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01/04/2008 01:51 PM ID: 67466 Permalink   

Teens Fined for Cutting Down and Burying Speed Camera

 

Austria: 19-year-olds Peter Hochstacher and Thomas Moebel have been fined £75,000 after they cut down a speed camera that caught them speeding with two axes and a saw before burying it in a nearby farmer's field.

It was eventually discovered by the farmer when he went to plow the field in question. The pair confessed after police examined data from the camera. The fine will be sufficient to finance a replacement speed camera.

 
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  lol  
 
I bet they wish they'd just paid the speeding fine now!
 
  by: TabbyCool     01/04/2008 02:01 PM     
  Good For Them  
 
The police are too lazy to patrol the streets themselves. They are just looking for easy money.
 
  by: Doctor   01/04/2008 02:16 PM     
  I've often thought  
 
it might be fun to cut down or pull over one of those things and smash it. Too old now though. Power to the people on this one.
 
  by: Maxx20     01/04/2008 02:58 PM     
  i often thought  
 
it would be fun to just place duct tape over the lenses.
 
  by: chadatcondonethis   01/04/2008 03:16 PM     
  They dont have them here... Yet...  
 
So far in ATL all we have is the traffic light cameras. So if you run the light you get ticketed. No speeding cameras yet.

I think they should done something other than bury it. IE destroy it first. Make sure the memory inside was destroyed before burying it.
 
  by: slavefortheman     01/04/2008 03:27 PM     
  @Doctor  
 
Haha, what? Do you think the money goes into policeman pockets or something? Is it only against the law if a policeman sees you do it?
 
  by: Fratley   01/04/2008 03:36 PM     
  I HATE these  
 
How long until they put cameras in my damn house too? That way they can make sure that I'm not doing anything bad there either. Rediculous. Chop em all down!
 
  by: darkrom666   01/04/2008 07:05 PM     
  @ fratley  
 
The GOV needs to fun the police depts. Speeding is used as an added tax on the public rather than busting speeders as a deterrent
 
  by: gman   01/04/2008 07:18 PM     
  @fratley  
 
its true.
why else would they have speeding ticket quotas. the concept alone is ****ing ridiculous.
back home they always used to hide patrol cars in unfair spots. for example at the bottom of the hill where the speed limit changes halfway down.
its just a cash cow.
 
  by: hamstertube   01/04/2008 07:30 PM     
  At the very least  
 
They should have removed and destroyed the tape... Kind of funny though.
 
  by: bala_mt   01/04/2008 10:58 PM     
  Shades of "Cool Hand Luke"  
 
"Now Luke, this is for your own good"

"I wish you'd quit being so good to me"

<Whipping follows>

"What we have here, Luke is failure to communicate!"
 
  by: LeePIII   01/04/2008 11:00 PM     
  DANG  
 
There goes his ZR-1 budget!
 
  by: mcink2   01/04/2008 11:10 PM     
  I hate these things...  
 
Thankfully the radar guns on them are on all the time and they use the really crappy "X Band" in the states. If you have a radar detector you know you're coming up on one way before you reach it.
 
  by: Dark_Stang   01/05/2008 02:59 AM     
  Instead of Whining  
 
About the police ticketing you for breaking the law maybe you should follow it and go the speed limit. And as for lazy police my husband has been out in every damn snow storm this year helping all the morons that don't drive properly in the snow and get in accidents. Risking his life in a few cases so people can whine about what cops do.

Yes a few cops are dirty like every other field, but the majority are out there to protect the thankless asses of the world.
 
  by: TaraB     01/05/2008 01:04 PM     
  @Morons  
 
This message is directed at the Two speeders: "You Two are heroes as far as I am concerned, but Next time Morons, Burn the camera first to destroy everything inside its metal casing. And then, dig a little deeper you lazy f@#$@^cks which is the minimum you should have done, or if you are that lazy, dump the camera in a lake, avoid rivers. Hopefully it will rust and the water will further wash out the inside of the camera. Thank you and I hope you have a great life collecting 75,000 pounds for the next 8 years. Cheers, and don't worry what everybody else says, you Two are my heroes. Peace."
 
  by: kmazzawi     01/05/2008 05:38 PM     
  Oh yes, heroes  
 
Because reckless driving and placing your own and other peoples lives in jeopardy is a valid form of civil disobedience oriented at highlighting the draconian requirements of law and the government.

</sarcasm>

The next time someone is killed by a speeder, I hope it's your kid.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   01/06/2008 12:55 AM     
  @Soshi  
 
Firstly, I expect your stay here to be a short one. Secondly, speeding does not equal reckless driving. I can drive more safely at 95mph (traffic permitting) than most people can at 35.

You seem to be greatly over-reacting. I question if you've got the maturity required to be a part of a community like this.
 
  by: erasedgod   01/06/2008 01:58 AM     
  ha!  
 
You know what, eraser? That's what everyone says "I'm a great driver, I don't need to drive slowly like other people, I'll never have a high speed accident"

BULLSHIT

It doesn't matter how good you are, an unexpected event at high speed is going to be tragic. You know what? Simple human physiology - there are hard limits to how fast the brain and muscular system can react to changing events.

At 95mph you're adding nearly 500 meters to your minimum safe stopping distance.

So don't give me any of that. There is no excuse for speeding, and I think the people who have lost loved ones - including more than one of my friends - from high speed accidents (no, they weren't driving) would take a very very dim view of your macho bullshit.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   01/06/2008 02:02 AM     
  Also  
 
Yes, breaking the speed limit is a strong indicator of reckless driving - since it is predicated on the mindset that the law doesn't apply to you, or that false over-confidence in your own driving ability. That's reckless. The speed limit is posted for a reason and it's not to simply inconvenience testosterone happy drivers.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   01/06/2008 02:04 AM     
  500 meters!!!  
 
you must be having a bubble! it does greatly increase the stopping distance but your talking over a quater mile
 
  by: waz1578   01/06/2008 02:49 AM     
  Well  
 
Typo - 50m, but I'm being too generous, should be 100m.

We're talking about 95mph, right?

I remember from the Australian safe driving ads on TV, that every 5kph over 60kph adds 5m? to your stopping distance.

So going 70 = 10m, 80 = 20m, 90 = 30m, 100 = 40m, 110 = 50m, 120 = 60m, 130 = 70m, 140 = 80m, 150 = 90m, 160 = 100m

Of course this is affected by tyre condition and weather, and brake quality.

FTR - 95mph is about 155kph.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   01/06/2008 03:03 AM     
  500 meters  
 
I don't what the actual number is but the exponential increase in distance vs speed is quite dramatic, look it up.

Ever watch auto racing on tv where a car has spun and is sitting cross ways in the middle of the track and someone from WAY back just runs right over top them? Why does that happen, to *professional* drivers....
 
  by: mcink2   01/06/2008 03:11 AM     
  Keep in mind  
 
That increment is the INCREASE in stopping distance - base stopping distance at 60kph is about 45m.

Also keep in mind that is ideal conditions, as mentioned poor breaks, worn tires and bad weather conditions, road surfaces and so on will all increase that distance as well.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   01/06/2008 03:27 AM     
  @soshi  
 
Your over-emotional retort is still irrelevant. Driving fast in itself is in no way indicative of further disregard for the law. It also doesn't mean I'm weaving through traffic like a bastard.

There's no excuse for speeding? There is no need to make excuses for speeding. A speed limit is an arbitrary number. People who simply aren't paying attention are much more dangerous than someone who drives fast, but pays attention like his life depends on it.
 
  by: erasedgod   01/06/2008 03:38 AM     
  @eraser  
 
I'm not going to waste further time showing you why your attitude is bullshit.

You may be able to drive safely PROVIDING NOTHING SUDDEN HAPPENS - you know, like a branch falling on the road in front of your vehicle, a person stepping out from behind an obstruction, heck even animals charging across the road. Sudden events can and do happen, and no amount of sublime vigilance can account for them.

The law is universal, if you pick and choose which laws you choose to obey and observe, then that is a problem in and of itself.

Speed limits are assessed and posted on two criteria - how fast does traffic need to be moving in the area to ensure smooth flow, and what is the theoretical ideal speed for handling that stretch of road.

There is a very good reason speed limits are lower in residential areas for example.

The sad thing is that it is almost always an innocent party that pays the price for idiots like you who think they are God's gift to road racing.

Over emotional? I hardly think so. How flipping arrogant do you have to be to believe that you can drive faster and break the law in doing so, because hey, I'm a better driver than every other schmuck.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   01/06/2008 03:52 AM     
  ahah  
 
they've been doin the same thing in France for quite a few times now, they put some sort of mini bombs on the camera and blow it.. just enough to disable the camera and not hurt somebody with it.

 
  by: ProTesTa     01/06/2008 05:13 AM     
  @speed limits  
 
I'm not sure how many countries this applies to, but in the UK the limits were set around the 1960s I think? They're actually quite low and account for people (like me) who are pretty useless at driving. That said, there's absolutely no reason why someone who can drive properly shouldn't break the limit. If it were really all that dangerous, they wouldn't allow the emergency services to do it, flashy lights and noise *do not* improve car road handling. Also, anyone who thinks that car performance, safety, braking distance and capability hasn't improved in the last few decades really needs to have a look at the reality of modern motoring.
 
  by: Maxx20     01/06/2008 04:07 PM     
  @Soshi  
 
"You may be able to drive safely PROVIDING NOTHING SUDDEN HAPPENS - you know, like a branch falling on the road in front of your vehicle, a person stepping out from behind an obstruction, heck even animals charging across the road. Sudden events can and do happen, and no amount of sublime vigilance can account for them."

Yeah, I wish all those pedestrians would stop sprinting across I-15.

"There is a very good reason speed limits are lower in residential areas for example."

Yeah, for safety. Dumb-ass kids running into the road and such. I don't speed through residential areas, that's dangerous.

"The law is universal, if you pick and choose which laws you choose to obey and observe, then that is a problem in and of itself."

Oh, I'm sorry. I hadn't realized that you're a tool. I wish you'd have come right out and said it.

"The sad thing is that it is almost always an innocent party that pays the price for idiots like you who think they are God's gift to road racing."

Who the hell are you to call me an idiot for thinking that if I can safely move a few miles per hour faster that there's no problem with it? I don't weave through traffic. I don't tail-gate. I don't otherwise drive unsafely except for a bit fast when I feel it's safe.

"How flipping arrogant do you have to be to believe that you can drive faster and break the law in doing so, because hey, I'm a better driver than every other schmuck."

Please. I'd say not very. I don't pretent to possess some supernatural driving ability that gives me the ability to speed without consequence. Honestly, I don't give a damn about laws. I know I'm a better driver because I see other people driving all the time. People have no problem putting on makeup, reading a book / newspaper, eating, talking on a cellphone, changing lanes without looking, refusing to use a turn signal, tailgating, dozing off in traffic, messing with their kids (sometimes in the back seat), watching DVD's (Read: Who the hell needs a dvd player in their SUV?). You're seriously trying to tell me that going 5,10,20 miles above an imaginary number is less safe than all that crap? I see all that in the 20-mile drive to work every morning.

"I'm not going to waste further time showing you why your attitude is bullshit."

Likewise. Maybe someone will find a better use for that soapbox when you're done with it.
 
  by: erasedgod   01/06/2008 04:45 PM     
  @Soshi  
 
Yes Soshi, I am a speeder, And if my kid dies in an accident, it will probably be from a drunk driver or a punk on a cell phone or someone losing control of their car or an idiot racing or someone speeding in a piece of junk that is no longer road worthy. Or the usual. People turning when they should not, specially those intersection turns, jumping in a lane without ample signalling. You know, Soshi, the usual.

As for your point that a law should be respected because it is a law, I am sorry, I do not share the slave mentality. The system is not setup to increase safety, the system is setup to maximize profit and taxation.

Now that I answered your point about speeding, I will answer the point as to why I think those Two are my heroes. I despise speeding cameras. I do not think they should exist. I hate the possibilities they lead to. I hate how once we use them to monitor cars, we start using them to monitor pedestrians. I do not want anyone to have such a control over my society. Not me, not you Soshi, and definitely not your beloved leader-in-chief. The one you seem so willing to offer him your daughter for the jus primae noctis, as it is the law, right?
 
  by: kmazzawi     01/06/2008 05:56 PM     
  @kmazzawi  
 
You have low standards for a hero. Im with you on why they establish laws, but holy shit dude! Heros?! LMFAO.
 
  by: cbwaa   01/06/2008 09:23 PM     
  kamwazzi  
 
Speed cameras do not have the technology to monitor anything - they are high fidelity devices triggered by a speeding vehicle passing between two detection beams or reflecting two active pulses in a way that enables the speeding vehicle to be detected.

Paranoia much?
 
  by: SoshiMaster   01/07/2008 12:32 AM     
  erasergod  
 
I never said those other behaviors that cause accidents were better or worse - I didn't mention them at all as they simply aren't relevant.

Is it better or worse to lose a loved one by a knife or a gunshot or a car accident? Who cares, they are still dead! DEAD IS DEAD!

You can't excuse and justify speeding by saying well hey, there are other behaviors that are far more dangerous that other people do.

WHO AM I? I AM ONE OF THE MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO SHARE THE ROAD WITH YOU!

FTR - Speed cameras are calibrated not to trigger if you are going within 5kmh over the designated speed limit. Many are calibrated with a higher tolerance.

MythBusters did a very good couple of shows on the issue.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   01/07/2008 12:36 AM     
  @Soshi  
 
"FTR - Speed cameras are calibrated not to trigger if you are going within 5kmh over the designated speed limit. Many are calibrated with a higher tolerance.

MythBusters did a very good couple of shows on the issue."

Um... goodie. I knew all this.

"WHO AM I? I AM ONE OF THE MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO SHARE THE ROAD WITH YOU!"

Obviously not. If you were, you'd know that doing a few over is the only way to keep up with the flow of traffic.

You're greatly overstating the risk of speeding in general. I'm not talking about doing 160 through a school zone. I don't know if you caught that or not.
 
  by: erasedgod   01/07/2008 02:07 AM     
  er  
 
Those cameras are put there so you do not speed. Perhaps if you people learn to drive correctly, then you would not need to complain.

It is cause and effect. You do not behave, measures are put there to keep you inline. Personally, I think more needs to be done about speeding morons.

Their licences should have been taken off them, and a higher fine.
 
  by: GarouNova   01/07/2008 02:54 AM     
  @erasergod  
 
I'm not talking about school or residential zones but speeding in general. Surely it is within your comprehension that risks and consequences are increased exponentially inline with increased speed? Do you not get that? Are you one of those people who think "well I've never had an accident so I never will"? Even if you are the best driver in the world, what will you do when another car loses control and you're going too fast to avoid it?

Honestly, I have no problem if you're within 5kph of the speed limit - heck that variance can be accounted for by tire size, but as I said, cameras wont trigger for that - you have to be going faster and often at least 10 or 15 faster. These kids were caught by the camera triggering, they went back and vandalized in the hopes of erasing the trace of their crime and you and others want to hold them up as heroes.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   01/07/2008 12:35 PM     
  @soshi  
 
get off your soapbox, lad. do us all a favor, and leave the emotional drivel behind. resorting to tirades is no way to get your point across on this website, as most here will simply hand you your ass on a silver platter.
 
  by: elijah4twenty     01/11/2008 10:21 PM     
  Emotional  
 
I've provided nothing but factual support. Emotional is raising these vandals up as heroes.

Let's take a step back then.

Those cameras cost a fair bit of money.
The cameras are paid for out of public coffers.
The coffers are filled by taxes and rates.
The working stiff pays the taxes and rates.

Ergo, those cameras were payed for by working stiffs, who may now have to bear the cost of their replacement.

Does that hit a little closer to home.

There is nothing praise worthy about these kids, or their actions.
 
  by: lauriesman     01/12/2008 12:36 PM     
  FFS  
 
What does it take to actually sign out of this thing - I've logged out using MyShortNews, deleted the cookies. It keeps signing back in as Lauriesman. I've changed my nick to SoshiMaster since I split with Laurie over a year ago.
 
  by: lauriesman     01/12/2008 12:38 PM     
  @TaraB  
 
While your hubby's efforts may be commendable. The inverse is probably more accurate. Most cops these days are arrogant punks with tasers. There is no way in hell you can convince anyone that PDs across the country have not been turned into revenue generating, liberty limiting, storm troopers.

http://www.badcopnews.com/...

And they never get punished appropriately for their crimes.
 
  by: machiavelli     01/21/2008 10:56 PM     
  I"VE GOT IT!  
 
Speeding is a GATEWAY crime! That means everyone who has ever broken a speed limit is going to move on to other more heinous crimes and shoud be entered into a national database and have their DNA sampled. We must preemptively quash this crime wave by raisng the price of....
 
  by: machiavelli     01/21/2008 11:09 PM     
 
 
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