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01/23/2008 04:17 AM ID: 67859 Permalink   

Why Did We Go To War?

 

The Center For Public Integrity and the Fund for Independence in Journalism has verified that on 532 occasions Bush and his administration officials have said that Iraq had or was making weapons of mass destruction, and was linked to Al-Qaida.

In a two year period they had made over 935 false statements. Bush made 231 false statements about weapons of mass destruction and 28 false statements about the Al-Qaida link to Iraq.
The study concluded that we went to war under false pretenses.

Staff members Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism said "It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al-Qaida,"

 
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Worth a look.
 
  by: ichi     01/23/2008 04:20 AM     
  Moderator  
 
secound paragraph, last line should lead "The not It.
Would appreciate the honor.
 
  by: ichi     01/23/2008 04:32 AM     
  source...  
 
It requires registration.
 
  by: Lurker     01/23/2008 04:37 AM     
  Changed source..  
 
 
  by: Lurker     01/23/2008 04:58 AM     
  Wow!  
 
It's like "I did not have sex with that woman" times 935, only with tens of thousands of people dead!
 
  by: l´anglais     01/23/2008 06:10 AM     
  Anything else new?  
 
How much more milage can "news and journalism" get out of this without actually uncovering anything new or relevant?

I know you can't get enough of this, l'anglais, but really, didn't you know from around week 2 the war was under false pretenses?

For the record though, Iraq did have WMD, just didn't have them when America acted.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   01/23/2008 07:07 AM     
  @SoshiMaster  
 
Of course they had WMDs. We still have the receipt. Your point?

They weren't a threat and had no ties to al-Qaeda. Whether we thought they had WMDs or not is irrelevant, and that's why this story is important. Everyone knew Iraq was harmless regardless. Only complete idiots fell for the lie that an impoverished nation which was broken after years of sanctions would pose the slightest threat to our security.
 
  by: ManilaRyce     01/23/2008 08:44 AM     
  This  
 
is what confuses me most about a proportion of the US population. The facts are right there, right under their noses, they were lied to, taken for mugs, many of them are dead or grieving for relatives, their tax bills could be much less, yet still they say "I back my government". I don't get it? If someone lied to me, killed my friends and wasted my money, I wouldn't support them? It's just something I've never been able to understand.
 
  by: Maxx20     01/23/2008 10:17 AM     
  @maxx20  
 
it's all indoctrination. watch television for a few weeks over here and you'll be goose stepping like everyone else too. you guys still have public airwaves. ours were handed over to private powers from the start. we don't worry that the corporations reporting on the war are also making money off of it because they tell us they're unbiased. thank god for the internet. the upcoming generation is much more informed. all we need to do is keep it open.
 
  by: ManilaRyce     01/23/2008 10:49 AM     
  @ManilaRyce  
 
Yeh, maybe you're right, I remember watching news when I was in the US once, it was very different to UK news.
 
  by: Maxx20     01/23/2008 12:48 PM     
  @manila  
 
So? It's not like I don't already know that. I'm simply saying, some people say there never were any WMDs , not true. There were. Just not right then.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   01/23/2008 01:05 PM     
  War is about money and power.  
 
It has always been like that. That was the reason for any war in the history of mankind.
 
  by: evilrat   01/23/2008 01:50 PM     
  Hail Bush  
 
Reasons aren't really important as they themselves can be debated over the years.

Results will be what's important and history will then tell us the truth of the results.

I'm glad we are there. Hope we are at our next stop soon.
 
  by: allbets     01/23/2008 03:08 PM     
  Results?  
 
If were ever want some semblance of peace we are going to be there forever. Otherwise, whenever we leave, be it tomorrow or twenty years from now, it will go to hell.
 
  by: kolman   01/23/2008 03:16 PM     
  @allbets  
 
you're assbackwards on just about everything. the "why" is always the most important question. the "how" is just a distraction. you love the shiny objects don't you?
 
  by: ManilaRyce     01/23/2008 04:14 PM     
  McCain  
 
Was in Vietnam, but yet, seems to have forgotten it and how we got into it.

Iraq is yet another nation building exercise through occupation.

Historically it doesn't work and never has been proven to work. It always requires sustained occupation, as soon as that is gone it always returns back to rule of how it once was.

See British Empire, Roman Empire, Byzantine Empire, Macedonian Empire, Persian Empire, Russian Empire, Germanic Empire(several times over)... and history will repeat with the US Empire...

It only works from inspiration within and is sustainable when the people embrace the idea from within and choose it themselves freely to fight for it.

This occupation that we are doing is showing the worst side of democracy, by all actuality it is democracy through the barrel of a gun.

It is not inspirational, it is the opposite of inspirational. War used to spread any regime, even democracy, undermines its own purpose.

But history will do what it has always done and that lesson will be taught once again.

I can only hope history will be better taught to our children.
 
  by: ukcn001XYZ   01/23/2008 04:23 PM     
  allbets  
 
Got your tin hat and gun ? On your way to play in the sand are you ?
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     01/23/2008 04:23 PM     
  @ukcn  
 
except as Tony Benn pointed out to old milky tash Boland the US Empire will be the shortest lived of them all as it's days are already numbered.
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     01/23/2008 04:25 PM     
  Ryce  
 
Good thing for you is that from now to eternal you will be able to hate hate hate and have the world's problems to blame on someone else. Aren't you the lucky one.


I will await for your future targets to reveal themselves as you will need to replace Bush when the time comes. I await breathlessly.
 
  by: allbets     01/23/2008 04:28 PM     
  @ HC  
 
Sand? I would rather kill the traitors here at home.
 
  by: allbets     01/23/2008 04:39 PM     
  Why Did We Go To War?  
 
The first time Saddam took a pot shot at one of our planes was a good enough reason.

Kicking out the UN inspectors was a good enough reason.

The second or third ignored UN strongly worded resolution was a good enough reason. After the 16th, the invasion was overdue but too late to keep Saddam from getting his WMDs shipped to Syria.

Kofi Annan and his UN Oil for Food scamming son chumping us was a good enough reason (and a good reason kick the UN out of NYC and turn the HQ into a housing project, for that matter).


 
  by: Soylent Sauce     01/23/2008 04:40 PM     
  @allbets  
 
Why dont you start with yourself then.

After all your rhetoric is nothing but betraying our founding principals and beliefs that countless men and women have died for.
 
  by: slavefortheman     01/23/2008 04:41 PM     
  @allbets  
 
Ah, our local prodigy Bush regime moral officer returns from checking under beds for boogie men to join us for a word.

Do you have a reason for believe what you believe in, any facts to back up your arguments? Or is it more like pull a lever and out spews neo-con rhetoric.

I stopped being afraid of the boogie man when I was 9? What's your excuse?
 
  by: ukcn001XYZ   01/23/2008 04:55 PM     
  sftm  
 
You and the rest of the evil doers will be revealed once Bush is gone and it's only months away. Glad it's so close as to be very noticable that what you people seek is a scapegoat for your personal problems.

Their is no future oasis of the kind you seek even when Bush is gone.

We can now all wait and see who you blame next. In order to have fun with this we ought to guess who it will be.

 
  by: allbets     01/23/2008 05:05 PM     
  @allbets  
 
I'll spoil the suspense. I know you think it will be "The United States of America," since you're incapable of distinguish your homeland from the people currently running it.

The real answer will be, of course, "the people trying to turn America over to hate, intolerance and fear, and away from its rule of law and being a country that used to inspire the world."

If you really love America so much, you have a strange way of showing it, with your unquestioning support of an administration that has done so much to undermine our basic principles.
 
  by: l´anglais     01/23/2008 05:15 PM     
  @allbets  
 
Im not either a repugnican nor a dumbocrat. I wish both parties would take a gun out and shoot themselves in the face and do the world a favor.

Bush is possibly one of the worst presidents we have ever had. I think some people just want anyone else but him since just about any choice is better than what we currently are presented with.

Whenever that pig eventually dies Im sure he will have a nice toasty spot in hell reserved for him and his kind right next to Hitler and Stalin. Maybe they can play cards together and talk about how they were once masters of the earth!

Evil men deserve nothing more than to be extinguished from this earth. They are a plague on humanity worse than all the diseases that ever sprouted. This world would be a much better place without their kind and those that support their murderous regimes.

Saddam was a terrible person. However Bush has made his genocidal achievements seem insignificant in comparison.

There are worse monsters that have come from humanity but Bush will go down in history as one of its most destructive and evil leaders. It may take 500 years but eventually history does write itself correctly.

History is written by the winners but the winners do eventually die off and history can then be accurately written.
 
  by: slavefortheman     01/23/2008 05:20 PM     
  @@  
 
To show everyone I am not a hater per se but a defender I hereby annouce that the next President rather he be Black, woman, white, Rep or Dem ....I will back and defend him.(pronoun)

Let me repeat...I will defend him.

You other people will of course wait and see the next mistakes being made, real or preceived and jump to the popular belief that it's someone's else's fault to why you no longer can make a life worth living with all these criminals in charge.

Like I said, I await to see who your next scape goat will be.
 
  by: allbets     01/23/2008 05:25 PM     
  Ron Paul right all along  
 
This is why he should be president.
 
  by: vhan     01/23/2008 05:29 PM     
  @allbets  
 
I think you are missing the point. We are not looking for a scape goat. We are looking for a way out of a horrible war we should not have even started.

We can blame bush for starting it but it is our responsibility as citizens to end the war if we feel it is unjust. Which recent poll reflect this.

However if we do not end it, the only one to blame is ourselves.
 
  by: slavefortheman     01/23/2008 05:31 PM     
  @SoshiMaster  
 
Didn't I know from around week 2 that the war was waged under false pretenses? No, I did not. I supported the war. I thought there was no way that Bush would lie about something so serious as war. Wasn't I stupid?

No, I really don't seem to be able to get enough of this, it's true. The President of the U.S. and his most trusted advisors conspired to deceive the American public into supporting a war that wasn't justified. Now we've seen over 3,000 Americans die in the war, and tens of thousands of Iraqis, many of them innocent men, women and children.

So let me ask you a question -- is there some sort of switch I can use to turn off reality? Because for me, it's on all the time. Not thinking about the Iraq war won't make it go away, and I can't just "get over" this tragedy, debacle and crime all rolled into one. Tell me, how do you do it? Reality TV? The Serenity Prayer? Or just not really giving a crap?
 
  by: l´anglais     01/23/2008 05:34 PM     
  @Slave  
 
I'm afraid I must disagree

"We are not looking for a scape goat."

Now, perhaps not you personaly, but some people, especialy when they get their own way, blame others when they still fail.

Which can sort of confuse things when people, like bush, are genuinly incompetant.
 
  by: AnsweringQuestions     01/23/2008 05:34 PM     
  @allbets & soylent & l'anglais  
 
@AB: Heh, all this time I though you were being serious. It hadn't even occurred to me that you're just jokin' around.

@Soylent: It always tugs at my heart-strings when a new uninformed apologist comes along spouting talking-points. Welcome aboard.

@L'anglais: " Didn't I know from around week 2 that the war was waged under false pretenses? No, I did not. I supported the war. I thought there was no way that Bush would lie about something so serious as war. Wasn't I stupid?"

Don't feel too bad. I totally bought it. The main reason I joined the Corps is to protect America from those bastards.... as it turns out, we're the bastards.
 
  by: erasedgod   01/23/2008 05:44 PM     
  @sftm  
 
<I think you are missing the point. We are not looking for a scape goat. We are looking for a way out of a horrible war we should not have even started.>

You will be using scape goats for years to come if you don't realize a new age is here. A new dawn has arrived and it's different now.

Real enemies that aren't going away means war that won't go away. So when you aren't able to stop this new era you will have to blame others once Bush is gone. It's actually a real simple concept, either get your own way or scape goat someone cause their is some real sht going on and it's going to lkast for years to come.

Don't worry, we will let your frustrated hate go on. Just keep telling yourself it's all their(government) fault.
 
  by: allbets     01/23/2008 05:47 PM     
  @AnsweringQuestions  
 
True to a point. I mean I do agree that this admin is responsible for getting us into the war. They did lie to us and the world about it and have killed over a million people as a result.

This is a fact. You can place blame on someone that is in fact guilty. However as for a scapegoat... I would place blame on nearly all levels of government for this massive failure. There is no way we could have gone to war with out all their consent.

But the real people to blame are ourselves. We are the ones that elected these people. We are the ones who have yet to end it.

The people are the ones with the power but generally they are not even aware they even posses it.
 
  by: slavefortheman     01/23/2008 05:51 PM     
  @allbets  
 
You should read a bit of history. Imaginary enemies have always been a huge propaganda tool in the hands of the powerful elite.

Jews, Communists, Terrorism, Drugs, Capitalists, Islam, etc.

This story is as old as time. Its sad that in this day in age people still fall victim to these age old lies that those in power had fed the masses.

Did you realize that groups that were once labeled as "Communist Sympathizers" that protest at Ft. Benning, GA, are now classified as "Terrorist Sympathizers".

The peoples supposed enemy is always changing as to suit the governments needs.

The true enemy of the government has never changed. It is the people.
 
  by: slavefortheman     01/23/2008 05:57 PM     
  @l'anglais  
 
<I can't just "get over" this tragedy, debacle and crime all rolled into one.>

Ohhhh woe is me and all my righeousness.

Well before after or during all your woefull thinking about the war try to continue on as if you had a personal life maybe filled with freedom, especially of choices as to go with or without the extra cheese and maybe some assemblence of safety as you move about. Unfornately the other things just must be taken for granted.
 
  by: allbets     01/23/2008 06:01 PM     
  @allbets  
 
Well, that's the problem with me and the rest of the "reality-based community" (http://en.wikipedia.org/... We can't just go on buying the lies like you can, ignoring what's real. The reality is that the war wasn't necessary, it's made terrorism worse, and George W. Bush is largely responsible for that. These are facts as they exist in reality. You can float off into your la-la land, in which Bush is sending off our troops to "kick terrorist azz," but that's not what's going on. Your notions have nothing to do with the real world, but I imagine they help you sleep comfy at night.
 
  by: l´anglais     01/23/2008 07:42 PM     
  @ I'  
 
Go back making your free choices and enjoying your country despite yourself as you surely have the last 7 years.

It's all in your mind Chicken Little. The sky though gray isn't falling.

The real world is watching and nodding in agreement that some things even while unpleasant need to happen to better the world.

Don't be deceived by your own heart, listen to the world, it's talking to you, telling you it's thoughts.
 
  by: allbets     01/23/2008 08:00 PM     
  @allbets  
 
"The real world is watching and nodding in agreement that some things even while unpleasant need to happen to better the world."

Say what? What world is it that you live in again? Or better yet. What are you smoking?

Pass it over here because that must be some good sh!t.

Actually a massive majority of the worlds people are totally against what the US has done and is currently doing.
 
  by: slavefortheman     01/23/2008 08:31 PM     
  @allbets  
 
"You will be using scape goats for years to come if you don't realize a new age is here."

"A new dawn has arrived and it's different now."

"Real enemies that aren't going away means war that won't go away."

Empty words that present no substance or facts. But you do give a striking example of how to generate phrases that cause a fervor of regime support.

"These are the two worlds. I grant that one of the two must succumb. Yes, one or the other. But if we were to succumb, the German people would succumb with us. If the other were to succumb, I am convinced that the nations will become free for the first time. We are not fighting individual Englishmen or Frenchmen. We have nothing against them. For years I proclaimed this as the aim of my foreign policy." - Adolf Hitler December 10, 1940

"They will know they battle for fate and freedom and the future of our people forever." - Adolf Hitler December 10, 1940

"In any case the national Government will educate the German people in this spirit of a desire for freedom. The national honor, the honor of our army and the ideal of freedom must once more become sacred to the German people!" - Adolf Hitler March 23, 1933

Be careful Allbets, not to mistake regime fervor for what the facts really are.
 
  by: ukcn001XYZ   01/23/2008 08:35 PM     
  @ukcn001XYZ  
 
"If fascism ever comes to America, it will come wrapped in an American flag." - Huey P. Long

I think that most people dont realize the fact that they are simply self-denying fascists.
 
  by: slavefortheman     01/23/2008 08:46 PM     
  Er...  
 
I meant that some people dont realize not most...
 
  by: slavefortheman     01/23/2008 08:47 PM     
  xyz  
 
How bout I make it real simple. If we want, we will kill ya.

Vietnam, est vietnamese killed 3 1/2 million.

Reason unimportant.

Who's next?
 
  by: allbets     01/23/2008 09:09 PM     
  @ukcn001XYZ  
 
After reading the last comments now do you understand my last post...

I may be wrong though. Some of them may not be self-denying at all...
 
  by: slavefortheman     01/23/2008 09:15 PM     
  ...  
 
Look for Fox News and CNN giving this story huge airplay.
 
  by: jamesmc   01/23/2008 09:25 PM     
  @allbets  
 
Please provide point or argument of some sort?

Congo - 5M dead as Congo peace deal signed.
http://www.cnn.com/...
Where were US troops during this? Does their sphere of responsibility cover the globe or only oil fields?

Is this about securing a trade route or a humanitarian issue. If humanitarian issue, we are in the wrong region that needs it.


How we got into Vietnam:
On August 2, 1964, the USS Maddox, on an intelligence mission along North Vietnam's coast, started a gunfight with torpedo boats in the Gulf of Tonkin[81]. However, the Maddoxx claimed that it was attacked. A second attack was reported two days later on the USS Turner Joy and Maddox in the same area. The circumstances of the attack were murky. Lyndon Johnson commented to Undersecretary of State George Ball that "those sailors out there may have been shooting at flying fish."[83] The second attack led to retaliatory air strikes, prompted Congress to approve the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, and gave the president power to conduct military operations in South East Asia without declaring war.

In 2005, however, a NSA declassified report revealed that there was no attack on 4 August.

What's your point?
 
  by: ukcn001XYZ   01/23/2008 09:31 PM     
  @  
 
What I am saying is sit back and enjoy it or go live elsewhere if you can't stomach it.

I mean if history is any way to gauge what we are and what we do then why ACT like an ignorant American and say...oh my, how could we do this ...or Bush and Cheney are such brutes? You friggin people make no sense, stop acting ignorant.

We kill Indians and take their land, we help kill over 3 1/ 2 million Vietnamese. After WW2 we help devide up the world (Franklin, Joesph and Winston).

I could go on about dozens more killing of other leaders, takeovers, support etc to help define us.

No don't fear the people who know themselves, fear the one's who don't.

<<<To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant.>>>

 
  by: allbets     01/23/2008 09:33 PM     
  @slave  
 
I'm a pretty big believer in what Ron Paul is trying to accomplish. Naturally I agree with what your saying.

To turn a blind eye to government accountability when wrapped inside a flag is one of the most common tools used for some of the worst acts in history.

People who don't understand history are the most susceptible to repeating those horrific acts.
 
  by: ukcn001XYZ   01/23/2008 09:37 PM     
  @allbets  
 
I see.

Peace through occupation, and unity by authority, right?
 
  by: ukcn001XYZ   01/23/2008 09:46 PM     
  @xyz  
 
you say""" how we got into Vietnam"""

""was the Gulf of Tonkin incident.""

Correct this in your mind and on this forum since you express such love of history.

The war had already started years before but this is what made it "right" and exculated it.

Understand? This incident did not start the war. Correct it in you mind.

You guys who keep saying this incident must at best be young ...... who misread something at one time.
 
  by: allbets     01/23/2008 09:47 PM     
  ok  
 
xyz gives no country in profile. Lucky for the country.

We all understand your possible , let's just say, less then prideful connection to it.
 
  by: allbets     01/23/2008 09:50 PM     
  @allbets  
 
What...? I don't understand what your saying?

Is it just me, or is it getting more and more difficult to string together enough broken english grammar to come up with a logical argument, fact, or thought from you?
 
  by: ukcn001XYZ   01/23/2008 10:01 PM     
  ok  
 
That's often the case when you have been proven wrong, to act confused.
 
  by: allbets     01/23/2008 10:06 PM     
  Wait a sec...  
 
That broken english... sounds so familiar... wait a sec...

Do you need my help? Are you the Nigerian son of an exiled king and you need my help to provide you with a bank account number to use in stashing away billions until this whole exile thing blows over?

Now it all makes sense.

I will help you, but telling you to put your billions into the Ron Paul for president campaign.

Your father will be able to come out of exile when Ron puts a stop to pouring arm enemies of enemies across the globe, that later become enemies to the US.

Homework assignment: Saddam and Bin Laden... How did they come into power?
 
  by: ukcn001XYZ   01/23/2008 10:16 PM     
  Monkey See Monkey Do  
 
I would like to take this opportunity to Thank Jesus the saviour and the way to the truth. My mother, my manager and all those who supported me.

I would also like to thank Men and Women in AIRAQ (Iraq) for fighting for our freedom, without them we would be nothing.

Barak Obama is muslim so please ladies and gentleman dont vote for him. Now lets go find the Airanians, because Ahmadinajad said" holocaust didnt happen, but since we are the champions of free speech, lets go find another excuse of WMD, since they want to build a Nuclear bomb to Annihilate Israelis, whom we are their beeaaches.

I know my time is up and there is nothing else to do here, because of this Writers strike, so I will stop here.....

God bless America.
 
  by: isuzu     01/23/2008 11:08 PM     
  @l'anglais  
 
You totally missed the point. I'm not suggesting you ignore it, reality is reality and has to be faced - but living in the past doesn't accomplish anything. Yep, Bush lied. His cabinet lied. His intelligence agencies lied. We know this. It's welllll and truly out in the open now. We don't walk around all day saying the sky is blue, now do we? Reiterating for the umpteenth time that Bush lied is not going to accomplish anything. If you want to wallow in negativity, that's your business, but me, I prefer looking toward the future and trying to right the mess the world i s in. If Bush is impeached, and punished, it won't be because of this article or the thousands to follow. It will be because of the evidence on the table already, or new evidence that comes to light.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   01/23/2008 11:37 PM     
  God Bless America  
 
Land that we love
STAND BESIDE HER AND GUIDE HER
not
STAND BEHIND HER AND FOLLOW HER

The only thing realy unpatriotic is to follow a leader blindly.
 
  by: ichi     01/23/2008 11:45 PM     
  @allbets  
 
Are you trying to make some sort of "might makes right" argument? I've never realized what a sick argument that is when no other principles are involved. It's also contrary to the founding ideals of the U.S. If our founding fathers only wanted power, they would have thrown in with the Torries and used their considerable skill to preserve the power of the crown.

Given the way you've broken down into nonsensical statements, though, I suspect you're really just trolling for a reaction and have run out of wacky things to say.
 
  by: MomentOfClarity     01/23/2008 11:50 PM     
  moc  
 
"Are you trying to make some sort of "might makes right" argument?"

You can take it that way if you want but will try and express it simply by saying...

We will come and kill you and take what we want and you can't do nothing about it...hope that is clearer.
 
  by: allbets     01/24/2008 12:06 AM     
  @allbets  
 
you've done nothing but troll since you've been here. so you can get a taste of your own argument, i really hope an admin exercises their might and deletes your account.
 
  by: ManilaRyce     01/24/2008 12:12 AM     
  @ryce  
 
You are pretty pathetic not being able to listen to anothers opinion.

People wonder why others war against each other and can't talk, you are a prime example of this close minded, accustory personal attacks when disagreed with.

Yes it's going to be uncomftable for you to try and understand others beliefs.

I have an idea why don't you im everyone and petition me off for trolling. Or im an admin right now and get it done.

Like I said you are pathetic for even suggesting such a thing.

I would be more then willing to leave if I couldn't have the freedom to express my own beliefs.
 
  by: allbets     01/24/2008 12:26 AM     
  SOMETHING NEW  
 
I've never lived in an EVIL country before. Hmmm, I don't think I like it. Kinda feels slimey and,,,OH MY GOD-What happened to that poor little girl with the six inch gash in her head!! Oh yeah, I live in an evil country now.
 
  by: IWMCB   01/24/2008 12:46 AM     
  @Manila  
 
See, IWCBM is a troll - never says anything useful, only inciteful, never any support, mostly theoretical or bizarre ramblings...
 
  by: SoshiMaster   01/24/2008 12:57 AM     
  @allbets  
 
"We will come and kill you and take what we want and you can't do nothing about it..."

so the "might makes right" argument is only unfair when applied to yourself. yeah, i'm the pathetic tyrant. this has nothing to do with tolerance, it has to do with consistency. you're a hypocritical fool who accuses others of being "close-minded" when they apply your own standards.

i expect all of this to go over your head as well. have fun arguing with yourself.
 
  by: ManilaRyce     01/24/2008 01:16 AM     
  @allbets  
 
Wow, you're stance is obviously neo-con, but your contribution to that view seems to be counter-productive to any form of coherent argument in that direction.

But that's ok, keep at it. If your point is to make the neo-cons seem nutty, you're doing a swell job.

The rest of us are lucky to have you on that side.
 
  by: ukcn001XYZ   01/24/2008 01:25 AM     
  we are coming for you next  
 
I had just finished viewing hours about the Vietnam War where it said that the bombing of them resulted in more bombs then all the bombings before put together and that VN was about the size of CA.....and.....was reminded that we took the land from the Indians....and....had all sorts of influnce in 3rd world countrys over the years to assert our authority and to get what we wanted.

NOW...after saying that I could have instead said...we will come and kill you and take what we want and you won't be able to do anything about it....oh, wait...I did say that.

My point is that if you can't understand or figure why or what I'm saying then it's on you cause I will not go into lengths to explain it...truth is truth..

Ask yourself if it's the truth...we will come and kill you and take what we want and not much you can do about it.....

To make this something of a point is wierd since everyone thinks it true anyway.

 
  by: allbets     01/24/2008 01:33 AM     
  ok xyz  
 
You no country bumpkin.
 
  by: allbets     01/24/2008 01:37 AM     
  Allbets  
 
I can't help but notice that you correctly summarize that others blame their problems on others. Bravo, however:

"Real enemies that aren't going away means war that won't go away. So when you aren't able to stop this new era you will have to blame others once Bush is gone. It's actually a real simple concept, either get your own way or scape goat someone cause their is some real sht going on and it's going to lkast for years to come."

I don't believe we can correctly put blame on one scape goat (aka "enemy"), but then say other people's scape goats are not real. In other words, "enemy" is just another scape goat to blame for our own problems in not being able to deal with them.

IMO the only true enemy resides within each and every one of us...and that enemy seems to be ignorance. We're all guilty of it.

"When there is no enemy within, the enemies outside cannot hurt you."
- African Proverb
 
  by: QuestioningAnswers   01/24/2008 02:35 AM     
  --  
 
To simulate the economy, but it backfired. Vote Republican, if you like their ways of putting money in their pockets.
 
  by: slayer06   01/24/2008 03:22 AM     
  @  
 
I don't think it backfired.
The goal was to stimulate THEIR economy, not YOURS.
 
  by: silentrage   01/24/2008 03:47 AM     
  Instead of trading insults...  
 
...and calling names, try having an actual discussion.
 
  by: vanillaskye   01/24/2008 05:29 AM     
  wow  
 
almost 5 years to find out, bravo !




 
  by: ProTesTa     01/24/2008 10:44 PM     
  Sometimes...  
 
I play the youtube video where Bush makes fun of the idea of going into a war to nation build. It reminds me of why I voted for him. And then I realize he, like Obama, say what they say to get elected - then run wild making bigger government, more debt, and bad policies.
 
  by: jono_original     01/26/2009 08:57 PM     
 
 
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