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Six Arabic-Speaking US Citizens Sue Airline for Humiliating Them

 

Six American men of Iraqi descent are suing American Airlines for being publicly humiliated and detained after a suspicious passenger reported them. The men were returning home after being at Camp Pendleton to train Marines on Iraqi culture.

"They treated me like a terrorist. We didn't do anything wrong, but they made everybody scared of us," said 30-year-old David Al-Watan. Since the flight couldn't be rescheduled that day, 100 passengers were put up in hotels.

Their lawyer said: "These are some of the most pro-American people around. There's no reason to suspect that these people were a threat on this airline. This is the face of prejudice and racism that happens today."

 
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  This is what happens ....  
 
when you have a nation run on fear.

"...when another passenger expressed concerns to guards partly because she heard the men speaking Arabic."

Should I be worried about the Canadian speaking French too, is he plotting to bring me health care? or how about that Mexican guy over there speaking Spanish, he's plotting to hook my kids on pot and tequila?


Where does it end ?

 
  by: netwerk     11/06/2007 01:25 PM     
  @  
 
Well it's their fault that they were born a race of people of which some of whom became well-known terrorists.
Looks like a duck, Sounds like a duck... you get the rest.

It's called good ol' american common-sense.
 
  by: silentrage   11/06/2007 01:36 PM     
  @silent  
 
Actually, that's called racial profiling. Which is quite the opposite of common sense.
 
  by: jeniq     11/06/2007 02:13 PM     
  @ jeniq  
 
Highlight silentrage's comment with your mouse and you will see the </sarcasm> tag.
 
  by: chaoticvengeance     11/06/2007 02:24 PM     
  I get worried..  
 
about Canadians speaking French, and I am Canadian :)

But racial profiling has no place in our world, people are too prejudice, we need to hold hands and partake in kumbya :)
 
  by: hl2k   11/06/2007 02:30 PM     
  We need  
 
more sarcasm tags, I get very confused!

The US has been an endemically racist country for most of its modern history (remember apartheid anyone?). A racist anti-Muslim government really isn't helping America either.
 
  by: Maxx20     11/06/2007 02:33 PM     
  American Trend  
 
American Sterotype List

1. Native Americans CHECK

2. African Americans CHECK

3. Asian Americans CHECK

4. Arabs/Muslims CHECK

5. ??????
 
  by: KaseKlosed10   11/06/2007 02:52 PM     
  You should see Carlos Mencia on this one  
 
Carlos does a funny bit about if he was airplane security.

But seriously everyone needs to stop fronting, it is wrong to profile people but we all do it in the back of our minds.

Just like when you get on an airplane. Yeah they may be the safest way to travel but in the back of your mind you still have that thought of crashing.

Same when you see some Arabic people on a plane. In the back of your mind you a thought pops up no matter how unprejudiced you are.

A) because they fit the description of the terrorists who blew up the plane
B) You don't know the person personally. You don't know who they are in real life.

In our simple dumb minds that puts a little thought in our head no matter how small it may be.

You are not afraid of flying and in fact enjoy it but the thought of crashing has at least crossed your mind once.

So when a group of people who look similiar to the terrorists who hijacked a plane, we still have a little thought in our mind.

Fear of the unknown. In this story yes these men were in fact at Camp Pendelton but who really knew that? No one knew these people.

The Airlines should have in fact used a lot more discretion in this matter. I hate when people over react.


 
  by: shawn1flog   11/06/2007 05:41 PM     
  @silentrage  
 
Wow, thats a pretty racist remark right there. Must be your fault you were born an idiot, by your own standards.
 
  by: Jediman3     11/06/2007 06:05 PM     
  @Silence  
 
The old adage goes "Monkey see, monkey do" Just as USA see you follow, infact the comment is racist, but then it doesnt stop there.

1 WMD
2 Saddam Linked to Osama
3 Iraqis Al-Qaeda
4 Nuclear weapons
But ofcourse not OIL

If you are an American and stand behind this comment, it makes you a liar, a thief, human right violator and down right shameless.
 
  by: isuzu     11/06/2007 06:38 PM     
  I vould be scared too  
 
If I were flight attandent on that plain
I vould be scared of too.
 
  by: vizhatlan     11/06/2007 07:15 PM     
  @jedi  
 
silentrage is trying to be the Stephen Colbert of Shortnews. Unfortunately, it loses a lot when you can't give it a comicly sly delivery.
 
  by: l´anglais     11/06/2007 07:16 PM     
  @l'anglais  
 
I demand the usage of <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags!!! =)
 
  by: Jediman3     11/06/2007 07:27 PM     
  Americans  
 
Are Americans afraid of everyone? or every race of people?
 
  by: kaseklosed10   11/06/2007 08:09 PM     
  funny thing  
 
Americas are actually every race of people all in one country.
 
  by: shawn1flog   11/06/2007 08:13 PM     
  Idiotic  
 
"These are some of the most pro-American people around,"

How are people supposed to know that. Was it tattooed on their forehead? I've said it before, if not here than other places, SPEAK ENGLISH ON AIRPLANES. I don't blame the other passengers I blame these idiots. What kind of training did they get. Could not have been in common sense.
 
  by: inchdeep     11/06/2007 09:17 PM     
  @inch  
 
wow. just... wow.
 
  by: jeniq     11/06/2007 09:36 PM     
  @inchdeep  
 
Yeah, because everyone knows that terrorists can't speak English. And you know, I don't think you go far enough. These guys should have gotten plastic surgery when they entered this country so as not to look Iraqi. They're just out there, parading it around, how's anyone to know they're not terrorists? After all, we all know how many Iraqis were on those planes on 9/11.

You do, don't you?
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     11/06/2007 09:49 PM     
  Yeah  
 
How dare these <deleted by admin> not realize that English is the only language legally spoken in America?

The airline is only protecting the other passengers' right to never be made uncomfortable (it's in the Bill of Rights... in really small letters). Hopefully these bilingual bastards will pay for this.

On a slightly more serious note: Next time I fly commercial with a friend or relative, I'm certainly going to speak Arabic just to see how they react to a white guy "planning to blow up the plane". I only know a little Arabic, and it's a little rusty at that. Luckily, I don't have to worry about these xenophobic idiots knowing any better. Either that, or find the whitest person (aside from me) and tell the flight attendants that he/she is making me very uncomfortable. I'll make sure to include "I can't understand what he/she is saying. I just don't like the look of 'em." It should make for a fun story to tell next time I'm in Iraq.
 
  by: erasedgod   11/06/2007 09:50 PM     
  F*%#k Them!  
 
What a bunch of whiners! Coming from countries where they don't confront anyone unless they are a BLACK AFRICAN...they are just trying to get some money. Arabs...brown people who became south american and eventually the dreaded...MEXICAN...hehe...are the most racist people I"ve ever seen. So if a few BROWN people speaking Arabic were takin aside in some backward state why is anyone surprised? Teach them to speak Spanish and they might get a job....
 
  by: Kissin'Kate   11/06/2007 10:21 PM     
  @inchdeep  
 
So you must get a lot of comments about you "Pro-American" tattoo on your forehead?

<sarcasm>
You do realize that most of the "known world". By that I mean the world outside the US speaks other languages. I know I know its kind of shocking but its true. Why just the other day I heard a guy speaking Spanish. I was so flabbergasted I didnt know what to do. Then I saw these other brown people speaking some sort of asian language! What is the world coming to! Perhaps we should invade more countries and set up forced-english-learning camps. I think that should do the trick.
</sarcasm>
 
  by: slavefortheman     11/06/2007 10:43 PM     
  @kate  
 
Wow. I hope you didn't hurt yourself with that crap.
 
  by: erasedgod   11/06/2007 10:56 PM     
  @netwerk  
 
Hate to break it you buddy, but your wrong.

Facts about Mexico:
1. Tequila is TERRIBLE.
2. So is Mexican Marijuana.

Facts about U.S.:
1. We make damn fine liquor.
2. We grow some of the best herb in the WORLD on the west coast of the U.S.
 
  by: Chimmy420   11/06/2007 11:00 PM     
  @KaseKlosed10  
 
5. Mexican Americans CHECK CHECK
 
  by: Chimmy420   11/06/2007 11:02 PM     
  @chimmy  
 
"Mexican Americans"

I can't see those two words without thinking about Cheech singing 'em. Funny stuff.
 
  by: erasedgod   11/06/2007 11:24 PM     
  being multilingual.  
 
I'm always amazed by inchdeep and people like him who are distrustful of any sign of intelligence. They're lucky they weren't burnt as witches.
 
  by: redstain   11/06/2007 11:53 PM     
  Sometimes I'm ashamed  
 
to be your typical white American guy. I'm ashamed by all the ignorant crap that comes out of a lot of white peoples mouths. So much hate from towards others.

Problem is, most Americans forget that Americans of english decent stole this country to begin with.

I sit here and read some of the comments here on this board and I think gee, no wonder so many countries hate Americans and want to blow stuff up and kill our soldiers. The the ones who wanna blow us up or kill us still don't like us.

I hope these guys sue the crap out of the Airline and get a big pay day.
 
  by: kristmen   11/06/2007 11:58 PM     
  ahem...  
 
When are people going to realize that, yes, sometimes race IS important in certain situations. I'm still waiting for one of you "kumbya" morons to tell me exactly why racial profiling is "racist, illogical, defeats common sense" and a host of other B.S., when statistics DO prove that people of certain races are more likely to commit crime (or in this case, hijack an airplane) than people of certain other races.

If I get on an airplane and there's people near me speaking arabic, I'm damn well going to ask them politely to stop and if they don't, I'm gonna tell them to stfu. In the end, I might be the one kicked off for being "intolerant" and taking the bus, but atleast I know I won't find myself dead and roasted in a plane that's sticking out of the side of some skyscraper in downtown Toronto somewhere.
 
  by: rippler2k3   11/07/2007 03:24 AM     
  @rippler2k3: 'cos terrorists speak Farsi 2 warn u  
 
Right, 'cos terrorists wear green bandana and speak Farsi just before they detonate.

They're just speaking in their own lingo so they can call you a 'low IQ'd, inbred hick'.

"Kumbya"-F*** you.
 
  by: redstain   11/07/2007 03:58 AM     
  @rippler  
 
Do you idiots get off on making yourselves look like retards? Seriously.

What if these people weren't speaking Arabic? What if they were whispering to each other? Do you really think someone who wanted to take a plane would speak loudly in Arabic and risk someone understanding them? No, they most-likely wouldn't. In fact, you probably wouldn't hear a word out of them. The fact that you're a blatant racist doesn't equal you being vigilant.

" In the end, I might be the one kicked off for being "intolerant" and taking the bus, but atleast I know I won't find myself dead and roasted in a plane that's sticking out of the side of some skyscraper in downtown Toronto somewhere."

Right, how often does that happen again? Next to never. The fact that you "know" that being a racist and getting innocent people tossed off a flight will keep you from dying is hilarious.

Statistics show that white men are more likely to molest children in the US. Does that mean that if I see someone talking to a child, I should call the police? Maybe I should call the police when I see white men walk into a bank...

I really don't think it would be possible for me to overstate my disgust toward you and those like you. These are US citizens. They have as much right to be here speaking Arabic as you do to be here and speaking English.

 
  by: erasedgod   11/07/2007 04:09 AM     
  @rippler  
 
Hilarious. Since you've already been berated for your ideas, I'll simply point out the folly of them. What, exactly, does bitching at people to stop talking funny do? And how, exactly, is race a useful factor in surviving a flight when out of the millions of middle-eastern people who fly every year, only a handful have ever committed terrorist acts?

Admit it, you've not thought about that, you just want a justification for your racism in a time when it's not accepted.
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     11/07/2007 04:34 AM     
  @  
 
Of course I'm being sarcastic.

All it takes to get some real perspective is to put yourself in others' shoes.

In this case, I'm at the airport, about to board my plane and I see a bunch of damn pakis on the same flight as me, I would be scared to hell too. But then I spend 2 of my brains cells that are not thinking about food and sex to ponder on this, and I realize how monumentally stupid it is to presume terrorists nowadays would be trying to bomb planes wearing arabic clothing and speaking arabic all over the place like no one's business.

Seriously wouldn't they teach subtlety as a course at the U A Q if it's one of the world's leading terrorist training schools, eh?
 
  by: silentrage   11/07/2007 06:29 AM     
  @silentrage: control your language  
 
FreeSpeech can be excercised without that kind of language. Looks like you're channelling the spirit of AQ's BNP.
 
  by: redstain   11/07/2007 09:51 AM     
  Are these the ones  
 
Who spread out around an empty plane without seat assignments, requested seat belt extenders they didnt use, and had a press release out 10 minutes after they were released?

As for racial profiling.

Currently, there is a High (relativly speaking) risk of a hijacking, its very likely to be attempted by a young middle eastern male, certainly more likely than by a 60 year old chineese woman.

So, should we be "randomly" searching equal numbers of young middle eastern males and old chineese women?
 
  by: AnsweringQuestions     11/07/2007 11:59 AM     
  Since when has english become the world's superior  
 
language?
so all you "burn arabs alive" out there... i am mostly middle eastern and guess what? I had alot of b*llshit from africans and middleeastern people but never humiliated lkike i read about other middle easterns on the news.
reading this just hit me hard because i don't look middle eastern yet ME people treat me nicely (even though my arabic sucks) and don't mind if i speak english, spanish or greek. However, someone speaking anything other than english should be crucified.
What the hell is wrong with the world?
Why can't people just learn to admire diversity or be tolerant?
Seriously, i don't feel offended when some idoit uses racial descriptions on me, but i feel sorry for others and i feel sorry for those doing it because now from "trainers" these guys will probably hate the U.S. same way hate and intollerance only breed more hate and intolrnce.
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     11/07/2007 01:59 PM     
  sorry for sounding offensive  
 
but it just angers me how intollrnt and close minded some people can be.
oh, and if any of wyou are christian PLEASE go read your bible; you give us christians a bad name.
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     11/07/2007 02:03 PM     
  According to the few Ignorant Whites  
 
We should be able to profile all adult middle aged white males, since they commit the large amount of child offender crimes....

We should profile all people who are muslims, which means all blacks are suspects since over 70% of muslims are of African decent...

We should profile all teenaged white male kids in every high school due to columbine

Truth is we dont profile whites, we profile people of color

Thats unfair and mos def racist of Americans, and its ashame people believe they can predict of prevent crimes by looking at someones skin

Damn anyone remember the last terrorist act on American soil? oh yea 9/11 nothing since then......and I wonder why
 
  by: Kaseklosed10   11/07/2007 06:35 PM     
  The belief in race leads to...  
 
inbreeding... This pseudo science gets too much recognition. In fact, to argue with a racist (anyone who believes in race as though it were a reality) is like arguing with a mentally retarded person about whether santa likes cookies or not.

I would just leave racists to their inbreeding... but inbreeding creates stupid people and stupid people make good automatons: who hate people because they're told to. So, i'm forced to say this: If you're gonna live your life by the rules of stock breeding, make sure you eat your young. It would make the world a better place.

And all your half this and half thats... i have a dog who's half collie and it took a lot of inbreeding to make a collie. Look at yourself in the mirror and stop feeding the breeders/eugenicists justification with identities that make them wet their pants.
 
  by: mexicanrevolution   11/07/2007 07:07 PM     
  @AQ  
 
"Are these the ones who spread out around an empty plane without seat assignments...?"

Um, no, and they're not the ones who flew planes into the WTC on 9/11, either. Let's stick with the details of who THESE people were, rather than using some kind of racial guilt-by-association ploy.

"Currently, there is a High (relativly speaking) risk of a hijacking...should we be 'randomly' searching equal numbers of young middle eastern males and old chineese women?"

How about we just not ground planes in a panic when the former merely speak? That IS what we're talking about here, not searching, not even being vigilant. Maybe you can tell me how racial profiling is a good means of defense when only the tiniest fraction of middle easterners who fly have any ties to terrorism?
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     11/07/2007 07:09 PM     
  @AQ  
 
"Currently, there is a High (relatively speaking) risk of a hijacking"

Do you have any evidence to back up this statement? I may be wrong on this, but I do not remember ANY hijackings since 9/11. There was the show bomber but that failed pretty miserably and besides that cannot think of a single example. Compare that to the previous 3 decades when there was about 300 hijackings per decade:

http://en.wikipedia.org/...

No sources on there so take it with a grain of salt, but I think the general consensus has to be that the rate of hijackings has plummeted since 9/11.

Personally I would attribute this to the only actually useful hijacking countermeasure to come out of the 9/11 attacks: door locks. When combined with the fact that a pilot is never going to give into the threat of killing passengers to turn over control of the plane make hijacking pretty much useless unless all you want to do is blow up the plane.

So you can spout all you want about how in this dangerous world racial profiling is necessary, but unless you can do more than make a baseless claim that airplanes actually ARE more likely to be hijacked now than pre-9/11 your excuse really doesn't hold water as anything but a racially motivated overreaction.
 
  by: gtg833b     11/07/2007 09:58 PM     
  @kristmen  
 
I'd just like to underline everything you said in perfect agreement.

and you guys trying to justify racism just because some people were speaking a language other than english boarding a plane is pathetic and anti-american in nature. Unless the flight crew or passenger understood Farsi and overheard one of them saying "the bomb is in the cargo-hold" or "ready your boxcutters" or "OK, here are our instructions from the CIA" then there's nothing to worry about.
 
  by: spiggy   11/07/2007 09:59 PM     
  @CaseClosed  
 
"Truth is we dont profile whites, we profile people of color"

White man white van?
Washington sniper?

Do you remember that case?
In case anyones forgot.
A black man lost custody of his black son to his black wife.
Neither the Dad or Son were happy.
So, they got a rifle, converted a car, and went on a killing spree, to disguise her murder as a random serial killer.

The police ignored some evidence that pointed to them, because they were looking for a white guy, who was killing people as a statement against over consumption and capitalism.

Not the best example, but racial profiling does profile white people too.

Most serial killers are white, and police do profile that way.
 
  by: AnsweringQuestions     11/08/2007 12:47 PM     
  @various  
 
"The belief in race leads to inbreeding"

No it doesnt.
Inbreeding is breeding with close relatives.
Race is slight genetic variances that create distinct groups.

"In fact, to argue with a racist (anyone who believes in race as though it were a reality) is like arguing with a mentally retarded person about whether santa likes cookies or not."

Yes, because genetics is fake science, God makes us all.

"Um, no,"
Ok, my mistake, must've been two groups.

"How about we just not ground planes in a panic when the former merely speak?"

Well that seems a bit of an over reaction.

"Maybe you can tell me how racial profiling is a good means of defense when only the tiniest fraction of middle easterners who fly have any ties to terrorism?"

Because that tiniest fraction is a much bigger fraction than the even tinier than that fraction of other groups.

"No sources on there so take it with a grain of salt, but I think the general consensus has to be that the rate of hijackings has plummeted since 9/11."

Yep, security has improved greatly.

"So you can spout all you want about how in this dangerous world racial profiling is necessary, but unless you can do more than make a baseless claim that airplanes actually ARE more likely to be hijacked now than pre-9/11 your excuse really doesn't hold water as anything but a racially motivated overreaction."

I didnt say planes are mor elikely to be hijacked, I said they are mor elikely to be hijacked by a person who fits this profile than this profile.
There is a difference.

Racial profiling has loads of great uses.
Some drugs work better on certain races, seriously.
Your more likely to get bowel cancer if your (racialy) from an area with a high risk of mallaria.
Theres a gene we have, if its on, you have an increased resistance to malleria, but your much more prone to bowel cancer.
 
  by: AnsweringQuestions     11/08/2007 01:01 PM     
  @AQ  
 
Quote direct from your comment:

"Currently, there is a High (relativly speaking) risk of a hijacking, its very likely to be attempted by a young middle eastern male, certainly more likely than by a 60 year old chineese woman."

To any English speaker that statement means that:
1. There is currently a relatively high risk of hijacking.
AND
2. That high hijacking risk is higher for middle easter males.

You can't just pretend you didn't speak the first part of that statement once it's been shown to be incorrect.

and from your example of white people profiling:

"The police ignored some evidence that pointed to them, because they were looking for a white guy"

You do realize of course that you just presented the perfect argument for why racial profiling is a bad thing right? All racial profiling does it make people lazy when drawing their conclusions as a result they actually ignore certain pieces of evidence because it does not fit into their preconceived theory of the crime and as a result overall security is decreased dramatically.

Put another way if we focus heavily looking for terrorists that fit our preconceived notion of what a terrorist aught to be, even the terrorist that take the short bus to terrorist camp would be capable of coming up with a plan to attack us using someone that does not fit our profile.
 
  by: gtg833b     11/08/2007 02:14 PM     
  @GTG  
 
"You can't just pretend you didn't speak the first part of that statement once it's been shown to be incorrect."

Fair enough, tha the first part is invalid does not invalidate the second part though.

"You do realize of course that you just presented the perfect argument for why racial profiling is a bad thing right? "

No, I openly admitted it was a bad example, it was simply an example to show that white people are profiled as well.

"All racial profiling does it make people lazy when drawing their conclusions as a result they actually ignore certain pieces of evidence because it does not fit into their preconceived theory of the crime and as a result overall security is decreased dramatically."
Badly used, of course, its a tool, any tool used incorrectly can be ineffective or down right dangerous.

"Put another way if we focus heavily looking for terrorists that fit our preconceived notion of what a terrorist aught to be, even the terrorist that take the short bus to terrorist camp would be capable of coming up with a plan to attack us using someone that does not fit our profile."

Pre conceived notions?
Not what I'm argueing for.
 
  by: AnsweringQuestions     11/08/2007 02:30 PM     
  @AQ  
 
"Fair enough, tha the first part is invalid does not invalidate the second part though."

Yes it does invalidate the second part, to even begin to argue that racial profiling is a legit means to prevent the problem of hijacking you have to first show that hijacking is an actual problem which we need to take additional steps to combat. By failing to show that hijacking remains a significant threat you fail to establish the need for racial profiling. The same argument could be used to allow me to carry a full size tub of toothpaste on an airplane but I will leave that argument for another day. The fact of the matter is that the establishment of locks on cockpit doors and the shift in the way we would potentially deal with a hijacking (no longer do what they say and just ride it out till you get to Cuba) makes hijacking a real no-win as a terrorist target. The "best" the terrorist can hope for in an airplane attack is blowing up the plane, a tragedy sure but can it really compare in impact to a suicide bomber in a marketplace? I would say no your body count is by the nature of the attack extremly limited as is your carnage exposure which is limited to shots of wreckage, not bodies, on the news.

"Pre conceived notions?
Not what I'm argueing for."

Yes it is....that is what racial profiling is, it is taking our notion that potential airplane hijackers will be Middle Easter males and using that to formulate our security strategy. This is an extremly dangerous thing to do.

It is no secret what our notion of a terrorist is, with that in mind it is trivial to come up with an attack vector that does not attack us based on how we think we will be attacked.

Also it is simple cover your ass security which is never a good thing because all it does is look at past attack vectors and build security based solely on past experience. Any security implementation built this way is fundamentally flawed because it is incapable of dealing with dynamic threats which exist in the real world.
 
  by: gtg833b     11/08/2007 03:28 PM     
  @GTG  
 
"Yes it is....that is what racial profiling is, it is taking our notion that potential airplane hijackers will be Middle Easter males and using that to formulate our security strategy. This is an extremly dangerous thing to do."

No, assuming all terrorists always will be middle eastern males is a dangerous thing to do.
Accepting that currently they are most likely to be is different.
I'm not argueing police should assume black people walking down the street are criminals regardless of how you try and paint that as my corner.

"It is no secret what our notion of a terrorist is, with that in mind it is trivial to come up with an attack vector that does not attack us based on how we think we will be attacked."

You can say that about EVERYTHING.

"Also it is simple cover your ass security which is never a good thing because all it does is look at past attack vectors and build security based solely on past experience. Any security implementation built this way is fundamentally flawed because it is incapable of dealing with dynamic threats which exist in the real world."

Again, not what I'm suggesting.
I'm simply saying racial profiling is a useful tool.
Not the only tool we should use, simply one of many.
 
  by: AnsweringQuestions     11/08/2007 04:01 PM     
  @AQ  
 
I will concede that in an idealized world were everyone out there is perfectly trained and perfectly capable of balancing different defensive tools racial profiling might be advantageous....but we do not live in a perfect world in the real world racial profiling becomes a crutch that is used in place of real defensive tools. All it would become is a way for the TSA to make that little bit-or big bit-of racism that is all of us feel a bit better seeing airport security pick on the Arabs.

I personally do not think that making our internal racist feel vindicated is worth singling out an entire group of people.
 
  by: gtg833b     11/08/2007 04:14 PM     
  @AQ  
 
In addendum to my last comment I will go even further to say that any and all probative value that racial profiling might give us is far outweighed by the real world blinders it puts on investigators as to the possibility that the real threat may not fit into the box you think it will.

Your own example is the perfect example of what really happens when we depend too much on profiles and not enough on real investigative abilities.
 
  by: gtg833b     11/08/2007 04:17 PM     
  @Gtg  
 
"but we do not live in a perfect world in the real world racial profiling becomes a crutch that is used in place of real defensive tools"

Well, that I can accept.
 
  by: AnsweringQuestions     11/08/2007 04:29 PM     
  @AnsweringQuestions  
 
you contradict yourself too much...

Race is slight genetic variances that create distinct groups : Yes, because genetics is fake science, God makes us all.

WTF?

Some drugs work better on certain races, seriously : Yes, because genetics is fake science, God makes us all.

What the hell is race? Please do tell - that you can make profiling a science out of it?
 
  by: mexicanrevolution   11/08/2007 05:17 PM     
  @Maxican  
 
"Race is slight genetic variances that create distinct groups"

Your going to have to explain to me just how little genetics knoledge you have so I know where to start with this.

"Yes, because genetics is fake science, God makes us all."

I would hope that in the context, you would see that as clear sarcasm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/...
Would be a good start

Truely fascinating subject

http://en.wikipedia.org/...

That bits pretty interesting too.

"Studies using Mitochondrial DNA have found that all humans today are descended from one woman, named Mitochondrial Eve, who may have lived in Africa some 150,000 years ago. Since Mitochondrial Eve 7500 generations have passed, and since the first split between Africans and non Africans, 2500 generations have passed. This would explain why human genetic diversity is relatively low compared to species that have existed for much longer."
 
  by: AnsweringQuestions     11/08/2007 05:32 PM     
  @AQ  
 
"'How about we just not ground planes in a panic when the former merely speak?'

Well that seems a bit of an over reaction."

Then why do people, like yourself, jump to defend profiling whenever it happens? Most would try to distance themselves from an extreme and ineffective version of a strategy with which they might otherwise agree. But you go on...

"Because that tiniest fraction [or muslim terrorists] is a much bigger fraction than the even tinier than that fraction of other groups."

Really? So you might be right .01%instead of .005% of the time? Somehow, I remain unconvinced on that, but more and more convinced that what this is really about is the freedom to expression racial antipathies (grasping whatever straw of a fraction of a percent one can).
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     11/08/2007 06:16 PM     
 
 
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