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03/30/2008 11:58 AM ID: 69656 Permalink   

U.S. Military Build Up to Attack Iran Begins

 

A high ranking Russian military source claimed on Tuesday that they have observed a massive military build up of U.S. troops on the Iranian border in recent weeks.

Col.-Gen. Leonid Ivashov, says that the US is planning a massive bombing campaign against the Iranian military in the forthcoming weeks, although he stressed that the Pentagon has probably not decided on a date for the bombing as yet.

The general told reporters "The latest military intelligence data point to heightened U.S. military preparations for both an air and ground operation against Iran”.

 
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  69 Comments
  
  Remember what Hersh said ?  
 
Not sure I believe this one … could be an attempt to provoke Iran into doing something. I find it hard to believe that the planners in Washington are so profoundly stupid as to attack Iran. And I don’t think the Iranians are profoundly stupid as to react to this and give the U.S an excuse to attack.
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     03/30/2008 12:01 PM     
  Nothing will happen...  
 
it never does
 
  by: tiggyfiggy   03/30/2008 12:13 PM     
  @tiggyfiggy  
 
Yeah, just like Iraq.

Personally, I don't take Russia too seriously. However, I know that more support and soldiers are being deployed to Iraq now. Sad, but true.
 
  by: theironboard     03/30/2008 12:17 PM     
  @theironboard  
 
There was a long lead up to Iraq, theres not going to be a surprise attack on Iran, if it does happen, it will be after months not weeks.
 
  by: tiggyfiggy   03/30/2008 12:28 PM     
  @tiggy  
 
no lead up? bush has been calling iran a nuclear threat since his "axis of evil" speech.
 
  by: ManilaRyce     03/30/2008 01:20 PM     
  and..  
 
where is he getting all this intel from? just sat images? doesnt even mention how.
 
  by: DRK   03/30/2008 01:32 PM     
  Surely this will be a step too far  
 
The intel that formed the basis for the invasion of Iraq was proved to be faulty at best and lies at worst. Without hard proof of Iran threatening the U.S. how can they expect people to support this?
 
  by: my2cents   03/30/2008 01:50 PM     
  WHAT?  
 
NO NO NO!
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     03/30/2008 02:10 PM     
  Leave Iran alone  
 
They will elect themselves a more moderate government if we refrain from giving the extremists such good anti-western promotional material.

If the US is stupid enough to bomb Iran it shouldn't be shocked when bombs (or worse) start going off at US targets all over the world. You can bet that Iran has it's sleeper cells well equipped and ready to go.
 
  by: ixuzus     03/30/2008 04:57 PM     
  @ ixuzus  
 
Not only will they be shocked they will be morally outraged at the unprovoked and unreasonable attack on USA.
 
  by: stretchman     03/30/2008 05:22 PM     
  @my2cents  
 
That's easy, all it takes is for the US to conveniently get attacked sometime soon, maybe the space needle gets some planes flown into it, who knows.
 
  by: silentrage   03/30/2008 05:23 PM     
  Haaaaa it begins..  
 
Only couple months more and I be reaping my reward.

20$ bet they start shit with Iran before the end of July.
:P
 
  by: Korzen   03/30/2008 05:26 PM     
  Korzen  
 
your reward could be a suicide bomber standing right beside you ... this won't stay in Iran if it goes down ...
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     03/30/2008 05:34 PM     
  I guess  
 
They'll start late in the year, before January, you dig?
 
  by: H. W. Hutchins   03/30/2008 05:38 PM     
  @Hugo  
 
"Col.-Gen. Leonid Ivashov, says that the US is planning a massive bombing campaign against the Iranian military in the forthcoming weeks"
(from article)

funny i seem to remember posting an excript about this a year or to back saying how he US has planned the bombing of more then 450 iranian targets.

"Korzen
your reward could be a suicide bomber standing right beside you ... this won't stay in Iran if it goes down ... "

not to mention the fact that iran actually has a military... not a already beaten down excuse for the military that saddam knew couldn't work...

also not to mention that iran first retalitory target would be the US's good buddy Israel. i beat the US would love that ... hell i bet the US and Israel (what's left of it) would try spin it as genocide to top it all of...

hey come to think of it doesn't that sound like the PERFECT lead-up to world war 3.

because after iran gets dragged into it who comes next in one form or another... the so called "red alliance" russia and china.. iran is one of each of their primary intrests... one word: OIL.
 
  by: HAVOC666     03/30/2008 06:07 PM     
  AND  
 
if it happens before November... patriot act clause says that elections can be suspended indefinately.

ah this next year's going to make some really exciting and disturbing news.
 
  by: HAVOC666     03/30/2008 06:09 PM     
  Please do so  
 
All we hear is talk talk talk
boo! we're coming to get you
Please get a life
Iran is not Iraq
bomb us and we will bomb you back
Iran has
-the Largest Ballistic Missile Force in the Middle East & 2nd among 3rd world countries N.Korea is 1st and our Missiles are independently operated so they can't be disable by cutting their link (Saddam's Missiles were not so U.S. & U.K disabled them by sending special forces in months before the war to take out their links witch disabled them)
Iran also has
-The Largest stockpile of Anti-Ship Missiles in the M.E.
-The Largest Fleet of Submarines in M.E.(Saddam didn't even have a Navy)
-Largest Fleet of Helicopters in M.E.
-Largest Artillery Force in M.E.
-Largest force of Infantry support weapons in the M.E.
-Largest "Total" Troops In The World
-Largest "Active" Troops in M.E. 8th in the world
-Iran has the most self sufficient military in the M.E.(Saddam had to fight 3 wars in 23 years so he didn't even have time to replace his equipment)
-Our Air Forces record speaks for its self our F-14 had 160 kills vs ~8 losses (Saddam had no Air Force)
-We have spy satellites and our UAV's monitor U.S. carriers all the time(youtube it)
-Iran is about the size of U.K., France, Spain, and Germany combined(Iraq was smaller than Spain)
-Last election over 60% of Iranians voted and in 2000 over 80% voted(Saddam was a minority ruling a majority)
-Iran 2008 "Budget" is $300 Bil 1st in the M.E. & among the top 15 in the world

and for you people that say U.S. has Nukes.
So what!
-Iran has the largest Stockpile of Chemical and Biological weapons in the M.E. and 4th or 5th largest in the world and after the fall of the USSR a lot of nukes went missing so you have no idea if we purchased any or not so Nuke us and we will use our WMD's on your solders here in the M.E. &/or Israel


We will take out all your bases & ships in the 1st day using our missiles just give us an excuse
 
  by: vivak   03/30/2008 06:59 PM     
  Hey  
 
Vivak i admire your Optimism,but the Us will flatten your military in about 2 weeks,first too go will be your airforce
then your missle sites, soon has they have the Air superiority thats it my friend game over,i know they wont run away but be realistic Iran wont stand a chance.
 
  by: Jammy-Doger   03/30/2008 07:57 PM     
  @jammy  
 
"Air superiority thats it my friend game over"

What like in Vietnam ?
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     03/30/2008 08:05 PM     
  lol  
 
This crap is just mind numbing... Talk about 'sheep'... You guys just eat this crap up.
 
  by: steme   03/30/2008 08:25 PM     
  The way to know, is fox news...  
 
BOMB!BOMB!BOMB!BOMB!BOMB!BOMB!BOMB!BOMB!BOMB!BOMB!BOMB!BOMB!BOMB!BOMB!
ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO US! ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO US! ALL YOUR BASES BELONG TO US! ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO US! ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO US!
 
  by: ukcn001XYZ   03/30/2008 08:32 PM     
  @vivak  
 
"We will take out all your bases & ships in the 1st day using our missiles just give us an excuse"

How in the hell would that happen when the U.S. bombs all of your electricity plants, fuel plants, fuel storage, fuel refineries, long and medium range radar installations, and dismantle command and control centers in the first 4-8 hours of night operations? The U.S. just retired their oldest stealth bombers, so you can expect the latest and greatest bombers with heavier payloads sheet bombing with precession anything that has military importance. I expect Iran's military infrastructure would be mostly destroyed in less than 4 days of bombing, mass bridges would be destroyed, your economy would completely collapse from only exporting less than 20% of normal oil output and not having operational refineries in which Iran would have to import refined oil to use as fuel. Not going to happen.

Subs aren't a threat to the U.S. navy because the U.S. now have high freq. long range sonar (kills most sea life it is so loud in the water), with enough anti sub boats to kill the moral of any countries navy. I would also like to see Iran's air force vs. the U.S. air fleet that includes the F-22 Raptor and it's latest air to air missiles, they wouldn't even get close enough to fire a missile at a ship. The U.S. air carriers will be far from range of anti-ship missiles launched from the ground in Iran. So if you are counting on Iran's air force to get close enough to launch an anti ship missile (which could happen), the missile would half to slip through the U.S. latest anti-missile defense which includes missiles and guns that spray a wall of lead that almost nothing can pass through.

Now the hard part. Landing and finishing up the job with military infantry, tanks, mortars, ground to ground missiles, etc, etc, etc. History has proved that this is the hard part. Even though the country was bombed into the stone age, destroyed all military usefulness, you still have to deal with the high causality of urban combat. I mean, in this day and age, no country can just carpet bomb insurgents that are cowardly hiding in the civilian population.

Also this is not the U.S. vs Iran. Many, many, nations are against Iran's nuclear programs. The only countries that are against Iran are Russia and China. This is because Iran is making the U.S. mad and China and Russia like it. You can expect France, U.k., Germany, Canada, Australia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and even Iraqi insurgents, etc, etc, etc, to join this historic slaughter brought upon Iran's ignorant and defiant nation. This includes countries that claim they are against this, but they are actually contributing to this war. Time for you to open your eyes and stop believing what Iran is telling you. Iran will go down, they will fight good though, they might get a few ships and a few stealth planes with good or lucky shots. Their talk of invincibility if attacked is simply ignorance and is the same scare tactic that didn't work when Saddam said it.
 
  by: slayer06   03/30/2008 08:38 PM     
  One more thing  
 
The U.S. and allies, are building a missile defense system around Iran. Hate to say it, Iran is screwed!
 
  by: slayer06   03/30/2008 08:56 PM     
  These Profiteers Would  
 
Attack Iran before the next elections just to get us into a further extended war. The opertunity to ruin another country and extract gigantic profit by contractors of all types is beyound this administrations power to resist. The window of opertunity is getting smaller and these ghouls can not resist the profit no matter the cost to the citizens of any country including the United States.This administration has loyalty not to its country but to a large group of war profiteering corporations.
 
  by: ichi     03/30/2008 09:08 PM     
  @Revelation  
 
"Iran will not be the only one "screwed" if these attacks happen. As I see it, an attack on Iran may very well trigger a third world war. Russia and China have way too much invested in Iran not to care"

Very good point! But if their infrastructure is destroyed, look at the profits of rebuilding. This also has to be on China's and Russia's minds. Russia switched their stance a few mouths ago warning Iran to shut down their nuclear program. I believe this war could happen, just need to give Russia and China rights or a big chunk of the rebuilding program and no change of oil export rights.. But if Russia and China veto's everything and keep their stance, the U.S. wouldn't risk WWIII. The U.S. could just sit back and supply and sell war materials to other countries and let them do the job. This would look better and I doubt that Russia or China would appreciate a boycott or major tax penalties from the E.U. I personally dislike the European Union's ways but they do have a lot of influencing power.
 
  by: slayer06   03/30/2008 09:26 PM     
  nice!  
 
I have been waiting for this day, purely for the personal reasons -> Time to go buy stocks of the major gun manufacturers.
 
  by: lex_yakuza   03/30/2008 10:05 PM     
  am I missing something here?  
 
you are all talking about who has a bigger army and weapons and who will side up with who. No one mentioned innocent people? children? the other countries in the middle east? the longer effect this will have?
In less than a decade the west managed to wage wars against 2 mostly muslim nations. I understand the reasons behind the war (at least why they waged them, not that i agree) but the effect this can have is drastic. Imagine crusades but with the religions mixed together in the same geographical locations and more advanced weapons not weapons that kill one victim or a handful of victims at a time.
Seriously, does anybody have information about immigration rules to other planets or any forsaken islands? I don't like wars and seriously don't want to be here!
 
  by: DarkAngelJG     03/30/2008 10:27 PM     
  Hugo  
 
different scenario different terrain,
and the weapons they have are now more deadly than what they had in the 60s and early 70s,it will be a whitewash m8
and you now it,lets hope it comes too nothing enough bloodshed and killing going on now without anymore too think about.
 
  by: Jammy-Doger   03/31/2008 12:17 AM     
  I dont care!  
 
Mines Bigger than Yours!
Mines Faster than yours
My bombs are more explodey than yours....
Blah blah blah.

My Country is big and empty and kinda enjoyable at the moment, so please leave Australia out of it. Thats all i ask.

I think All wars should be sorted out via sporting contests. Air Hockey or something.
 
  by: TheCoggsMachine   03/31/2008 02:23 AM     
  Facism  
 
Common elements of fascist states include:

Strong nationalist sentiment
Xenophobia
Militarism and glorification of the army
Secret police that enforce secret laws
Suppression of civil liberties
Suppression of independent media
Economic policies that tie business to government


(Thanks to Civ 4 for that)
 
  by: Daniel2508     03/31/2008 02:34 AM     
  I truly hope  
 
that there is an organization out there somewhere that is preparing a war crimes
trial to be held after Bush, Cheney et al have passed from the White House.
 
  by: Mister crank     03/31/2008 02:54 AM     
  @slayer  
 
They are not insurgents hiding anywhere, they are soldiers fighting for their country against an enemy invasion. Just like you guys did in your war of independence.
And "Germany" fighting in Iran? Yeah right, haha. 90% of all Germans are against Bush and look down on the USA. Forget about that

Either you check your backgrounds or I call either trolling or brainwash on you ;-)
 
  by: Shadondriel   03/31/2008 03:22 AM     
  DarkAngelJG  
 
Only terrorists and insurgents are killed in wars, or so I have read in papers. In fact the numbers of civilians killed in Iraq are so small it didn't warrant the US keeping statistics on them
 
  by: stretchman     03/31/2008 03:44 AM     
  @DarkAngel  
 
You could always come to New Zealand! Winter's on its way though...
 
  by: p_g_chris   03/31/2008 05:57 AM     
  @slayer vivak  
 
You guys both STFU because you're both right! There's no need to argue!
The US will bomb every infrustructure in Iran, Iran will destroy every invader and send its sleeper cells to wreak havoc everywhere!!

Thousands die, Millions displaced.
Happy?
 
  by: silentrage   03/31/2008 06:54 AM     
  If it doesnt occur now its never gonna happen.  
 
Admiral William Fallon, the one who said iran wont be attacked under his watch, has been removed as the US chief of central command. The Russian military intelligence are claiming that there is a build up of us troops on the Iraq-Iran borders and that the US are planning a ground and air operation on Iran. Its also being claimed that the Saudi's are preparing for a nuclear fallout. also more US nuclear submarines and 1 more aircraft carrier attack group has been added to their fleet in the Persian Gulf. alsoooooo the recent fighting in iraq is aimed at getting rid of the shia militia who would of disrupted american supplies if they did attack iran in the past. all of this occured in the last 2 weeks except for the sacking of Admiral William Fallon.
 
  by: TheEye   03/31/2008 07:24 AM     
  @ vivak, lol  
 
What a crock. Just a few examples:
-The 'iranian designed' satellite, sinah-1 failed upon launch, nothing has been built or launched since
-Iran's missile forces are based on the SCUD system, with more fuel for longer range and less accuracy.
-Iran has NO space launch capability
-Iran has NO satellite assets
-Iran has NO iranian-built aircraft
(that new Saleh or whatever is just an F5 with another verticle stabilizer.. lol)
-Iran has no ability to maintain its US fighter aircraft due to parts embargoes


Iran's course of action if invaded, provided we didn't get all the scuds, would likely be to try and hit US or Israeli installations. If you hit Israeli soil, those psychopaths will undoubtedly nuke you. If you hit us, well, you won't hit us.
You're swallowing your own countries propaganda and overblown military capabilities. Your 'largest army' is the Basiji? That includes a few million unarmed farmers who act as 'reservists'. Please. Half the regular army would surrender anyway, just like Iraq's. As the other guy said, your regular military would be a pushover, its the insurgency that would get us. Because ME people have an affinity for fighting amongst innocents and firing mortars from villages/mosques/hospitals, we have a hard time countering them as we would counter an army made of real men, who will fight man to man and tank to tank, and admit defeat when they're defeated, rather than taking up root in a city full of women and children and sniping us from minarets.
sorry for rant.
 
  by: japh   03/31/2008 09:00 AM     
  @stretchman  
 
"Only terrorists and insurgents are killed in wars, or so I have read in papers. In fact the numbers of civilians killed in Iraq are so small it didn't warrant the US keeping statistics on them"
Doh..!! is this sarcasm? or are u being plain stupid?
 
  by: bastrel   03/31/2008 09:17 AM     
  @japh  
 
Lol, the US army sure do fight like real men!

Laser guided missile strikes from 30-300 miles away? Lol?
Ship based cruise missiles? Lo??
AC-130s?? lawlzz??
Raptors and Nighthawks??? lmao??
M16s with a much longer range and accuracy than AKs??? rofl??
Tanks with reactive armor and infrared!??! roflmao??
U2 and satellite surveilance??? roflol?
Apaches and commanches?!?!?! lawlmao?!?
phosphorus and microwave weapons??? haw haw?!?

It's just fcking hilarious that you first completely puts down Vivak about Iran's military superiority then you say how the US fights like real men, do you have "Hypocritool" tattooed to your forehead and american flags tattooted to both arms?? LOL?!?!?!

Yeah the insurgence should be honorable and fight like real corn-bred redblooded
'Merikins, anything less would not be MANLY.

p.s. and don't think for a minute I'm supporting Vivak, i think you're all certifiably delusional, no one will win this war, <deleted by admin> and you drag the rest of us down.
 
  by: silentrage   03/31/2008 09:26 AM     
  @silentrage  
 
"you're all <deleted> and you drag the rest of us down"
its only the US who is dragging everyone down... dont include Iran in that statement.
 
  by: bastrel   03/31/2008 09:36 AM     
  Wow  
 
Sounds like serious stuff. I'd be inclined to say that increased troop numbers on the Iranian border would be there to stem the weapons smuggling rather than anything else. That said, I might just be being hopeful.

With any luck Britain has had enough of its citizens being killed and therefore won't jump into another war if it happens. In any case, it could turn out that we need conscription to make up the numbers, and that could be an issue.

Something I didn't know; in Gulf war 1 the UK government had already drawn up the conscription papers and was ready to shove them through people's doors. They thought it would be much more serious than it was. The problem with conscription of course is that anyone with half a brain (or related to a politician or royal) will get out of it.
 
  by: Maxx20     03/31/2008 10:40 AM     
  Corrections to Mr. Japh  
 
1.)The Iranian Sina-1 satellite was launched October 28, 2005 aboard a Russian rocket. It certainly did not "fail upon launch." It is a 160kg reconnaissance satellite that may or may not have any military value.
2.) Iran is constructing 5 additional satellites (Omid, Mesbeh, Sina-2, etc.) which are to be launched by an Iranian rockets. The first, Omid, is scheduled to be launched in June 2008 via Iranian rocket.
-Iran's Shahab-1 and 2 are based on the SCUD missile. The Shahab-3 and and Ghadr missiles are lightyears ahead of the SCUD. The basic Shahab-3 travels much much faster and much higher than the SCUD. It also has a much larger and detaching warhead, giving it a much smaller radar cross section and more accuracy. The Shabab-3B has terminal guidance giving it a CEP of only 30-50m. New generation Shahab-3s incorporate solid fuel engines.
- Iran has so far constucted three different fighter aircraft types. Two of these, the Azarakhsh and Sa'eqeh, are based on the F-5E, though incorporate new weapons, radars, avionic, and aerodynamics. The third, Shafaq, is a completely Iranian design in proto-type stage.
-Iran has maintain its stock of U.S. fighter aircraft thorugh indigenous manufacture of spare parts. Iran is able to produce the overwhelming majority of the parts of the F-14A and has approximately 44 F-14As ( with further aircraft in reserve)in active service (all recently undergoing complete overhauled). A indigenous version of the F-14's AIM-54 Phoenix missile is also built in Iran for many years. Iran's F-4D/Es and F-5Es are also all in active service. How would it be that Iran is able to build a fighter based on F-5E, but not be able to maintain its fleet of F-5Es?

"Iran's course of action if invaded."--Iran will not be invaded. That is impossible at this stage. Only an air war is being contemplate.

"If you hit us, well, you won't hit us."

Would you like to put money where your mouth is?

"Your 'largest army' is the Basiji? That includes a few million unarmed farmers who act as 'reservists'."---

Please do some research on the Basiji and their actions during the Iran-Iraq War.

"Please. Half the regular army would surrender anyway, just like Iraq's. As the other guy said, your regular military would be a pushover"

Underestimate the Iranian military at your own risk. The Iranians are not Arabs like the Iraqis, Libyans, etc. The Iranians are fiercy nationalistic, that's a fact. They will not be bribed or surrender in mass like Saddam's military. Please do some research on the Iranian military.

"Because ME people have an affinity for fighting amongst innocents..."

Please do not generalise about ME people. There is a big difference between Iranians and Arabs. Also, this hiding among the innocents, etc, it is called guerilla warfare. This is the type of warfare a resistence force employs against an occupying force...they are not hiding among the innocents, they are innocents who are resisting.

Please don't make a fool of yourself. Do some research and get informed before you post. You make yourself look quite ignorant.

 
  by: Mr.O   03/31/2008 11:15 AM     
  @Mr.O  
 
"The Iranians are not Arabs like the Iraqis, Libyans, etc."
"There is a big difference between Iranians and Arabs."
same goes for u m8, dont consider all arabs to be like Iraqis and do like they did...
im not saying that arab militaries are powerful, no they are weak these dayz..thnx to our lame governments, but soldiers themselves are tough, its just they lack technology and resources
 
  by: bastrel   03/31/2008 11:37 AM     
  Who died  
 
and made Col.-Gen. Leonid Ivashov master of intelligence? Usually news of US troop buildups reverberates throughout DoD in other ways -budget changes, test schedule modifications, stuff like that- and the current situation just is not supportive of Col.-Gen. Leonid Ivashov's claims.

Col.-Gen. Leonid Ivashov's fears may be in the process of spiking the fears of those who believe Bush will invade Iran. Given the amount of displeasure throughout the country with the Iraq operations, and the fact that this is an election year, I doubt that Bush will be ABLE to do anything like this. Among other things, it requires serious funding, an issue that has yet to be discussed, one that would likely be "Dead on Arrival" for a large variety of reasons..

This is not to say that Bush would not LIKE to deal with Iran militarily, only that is seems real unlikely to me.

I think it is a lot MORE likely that Israel will do so. No invasion, just utter destruction.

The Russians likely do not want a war on their doorstep -too easy to spill over into THEIR house. They still remember the last war (The Great Patriotic War) with everything but fondness. I cannot imagine them enjoying the prospect of nuclear fallout nearby.
 
  by: LeePIII   03/31/2008 04:49 PM     
  @silentrage  
 
You may well have a point.

At the outbreak of WW II, the NAZIs and the Japanese bot thought they were supermen. Yamamoto's success at the surpise attact at Pealr Harbor, coupled with the anti-war, isolationist attitudes of the country following WW I, led many Japanese to think they were invincible "real men". They were ultimately disabused of this notion.

Hitler openly proclaimed that the German forces (Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, Naval forces commanded by Adm. Doenitz) were composed by Aryan supermen, and were undoubtedly invincible. The Soviets (whom Hitler despised, along with almost everyone else) and the other Allied forces disabused the NAZI leadership of that misconception.

I submit that there are no supermen. And, when the technology is used up, there are only men with small arms left to make battle. That's when things get really ugly.

Think about the consequences of possible action against IRAN, like a chess game. Play it out. See where it leads. See who you pi*s off, who becomes set against you.

That goes not only for the US, but for Iran, China, and other nations who think they are at Wendy's and "want it their way".
 
  by: LeePIII   03/31/2008 05:01 PM     
  @ Bastrel  
 
I kind of figured that people here would be fairly well read up on the Iraq war, at least enough to recognise when someone is taking the piss. Oh well. I shall in future write <sarcasm> just so you can get the joke too, ok?
 
  by: stretchman     03/31/2008 05:17 PM     
  @stretchman  
 
loll, well tbh after interacting with some people here and seeing what they write on their comments its been hard ever since to know if they were for Real or taking the piss...
but np that was my bad...
 
  by: bastrel   03/31/2008 09:05 PM     
  Bush Has Positive Proof  
 
The dreaded Iranian camel corp has been staging on its borders. Nuclear material in the form of camel dung has been absolutely identified. We must defend ourselves with a pre-emptory massive strike against the Al Qaeda in Iran that attacked us on 911.
 
  by: ichi     03/31/2008 09:26 PM     
  Some comments ...  
 
@slayer06
"Subs aren't a threat to the U.S. navy because the U.S. now have high freq. long range sonar (kills most sea life it is so loud in the water)"

You say that like its a good thing ... O_o;;

@DarkAngelJG
"Seriously, does anybody have information about immigration rules to other planets or any forsaken islands?"

My bets are on the South Pacific between Ozland and S. America. If nuclear war breaks out, I am getting my dingy ... your welcome to join.
 
  by: Daev     03/31/2008 10:20 PM     
  I would be shocked if the US didnt Invade Iran  
 
I mean really I would be just dumbfounded... Everyone knows its going to happen. Those that dont think so are living in a state of self-denial.

Those that think we can win are also living in a state of self-denial... Look at Iraq and Afghanistan. They are much smaller and we cant even take care of those. What makes us think Iran is going to be any different? Because the people that see it as a winnable war are are A) Crazy or B) Plain Stupid!

Seizing the land is one thing. Holding onto it and maintaining control is another. You cant define yourself as a winner unless you have total control. That is why we will never win in Iraq or Afghanistan and we will also never win in Iran. Simply because we will never be able to control the country to even bring it to a point where we can declare them stable... Therefore it is already a lost battle.

You will never be able to subdue a populate where 3/4 or more think it is a good thing to attack the occupying forces.
 
  by: slavefortheman     03/31/2008 11:26 PM     
  @ Jammy-Doger, Buffy (slayer06) & rest of u f00ls  
 
Its so funny how you Americans think you only attack weak country's and you think you accomplished so much
If a country actually fights, you have no chance like Vietnam

Listen to my words very carefully
-Saddam was a minority ruling a majority
-Saddam had no navy
-Saddam had no Air Force he had some fighters but his Air Force ran in every war
-Saddam was so weak that U.S. was able to fly over Iraq 6 months prior to the war(Intel, intercept calls, ....)
-Saddam had to fight 3 wars in 23 years so he didn't even have time to replace his equipment
-Saddam's Missiles were no Independently operated they had to be hooked up to a link to get information on a target form a command and control center so the U.S. & U.K. sent special forces on the ground to take out these links months before the war even started witch disabled his Missiles & all Saddam had were his missiles and when they were no working he ran. Iran's Missiles are Independently operated they have no link each missile is assigned with a target and everything they need so If Ahmadinejad was to run away to Russia that still would not effect our missiles
-Iraq is a small country and its all desert and you really cant hid anything in a flat desert
(Iran is the 18th largest country in the world most of Iran's population, equipment, etc are between mountains & in rough terrain)
-Saddams Top Generals were on U.S. payroll U.S. knew where everything was how Saddam operated the works
-Saddam didn't spend his money on his country he kept Iraq's money for himself (Iran's 2008 Budget is $300 Billion go compare it with other country's like S.Korea, Australia, Russia, etc)
-
Iraq was a small flat country
and
Out of about 25 Million Iraqi's less than 7 Million were pro Saddam and more than half of them were women and children that leaves 3 million and more than half of them were not in a right condition mentally or physically due to years of war or they were to old to fight or did not want to fight witch gives you less then 1 Million Men capable of fighting
vs
the rest of the country (20 Mill) that hated Saddam with all their guts so bringing down a county like that witch also had no Air Force no Navy and no missile is not that special only Idi*ts like you think it is

Iran's population is 70 Million
Iran Total Troops is 12 Million

U.S. bombing our power plants wont effect our Missile, Subs, Helicopters, ....

I truly hope U.S. attacks Iran you people need to be taught a lesson

Maybe after all your bases are flattened and your solders dead and your paying $10 pg at the pump then you will learn that you can't go around attacking people

No one doubt that if any country tries to invade the U.S. they would be crushed but things are very different when your on the other side of the world and you have to fight an army of 12 million solders with less then 0.5 Mill
&
how many sites do you truly think U.S. can hit before our missiles start flying? 10! 20!
we monitor your every move in the M.E. we have spy satellites our UAV's fly over your carriers anytime they want and the last time U.S. tried to send a UAV into Iran it got shot down
Your intel on Iran sucks so bad that when we had our war games your military annalists couldn't believe what they were seeing
And even once you tried to uncover a secret Nuke site in Iran you gave the IAEA exact location they went their all they found was an old mine

just imagine 10,000 Missiles coming down on your ship's and bases in the M.E. on the first day
do you truly think their would be anything else for us to hit on the 2nd day?
Do you truly think your fighters will have a runway to takeoff from or land on?
Iran's Top commanders have promised you 11,000 Missiles in the first hours
so I'm just rounding it down to 10,000 in the first day

you people don't know what war is so again please just give us an excuse
 
  by: vivak   04/01/2008 03:51 AM     
  Ok  
 
The United States has never started a war the American people dident agree with... Even if it required a false flag operation like Vietnam... The American people HAVE TO AGREE... All you idiots debating who would win are morons. If the US goes to war with Iran... We will go with many many allies.. So therefore it isent going to happen...
 
  by: steme   04/01/2008 04:28 AM     
  @vivak  
 
The posters on this site will not be the ones sending the soldiers and bombs and the missiles. It would be our government. Please differentiate between the two.
 
  by: John E Angel     04/01/2008 04:35 AM     
  Bush announces Iraq exit strategy:  
 
"We'll go through Iran"

http://www.theonion.com/...
 
  by: Ricci   04/01/2008 06:58 AM     
  Long Term....  
 
Iran would never be able to fight a long term war against the greatest country in the world. Please if America went to war as a unified nation all for the war as it WW2 u would stand to chance.

Your F14's suck! y do u think we dont them anymore.
How many carriers do u have....0
I would like to see Iran's heavy bomber
Iran will give up just like every other M.E nation thats a wanna be world power.


To the German comment that said they look down on Americans....it should be the other way around i mean we have had to beat ur asses in two wars. By now i think we can look down on ur defeated asses.
 
  by: U.S Army 1991   05/02/2008 06:02 AM     
  @US army  
 
Please do.
Oh god, please.
I can't stand Iran, with all its power-hungery rhetoric spewing leader mouthing off every chance he gets and making a complete asshat out of himself.
He's nothing like Bush, Bush is a great leader, smart, competent and have nothing but the well-being of his people in mind.
Props to G-dawg for standing up to the mighty Iranian bully.

Please start a war with Iran, and make sure you completely drain your economy by spending trillions on it. Don't settle for anything less.

Make sure that funds come from the taxes, you know money that would've been used on useless stuff like education, social wellfare, healthcare, that kinda stuff. Who needs that, right? Definitely not Americans, no you're too smart and too healthy to need that stuff, that shit is for pussy canadians and french.

And make sure to send the best of your young people, the smart, educated, and brave ones, send those, and make sure they get into guerilla warfare with the insurgents that will fill the M.E. after you drop 2 billion bombs and destroy all infrastructure and life support.
If they start dying because they're hated by the people and ambushed left and right, just send more.

If you run out, draft more, it's so simple I can't believe you're not doing it right now! Draft everybody, middle-aged, old people, criminals, soccer moms, everybody. But don't get any of the politicians or rich people, it's not their fault you're in this war, not at all, and lets face it, they're too fat to do you any good anyways. Plus it would just be wrong because they're hurt by the war more than anybody.

Please do this, I'll love you for it, the world will love you for it, do it for 10 years, maybe 20, keep it up for as long as you still have people alive in your country! Don't stop until there's peace in the middle-east! or until the oil runs out, either way works.

God I love America, pioneers, peace-makers, shining example of humanity's best, where would the world be without you?
(hopefully we'll find out soon)

 
  by: silentrage   05/02/2008 06:40 AM     
  WTF?  
 
Wow. Have I been away *that* long? Where have all these pro-American people come from???
For the longest, I’ve felt like the only person coming to America’s and her troops’ aid in these debates. I’m glad to see some new names with articulate and pro-American stances. Hats off to all of you.

@Maxx20
“I'd be inclined to say that increased troop numbers on the Iranian border would be there to stem the weapons smuggling rather than anything else.”

And I’ve have to agree with you 100%.
Iranian aid to militias and terrorist organizations within Iraq (and other nations) is no secret. The best strategy to prevent these groups from obtaining weapons to put a stranglehold on their source of the weapons. In this case, it would be policing the Iranian border.
Has anyone not thought about where they’re getting their weapons and munitions? Do you think these terrorists and militias have munitions and weapons plants? No. They get them from countries that do. Iran is the primary source of these weapons.

@Mr.O
I’m not sure if you’re trying to say that Iran’s weapons systems are advanced, or if you were merely pointing out the specs of the weapons. In either case, I’d like to add more details in regards to your post.

Sina-1 – Its cameras can’t discern anything less than 50-yards across. A small convoy of armed vehicles would be invisible to it. American and Israeli satellites can read the numbers off a license plate. Kind of like comparing PowerMac graphics with Apple II graphics.

“The Shahab-3 and and Ghadr missiles are lightyears ahead of the SCUD.”
While both have a broader range, I would call it an exaggeration to say that they’re “lightyears” ahead of a SCUD. In fact, from a source:
“Ghadr missiles could be compared to the advanced Scud E missiles.”
http://www.iranwatch.org/...


Both are mid-ranged missiles that could reach Israel. A range further than that would require one heckuva’ wind blowing at its back. The Shahab-3 takes *hours* to launch. The Ghadr takes 30 minutes. US missiles within range of Iran take seconds. For reference, read the link above.

“…the Azarakhsh and Sa'eqeh, are based on the F-5E…”
Yes. They’re genetically the same aircraft. The US now uses F5s as flight trainers. They’ve been deemed too inept for combat.

“The third, Shafaq, is a completely Iranian design in proto-type stage.”
Proto-type means there are less than a handful in existence and the kinks haven’t been worked out enough to justify full production.

“Iran is able to produce the overwhelming majority of the parts of the F-14A and has approximately 44 F-14As”
The Tomcats where excellent fighters in their time. The US began phasing out these aircraft over decade ago in favor of the lighter, nimbler, faster, and more versatile F-18 Hornet.

“Iran's F-4D/Es and F-5Es are also all in active service”
The F4 Phantom was used by the US in the Vietnam War. They were replaced by the Tomcat.

“How would it be that Iran is able to build a fighter based on F-5E, but not be able to maintain its fleet of F-5Es?”
Considering the jets they would be facing off with, the answer to that question is moot. The Tomcats and F5 clones are severely overmatched by US and Israeli air superiority fighters.
 
  by: CArnold     05/02/2008 08:20 AM     
  Please War!!  
 
Iran is the weak kid on the playground with a big mouth. We come and beat u on your own turf...the sandbox of the armpit of the world. Iran does not have the balls to attack America in military force only by cowardly allah(hope i spelled it wrong) suicide attacks.
Not to harp on air superiority but the F-22 is generations ahead o the F14. Also we have real pilots not just turban headed desert rats. Your calvary consist of the battle hardened Camel. What a threat to the M1A2 Abrams Tank.

War will be great! too bad it will end to soon with Iran looking up at the Great American Flag with disbelief.
 
  by: U.S Army 1991   05/02/2008 10:38 PM     
  @All Iran War Supporters  
 
You do realize that by going to war we will be forced to reinstate a draft. We cannot possibly occupy 3 countries simultaneously and possibly 4 (since Syria is Allied with Iran), which in affect will draw Israel into a war since they are anti-Iran also which in affect may drag in other Arab or Muslim nations... So in other words a possible world war or at least a massive middle east war.

So yes, if you want your children to possibly die somewhere in the Middle East or Persia! GO WAR!!!
 
  by: slavefortheman     05/02/2008 10:51 PM     
  More war is not pro-american  
 
Just how did Operation Ajax of 1953 end up?
I can't believe people buy into all this warmongering crap, how can it go under the radar of so many people that we are hearing the very same lies we heard about Iraq?

PNAC imperialism is immoral and will bankrupt USA and kill thousands of both sides all for nothing.
 
  by: Kaleid   05/02/2008 11:14 PM     
  How creepy  
 
those who tout the US superiority and how we are going to beat their (Iran) a$$. Sounds like a pissing contest at a bar before fists fly. One day the US will no longer be able to claim to be a superpower. On that day we will see how other nations will judge our past.
 
  by: John E Angel     05/02/2008 11:19 PM     
  @US army 1991  
 
"Iran would never be able to fight a long term war against the greatest country in the world. Please if America went to war as a unified nation all for the war as it WW2 u would stand to chance."

greatest country in the world... lol... you couldn't pay me to live in the US... its a cesspool... the government is easily the most corrupt the world over... and much like canada the common person is very dumbed downed and extremely complacent; esspecially politically.

as for WW2... the US barely bought it, yet takes all the credit... to hell with the US, russia is the one to thank for WW2... hell even canada jumped into the fire way before the US... the US was dragged in militarily because they were goading japan economically.

"Iran will give up just like every other M.E nation thats a wanna be world power."

funny considering your "greatest nation on earth" is LOSING the war against not only iraq, but afghanistan too.... neither have given up, why would you assume iran of all would?

"To the German comment that said they look down on Americans....it should be the other way around i mean we have had to beat ur asses in two wars. By now i think we can look down on ur defeated asses."

lol... again no... russia beat there asses... how? russia overwhelmed hitler panzer division... you being an american being taught AMERICAN history you probably not know this... not history but AMERICAN history... America has written THEIR past, and the past that americans will come to know as history, but history is objective... american history is not.

even canada beat germany in WW2 in battles the US utterly failed in.

"Please War!!
Iran is the weak kid on the playground with a big mouth. We come and beat u on your own turf...the sandbox of the armpit of the world. Iran does not have the balls to attack America in military force only by cowardly allah(hope i spelled it wrong) suicide attacks.
Not to harp on air superiority but the F-22 is generations ahead o the F14."

and its STILL in testing... why... BECAUSE its a super-high tech junker ATM... not tyhat it always will be... but there are MAJOR problems with it... like the navigation seizing to work after you fly over certian parrells... cabins that cannot be open normally... etc.

i would LOVE to see how the raptor ACTUALLY does against other jet fighter... i garentee you it willl not EVER achieve the perfect kill ratio it boasts now...

secondly the high-tech junker can be thawted VERY EASILY... low-fequency radar. ANY that has low-frequuency radar (iran does) will automatically render the raptor stealth capabilities useless.

and no offense but if youi want to use analogies the US is the schoolyard bully... which it fine and good (not really) until you find someone that has the ability as strong (in wone way or another) and mnotivated...

and dont even try to tell me no-one can rival the US... look at iraq, look at vietnam... high-tech can lose a battle very easily.

and by the way how in the hell is suicide bomibing cowardly compared the the air raid the US has... if you wanna call them cowards for killing themselves to kill the enemy... just IMAGINE how cowardly by default that make the US military how does ALMOST all of their kill from as FAR AWAY as possible... now if you wanna talk about "cowardly" war tactics the insurgency doesn't AND CANNOT hold a canadle to the US.

in point, whats more cowardly if i kill person up close... or if i kill a person from a mile away, where they CANNOT defend themsleves from, and where they are in no danger.

and btw, mr "coward" the US in the INVADER you don't rightly have the luxury to call the defending force cowards... that would be like saying if the US was invaded anyone that tries to stop the invaders by shotting them or blowing them up is a coward...

no offense... but is seems like most american don't know what the word "coward" even means... not surprising since many don't even know what "terrorism" actually means, rather if the government of media say so, it must be so.


"Also we have real pilots not just turban headed desert rats. Your calvary consist of the battle hardened Camel. What a threat to the M1A2 Abrams Tank."

what good were sticky bombs (grenade in a sock coated with tar) and panzers?... low tech solution to a high tech problem... you seem to think the US is invincible... THEIR NOT.

"War will be great! too bad it will end to soon with Iran looking up at the Great American Flag with disbelief."

i would be very surprise... you think iraq hates the US... just wait for iran... see iran isn't like iraq... iran can actually fight the US on a military level, not just on the militia level.

the best the US could EASILY do would be attacking from afar. and again if think a person that will kill himself to kill his enemies is a coward, what does that say about the US military; how again perfers to kill from as far away as possible.


just incase you haven't md
 
  by: HAVOC666     05/03/2008 12:10 AM     
  continued  
 
just incase you haven't mde it passed grade 3 english yet

coward- a person who lacks courage in facing danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc.; a timid or easily intimidated person.

this in no way can ever be a word to describe a person that will kill himself to kill his enemies.


no offense but you sound like a kid, your statements are arrogant and ignorant AT BEST... personally i think you probably a racist given how to talk about them as "turbin headed desert rats"... but i guess in many parts of the world in these days that better than being called an american... if you travel outside the US you'll undertand that comment; its the reason why some american take vacations as canadaians... america has earned itself a bad reputation in much (now most) of the world.
 
  by: HAVOC666     05/03/2008 12:15 AM     
  America!!  
 
Just in case u need a lesson on ur history the war was only won through direct relief provided by the U.S military during WW2. The British were pushed back to their mainland, France was overrun and the Germans were right outside of Moscow. The war was coming apart for the allies.
Credit going to the Russians bull, they only regained the assault after a third front was opened on the west.
Nice try but America turned the tide of the war by not only their involvement but by their sheer economic producing power.

not surprising since many don't even know what "terrorism" actually means, rather if the government of media say so, it must be so.

You damn bastard u freaking fool
America has seen one of the most devastating Terrorist attacks this modern world has ever seen. I believe we know who and what terrorism is. Blowing yourself up its Cowardly not that i would expect an Iranian to know this.

If you have so much balls and such a problem with the U.S I hope your country tries to attack us but as of the moment we're both stuck waiting

There have also been no reason to think the F22 is incapable. Almost Every American plane used by the current air force has proven itself. The F22 will be the same.

I hope I see you on the battlefield one day.

Dont try to educate me on my own country again!
 
  by: U.S Army 1991   05/03/2008 07:40 AM     
  Nuclear bombs  
 
The one thing America always has up its sleeve. America would never use such a weapon again after the horror of japan. But in the case of a highly unlikely loss in Iran. They are always here.

Dont say that u might have nukes or will soon get them. The Israeli's would have either already taken them out or will destroy them the second u get them. Even your great iran will never fool the Mosad. They have kept tabs on the whole middle east and will be right up ur ass the minute they believe its a threat.
 
  by: U.S Army 1991   05/03/2008 07:50 AM     
  @U.S. Army  
 
I think what *you* need, my friend, is another Red Bull. Not the pansy sugarless kind, either.
 
  by: l´anglais     05/03/2008 08:02 AM     
  Iran=no help  
 
I would like to know if war was started who would support Iran against the U.S. I mean i know Israel would be right at our sides finally getting to rie themselves of that pathetic nuclear reactor iran has and beating off arab nations is what Israel does best. They have never lost a war with an Arab nation yet and have always dominated kill to loss ratios for obvious reasons. What country would come to a corrupt iran regimes aid against a coalition of at least U.S Israel and Canada?

By the way i would like to hear who thinks world war two could have been won without U.S help?
 
  by: U.S Army 1991   05/10/2008 06:51 PM     
  What the Hell Iran air force must suck  
 
-"Our Air Forces record speaks for its self our F-14 had 160 kills vs ~8 losses (Saddam had no Air Force)"

WTF if Saddam had no air force what 160 did you kill?
Also if it had no air force how did u lose 8 planes? -retard
If those F14 are so great how would Saddam's forces be able to shoot one down since they sucked s much.
 
  by: U.S Army 1991   05/10/2008 06:55 PM     
  wow  
 
talk about a pissing contest. ....

you boys sound like my next door neighbors kids. ... who can pee farther?

i guess the days of MAD (mutually assured destruction) are making a go at it again?

and i honestly was reading every word of this, until i happened upon havoc's wall of text. i refuse to read a thing that waste-of-space posts.
 
  by: elijah4twenty     05/10/2008 07:34 PM     
 
 
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