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12/31/2007 08:10 AM ID: 67394 Permalink   

RIAA: It's 'Illegal' to Rip Your Own CDs to Your Own Computer

 

The Recording Industry Association of America has said that an Arizona resident whose computer contains almost 2,000 songs ripped from CDs he bought legally is in violation of copyright law for creating the collection.

Jeffery Howell is accused of sharing the songs, but industry officials said he should not have made the copies from his CD collection onto his computer. The RIAA recently won a $220,000 judgment from a woman who downloaded 24 songs.

Lawyer Ray Beckerman said, "Recently, the industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your computer is a violation." Beckerman, who has experience in such cases, has attacked the RIAA's position.

 
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  35 Comments
  
  What a crock...  
 
I don't even know what else to say other than BULL Shi'ite.
 
  by: edya   12/31/2007 08:25 AM     
  wow..  
 
for 2,000 of his own? Thats crazy! The recording Industry needs a clean sweep, me thinks, me does. I guess my collection of 500 CDs x at least 10 songs per is 5,000 mp3s.. never mind the other 31,000... runs and hides..
 
  by: RAD     12/31/2007 08:56 AM     
  Title somewhat misleading  
 
The RIAA lawyers have used the term "unauthorized", not "illegal". There's a big difference between the two terms. As of now, making a personal copy of a CD is legally considered fair use unless they can convince the courts otherwise. Unauthorized means they don't like it, but can't do anything about it.
 
  by: cryingstrings   12/31/2007 09:11 AM     
  @CryingStrings  
 
Sorry - but his title is spot on. From the very first line of the source : "The U.S. recording industry has intensified its fight against illicit downloading, saying it is illegal for someone to transfer music from a CD onto a computer."
They indeed used the word "Illegal" - Apologies if the source was changed or amended since first posted.
 
  by: WWarrior     12/31/2007 10:03 AM     
  In Oz  
 
At least with our new copyright laws, we can now transfer music bought on CD to either a MP3 CD, computer or mp3 player for personal use(of course).

We can also now record TV to watch(once) at a later time. Format change is now a legal thing in Australia. This means we can change video to DVD, CD to MP3, vinyl record to CD, like we have done for sooo long but now allowed to.
 
  by: Ph33r_This   12/31/2007 10:36 AM     
  I wish to salute the RIAA  
 
I'm just unsure whether I should raise one finger or two.

@RIAA
I rip the CDs because the game I'm playing won't work without the CD in the drive. I think friends of yours came up with this boneheaded idea. I refuse to buy a seperate sound system that takes up more of my limited room to do what my computer will do so you leeches can make more profit. I refuse to buy any new CD by any artist you represent.
 
  by: ixuzus     12/31/2007 10:56 AM     
  Kick Garth Brooks and Madonna in the Nuts  
 
This goes back to their crybaby days when they protested the establishment of 'Used CD' shops- whining that they were losing sales due to this immoral sale of previously-owned CDs.

Crock o' lard. RIAA needs to be stopped before they sue another 12 year old!
 
  by: theironboard     12/31/2007 11:19 AM     
  Well well well  
 
The RIAA have finally crossed into their own little dream world. I believe the saying is "Don't bite the hand that feeds you". They are going after someone who has been legally buying these songs and filling their coffers. Insane.
 
  by: Eidron   12/31/2007 12:20 PM     
  Well,  
 
Here's an interesting film then.
http://www.stealthisfilm.com/...

Oh, btw - It's a *free*, Legal download ...
 
  by: WWarrior     12/31/2007 12:29 PM     
  Trickle down effect...  
 
Back in the 80's, there was a huge court battle over the legality of copying cassettes. The court said that it was legal to make a personal copy because, due to the degredation of quality, and exact duplicate could be made and subsequent copies of copies would further deteriorate, etc, etc.

Some of you may remember that it had become illegal to copy DVDs. In fact, it is even illegal in the US to sell software that enables a user to copy a DVD with copy protection on it. The law has even gone so far as to make it illegal to share info on how to circumvent a DVD's copy protection.

It won't be long before the same standard is applied to music. But then that will create a new can of worms:
If I've purchased multiple MP3s, would it illegal if a created a backup of them? What if I backed-up my hard-drive? Would I risk facing lawsuits because my backups happened to contain the MP3s? Does this mean that I have to delete each song from my computer if I uploaded the song to my MP3 player?

Get ready for another wave of RIAA vs The People.
 
  by: CArnold     12/31/2007 02:10 PM     
  Sidenote:  
 
This is in regards to DVDs.
Some of you may have noticed that Microsoft's newer versions of Media Player refuse to play copyrighted DVDs. I think this limitation was implemented to protect their own butts from liability.

It's frustrating when you're on the road or on a trip and your laptop is the only device you have capable of playing DVDs.

Here's a little tip for those frustrated with this limitation:
Download Media Player Classic.

Media Player 6 and prior versions do not have this limitation and *will* play DVDs.

You can download MP-Classic here:
http://www.free-codecs.com/...


There is nothing to install. Just copy the .exe file to your desktop and you're ready to go.

:-)
 
  by: CArnold     12/31/2007 02:17 PM     
  @^^^  
 
keylogge :p
 
  by: silentrage   12/31/2007 02:52 PM     
  DID YOU BUY THAT CD????  
 

OH, you did?... WELL IT'S ILLEGAL TO OWN THAT CD. You should have consulted with us first before continuing to own that piece of property that you paid for. We're going to need to indict you on charges for the ownership of property you paid for. WAIT.... DO YOU OWN THIS CD PLAYER. Clearly you weren't aware that owning property to play your illegally owned, yet legally purchased CD's was illegal. Unfortunately negligence of the law is no excuse. We're going to have take your worldly possessions into our grubby grubby little bastard hands.

Actually, here's a good question. How in the hell can you sue for damages greater than the cost of the song. Should these people be forced to pay what they would have paid had they legally downloaded the songs. Why the 220,000? RIAA ? RiLAME.
 
  by: Burnfactor77   12/31/2007 04:00 PM     
  @Burn  
 
"How in the hell can you sue for damages greater than the cost of the song."

There are two types of damages, punitive and restorative damages.
Punitive damages are punishment, resorative are an attempt to pay specificaly for the damage.

RIAA sues for punitive, which are set by the federal government, its yet to try and sue for the other.

RIAA doesnt sue your for stealing, it sues you for supplying it to others.
 
  by: AnsweringQuestions     12/31/2007 04:22 PM     
  I'm sorry  
 
but the RIAA is seriously overstepping its boundaries, and needs to be permantently shut down.

I'm not justifying the distrobution or download of content you don't own, but when the RIAA says I Can't rip a CD I own to my computer and/or IPOD or let my friends listen when they come over, make a backup of software I purchased in case the CD dies....etc.... come on...

They are already screwing over artists as it is by taking a huge chunk of their change, but suing people for hundres even millions for a f***ing song they downloaded in bad judgement? A slap on the hand and a small (maybe like 100 or 200 bucks) fine is enough...
 
  by: jediman3     12/31/2007 04:47 PM     
  @ixuzus  
 
Game forcing you to use the Game CD? Try a "No-CD Crack!"

;-)

Wait, aren't those illegal, even if you've bought the game? Seems like that falls under fair use as well...

Friekin' RIAA. They are all greedy corporate morons.
 
  by: datsuncaptain1     12/31/2007 06:46 PM     
  If The riaa  
 
has IT's way, you would BUY the CD, and then PAY a fee every time you wanted to listen to it....
 
  by: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh   12/31/2007 07:10 PM     
  @datsuncaptain1  
 
While no-cd cracks are illegal, virtual drives and iso's are not.
 
  by: Tetsuru Uzuki     12/31/2007 07:40 PM     
  RIAA not suing for ripping own CD's  
 
http://www.engadget.com/...

Now they are just after him for illegal downloads.

I just listen to the radio and when they start charging for that I will let them starve. I can envision the music industry with a double barrel shotgun blasting away at both feet. Their hateful attitude will come back to bite them in the ass.
 
  by: Valkyrie123     12/31/2007 07:50 PM     
  Just stupid.  
 
I've never really given two shits about the RIAA, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say the artists they're protecting rarely see a dime of the money they win in these cases.
 
  by: fballer23   12/31/2007 08:25 PM     
  Scare tactics  
 
Yep. Plan ol' cooperate terrorism here.
 
  by: Tibet   12/31/2007 10:47 PM     
  @WWarior  
 
The source is also inaccurate and doesn't go into very much detail as to what is actually going on. The RIAA has been fairly widely mis-quoted on this. Here's the official statement regarding making copies of music on the RIAA web site:

"Copying CDs

* It’s okay to copy music onto an analog cassette, but not for commercial purposes.
* It’s also okay to copy music onto special Audio CD-R’s, mini-discs, and digital tapes (because royalties have been paid on them) – but, again, not for commercial purposes.
* Beyond that, there’s no legal "right" to copy the copyrighted music on a CD onto a CD-R. However, burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won’t usually raise concerns so long as:
o The copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own
o The copy is just for your personal use. It’s not a personal use – in fact, it’s illegal – to give away the copy or lend it to others for copying.
* The owners of copyrighted music have the right to use protection technology to allow or prevent copying.
* Remember, it’s never ok"

The concern in this case is the fact that the defendant shared the music, not that they ripped it to their computer. I do think that the wording was intentionally used to give people the impression that it's not OK though (more money to be had that way).
 
  by: cryingstrings   12/31/2007 11:08 PM     
  I think this article may be no good  
 
I read a comment somewhere i think in the wachington post where it said the guy hav the music on his myspace webpage for people to download. Im sure you can prob back stuff up privatly but not on a public forum where other people "can steal your backup"
 
  by: Brian24jersey   01/01/2008 02:26 AM     
  @naysayers of this article  
 
I was catching up on my daily dose of news on Fox News (the best source of reliable news anywhere, as all of you already know) and I came across an article very similar to this one.

It appears that the RIAA has changed their stance in regards to ripping CDs.

From Fox News:
"Jeffrey Howell of Scottsdale stands accused of placing 54 music files in a specific "shared" directory on his personal computer that all users of KaZaA and other "peer-to-peer" software could access — pretty standard grounds for an RIAA lawsuit.
However, on page 15 of a supplemental brief responding to the judge's technical questions about the case, the RIAA's Phoenix lawyer, Ira M. Schwartz, states that the defendant is also liable simply for the act of creating "unauthorized copies" — by ripping songs from CDs."

http://www.foxnews.com/...
 
  by: CArnold     01/01/2008 02:38 AM     
  @Cryingstrings  
 
Cryingstrings - "The source is also inaccurate and doesn't go into very much detail ..."
=====
I agree with you that the source is perhaps inaccurate, but l'anglais' title is not misleading - as it is based on that source.
 
  by: WWarrior     01/01/2008 08:08 AM     
  Now a few words from my sponsor...  
 
****! THE RIAA
 
  by: Zmethod     01/01/2008 10:43 PM     
  hmm  
 
Next they will say it's illegal to listen to a CD with the headphones too loud since people around you might hear the music and could possibly make illegal copies with some sort of recording device.

Where exactly does all this money go anyway that they are trying to collect i fines? I highly doubt it goes to anything useful. They want you to buy their CDs then slap all these technicalities on what you can and can't do with it. What's the difference if I buy the CD and put it on my computer or buy it off iTunes. Either way I still legally purchased the music so I don't see their reasoning behind ripping it on your computer.
 
  by: ronny_cordova   01/01/2008 11:02 PM     
  hmm  
 
Next they will say it's illegal to listen to a CD with the headphones too loud since people around you might hear the music and could possibly make illegal copies with some sort of recording device.

Where exactly does all this money go anyway that they are trying to collect i fines? I highly doubt it goes to anything useful. They want you to buy their CDs then slap all these technicalities on what you can and can't do with it. What's the difference if I buy the CD and put it on my computer or buy it off iTunes. Either way I still legally purchased the music so I don't see their reasoning behind ripping it on your computer.
 
  by: ronny_cordova   01/02/2008 02:31 AM     
  RIAA losing money  
 
not from MP3's and downloads, but for producing CRAP about bitches, ho's and bling.
 
  by: mcink2   01/02/2008 03:50 AM     
  Does this mean.....  
 
That I can't copy my 40 year old vinyl to cdroms?
 
  by: cavador   01/02/2008 05:16 AM     
  @cavador  
 
If the RIAA get their way!

Anyway, doesn't copyright expire after 50 years anyway? So technically, in 10 years (or less, if the music hadn't just been released when you bought it) you can do whatever you like with it, put it on MySpace, BitTorrent, UseNet etc.
 
  by: TabbyCool     01/02/2008 01:08 PM     
  @Tetsuru Uzuki  
 
Are you sure that ISO's are legal? Making an ISO is equivalent to making a copy/backup. Which is clearly looked down upon.
 
  by: smarta$$     01/02/2008 08:51 PM     
  its been illegal  
 
its been illegal to rip cds to your computer for years and years. Its just noone really got prosecuted. Now that the record companies have seen they can win court cases about illegal donwloads, theyre tryingt to go after 'illegal' rips.
But it has always technically been illegal to rip cds to your computer. And its technically been illegal to put songs on another device (m3 player etc.)
its unregultaed Greedy record companies who bully people into getting their own way.
 
  by: jax_rox   01/04/2008 03:21 AM     
  @all  
 
Tell me again how the RIAA knows what files I 'may' have on my computer, behind my firewall?
 
  by: mcink2   01/04/2008 05:49 AM     
  @Mc  
 
They dont, but they they dont know what files anyone has.

Unless you have file sharing software, at which point your activly telling them what files you have on your computer.
 
  by: AnsweringQuestions     01/08/2008 11:17 AM     
 
 
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