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07/01/2008 02:37 AM ID: 71736 Permalink   

55 Percent of Gun Deaths in America are Suicide


In 2005, the most recent year for which data is available, 55 percent of the gun-related deaths in the United States were suicides. There was nothing special about 2005, as suicides have been the number-one gun death for 20 of the past 25 years.

In 2005, 40 percent of gun-related deaths were murders; three percent were accidents, and 2 percent were legal killings, including when police shot criminals and those of undetermined intent.

The Supreme Court ended the Washington D.C. handgun ban (SN reported) despite the fact that suicide and homicide rates dropped during the ban. Four public health groups supported the ban, saying suicide attempts without a gun are less successful.

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Interesting statistics.

I disagree with the ban though, and this is more from a purely objective perspective:

A person who is seriously trying to kill themselves will succeed. I know this might sound bad, but I would rather a person succeed in killing themselves, than that they should suffer brain damage or chronic injuries that further degrade their quality of life (which obviously wasn't stellar to begin with). I think also, that the load that such failures put on the public health system and indirectly onto tax payers also has to be considered. I think, in some sense, that a father killing himself and his kids with a pistol is more humane than the same man driving his family into a lake or dam. Both are tragic losses, but at least with the pistol the children didn't suffer, ya know?

I suppose the flip side of this is that guns make it very easy to do something immediately, something that you might choose not to do if you had time to think while you went about it.

Criminals will always have weapons, I think we can all acknowledge that.
  by: lauriesman     07/01/2008 02:50 AM     
"A person who is seriously trying to kill themselves will succeed."

"the fact that suicide and homicide rates dropped during the ban"

"purely objective perspective"

I'm having trouble understanding how these quotes fit together in your mind.
  by: Ec5618   07/01/2008 03:35 AM     
  Guns, Guns, Guns  
I returned from Iraq in September. Ive always understood the right to own guns and agreed. Did not understand why the "Gun Nuts" all wanted TONS of guns. Took a job as a weapons instructor for the Army. So basically, I work with all gun nuts. Its been a few months and I have re-evaluated my stance. Guns are not for everyone but, there is SO much culture, skill, sport, talent, self control... I could go on. Pistol and Rifle matches rarely get press. Most of the press guns get is negative. My point is there is a lot more to guns than violence. Check out a gun match some time. The people are generally friendly and willing to let you use their equipment, along with show you how to do everything.
  by: jprobst   07/01/2008 03:48 AM     
The article is very interesting, though in the summary there is a slight error. It speaks of 2 percent involving legal killings and undetermined intent in the source, while the summary speaks of five percent of undetermined intent. In the summary they add up to 105%, so it might have to be edited.

Going on about the article, because comments need to have substance, it's interesting why the Supreme Court ended the ban, even though it led to lower homicide and suicide rates. Are US citizens really so intent on getting their guns, or are these lobbyists that make certain they sell their guns? How much of this was for the public good, or what the public wants, and how much has been caused by lobbyists trying to get more sales?
  by: Zygo   07/01/2008 03:51 AM     
A person who is serious about killing themselves will - whether it's with a gun, a knife, a car, jumping from the 9th story of an apartment block, overdosing on medication, poison injestion or self-asphyixiation.

Yes, I would expect rates to drop slightly, because people who otherwise would have committed murder or suicide in a rash action were given a cooling period by having to rely on other methods. However drops in homicides and suicides cannot be directly attributed to a ban on guns, since there are a plethora of other factors involved, including policing, outreach, and educational efforts.

  by: lauriesman     07/01/2008 04:47 AM     
"However drops in homicides and suicides cannot be directly attributed to a ban on guns, since there are a plethora of other factors involved"

But how many of these factors were actually involved in the period of banning handguns in Washington? Did they all majorly change during that period too or, as much as the gun enthusiasts would hate to admit it, can it be attributed to the ban?
  by: barryriley   07/01/2008 03:25 PM     
be those peoples would live now if it would not have been their own weapon. I would not allow the weapon's possession.
  by: vizhatlan     07/01/2008 03:53 PM     
  Guns dont cause suicide  
Ya'know, I can't count the number of times when I was just, you know, hangin' out in my house, when my gun flew from the countertop, across the room, pried itself into my hands, and tried to kill me.
And I've only got 2 guns. Lord knows how many suicides must have happened growing up with myself and my 2 brothers and no less than a few dozen guns in the house.
  by: vbnative73   07/01/2008 04:00 PM     
"Guns dont cause suicide"
Having an easy and relatively pain free method of committing suicide around the house does seem to increase the number of suicides. Your strawman regarding guns that kill their owners is pointless; gun owners commit suicide using a gun.
  by: Ec5618   07/01/2008 04:04 PM     
It's pretty well a given that someone who has decided to commit suicide will find a way to accomplish that goal. However, not all suicides are of that type. Some suicides are, in fact, a spur of the moment thing by someone who is at a very low point in their life, feeling overwhelmed, etc.
  by: StarShadow     07/02/2008 12:21 AM     
  @StarShadow : good point!  
I think the relationship here is: when using a gun you tend to easily succeed. Whereas in other forms for attempted suicide, you may survive if you don't try really hard. Another thing, when killing yourself with a gun, you can do it privately and quickly; thereby never allowing for help.

The next problem is this: some people kill themselves because they are angry at themselves. Others kill themselves when they are angry at others because they are angry at themselves. The gun makes for a very effective murder/suicide tool.

Guns don't kill people - but they sure make it easier.
  by: mexicanrevolution   07/02/2008 12:45 AM     
There were less suicides, yes.

Now let's look at it from the perspective of AMERICA IS HEADING TO SELF DESTRUCTION (argue with that point, please).

This being the case, the general public is going to need their guns at some point in time. I just hope the greedy f***s in government aren't so drastic as to nuke us...

As for the rest of the arguments, well, lauries completely destroyed your points with logic. Guns don't kill people, irrational thinking does. Fix the people, rather than going for the easy solution of "ban guns!!!"

If someone is angry and unstable enough, they'll go around with home-made bombs to kill people.

"But we banned guns, how did this happen?!?!"

Because that's not a long-run solution to anything :)
  by: dekar   07/02/2008 10:34 PM     
The long term solution was figured out ages ago, it's just that no one will implement it.

Make bullets cost $5000 each.
  by: silentrage   07/02/2008 10:44 PM     
  @ all "Suicidal people will succeed"  
My Sister has been clinically depressed for the last 18 months and on no less than three occasions has tried to kill herself; the last time she crashed her car into a reinforced brick pillar.

Now, each time she has tried she's had a change of heart during the action itself, for example, while cutting herself she stopped and stemmed the flow, or when crashing her car she began to break at the last second.
Now my question, is at what point would she be able to do some damage control if she had a gun?
The fact is if my sister had a gun she'd be dead.
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  by: CaptChurch   07/18/2008 12:27 AM     
  What is that I smell?  
It smells like a ban hammer. Better watch out.
  by: maverick7h     07/18/2008 12:36 AM     
  I smell a "harpy" [maverick]~~~  
An internet/forum "harpy" drops his garbage on other people's sincere this case, he harms others by his ignorance!
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  by: CaptChurch   07/18/2008 12:48 AM     
I smell one too.

You are welcome to join in the discussions on any of the stories that get posted, but if you keep spamming threads, and attacking the people who post objections to your spam, I don't forsee a long stay for you.
  by: StarShadow     07/18/2008 01:28 AM     
Mav and SS have been here for a combined total of 10 years but hey, what the hell would they know about how things work around here?

I regard your posts as spam. If you want to post links then put them in your profile. Any further repeats will result in StarShadow's prophecy coming true and then some.
  by: ixuzus     07/18/2008 02:24 AM     
  55 Percent of Gun Deaths in America are Suicide  
The gun debate is endless and irreconcilable. Where your passion lies is usually determined by your political persuasion.

But there are some facts worth noting that rendered through the lense of objectivity, would reveal indisputable facts:

1. The US is inherently a VERY VIOLENT culture (duh, you can thank our revolutionary beginnings).

2. The proliferation of guns accentuates and/or aggravates this situation (duh).

Outcome: the highest murder rate and/or violence associated w/guns.

How do I know this fact?

I researched this subject in college for a psych. paper. What I found was startling:

The US is unique given the scenario I just described above. There are countries that are worst NUTS than us, but have no where near the crime statistics or cultural underpinnings like us.

So, would gun control reduce and/or eliminate gun violence?

The answer is YES / NO.

The YES response: I am in favor of stricter laws and/or gun control -- anything that can reduce the risk "statistically" is worthwhile.

The NO response: because the US is such a VIOLENT CULTURE, unfortunately, gun control will not solve the problem entirely -- so there is some validity to the common diatribe by gun advocates that "criminals will have get guns."

There, that is your official answer to this endless debate.

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  by: Jsphrsa   09/06/2010 10:20 PM     
This thread is over 2 years old.
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