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04/23/2008 08:15 PM ID: 70218 Permalink   

Gas Hacking


Police in Casselberry Florida are investigating a crime ring that has been seen using an electronic device that allows them to steal unlimited amounts of gasoline from a station pump. At least 5 vehicles were spotted stealing gasoline by officers.

Police officer, Lt. Dennis Stewart said, "One of the operatives (got) out and used a computerized device to bypass the pumps so they could pump an unlimited amount of gas into the vehicles."

The group used spotters to keep an eye out for police. After noticing the officers, one woman in the group signaled the others and the group scattered, driving in different directions. Police managed to stop one of the five vehicles from escaping.

    WebReporter: slavefortheman Show Calling Card      
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  Hope they get away with it.  
The fuel companies are greedy bastards, and these guys have decided they don't want to pay for the incredibly overpriced, yet neccessary product.
  by: barryriley   04/23/2008 08:31 PM     
  I wonder who gets hurt here  
Im betting its the retailer. Well in a lot of cases the locations is part of the big company too. Anyhow I hope they dont get caught either. As long they dont hit any small mom and pop locations.
  by: slavefortheman     04/23/2008 08:36 PM     
where can someone get this say device?
  by: Ph0bia   04/23/2008 08:59 PM     
  From what I understand ...  
retailers don't make much off gas sales -- like maybe less than 20 cents per gallon, though I may be wrong. That's why they sell so much stuff inside the store, especially alcohol and cigarettes.
  by: l´anglais     04/23/2008 08:59 PM     
  not hard at all.  
hell. its not even hacking. gas pumps have locks on the outside of them. keybump it open, use the electronic keypad inside to set the price of gas to $0.00 and viola. you can get manuals on how to reprogram the pumps via keypad from the internet. most pump locks have the same keys (master keys) so that different companies all have access to a range of pumps.

happens often, and its *too* easy. just takes a bit of derring-do, and a good set of fingers.
  by: elijah4twenty     04/23/2008 09:08 PM     
its actually less. it used to be 7 cents a gallon. now its 11. i know this as i have a relative who runs a gas station in FL, but im in NY.
  by: DRK   04/23/2008 09:08 PM     
I use to work for Caltex(Australian version of Chevron)as a Database Analyst. And they try and tell everyone that they barely make any money off the petrol and oil products they sell and that the government takes so much(which they do, but its the government that's what there good for), but in a bad year when profits are down because of plant modifications they still made 500 million dollars profit! and bought us all $1000 chiropractic chairs and relocated us to a darling harbor location. Then on top of that they start a business restructuring to squeeze as much money out of the company as possible by consolidating HR and IT and other necessary services. After working at Caltex i have come to the generalised conclusion that oil companys are evil, just before i quit we found that we had lost $30,000 potential income and stolen thousands of dollars from some of our merchants and even know we had a high tech loss management system in place there solution was to sweep it under the carpet. Now i work for Fuji Xerox, Less greed, Smaller Egos, more happiness. YAY
  by: ShiftyFarker   04/24/2008 12:51 AM     
  if you put  
1 oz of pure acetone (you can get it at wal-greens, it's nail paint remover, however, don't get the dilluted stuff, get the 100% acetone stuff, it's like 6 bux a bottle) for every 10 gallons of gas you have in your tank. Your fuel economy will go up 60-70%. Search when they finish re-doing the databases and find the video.
  by: meshuggahfan   04/24/2008 01:12 AM     
  Here are some links.  
This is a couple of pictures of a slide show, showing the margin on the petrol.

They say they make $4 after expenses on a tank of petrol, now there are over 12.5 million cars in Australian and lets say an average tank costs $70(i have a Mazda 3 and it costs about that) and on top of that you use i tank of petrol a week on average(obviously some people drive more some people drive less) and Caltex has a 30% market share. ($4 a tank x 12.5 million cars)x 52 * 30% market Share = $780 Million. So even though they may have a relitivly low margin at the end of the day it add up to a lot. As well as money made from raw petrol sales, Caltex is also in agreement with Woolworth to have access to the distribution network for grocery's(So Caltex stores have massive buying power) so you might goto mobile and buy a bottle of 1.25 liter bottle of coke for $4 and they will only have a margin of like 60cents and the Caltex stores will have a margin of $2.50 because even though they are buying these products a lot cheaper then there competitors they are still charging the same as them. Roughly 50% of profits are from the actual franchises shop sales.
  by: ShiftyFarker   04/24/2008 01:23 AM     
Sorry, that's not true.
  by: vash_the_stampede     04/24/2008 01:50 AM     
You're an idiot. The gas station owner takes the hit for it, not the oil company. Gas station owners make pennies for every gallon they sell. But thanks for the stupid comment, idiot.
  by: noscamman   04/24/2008 01:54 AM     
it seems you never got your proper welcome to SN. so, welcome. enjoy your short stay amongst us here.

comments such as your 'thanks for the stupid comment, idiot generally arent well recieved here. you just end up negating any future comment you may have since you let fly with comments like that. not to mention, it makes you look like a bit of an ass.

the only person i see paddling the 'stupid boat' would be yourself.
  by: elijah4twenty     04/24/2008 04:37 AM     
real smooth vash, give me a link that opens a bunch of pop-ups, real credible source there. Hey, listen, I have this old ass jeep from '95 (YJ) and I have done this trick, it worked, so yeah, I dunno what to tell you. I normally got like 200 miles to the tank, and now get about 260-275 before I hit the E needle. So yeah, i dunno what to tell you man, I got it from, tried it out, it worked, what can I say?
  by: meshuggahfan   04/24/2008 06:11 AM     
I guess I should also ask you if you have tried it yet. I guess I'm asking if you are an armchair skeptic, or an actual person that will try something out to see if it will work. We need more engineers on this earth, not armchair skeptic. Ordinarily I agree with what you put down 100% vash, but giving me a source that has pop-ups totally ruined my day.
  by: meshuggahfan   04/24/2008 06:14 AM     
plus I trust hackers more than I trust some dimwit that was payed money to "say" something a certain way.
  by: meshuggahfan   04/24/2008 06:16 AM     
where could we find these manuals?
  by: cray0la     04/24/2008 07:15 AM     
that is a joke
  by: cray0la     04/24/2008 07:41 AM     
Oh, wow, I went to that site and it didn't have anything on it, it just said it would be back later. Real smooth there. I trust (a legitimate urban-legend-debunking resource) more than a website full of dimwits who think adding nail polish remover to a gas tank is a good idea. And 200 + 60% is not 260. Learn to math.

Next time you have something to say, think of all of it first so you can have one post that is easily understood instead of several making you seem like a raving madman. And, really, a website with popups ruined your day? Some life you must have.
  by: TalahRama   04/24/2008 08:56 AM     
Actually, based upon testimonials, it's a little hit & miss. It's shown to help, but depends a great deal on what kind of gas is mix with it. Any gas that contains higher Ethanol & Alcohol levels has a counter-effect to Acetone.

From what I understand, Acetone is suppose to help with the combustion efficiency by decreasing the surface tension of fuel during the evaporation process... it lowers the necessary combustion temp.

It's cheap and already used in quite a few car fuel performance additives on the market. The optimal ratio is 3 oz per 10 gallons, it doesn't take much.

Word of warning, the oil industry claims it will ruin your gaskets and fuel injector. Independent testing has been reported to show no ill effects...

I've just heard about it recently, I'm going to do some performance benchmarking with a before & after mpg test.

I'm not surprised that this ruffles big oils feathers.
  by: ukcn001XYZ   04/24/2008 09:09 AM     
  What they actually used  
I live in Orlando near where the incident occurred. On the local news they explained that the thieves would use a gas card to start the pump, take off the metal plate underneath the handles and insert a device which could be easily constructed from parts purchased at a hardware store. most likely it was just an elbow or T-Joint that they placed in between the large tank in the ground and the fuel regulator which keep track of how much was pumped.
  by: sanetaneprodz   04/24/2008 09:17 AM     
Where can we find these manuals?--not a joke.
  by: pimpzini   04/24/2008 09:22 AM     
I've worked at a couple of petrol stations and I've never seen a pump where you have to manually adjust the price on a keypad attached to the pump. It's all done from the comfort of the till.
That being said, me and some friends figured out a few ways to get free fuel; one of which involves openning the pump door and stopping the regulator from spinning at the right point, this would allow fuel to flow without it ticking up £/$'s on the meter.
Anyway, perhaps you have different pumps in America, but as I say, I've never seen keypads or anything of that ilk inside a pump.
  by: G1itch   04/24/2008 02:26 PM     
  When people  
drive off before paying it isn't the company or the servo that cops the loss, it is normally the shop attendant. So when people think they are scamming a big company, they are in fact probably ripping off a battler on minimum wage.
  by: stretchman     04/24/2008 06:06 PM     
I don't care if your momma didn't teach you right from wrong. Stealing gasoline is wrong no matter how you look at it.
  by: noscamman   04/24/2008 06:52 PM     
  Only one way to know...  
set up a controlled experiment, boost the back of your car so the wheels don't touch the ground, fill it up with 10 or so L without additive (run it 10 or so times), then do it with Acetone (10 or so times). Make sure you run down the fuel completely.

@meshuggahfan just because you did something someone else told you to do, hardly makes you an "engineer"
  by: tiggyfiggy   04/25/2008 12:59 AM     
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