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01/17/2008 01:14 PM ID: 67720 Permalink   

Couple Beheaded for Torturing and Murdering Child

 

Saudi Arabia: Nashat Haji and his wife Iman Ghazawi have been publicly beheaded after being convicted of torturing and murdering Haji's daughter from a previous marriage. Haji reportedly had doubts about whether he was the father.

The couple reportedly burned her with a red-hot spoon, ran over her with a car, and hit her with a metal pipe before killing her.

Beheaded with them was Adel al Huthrumi who was convicted of kidnapping and sexually assaulting a boy. Saudi Arabia has already carried out seven executions this year after a record 153 last year.

 
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  37 Comments
  
  Any anti death penelty people care to comment?  
 
I suppose the Saudis have at least got round to executing the right people now.
 
  by: AnsweringQuestions     01/17/2008 01:39 PM     
  If this were Iran....  
 
I would expect to see the pro-war lot commenting on how this country needs to be invaded because it's so backward. Only, this is a US ally, so.......
 
  by: Maxx20     01/17/2008 01:42 PM     
  Why  
 
I think these people got what they deserved, as long as they got a fair trial and were convicted without a doubt.
 
  by: hl2k   01/17/2008 02:37 PM     
  With my  
 
anti-death penalty hat on....

There people are monsters, plain and simple, however, they should be imprisoned for life for their crime.
 
  by: Maxx20     01/17/2008 02:42 PM     
  Anti Death Penalty  
 
I don't see punishing one abhorrent act with another one as justice, its just another abhorrent act. States should frown upon brutality and murder and lead by example, not be a primary party.
 
  by: lachs     01/17/2008 02:49 PM     
  punishing one abhorrent ... nooo  
 
uts getting skum off the street, you can fix them so why not flush them?
 
  by: zortona   01/17/2008 02:53 PM     
  I'm  
 
against the death penalty. In my opinion some people definitely deserve it but our justice system isn't perfect and sometimes it makes mistakes or is manipulated by the unscrupulous. If you imprison an innocent person you can release them and compensate them but if you killed them there's no going back.
 
  by: ixuzus     01/17/2008 02:54 PM     
  No Loss  
 
Serve the shits right.

Screw them.
 
  by: Jeff Rudd   01/17/2008 03:09 PM     
  Why can we  
 
adopt their justice system?
Works a heck of a lot better than ours.
 
  by: pariahpoet   01/17/2008 03:33 PM     
  *can't  
 
n/t
 
  by: pariahpoet   01/17/2008 03:33 PM     
  Anti-anti Execution Position  
 
Some people deserve death - I wouldn't even say as a punishment, but rather as a solution to their problem (psycho/sociopathy). These 2 in Saudi Arabia tortured and murdered a child; I don't see how they could ever function in a society again after that. In Colorado last year, 12 children were killed in homes that Social Services had investigated alone. If the US had a harder stance on murderers, we might not have a crime rate over 5 times per capita what SA does.

At any rate, people in this country who are executed are convicted "without a shadow of a doubt" in a court of law; that makes mistakes harder to make because a judge and jury must all agree to execution. I'm conviced that is enough to save *most* innocent people. Those that slip through, well, think about if you sat in jail for a murder you didn't commit for 30 years - think about what you would accept as "compensation" for being punished for and losing out on 30 years of your life. The government will not pay you that (doesn't really matter what you thought of - they won't pay it). So you end up with a fraction of what 30 years of your life is worth to live out the meager years you have left, no friends, only family, most of which died of old age while you were locked up and not including the spouse that divorced you, no job prospects even if you weren't too old to work, two missing teeth from an abscess, and the relief that you are alive! The life that was miserable will continue to be miserable till the end - that is what it means to be "better off dead".

Then at least the kids that would never visit you at prison would at least think fondly of you as they get money from the US gov't as reparations for your wrongful execution.
 
  by: seanwilks69   01/17/2008 03:36 PM     
  death penalty?  
 
here in the states I am against it. I have various reasons why, but the thing that would make me support it is if we could have it be used simply as a means of removing a dangerous criminal. Not the media spectacle that it has become where the families are there and taunt the person and all that. its childish. If we are going to have the death penalty then it needs to be carried out in a cold, methodical, and emotionless way.
 
  by: RyanB     01/17/2008 04:27 PM     
  I'm not exactly  
 
in favor of the death penalty, but in the case of torturing and murdering your own (or someone elses) child...
I can't say that I oppose it.
 
  by: fballer23   01/17/2008 04:32 PM     
  Im for the death penalty  
 
unless there is some slight doubt that the person is guilty or possibly some other sort of aspects are involved.

But the biggest crime of all is keeping people on death row for 10-20 years before actually executing them... Hell in that time frame a persons life can change. Sometimes for the better. Like that Tookie Williams guy. I think that was his name.

If you are going to execute someone for their crime then DO IT! Dont sit around for 20 years thinking about it... Its just a waste of time, money, and resources. Not to mention its doing nothing but inflicting more pain on the victims family/friends.
 
  by: slavefortheman     01/17/2008 05:18 PM     
  @Maxx20  
 
While I do not advocate killing people in all honesty, sometimes I do think its appropriate to send them down to hell a little sooner.

Sure there are cases when its best to let someone rot in prison, but think about this..they then become a drain on society financially...not to mention letting them live, even if imprisoned might give them some sort of smug satisfaction because they say, look what i did, and I'm still alive, eating 3 meals a day and exercising, free education, etc...its not like they can really contribute back to society at that point...so wouldnt it be better to take the worst of people and just rid the earth of them?
 
  by: jediman3     01/17/2008 06:01 PM     
  Saudi Arabia  
 
Is usually spills blood for no reason at all, but on this one I am afraid it is justified? I totally agree with Ryan.

"here in the states I am against it. I have various reasons why, but the thing that would make me support it is if we could have it be used simply as a means of removing a dangerous criminal. Not the media spectacle that it has become where the families are there and taunt the person and all that. its childish. If we are going to have the death penalty then it needs to be carried out in a cold, methodical, and emotionless way."

If only we could make sure the right people are pulled in this would be better, but as always we can never fully trust the law, I am afraid of the innocent getting killed here too, then the crime has doubled from the victim to the innocent guy that dies for that very crime while the real culprits just walk.
 
  by: captainJane     01/17/2008 06:08 PM     
  Hmm  
 
"keeping people on death row for 10-20 years before actually executing them... Hell in that time frame a persons life can change. Sometimes for the better."

Isn't that an argument *against* the death penalty?
 
  by: l´anglais     01/17/2008 06:19 PM     
  Saudi's Torture For Confessions  
 
The executions clean up the prosecutions trail.

Yeah I still aam anti execution.
 
  by: ichi     01/17/2008 06:59 PM     
  @Maxx20  
 
"If this were Iran I would expect to see the pro-war lot commenting on how this country needs to be invaded because it's so backward. Only, this is a US ally, so......."

I'm not pro-war, but I think you're talking about conservatives and the like. In which case, I think it is necessary to point out that when it comes to good vs evil, there is only one side a person should be on --- regardless of politics, religion, race, etc.

You should read the following thread:
"21 Criminals Hanged to Death In 1 Day [in Iran]"
http://www.shortnews.com/...


I think that you'll find your assumptions a bit off the wall.
 
  by: CArnold     01/17/2008 07:11 PM     
  @Carnold  
 
I spent bloody ages looking for that story this morning, I new it existed.
 
  by: AnsweringQuestions     01/17/2008 07:20 PM     
  @AnsweringQuestions  
 
I spent about 15 mins looking for it, too, before I remembered, "Wait a sec... *I* was the one that wrote that summary! Duh!!"

It was a matter of combing through my stories, then.
 
  by: CArnold     01/17/2008 07:29 PM     
  See that was my problem  
 
I was googling "Carnold likes Iranian death penelty" and variations along that theme...
 
  by: AnsweringQuestions     01/17/2008 07:38 PM     
  They deserved it !!!!!! ohhh a tricky one .  
 
Ohhh I hate to deepen the debate boys and girls but APPARENTLY it’s OK to torture children. These people were obviously sick in the noodle but if they tortured a kid in the name of “the war on terror” would that be ok …

http://www.shortnews.com/...

I suppose no child in Saud Arabia will ever have to undergo such horrible treatment again due to this ruling ....sigh
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     01/17/2008 09:52 PM     
  Death Penalty is appropriate  
 
AS LONG as NO mistakes are made concerning the guilt of the individual sanctioned.

THAT can be a big problem. Punishing the innocent is infamous.
 
  by: LeePIII   01/17/2008 10:20 PM     
  CArnold  
 
Didn't the US hand over war criminals to be hanged in Iraq, just like criminals are hanged in Iran? Also, case in point, they were hanged, the people in this story had their heads hacked off.

So, Iran is worse because of the hanging, right? Sure would be less messy though, wouldn't you agree? In Saudi, if 21 criminals had committed execution-worthy acts, then 21 people would have their heads cut off, that's the punishment. Just the same as Iran, just the same as the good old USA.

@ above; I agree, the criminals in this story are the worst kind and probably deserve no better than death but I disagree with killing so
 
  by: Maxx20     01/17/2008 10:21 PM     
  @l'anglais  
 
Thats why I said that that was a real crime. I think if you are going to execute someone there should be a time limit. IE 1 year or something. If you cannot prove your innocence by then, then olde sparky is going to be your roommate for a few minutes.

Just get it over with and do it right after they have been found guilty! Stop wasting tax payers money, time, resources by keeping them in jail for 20 years. Each prisoner usually costs 10s of thousands to house each year. If you executed all the people on death row, how much money could the tax payers save?

They are already to be executed. Im just saying get it over with!

You are either going to execute people or your wont. And if you are then get it over with!
 
  by: slavefortheman     01/17/2008 10:27 PM     
  .....  
 
my computer is possessed, it seemed to manage to submit that on its own, half way through, anyway to continue....

... with killing so I couldn't suggest that it's right in this case. Miscarriages of justice do happen, fact, dead is forever, as in irreversible, another fact. The two don't sit well together in my opinion.

Jediman; I agree with the financial drain argument, I'd have them doing menial jobs & things to assist the community for the rest of their lives. It would work on a "don't work don't eat" basis, I'm sure some human rights lawyer would call me a Nazi for that suggestion.

CArnold; "when it comes to good vs evil" you seriously think that? Iran bad, America good, it's really that clean cut isn't it? Just like Iraq was bad, after all they had all of those weapons of mass.... hang on... no they didn't.
 
  by: Maxx20     01/17/2008 10:28 PM     
  @Maxx20  
 
Errr... what are you getting worked up about?

"Didn't the US hand over war criminals to be hanged in Iraq, just like criminals are hanged in Iran? Also, case in point, they were hanged, the people in this story had their heads hacked off."

Yeah? So? Hanged, beheaded, fed to lions, electric chair, yada, yada...
The point is to carry out the death penalty, and they did.

Look, Maxx20... I gave you a link. From what you’ve just written and went on a wild tangent about, I think you only read the headline that I gave with the link and began assuming what my stance would have been.

Instead of prematurely jumping to conclusions and flying off the handle, why don't you click on that link and find out what other people's thoughts were. Seriously -- don't comment back until you're read the comments in the link I’ve provided. I think you're going to feel pretty embarrassed after you read them.

Happy reading.
 
  by: CArnold     01/17/2008 11:58 PM     
  @slavefortheman, LeePIII  
 
slavefortheman:
"Im for the death penalty unless there is some slight doubt that the person is guilty or possibly some other sort of aspects are involved."

LeePIII:
"Death penalty is appropriate as long as no mistakes are made concerning the guilt of the individual sanctioned. That can be a big problem. Punishing the innocent is infamous."

As long as there is no doubt... as long as no mistakes are made, right, let's get on those right away. By the time it is discovered that errors were made during DNA analysis, or discover a key witness was full of BS on the stand, it may be too late.
 
  by: caution2     01/18/2008 08:00 AM     
  I was unfortunate/fortunate enough to...  
 
witness public beheadings in my youth.

Always after Friday prayers, always.
 
  by: Zmethod     01/18/2008 08:16 AM     
  @zmethod  
 
was this in saudi? My dad told me about this. He spent a year with Shell over there.
 
  by: evox777   01/18/2008 04:27 PM     
  quite common  
 
for foreigners to be pushed to the front during executions in saudi, not exactly sure why.

by front I mean viewing area, rather than front of line for the chop.
 
  by: AnsweringQuestions     01/18/2008 04:31 PM     
  I Love It!  
 
An eye for an eye! Bleeding heart liberals are killing this country. At least in Saudi Arabia you know if you do something wrong you are gonna pay for it if you are caught. People are gonna have to wake up and take a REAL look around. Criminals get off with almost nothing for sentences to get out and do whatever they want again and again. The punishment SHOULD fit the crime.
 
  by: Chrobe   01/20/2008 12:44 AM     
  This violence is flying the face of some  
 
of the greatest minds to have walked this planet.

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

"We can more easily avenge an injury than requite a kindness; on this account, because there is less difficulty in getting the better of the wicked than in making one's self equal with the good."
- Cicero

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
-Thomas Jefferson

"If you are affronted, it is better to pass it by in silence, or with a jest, though with some dishonor, than to endeavor revenge. If you can keep reason above passion, that and watchfulness will be your best defendants."
-Sir Isaac Newton

"In taking revenge, a man is but even with his enemy; but in passing it over, he is superior."
-Sir Francis Bacon

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
-Gandhi

"Tis more noble to forgive, and more manly to despise, than to revenge an injury."
-Benjamin Franklin

"I have always found that mercy bears richer fruits than strict justice."
- Abraham Lincoln

"It is the deed that teaches, not the name we give it. Murder and capital punishment are not opposites that cancel one another, but similars that breed their kind."
-George Bernard Shaw

“Power is of two kinds. One is obtained by the fear of punishment and the other by acts of love. Power based on love is a thousand times more effective and permanent then the one derived from fear of punishment.”
-Gandhi

"All crime is a kind of disease and should be treated as such."
- Gandhi

"Capital punishment is as fundamentally wrong as a cure for crime as charity is wrong as a cure for poverty."
-Henry Ford

As one reads history, not in the expurgated editions written for schoolboys and passmen, but in the original authorities of each time, one is absolutely sickened, not by the crimes that the wicked have committed, but by the punishments that the good have inflicted; and a community is infinitely more brutalized by the habitual employment of punishment than it is by the occasional occurrence of crime.
-Oscar Wilde

"Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire."
-Confucius

"Let us forgive each other - only then will we live in peace"
-Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoy

"Violence, even well intentioned, always rebounds upon oneself."
- Lao Tzu


"Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary."
-Gandhi

"Treat those who are good with goodness, and also treat those who are not good with goodness. Thus goodness is attained."
- Lao Tzu

"To overcome evil with good is good, to resist evil by evil is evil."
- Mohammed

While on the cross Jesus proclaimed: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
-Luke 23:34

“Take forgiveness. Two levels here. One level: forgiveness means you shouldn’t develop feelings of revenge. Because revenge harms the other person, therefore it is a form of violence. With violence, there is usually counterviolence. This generates even more violence—the problem never goes away. So that is one level. Another level: forgiveness means you should try not to develop feelings of anger toward your enemy. Anger doesn’t solve the problem. Anger only brings uncomfortable feelings to yourself. Anger destroys your own peace of mind. Your happy mood never comes, not while anger remains. I think that’s the main reason why we should forgive. With calm mind, more peaceful mind, more healthy body. An agitated mind spoils our health, very harmful for body.
- The Dalai Lama

"Hatred does not cease by hatred, but only by love; this is the eternal rule."
- Buddha

“A human being is a part of a whole, called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest ... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.”
-Albert Einstein

Those who do not respect these men's words also have no respect for their wisdom.
-----

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until humanity finally understands.

Punishment is not the answer. No amount of punishment will ever stop everyone from doing horrible things (as we can see in our current justice system and other ones). It may be best to remember that people who commit these acts are already tormented. If they were not already hurting, they would likely not hurt someone else. These horrible acts they commit are cries for help, not punishment.
 
  by: QuestioningAnswers   01/20/2008 02:02 AM     
  For pro/con death penalty  
 
Read John Grisham's THE INNOCENT MAN: Murder
and Injustice in a Small Town.

Bad things do happen to good people, or at least
innocent people. This is a clear case of a personal
vendetta by the prosecution and malfeasance by a
number of judges. The primary culprit in the case is
the local DA, and the enablers are the local media.
Living proof that what the media says has MAJOR
influence public opinion.
 
  by: pd39   01/20/2008 03:10 AM     
  Quotable Quotes  
 
"Anyone who advocates war with Iran is neither Ignorant, nor Evil, but Both."-profnasty
 
  by: IWMCB   01/20/2008 01:34 PM     
  :@evox777  
 
You got that right.
 
  by: Zmethod     01/21/2008 02:17 AM     
 
 
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