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04/25/2008 04:02 AM ID: 70263 Permalink   

Arctic Ice Retreating Faster Than Expected


The World Wildlife Fund has released a report stating that Arctic Ice may be melting faster than most climate change science has concluded.

The report found that ice across the arctic region and in Greenland was retreating "at rates significantly faster than predicted in previous expert assessments".

In the report it also states that the Arctic is now more prone to summer thaw due to reduced area and thickness of the region's multi-year sea ice.

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  unstoppable cycle?  
the more the ice melts, the faster the rest of it melts...
  by: brianwcu     04/25/2008 04:26 AM     
  Solar maximum  
its only going to get more worse. Especially since NASA researchers announced that the next cycle would be the strongest since the historic maximum in 1859. Oh 2012, I can't wait.
  by: Vhan     04/25/2008 05:35 AM     
Is that true? I heard it's still up in the air in regard to the cycle having more/less sun spots, more sun spots being worse(warmer).

If that's the case and there are more sun spots, then I worry that'll give big oil more fodder to use in mitigating the blame.... *sigh*

Mr Fusion, to save the day!
  by: ukcn001XYZ   04/25/2008 07:01 AM     
As far as I have been able to tell -- and I've looked into it extensively -- there have never been reports of higher-than-normal temperatures on Earth during increased solar storm activity. The energy that reaches Earth is predominantly elecromagnetic, not heat.
  by: l´anglais     04/25/2008 07:11 AM     
I heard the same.
That the threat from solar cycles is from electrical systems suffering from the EM bursts, or is this just fear mongering?
  by: silentrage   04/25/2008 10:03 AM     
that arcticle gave no #'s, people will twist words to prove there point and the sheep will eat it up.
  by: snowman47   04/25/2008 03:07 PM     

(Just in the last week)

It must be all in our heads ... especially with a liberal funded organization like the WWF.
  by: Daev     04/25/2008 03:29 PM     
  looked back into it.  
Shouldn't have over looked it. l'anglais said it correctly. Though both information is out there now I just don't know who is correct. Knowing how the sun spots work I can see how it would be more electromagnetic then heat.

I just don't know now.
  by: Vhan     04/26/2008 04:35 AM     
  we don't even have  
the kind of technology to even begin to imagine what kind of shit comes off of the sun. But then again thinking that the sun will always remain the same is also putting all of your eggs in one basket. Location in space, the surroundings of other nearby stars have effects as well. Does anyone know if it would be possible for our sun to be picking up gravitons or electro magnetic waves from someplace else? I guess once we understand how all of it really works, then we'll have the technology to build an actual real model and use it to simulate everything (all dimensions) perhaps then we will know what really goes on.
  by: meshuggahfan   04/26/2008 12:33 PM     
Conservatives on war: "We cannot wait for the smoking gun, which could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."

Conservatives on climate change: "We can't do anything until we understand the phenomenon perfectly."
  by: l´anglais     04/27/2008 07:37 PM     
Did another .1% of the ice shelf fall off in the beginning of summer? Dear Jesus... Its doomsday.
  by: steme   04/28/2008 07:18 PM     
people like you wont be happy till there no arctic or antarctic ice left...

similarly you'd probably still deny there was a GW problem if 45-50C became commonplace.

you do know that surface ice on earth reflects light energy back into space (ideally.. the CO2 makes this a alittle harder to do; less efficent), while water absorbs the light energy as heat which further helps the ice melt hich in turn again cause the ice to melt faster... all the while decreasing how much light energy CAN be reflected back out to space a a direct result of there being less surface area of ice to reflect it from.

and of course the problem doesn't stop there, as the earth starts getting warmer (esspecially closer to the poles) permafrost starts to melt, as this melts it releases and even more dangerous (albeit shorter lived) culprit to GW; methane.

how about this .1%

"An ice island the size of a small city is adrift in the Arctic after breaking free from one of Canada's largest ice shelves, scientists said today.

The ice island is 37 metres (120ft) thick and measures 9 miles by 3 miles, according to the CanWest News Service. It broke clear from Ellesmere island, about 500 miles south of the North Pole, 16 months ago, triggering tremors so powerful they were picked up by earthquake monitors 155 miles away."

or this one

"An Antarctic ice shelf that was 200 metres thick and had a surface area of 3,250 square kilometres has broken apart in less than a month."

BTW, its estimated that 90% of the ice canada had in 1906 has melted away.... theres nearly 1%/year from the artic alone (second last paragraph under "'Consistent with climate change'")

oh and how about this one... this is one that about to break off (as of a month and a half ago), 6000 square miles ice shelf (larger than the state of Connecticut):
  by: HAVOC666     04/28/2008 07:57 PM     
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