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03/31/2008 06:36 AM ID: 69675 Permalink   

Doubt Over Lifesaving Kiss


The Australasian College of Emergency Medicine claims that mouth to mouth resuscitation should be abolished and only chest compressions should be used, a move it says will save more lives.

Two studies have shown that only using compression techniques, more patients survived without brain damage. Last year the peak body that oversees resuscitation, the Australian Resuscitation Council, cut the recommended rate of breathes to compressions.

One study reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association shows a threefold increase in the chance of survival of patients who had chest compression-only resuscitation.

    WebReporter: stretchman Show Calling Card      
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  What about  
with the use of O2 via a bag valve?
This is unfortunetly not discussed but still relevant. As a volunteer ambulance officer I have o2 with me 95% of the time on duty.
While I understand the reccomendation to eliminate breaths entirely, if they were to do that and more people started dying there would be grounds to sue in the modern litigious society.

  by: ssxxxssssss   03/31/2008 07:20 AM     
  @ ssxxxssssss  
I'm a vollie fire fighter, which is why this story interested me. The local bush lawyer at the station reckons A. we can only do what we are trained to do & B. We are covered(in WA anyway) by FESA's insurance & law.

It doesn't say at the source but I wonder if the compressions are the standard that we are taught or if there is a different technique.
  by: stretchman     03/31/2008 04:51 PM     
i supose this kind of studio must have some grounds, as SX says is easier with an air bag but in must accidents there is no equipment around, and this technique was created to resucitate a victim without equipment, also i know many ppl who knos how to do CPR doubt to guive mouth to mouth because of aids and other diseases, so if you don't have to maybe ppl loss less time in helping victims.

On a personal side, i think everybody should be trained on this technique, that will save more ppl.
  by: demonh8   03/31/2008 04:52 PM     
  @ demonh8  
Too right mate.

Doing a a first aid course takes anywhere from 2 hours to 2 days. You may never need to use what they teach you. There again, it might be your kid/ loved one that you save.

Want to take that risk?
  by: stretchman     03/31/2008 05:24 PM     
Stretchman, your last sentence does not make sense. Please proofread before submitting.
  by: nakedman3   03/31/2008 08:47 PM     
makes sense to me.

  by: elijah4twenty     03/31/2008 09:47 PM     
  Most instances...  
... that require CPR are myocardial incidences that require increased perfusion. Now if the incidents were due to asphyxiation then you would need to include the breathing. There is also the fact that most are not trained properly and slow down too much when giving the breaths.

The idea is that a heart attack already has sufficient O2 saturation and the small movements of chest compressions actually force air in and out enough that its benefits outway stopping the totaly perfusion to give air.
  by: Kuhl   03/31/2008 10:50 PM     
I agree but what about in remote areas where defib aid is over 30 mins away? O2 saturation is sure to drop way down. In the city its fine, 3-8 minutes before paramedics arive, but not in the country.

The current CPR compression ratio is 30 compressions to 2 breaths. 5 of those 'sets' every 2 minutes.
  by: ssxxxssssss   04/01/2008 01:17 AM     
yes, it was changed between the hour that I posted and you read it.
  by: nakedman3   04/01/2008 05:18 PM     
  @The Australasian College of Emergency Medicine  
Who are you, and why should I care what you conclude?
  by: promontorium   04/02/2008 08:18 AM     
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