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01/17/2008 08:53 PM ID: 67732 Permalink   

Internet Service Provider to Assess Billing for Usage Rather Than Flat Fee

 

Time Warner Cable plans on examining a new billing process that would bill internet users for their usage instead of a set rate.

They believe that this would only affect the intense users who account for more than 50% of the total bandwidth. The giant internet provider cited problems with heavy traffic congestion due to large media file downloads.

Subscribers in Beaumont, Texas, will be tested later this year to see if heavy and light users should be billed the same.

 
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  Sort of happens in the UK  
 
Theres usualy three packages.
1gig a month
1gig a day
unlimited
 
  by: AnsweringQuestions     01/17/2008 09:03 PM     
  Cop-Out  
 
Being that they know who the 5% is using 50% of the bandwidth, this is just a cop-out to bill EVERYONE more.

The 5% of users causing this could be dealt with per user, at less initial cost to the ISP. But they would not gain profit that way, only gaining the recoup of the bandwidth loss.

But the ISP would rather change the whole format at a hell-a-cost and recoup more than those losses, in the long run.

The normal user is getting screwed both by the people responsible for the action, AND the ISP taking the action.
 
  by: Discarded Vet   01/17/2008 09:09 PM     
  Hmm  
 
Yeah, and if this goes into effect Time Warner can come pick up their cable box. Billing for usage is just an excuse for them to charge me more than the 60 a month I'm already paying for their crappy "Road Runner" service. The quality of the connection is bad enough let alone if they think they are going to charge me extra for more usage.
 
  by: ronny_cordova   01/17/2008 10:23 PM     
  i think this affects commercial businesses too  
 
this generation is moving towards digital distribution. such services such as Steam, Direct2Drive, iTunes are serving media over the net. if consumers have to pay per gigabyte, this would affect the business plans of Apple, Valve and such. I dont think they would go for this.

i'm a comcast user that works in the advertising industry. other than the slow upstream, im one of the few satisfied customers. i send large files between home and work in this virtual company.
 
  by: foosh84   01/17/2008 10:40 PM     
  lol  
 
back in the day thats all isps offered.
hopefully this old idea doesnt catch on again. im sure they will lose money over this from people canceling there accounts.
 
  by: stonedwookie   01/17/2008 10:49 PM     
  ...  
 
Hey, you there, you're learning too much! Pay up!
 
  by: emceay   01/17/2008 11:35 PM     
  DSL  
 
I never had a problem with DSL and bandwith issues, Comcast will cut your service for over usage, I download 6 to 10 gigs a day sometimes. If you where to do that a lot on Comcast , they cut your service till you call, 2nd time they cut you off for 1 month, 3rd time, they come get their modem. I trust my 6meg download service on dsl over the 8 meg on Comast and their go down weekly service, for sometimes at the same time everyday..
 
  by: thedrewman   01/18/2008 02:49 AM     
  Hmm..  
 
It's probably a safe assumption that the major bandwidth users are on an "unlimited" plan. Therefore they are neither over-using nor abusing their connection. Last I checked, 'unlimited' still means 'without limit'.
 
  by: StarShadow     01/18/2008 04:45 AM     
  OMG OMG OMG  
 
Welcome back Vet!
 
  by: luc1ddr3am     01/18/2008 06:48 AM     
  Comcast AUP  
 
Read the down and you will see that comcast is not unlimited on downloads. Something I should show the comcast users, it is under Network, Bandwidth, Data Storage and Other Limitations section.

http://www.comcast.net/...

 
  by: thedrewman   01/18/2008 06:54 AM     
  Unlimited is B.S.  
 
My broadband isp gives me 12gb on "UNLIMITED" then after that I get only 64kb p/s -(normal speed is 2.5mb p/s)
Can you really call that unlimited?
I once was with Optus on dialup and after 500 mb they used to charge $1.50 per mb.( my monthly bill used to be $250.00)
 
  by: cavador   01/18/2008 09:08 AM     
  What a load of crap  
 
It's just a way to charge people more. The basic fee won't go down for low users, it will remain the same I bet you. They will just hike up the price for high users. Reasonable, I mean they must be losig so much money. Greedy f*ckers
 
  by: barryriley   01/18/2008 09:42 AM     
  low bandwidth  
 
So if I'm a low bandwidth user will my internet fee go down to 12 bucks?
 
  by: shawn1flog   01/18/2008 06:18 PM     
  Saw it coming...  
 
I've seen this coming for quite some time. I knew they'd eventually be switching over to usage, like the electric and other utility companies, and getting rid of the flat fee.

@shawn1flog:
Only if they find that they'll make more money off of the high bandwidth users to make up for what the low bandwidth users don't use. If they see that they would make more with the flat fee in the long run, then they'll stick with that.

But, like other utilities, it will eventually switch over to a usage basis one day.
 
  by: elderban99     01/18/2008 10:30 PM     
  Bait And Switch  
 
These bast*rds waived unlimited access to the internet to lure me away from their competetors, once they procured a strangle hold they want to cop out on the deal.
Rather than investing in keeping the infrstructure up to date they want to deliver over sold bandwidth with usage penaltys.
 
  by: ichi     01/19/2008 04:49 AM     
  ..  
 
They might need to setup tier speeds like other providers do. They said this will only affect high users, what about the low users, they can make lower tier speeds and have all the I only check my email people on the lower speeds, with they can pull back the bandwidth. They are giving everyone equal speeds. I have read the responses from DSL providers some of them are quick to respond they don't have a band with problem because it is controlled at the DSLAM, cables modems might as well be on a linksys router, that is their problem. I know what they are thinking, if people don't like it, they will quite and they could care less. But if you have 5%(7.5 mil customer) jump ship to DSL , that is about 375000 people, that will come to about a loss of 2.2 million dollars a month, 26 million a year loss in biz.. Then what are they going to do next?
It is late, and my math may not be good around now. So Correct me if I am wrong.
 
  by: thedrewman   01/19/2008 07:02 AM     
  It is fair.  
 
You drive a car further, you gotta buy more gas. You leave the lights on all over the house and you pay a higher electricity bill. Turn up the thermostat and you pay a higher heating bill.

I see no problem that some people get charged per usage. For most people that would be a significant decrease in their monthly payments. Some people pay 25 bucks a month to send 1 or 2 emails a day, while the neighbor across the street pays 25 bucks a month to download 2 gigabytes of midget porno per month. This will hurt torrent-users the most, and might not succeed because the ISP will lose that part of their customer base and have only the low-paying customers left. The high-usage users might have to get some hobbies other than surfing the net.
 
  by: theironboard     01/19/2008 09:08 AM     
  Getting close to time to go back to  
 
reading books and listening to the radio.
I will just use my computer to run flight sims. I have nice guitars to play also.
They can shove their bandwidth where the sun doesn't shine. If it's all that good, it won't hurt.
 
  by: White Albino   01/19/2008 11:14 AM     
  Corporations  
 
Like all 'changes' involving money and corporations, this will give them an excuse to charge the average user MORE and pad their wallets. "Obviously we underestimated the actual cost for us per gigabyte... but you won't actually see that extra money back, we're "investing" it...
 
  by: Bella Morte   01/19/2008 01:40 PM     
  Retarded  
 
Electronic communications technology is advancing at such a fast rate that bandwidth is constantly becoming more and more available. Quantum computers, better cable technology, and eventually the Grid, will all invalidate this mindset of charging people more for their net usage.

Still, if it means they can make more of a profit, they'll go ahead with it, and so will many other companies.
 
  by: Daniel2508     01/19/2008 11:32 PM     
  I don't like that at all  
 
It would stop me being here to bug all you guys!

Luc, take a look in forums, Elijahs thread.
 
  by: captainJane     01/20/2008 05:50 AM     
  Money (How to make more....)  
 
If they really wanted to they could restrict the high users.

This smacks more of making money from all users not high users, and who decides what is a 'High User' and what is the limit before you a classified a high user?

 
  by: shimoda   01/20/2008 10:26 AM     
  Re Comcast restricting bandwidth hogs  
 
This might include me. In the past 15 months I've downloaded close to a terabyte of data while using Comcast as my ISP.

I've never noticed any bandwidth restrictions, so I'm assuming this is being done in more densely populated areas where the customer base is greater than it is where I live.

There are more ducks, geese and deer here then there are people. They don't demand much in the way of bandwidth.
 
  by: White Albino   01/20/2008 01:28 PM     
  @ironboard  
 
I see no problem that some people get charged per usage. For most people that would be a significant decrease in their monthly payments. Some people pay 25 bucks a month to send 1 or 2 emails a day, while the neighbor across the street pays 25 bucks a month to download 2 gigabytes of midget porno per month. This will hurt torrent-users the most, and might not succeed because the ISP will lose that part of their customer base and have only the low-paying customers left. The high-usage users might have to get some hobbies other than surfing the net.


Problem is will they do that? It would make sense but what if they simply leave the 45 dollars a month as a base? I don't see them giving folks with low usage 12 dollar high speed. It's not like them to do that. It would be fair if they did.
 
  by: shawn1flog   01/22/2008 04:59 PM     
 
 
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