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French Hostage-Taking Excercise Gone Awry. 17 Injured including 3yo

 

Sunday at a base near the city of Carcassonne in southwestern France an army Sergeant open fire on a crowd of hundreds of visitors during a training exercise.

17 people were reported injured including a 3 year old boy and a 6 year old girl when the Sergeant apparently opened fire with live ammo rather than the intended blanks.

Colonel Benoit Royal said that the use of the live ammo was "99.9% likely to be an unintentional fault". President Nicolas Sarkozy promised "swift and severe punishment"

 
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hope they will punish strictly the soldier and those who have to reexamine the cartridges.
 
  by: vizhatlan     06/30/2008 04:36 PM     
  I believe this is exactly why  
 
You should never point a gun right at someone (especially innocent bystanders) and pull the trigger, even if it is "supposed" to be loaded with blanks. Just feels too much to me like you're testing God in a manner likely to piss him off.
 
  by: maverick7h     06/30/2008 04:43 PM     
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it is still unknown if it was intentional or not.

it's a weird story, today i read that a journalist have found live ammunations in a box hidden just outside of the training facility.

i've seen blanks and live ammunutions before, you really have to be an idiot if you don't recognize which one is the blank and which one is the live ammunition.

Plus this guy is a sergeant, from an elite unit ( marine paratroopers ), its not like he is a basic soldier who just entered service..

 
  by: ProTesTa     06/30/2008 05:21 PM     
   
 
I'm just thankful no one died.
 
  by: VermiciousG     06/30/2008 07:08 PM     
  Yea...  
 
I don't think you can call yourself Special Forces if you cant immediately distinguish what bullets your handling.
 
  by: steme   06/30/2008 07:17 PM     
  @steme  
 
You dont need eyes to tell what bullets you are handling. They are THAT different.
 
  by: Eidron   06/30/2008 11:06 PM     
  First major difference  
 
is the sound they make.
 
  by: lauriesman     07/01/2008 01:45 AM     
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The soldier in question first fired a magazine loaded with blanks, then reloaded with a magazine containing live ammo. That's probably crucial to figuring out how and why this happened.
 
  by: lĀ“anglais     07/01/2008 02:22 AM     
  Blanks Vs. Ball & Tracer  
 
The French use the same type ammo (5.56x45) as the US.
http://www.inetres.com/...

Shows a picture of the different type of munitions.
Current blank usage is the M200 Blank
Current Ball (or just regular ol' solid projectile) is the M855 Ball
Current Tracer (typically loaded with ball at a ratio of 4 to 1)

Note the significant design difference. On the blanks, the brass is crimped inwards and sealed with no projectile.

The M855 on the other hand has a projectile and is green tipped.

I know when I give a class, I don't care how many times my students have cleared their weapons, they don't point at each other or me. I would never point MINE at them either.
 
  by: jprobst   07/01/2008 02:54 AM     
 
 
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