even further up on canada as it does with other nations..

the US needs to mature as a country beyond imperialism, they basically been hold canada at the barrel of a gun for decade, and that trigger finger getting awefully jittery lately.

though if your an american and i assume you are i can't really expect toy yo understand why i'd be so concerned about canada, because you probably don't see quite how bad the US has become, especially since bush stole office.
 
  by: havoc666     08/29/2007 04:56 AM     
  @havoc, stay on point  
 
Stay on point. We're not talking Bush's abuse of power after 9/11, we're talking about a union of CAN, USA, and MEX that will happen no earlier than two years after Bush is out of office. How is that union like Nazi Germany? Again, this is not a US takeover of NA. It would seem that CAN and MEX are willing and equal participants in making this happen. If they are not willing participants, then they were forced into this plan much earlier than 9/11.

Stay on point. Mentioning Habeas Corpus does not in any way begin to justify a claim that living in China would be better than living in the US. Do you believe you would be treated much better as a prisoner of the state in China, which I believe doesn't bother with Habeas Corpus at all, or do you think you'd get your organs harvested? What kind of free world run by the people do you think you'd have if China were the supreme world authority?

If there weren't a demand for guns in CAN, there wouldn't be guns in CAN. In the "Drug Dealer..." thread you say, "the dealer is a scapegoat for the stupidity and ignorance of society". Who is the scapegoat for the stupidity and ignorance of CAN since they are more than willing to buy guns despite the problems related to them? Since you said it's the USA "running" them, I would assume you would hold them as the "dealer". If you don't, then the dealer is somewhere between the USA and CAN. Either way, your words imply that Canada's gun problems are Canada's own fault and I would agree.

Do tell, what fundamental differences exist between CAN and the USA such that our police-guarded border is the only thing that keeps us from killing each other? This union would not force us to have every other neighbor trade homes so that its an even mix of Canadians, US-ians, and Mexicans all over. Everyone would stay where they already are and nothing much would change in anyone's daily lives.

Much as I said before, if it's such a national suicide for CAN to join a union with USA and MEX, then its Canada's mismanagement and poor leadership that you should have issue with and it's those faults that you should use as a reason to leave the country. Or, slightly less dramatically, maybe Canada's leadership is not so stupid and this is not so tragic an idea.
 
  by: nicohlis     08/29/2007 06:12 AM     
  @nicohlis  
 
"Stay on point. We're not talking Bush's abuse of power after 9/11, we're talking about a union of CAN, USA, and MEX that will happen no earlier than two years after Bush is out of office. How is that union like Nazi Germany? Again, this is not a US takeover of NA. It would seem that CAN and MEX are willing and equal participants in making this happen. If they are not willing participants, then they were forced into this plan much earlier than 9/11."

canada at least is doing this behind the back of its population, which is unconstitutional.

and as for the stay on point comment, your assuming bush wont invoke his patriot act 2 clause that will allow him to retain power indefinately suspending elections in the US.

and yes from what i understand this NAU union transends the bush admin... i would say it was probably in its mature developmental stage in the early days of PNAC.

"Stay on point. Mentioning Habeas Corpus does not in any way begin to justify a claim that living in China would be better than living in the US. Do you believe you would be treated much better as a prisoner of the state in China, which I believe doesn't bother with Habeas Corpus at all, or do you think you'd get your organs harvested? What kind of free world run by the people do you think you'd have if China were the supreme world authority?"

china has not intrest in ruling the world... only not being ruled other countries.

right now i would say china rights and freedoms are more numberous and better protected than that of america's currently, and china is one a progressive path whereas the US is on a regressive path... china isn't half as bad a country as the US leads its people to think, its not even what it was 10-20 years ago, they are still in the that cold war commie fear mode.... you've already demostrated your inheirent bias against communism, i have no such bias, esspecially having seen the gross failure of capitalism, as well as democracy... to say one is better than the other is foolhardy.

"If there weren't a demand for guns in CAN, there wouldn't be guns in CAN. In the "Drug Dealer..." thread you say, "the dealer is a scapegoat for the stupidity and ignorance of society". Who is the scapegoat for the stupidity and ignorance of CAN since they are more than willing to buy guns despite the problems related to them? Since you said it's the USA "running" them, I would assume you would hold them as the "dealer". If you don't, then the dealer is somewhere between the USA and CAN. Either way, your words imply that Canada's gun problems are Canada's own fault and I would agree."

yes, the gun problem is canada's fault, a market is neccessary to facilitate sales. however unregistered guns shouldn't even be able to get over the border... but i personally know that the canadian side of the border is so lax you could litterally have a suitcase full of gun and still get buy, last time i went to the US; 2 years ago, on the way back they didn't even check anything... was kind of surprised our border is do lax, its not wonder we have the gun problem we do.

"o tell, what fundamental differences exist between CAN and the USA such that our police-guarded border is the only thing that keeps us from killing each other? This union would not force us to have every other neighbor trade homes so that its an even mix of Canadians, US-ians, and Mexicans all over. Everyone would stay where they already are and nothing much would change in anyone's daily lives."

well for instance comparing how many trigger happy people are in the US compare to canada, per capita you are 8 time more likely to be murder via gun in the US.

most canadians prefer their government retain the role of war keepers rather than join in on the war mongering, though americans are increasing waking up to this.

the way social programs are conducted like healthcare, 1/6th of the US is either not covered or has inadequete coverage whereas in canada, you have a health card, and as such you are covered, so where does this leave our healthcare system which is vital to canada.

and again as i said i know of americans that would love nothing more than to kill canadian, my ex-fiance's uncle hated me just for being canadian...lol

similarly i know canadians who would love to have it out with americans, but for how much they hate what the country is and has come to stand for.

"Much as I said before, if it's such a national suicide for CAN to join a union with USA and MEX, then its Canada's mismanagement and poor leadership that you should have issue with and it's those faults that you should use as a reason to leave the country. Or, slightly less dramatically, maybe Canada's leadership is not so stupid and this is not so tragic an idea."

actually i have hated this PM the whole way, i know he was in bed with bush before he was elected, no one believed me then thinking harper was good simplely because of a liberal scandel involving the former PM which Pa
 
  by: havoc666     08/29/2007 06:59 AM     
  @nicohlis (continued)  
 

actually i have hated this PM the whole way, i know he was in bed with bush before he was elected, no one believed me then thinking harper was good simplely because of a liberal scandel involving the former PM which Paul Martin took over for. canada screwed itself there and i have taken issue with it, don't think i haven't, i hate my government almost as much as i hate the US's... though canada's problems i don't think run nearly as deep, atleast not yet, be were entreching ourselves.

at the very least this will be harmful to canada economically (by tying ourselve to an economy on the brink of collapse), and in sovereignity, which is being threatened ans it highly unconstitutional. but harper like bush doesn't care about the constitution ,nor about the people he is sworn to represent.
 
  by: havoc666     08/29/2007 07:00 AM     
  @ guys seriously  
 
Lets just get rid of money for a couple of months, then "they'll" know we're talking business.
 
  by: meshuggahfan   08/29/2007 01:32 PM     
  @havoc  
 
Right, so the NAU is not like Nazi Germany as you previously stated. Glad that's cleared up. And it's not just the Evil States of America, it's all three nations independently taking part in this union, so that's cleared up too. And you hate Canada too, just not enough to leave it now and join the Russian military. That'd only be worth doing if you could kill US-ians in the World War that would result after the NAU is formed. But since there would be a NAU civil war between the US and Canada, you wouldn't actually have to leave to kill US-ians, you could just enlist with Canada's armed forces.

China just sounds like the perfect place the way you describe it. They have freedoms coming out their faucets and the government will stop at nothing to protect the individual's rights. I could probably go exercise Free Speech at Tiananmen Square and not even get massacred. And it's so nice the way they are supporting the independence of Taiwan.

Right, so the Canadians will stay on their side, the Americans on theirs, the Mexicans on theirs and no one will kill each other, just like I said before. Not liking each other is not a fundamental difference. The US not thinking Canada has a right to exist as a sovereign nation and at every turn trying to exterminate them all would be a fundamental difference that would cause a war, which isn't happening and won't happen.

I'm curious, do you hate Mexico too? You don't seem to ever mention them, you just keep stating how much you hate the US. You do realize they're involved too, right? Should we all assume that a Canadian-Mexican Union is alright in your book? Or would that still violate everything beautiful about Canada?
 
  by: nicohlis     08/29/2007 02:31 PM     
  @Havoc: Holland is nice.  
 
What nicholis is saying is:
"So we're f*cked. What are you going to do about it"?
Isn't that right nicholis?

How about this. We LOBBY and PROTEST for the govt. (this and the next) to desist and reverse the actions?
 
  by: redstain   08/29/2007 04:38 PM     
  @Redstain  
 
Well, the Constitution happens to be one of MY savred cows, and I have no plans to do anything but to "support and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic".

The sacred cows I was speaking of was (for example) the Canadians' penchant for gun-grabbing (no handguns), the Mexican penchant for mordida and bribery, for what the call gun control, and for the generally stupid approach to life and government as practiced by a bunch of booger-eating morons.

I like the constitution the way it is. Even if those two other countries wanted to join the US, I would argue against it. They have their ways, we have ours. We have a hard enough time doing what we should do as it is. We can't elevate the world to our level, but we could sure sink to theirs. I don't want that. I likes things as they are. If Havoc wants to go to Zimbabwe or North Korea or Venezuela, more power to him. Maybe the door won't hit him in the ass, and welcome to leave.

We have our sovereignty, and I like that. I really don't care if other countries think we should change. I think they should change, but they don't seem prepared to do that. Oh, well. I am not about to apoligise for our competition. We win, they lose. Good.
 
  by: LeePIII   08/29/2007 05:23 PM     
  @LeePIII  
 
I agree with you. I really don't want Canada to be
"elevated" to the United States' level.
 
  by: Mister crank     08/29/2007 06:20 PM     
  @nicohlis  
 
"Right, so the NAU is not like Nazi Germany as you previously stated. Glad that's cleared up. And it's not just the Evil States of America, it's all three nations independently taking part in this union, so that's cleared up too. And you hate Canada too, just not enough to leave it now and join the Russian military. That'd only be worth doing if you could kill US-ians in the World War that would result after the NAU is formed. But since there would be a NAU civil war between the US and Canada, you wouldn't actually have to leave to kill US-ians, you could just enlist with Canada's armed forces."

you know i hat rehashing stupidity... stupidity should be painful...

i never said the US was evil... never said nazi germany was evil either... i don't subscribe to evil... thats a religion notion...

i don't give a rats ass about shooting american i have no interest in this... however i will admantment defend my rights and those of other... even if they the end of a weapon.

if there is a civil war is canada... it wouldn't matter canada can't fight the US at home... not without help... our security was bought and sold to the US a long time ago.

in the event of a world war... i cannot support the US... nor its allies in a war... though i due support their opposition especially when their reason for opposition is to "restore the balances of the world" which is hasn't had since the soviet union fell apart... or argueably since the US nuked them some japs.


"China just sounds like the perfect place the way you describe it. They have freedoms coming out their faucets and the government will stop at nothing to protect the individual's rights. I could probably go exercise Free Speech at Tiananmen Square and not even get massacred. And it's so nice the way they are supporting the independence of Taiwan."

and Tiananmian square was when... oh yeah about 20 years ago... exactly in line with the timeline iu said china has been greatly improving since.

i never said china was perfect... only that i think its better than the US at current... how many countries is china illegal warmongering in?... how many countries has china threaten to nuke?

do you even know about social rights in china... on paper they are more free than any american these days... personally in my opinion thats said, but again china has been greatly improving whereas the US is on a decline.

"Right, so the Canadians will stay on their side, the Americans on theirs, the Mexicans on theirs and no one will kill each other, just like I said before. Not liking each other is not a fundamental difference. The US not thinking Canada has a right to exist as a sovereign nation and at every turn trying to exterminate them all would be a fundamental difference that would cause a war, which isn't happening and won't happen."

its more likely we'd be occupied by force for not accepting US dictatorship... harper has no quams about selling out canada... and bush has no moral or ethical concepts about him.

"I'm curious, do you hate Mexico too? You don't seem to ever mention them, you just keep stating how much you hate the US. You do realize they're involved too, right? Should we all assume that a Canadian-Mexican Union is alright in your book? Or would that still violate everything beautiful about Canada?"

yes i know mexico's involved but i actually don't think this would work out so bad for them especiall since about 5 or more US states WERE mexicon land... including california, neveda, kansas...etc.

whereas this is suicide for canada... and i've already given reasons why... if your too stupid to understand them... blame the person or people responsible for your lack of comprehension of this language... and btw, twisting my words like you have been repeatidly is at the least intellectually dishonest... assuming you do understand how your twisting my words... and if not... well i suggest you get help with your comprehension skills, unless the problem is truelly mental... in which case i'm sorry for you.

please at least try harder if your going to discuss this to do so on some form of an intellectually honest or in a non-ignorant way.
 
  by: havoc666     08/29/2007 06:50 PM     
  @redstain  
 
"What nicholis is saying is:
"So we're f*cked. What are you going to do about it"?
Isn't that right nicholis?"

it feels that way too... almost like an occupation thats fated to happen.

"How about this. We LOBBY and PROTEST for the govt. (this and the next) to desist and reverse the actions?"

i honestly wouldn't know where to start... our PM thinks protests against this are "pathetic"... since when does wanting to retain independence become pathetic... did i miss a meeting, i was not aware people fighting and dying for independence beit military or politically was "pathetic"... the train left the station...and evidently i wasn't one it.

harper needs a goods size 13 boot up his posterior.

its actually odd thus far i've only heard the opposition to this being from the NDP, whom i normally oppose and whom normally supports the US... including in weaponizing space through the star wars program.... harp fully supported the star wars program, but as i've said he's a bushite, he will follow bush even if that means piledriving canada's economy by tying it to a dying economy or from its independence, or for what would become a US military occupation of at very least some of canada including the north.

my city alone is being turn into an economic wasteland already... ther problem isn't so much caused by the US, as it is by canada transforming into the US certian practices, like shipping the best jobs over seas... like CAMCO, which employed 1600 while less than 100 of those are actually employed now, 4 years after the fact. then dofasco was bought by a german company called luxemburg, which has again hurt canada economically, namely because the government could have help keep dofasco canada own but didn't have interest in it... now the same has just happened to stelco... just about everyone i know wants out of this city because the jobs just aren't here and the society in generally is becomming increasingly violent at record level, agains namely due to US gun running as thats where most of the firearms involved in the violence come from especially in toronto, which is the next major city from here, 45-60 minute away (on the other side of lake ontario).

i've been seeing canada on a decline socially for quite some time... its starting to make more and more sense seeing as canada is being sold out ther the politician and the big comanies... just like that been happening in the US for ages.
 
  by: havoc666     08/29/2007 07:12 PM     
  @LeePIII  
 
"If Havoc wants to go to Zimbabwe or North Korea or Venezuela, more power to him. Maybe the door won't hit him in the ass, and welcome to leave."

of those countries there is only one i would want to live in.: venezuela.
 
  by: havoc666     08/29/2007 07:16 PM     
  @havoc  
 
"you know i hat rehashing stupidity"
- Then why do you repeat yourself so much?

"for your lack of comprehension of this language... "
- A professional copywriter started laughing and then walked out of the room after trying to read your posts, so I'm pretty sure I'm not the one with language issues. My comprehension is just fine; your comments just don't sound so great when they are combined and taken to a logical conclusion.

"on paper they are more free than any american these days"
- They have Free Speech and can say what they want - on paper - but when they say the wrong things they are taken to prison for an indefinite amount of time. I'm sure the fact that they knew it would happen will help them get through their ordeal.

"whereas this is suicide for canada... and i've already given reasons why... if your too stupid to understand them"
- Awww, did you have to resort to name-calling? I don't care what your reasons are as to why you THINK your version of a NAU would be a Canadian national "suicide" if it were to happen. If a total union is actually proposed and Canada joins the union (willingly or otherwise) and the impact turns out to be as devastating as you're claiming it will be - your problem is with Canada not the US. See below.

"i will admantment defend my rights"
- Your rights go as far as the willingness of those around you to not treat you as an expendable means to their own ends. It's your own elected officials and fellow Canadians that are moving Canada into this union. The changes in Canada are happening because the Canadian people want or accept those changes. If you feel so strongly that this union is a violation of your rights, then defend yourself from the abuses of your own people in Canada. Leave the US out of it.

"intellectually honest"
- To name just a few: you have resorted to name calling, consistently changed the subject, made the US the scapegoat for almost everything, tried to empower your statements by citing hearsay from other angry Canadians, stereotyped Canadians and US-ians, vastly overstated your grasp of language and logic, and have apparently also redefined the term "intellectually honest" if you actually expect anyone to think it applies to you.

I say this isn't that big of a deal and whatever final proposal for a limited union comes out from behind the currently closed doors will not ultimately change anyone's fundamental way of life.
 
  by: nicohlis     08/30/2007 08:47 AM     
  To etown411 down here  
 
Look, you're right that the European Union isn't one country. But you mentioned Switzerland, and Switzerland is not a part of the EU, neither is Norway and a few other countries.
 
  by: revera   09/02/2007 08:29 PM     
  hmm  
 
"Those who give up freedom for security deserve neither." -Ben Franklin (er something to that effect)
I'll be one of the guys with a gun, fighting for my true country.
 
  by: rockerpro   09/08/2007 01:07 AM     
  @havoc:  
 
The American people do want change. Bush has 500 days left. Then he's O-U-T.

We can't get 'rage' or get sucked into the "fait-accompli" (that's french you know) will sapping propaganda from certain people.

Like Tokyo Rose - "you've lost already" talk they're trying to convince you to put your flag down and go back to your homes.

Conserve your energy, and encourage/nurture other people to think for themselves; question what their are told in the News and Papers and Movies.
 
  by: redstain   09/08/2007 01:27 AM     
  We must stand up and fight  
 
As Canadians how can we just do nothing and let the USA take over us and our rights . Next there going to go for one world currency and one world leader . Does everybody forget Hitler . The USA are trying to do the same thing as the Germans were in World War 2 . We should start a resistance , protest , If that doesn't work do what ever it takes . We can not let this happen . Anybody that feels the same way contact me at clubmember@hotmail.com and lets get something done about this .
 
  by: freecanada   10/18/2007 04:53 AM     
  Down with Canada!!  
 
Comparing the U.S to Nazis is crazy. Has America set out to rid the word of Canadians?

Its a good idea but no.

I like this artical i hate Canada and wish we took it over a long time ago from the Brits.
 
  by: U.S Army 1991   05/23/2008 12:06 AM     
  @US army 1991  
 
"Comparing the U.S to Nazis is crazy. Has America set out to rid the word of Canadians?"

is it? ... then obviously your either didn't pay attention to history... or your not paying attention to the present... if a person entirely neutral looked at what hitler did and what didn't is in the process of doing and actually see much of a difference i would be very surprised, keeping in mind they must not have any bias in either case.... i see little difference... and its not just bush... its american policy, bush his admin is simply personifying the problem, much like hitler did, ironically hitler actually helped the economy rather than single handed take it from a high to an amazing low.


@freecanada

i've always been against guns personally but if canada's soveignety is threatened or worse nullified... i'll definately be wanting a gun... atleast until i can afford to move to a country that isn't a US lapdog... canada used to be such a great country, unfortunately i wasn't live when that then came and past.


@nicholas

"- Then why do you repeat yourself so much?"

uh ouch the wit (sarcasm)... lol

"My comprehension is just fine; your comments just don't sound so great when they are combined and taken to a logical conclusion."

logical conclusion?, your arguement is blind denial at best, and yes i'll fully admit my sentence structure is way off, i don't use spell checker and this forum box has habits of eating words while self editing before submission so smaller errors become large errors occasionally... its annoying to me too... still waiting for an edit feature to correct this.

"- Awww, did you have to resort to name-calling?"

actually stupid is an observation in that context... you know an descriptive word.

"I don't care what your reasons are as to why you THINK your version of a NAU would be a Canadian national "suicide" if it were to happen. If a total union is actually proposed and Canada joins the union (willingly or otherwise) and the impact turns out to be as devastating as you're claiming it will be - your problem is with Canada not the US. See below."

actually my problem as a canadian really is with the US goverment, canada has had to endure decades of economic and political bullying by the US.

"- Your rights go as far as the willingness of those around you to not treat you as an expendable means to their own ends. It's your own elected officials and fellow Canadians that are moving Canada into this union. The changes in Canada are happening because the Canadian people want or accept those changes. If you feel so strongly that this union is a violation of your rights, then defend yourself from the abuses of your own people in Canada. Leave the US out of it."

actually most canadian DONT EVEN KNOW about this... this is being done in near complete secrecy, yet has been in the work for more than a decade like a few decades... its mostly for 2 reasons...
1. canada has the most legitment claim to the north pole and hence the resources there...
2. stragetic location namely against russia.

i will be defending myself if this occurs, don't be surprise is a small percentage of canadians suddenly become "insurgants", not every canadians will roll over and take this... not all canadians are as US friendly as you might think, grant i'm more anti US than most, but most of canada is fed up with US politics and the shambles of and economy north americ now has, why??? america policy, free trade really screwed canada.

"I say this isn't that big of a deal and whatever final proposal for a limited union comes out from behind the currently closed doors will not ultimately change anyone's fundamental way of life."

"regime change" never fundamentally change ones way of like.... lol...

being under america control defeats the ideal of everything has represented, being peacekeeping rather than warmongers (or war-starters if you want me to sugar coat the truth for you)... well up to our recent war involvment.
 
  by: HAVOC666     05/23/2008 01:47 AM     
  @Havoc666  
 
Count me in the resistance if this shit goes down.



Signed A proud French CANADIAN
 
  by: Korzen   05/23/2008 02:11 AM     
  @havoc666  
 
It took you 9 months to think of that response? That truly deserves a "LOL". You wanna go back and respond in all the other threads you lost last year?

No edit feature would help you. That's a very sad fact. The only thing that would at least help the rest of us would be a "bury" feature so we could send your tiresome drivel well below anyone's viewing threshold.

It is so boring to constantly read how you think you're going to stand up to this, that, and everything; and how the US is the root of all harm to everything; and how China is so wonderful; and how your public schooling was so terrible; and blah blah blah. Stop talking. Just stop.
 
  by: nicohlis     05/23/2008 03:19 AM     
  @Nicholis  
 
Actually US Army dug up this thread, as he's been doing with multiple others. Havoc probably didn't notice :P
 
  by: Kolman   05/23/2008 03:29 AM     
  @nicholas  
 
"It took you 9 months to think of that response? That truly deserves a "LOL". You wanna go back and respond in all the other threads you lost last year?"

lol... you truely are a fool of fools... as kolman pointed out US army dug it up, IE, why i responded to his comment, his was the first i noticed, i figured mine was the last, wouldn't be the first time, could have also been a time when i didn't sign in for weeks and the thread was forgotten... i dont keep a record of every article i post on...do you?


"No edit feature would help you. That's a very sad fact. The only thing that would at least help the rest of us would be a "bury" feature so we could send your tiresome drivel well below anyone's viewing threshold."

yes, because you've had so much to add...lol

"It is so boring to constantly read how you think you're going to stand up to this, that, and everything; and how the US is the root of all harm to everything; and how China is so wonderful; and how your public schooling was so terrible; and blah blah blah. Stop talking. Just stop."

and instead of disprove anything you simply deny it... isnstead of disproving that the US is causing great harm to the world, even its "allies" you simply close your eyes and ignore it.
i don't think china is wonderful, i just think its better than the US, or more accurately will be in the comming years; 5-15 years.

and yes the public education system in ontario is horrible, it got really bad about 7-9 years ago, and following that trend.

as for "just talking,just stop", likewise.
 
  by: HAVOC666     05/23/2008 03:47 AM     
  @havoc666  
 
I saw plenty well that U.S Army 1991 resurrected the thread. I also saw plenty well that you saw fit to not limit your response to his comment. You had to scroll up 6 posts to reread my last comment from 9 months ago to make the response you did. Laugh at yourself.

I've added plenty when I've had any to add. My posts stand for themselves. The only positive use of your posts is as a guide of how NOT to post.

No one with any objectivity would ever say the US has done no harm. You, however, are a pathetically broken record that scratches out over and over again that the US is to blame for everything. We've heard it all before. You add nothing new. So, again, just stop.
 
  by: nicohlis     05/23/2008 04:39 AM     
  mixed feelings  
 
I have to say i do feel a bit for the canadains not that you have to live next to the american people but that you may have to live under or goverment I mean this could turn out to be a good thing in the end but I see it going very bad and if it turns out good it will start out bad i will not give up my guns im not some crazy that is gonna go shoot people but I love my guns for now though i guess ill prepare for the end of the world with the civil war this will prob start lol
 
  by: Misleduser   04/29/2010 12:53 PM     
 
 
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