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08/04/2008 10:44 AM ID: 72481 Permalink   

“Dress Up Navy Seals As Iranians And Shoot At Them” Cheney’s Plan to Provoke War With Iran


Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh claims a recent meeting held at the highest levels in the White House discussed methods which could be used to provoke a war with Iran.

The meeting was held after the “filipino monkey” incident, according to Mr. Hersh's source. The prize-winning journalist claims the administration learned after that incident that “if you get the right incident, the American public will support” it.

One of the plans discussed involved dressing Navy Seals as Iranians in mock Iranian boats loaded with weapons and provoking a shootout, a plan that was finally rejected.

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  more sources  
none of them very good ... but If you don't consider Seymour Hersh as a source than you'll need help to pulling your head out of there !
  by: Hugo Chavez     08/04/2008 10:49 AM     
Was this the method used for the "911" attack??
  by: gramin   08/04/2008 10:59 AM     
  US Navy Seals to Solicit Iran in War  
Support gramin's comment - given the farce of democracy with the current Iraqi situation and how it started after 9/11! Still no proof of WMDs and loss of civilian life continues - for what? Supporting weapon industries backed by the US govt!
  by: ladymin   08/04/2008 11:35 AM     
Dress them up and shoot at them.

Looks like the US government respects their armed forces and their people about as much as the UK government respects ours.

I do rather hope that the UK doesn't get dragged in. Our people don't deserve to die for this crap. Best of luck America, my thoughts are with you, your government is clearly stark raving mad.

As before, the best way to stem the violence is to simply stand up and say "Not in my name".
  by: Maxx20     08/04/2008 12:45 PM     
  Crazy, senile, delinquents.  
Was this the method used for the "911" attack?? gramin.

I don't think so, but I honestly believe it was nothing like we were lead to believe.
I have never known a crime scene as quickly cleaned up, ever before!
  by: captainJane     08/04/2008 01:48 PM     
  By "interesting" I mean  
"unsurprising". Cheney is certifiable, IMO. He also makes a lot of money in the defense and oil industries. Maybe he's homicidal, not certifiable, because if you make your money in those areas it would actually be of great benefit to you to keep oil producing regions unstable, driving up prices, and requiring military intervention and then reconstruction using your products and/or people.

On a very slightly related note - I once saw a picture of Cheney with the Pope after Pope JP died. I had nightmares for weeks. There's something about both of them that makes me very uncomfortable. Scares me a bit even.

  by: morgora     08/04/2008 03:43 PM     
  Can you say, "Gulf of Tonkin"? I knew you could  
Sounds like high treason to me. Can we bring back drawing and quartering and televise it? We the People deserve some payback. Some cheap entertainment would do it for me.
  by: valkyrie123     08/04/2008 04:22 PM     
  Do I Think They Did It? I Don't Know  
Do I think they are capable of doing something like this?

Yeah, oh yeah.
  by: ichi     08/04/2008 10:05 PM     
  US government is a joke....  
You can bet the farm on it if PNAC is involved. I'm sure PNAC is behind all of the US lunacy in the last 8 years.(or longer) A war with Iran will destroy the US. Our economy will tank and the dollar will be worthless. The US mint will be issuing one billion dollar notes, too.
  by: JonSmith     08/04/2008 10:44 PM     
  Why don't they just say it happened  
like the Gulf of Tonkin Incident which precipitated the Vietnam war and was never shown to have ever happened.or at least happened very differently then reported. in the first incident USA fired first and in the second there were no north vietnamese boats. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
  by: MmmMan     08/05/2008 06:31 AM     
  Nazi Tactics  
Gleiwitz Incident:

Bush & Cheney need to be brought to justice, they are war criminals.
  by: lachs     08/05/2008 08:26 AM     
I'd always thought that the US admin were pursuing a few similar tactics to the Nazis.


I wonder what World War 3 will be like?
  by: Maxx20     08/05/2008 06:57 PM     
  If you shoot at SEALs  
You might even live to be sorry. But, probably not. The targeted service members might take casualties, but not lightly. And, not without extreme prejudice.

As my friend Harold Miller say, "Anyone who shoots at me is no friend of mine". Yes, I know: BAD idea to go hunting with Cheney.

IMHO, shooting at SEALs (or Marines, or special forces members) is a supremely BAD idea. What on God's green earth gives ANYONE the idea that they would not respond to gunfire? You'd have to be daft. Not in our culture. Not with Special Forces, SEALs or Marines.

This is just another liberal barrel of BS, and it stinks. Only in your drug dreams......
  by: LeePIII   08/05/2008 08:39 PM     
  Reminds me of Opperation Himmler:

Or the USS Liberty Incident:

Or the Gulf of Tonkin:

Or possibly the USS Maine, or many speculate that even Pearl Harbor itself was allowed to happen due to the simple fact that the US had already cracked the Japanese codes and were essentially reading their messages. Surely we would have caught that one...

Also do not forget the Reichstag Fire:

Falso flags are everywhere throughout history. The US has a history of using them as well as I have pointed out above. Also nations such as Germany have used them in the past to validate their invasion of Poland. Other countries have used them as well.

All I have to say is this: When a tragic event like 9/11 or the london train bombings occur now adays. Just look at who really benefits the most. Follow the money as they say and these people are usually the ones responsible.
  by: slavefortheman     08/05/2008 08:58 PM     
How do you keep the sand out of your nose when you've jammed your head under there?
  by: MomentOfClarity     08/05/2008 09:07 PM     
If this is true then couldn't Cheney be tried for conspiracy against the Iranians, and America's security?

If this came from other sources people would call it a conspiracy and end it with that.

Is something going to be done about this?
  by: Vhan     08/05/2008 09:31 PM     
As I look outside, all I see for nearly 100 miles in any given direction is sand and mountains; that is limited by the visibility of the air. I don't seem to have a problem. I'm not an underground kind of person.

But, by the token you've put out, how do you keep the sh*t out of your eyes from being wedged right up your a$$? I imagine your nose might not bother you, but your eyes? Sheesh.

You whacko conspriracy theorists never give it a rest, do you?

Go ahead: Take potshots at them, see what happens next.

I think I will remain clear of that nonsense.
  by: LeePIII   08/05/2008 10:52 PM     
"But, by the token you've put out, how do you keep the sh*t out of your eyes from being wedged right up your a$$?"

Classy. Pity the analogy doesn't work when only one of us is dismissing valid information with idiotic buzzwords. Yeah, it's all a vast left-wing conspiracy. ;)
  by: MomentOfClarity     08/05/2008 11:02 PM     
"You whacko conspriracy theorists never give it a rest, do you?"

Its funny that you are trying to argue with facts. Perhaps I can argue that gravity is just make believe. Or perhaps the Roman empire is just a myth!

Thats the logic of that statement. What Cheney said is what he said. There is no disputing that or else this article would have been blocked. Secondly the US and other nations have a history of false flag operations. Look at the above list for a few.

Those that forget history are damned to repeat it.
  by: slavefortheman     08/05/2008 11:22 PM     
Or die for it, in this case.
  by: MomentOfClarity     08/05/2008 11:33 PM     
  For sale  
  by: Darken702   08/06/2008 12:29 AM     
I'll take Seymour Hersch's word over yours, unless you are a Pulitzer prize winning Journo...? Didn't think so.

The United States has been involved in countless anti-democracy coups, false flag operations and shady deals (see Iran-Contra). If the CIA has been CAUGHT this many times, imagine how many times they got away with their sleaze.

Get off your high horse America, your mistaken belief that you are some kind of moral champion is as ridiculous as the 'intelligence' you use to embark on your wars for profit.
  by: lachs     08/06/2008 03:47 AM     
Aren't the SEALS getting enough of a beating in Afghanistan at the moment?

Poor bastards. Even their Vice-President wants to shoot at them.
  by: jendres     08/06/2008 04:19 AM     
You can fight them there and now, or your children can fight them 20 years from now in your back yards.

The fact of the matter is the militant ideology will not go away unless we make it, but it WILL continue to encroach if we let it. If we do not succeed in instigating a sea change against radical ideologies of ALL types, we will simply have to deal with the consequences later.

Call the US what you will, but for every warmongering headline there is for us, there's another headline for an EU nation adopting Sharia courts, or making outstanding concessions to Islam in an official fashion.

It's pretty simple, America's tactic is a thinly-veiled war on Islam, mostly so that they can fool the ignorant masses back in the USA. While I don't condone lying to the populace, the populace is so moronic at the moment that they don't know or care to know the true issues. As for the rest of the world, we don't really care, obviously. Have we ever? No. This is nothing new and frankly, why are people complaining? It's obvious Islam is not going to go away. So we just need to make supporting the extremist portion of it so terribly unbearable that the populace themselves will oust the bad apples for us.

Sure there's isolated pockets of Hindu extremists, Buhddist, Shinto, etc I'm sure, but there is no other ideology that galvanizes the poor and uneducated under a doctrine of regression and purposeful abandon of progress in the name of god.

If I have to choose between being a nation that's hated but largely secular and a nation that's politically correct but infused with a foreign religious doctrine for the sake of appeasement, I'll warmly accept all your hateful comments as a testament to my own strength of character while the EU and to a certain extent the UK itself continues blurring lines and ceding their own cities to be walled off as islamic ghettos, the inhabitants of which will refuse outright to integrate, morph, or otherwise cooperate with the existing society.

-At least my cities don't go up in riotous flames when the two muslim kids fleeing police fry themselves in a transformer yard.[France]

-At least my newspaper columnists and cartoonists don't get assassinated for expressing their opinions.[Denmark]

-At least my courts operate secularly with no possiblity of a theological doctrine like sharia slowly gaining ground.[UK],[EU at large]

Sorry guys, I know it's not as bad as the media makes it in Europe, but Islam has certainly made far more inroads there than it will ever make in the US, and I'm okay with the occasional bad headline or conspiracy theory if that's the case.
  by: japh   08/06/2008 09:40 AM     
  Get a load of the above post ...  
How ill informed you are either that or you are just deliberately feeding fear to people
I got about 4 lines into that rant and started to laugh then I realized you were being serious … (if you were writing a comedy piece it helps if you end the post with a “/sarc” tag)

Fight them now or your children will in 20 years time... you're having a laugh ... I suppose you have your tin hat and your gun ready or are you just another one of those false patriots ready to fight to the last drop of someone else's blood for a cause they told you exists on the TV.

---------While I don't condone lying to the populace, the populace is so moronic at the moment that they don't know or care to know the true issues.------------
That is taken straight out of the ideology of Leo Strauss the man whose ideology has gotten the US and indeed the West into the problem in the first place, continuing to use such an ideology is farcical at this stage in the game as the whole neocon dream is crumbling around you

As for that shira law in the Eu that just shows how little you know and what a blatant use of Fear tactics you have lowered yourself to or been fed .. Countries that have added aspects of sharia law or called for them have done so to unblock the civil courts system of divorce cases not because they want to start stoning women or cutting off heads or whatever other crap you want to make up to frighten people….get some facts straight … for god/allah/whoever’s sake…
You know if you replace the word Islam in your post above with Judaism and the word Islamist with Jew it would almost read like something from a 1930’s Nazi newsletter.

And then you end the post saying you’re Ok with the US vice president considering sending troops to deliberately provoke a war (a war crime btw in fact the ultimate war crime by Nuremberg standards ) after spouting how the “populace is so moronic at the moment that they don't know or care to know the true issues” well done! take your place with the rest of the morons dude … you speak for yourself on that one.
  by: Hugo Chavez     08/06/2008 11:15 AM     
The UK's problem is not the Muslims, they largely just want to get on with their lives, save the few who are a bit nuts. Our problem is with the liberals who took it too far. I consider myself a liberal in that I think people should have the freedom to do as they please (provided it doesn't negatively affect others). However, the liberals in government believe that it is right to inflict the views of the minority upon the majority so the minority don't feel left out (or something). This rot which is eating away at our current government is causing the racial tensions and suggestions of Sharia law in our courts. I can guarantee the Muslims would be just as happy in their own courts with their own people.

Here in reality land, no-one is coming to get anyone else and the only hostile foreign action is perpetrated by the developed world.
  by: Maxx20     08/06/2008 01:47 PM     
sleep easy from evil do'ers that might have a different viewpoint than yourself, Christianity, is statistically the largest growing religion.

But had a good run chasing that tail of yours, you have been trained well.
  by: ukcn001XYZ   08/06/2008 11:57 PM     
Don't waist your breath man... Your dealing with a website of lunatics that all think 9/11 was planned by the government and that Islamic extremist are not real.( These are the same people who sympathize with suicide bombers and petty criminals.

And just because you have a Pulitzer prize doesn't mean everything you say is always true.
  by: steme   08/07/2008 01:02 AM     
  ^- Perfect example...  
...of how out-of-touch the far right is, and why they can't get anything done right (even given 8 years, two branches of government, and nigh-unchecked power).

No, a Pulitzer doesn't mean everything you say is true, but it does give you credibility. That is, it did before relativism of intelligence and integrity became popular.
  by: MomentOfClarity     08/07/2008 01:15 AM     
Right, I agree, it's largely a problem with appeasement in the name of 'political correctness'. But it's as I was saying, they will snatch up every inch you cede in terms of policy and just about everything else.
  by: japh   08/07/2008 06:37 AM     
How dare you insinuate that I would allow my children to fight with dangerous criminals in my back yard? : )

Seriously though, man, how the hell would they get here? Did they get a navy while I wasn't paying attention? When did the al-Qaida Air Force come into being? Will they take luxury cruise ships? because commercial airliners don't look too promising for them right now.

That's my question for anybody who trots out the tired old "fight 'em over there so we don't have to fight 'em over here" nonsense. How exactly would they get over here for us to fight them?
  by: l´anglais     08/07/2008 09:11 AM     
Here's the point.

Here's you.
  by: l´anglais     08/07/2008 09:14 AM     
l'anglais just got it spot on. I really can't understand how people don't get it. The only reason that Westerners are dying in Iraq is because they are in Iraq. There are no suicide bombs or IEDs in their own countries. They actively travel thousands of miles to find them.

No-one is under threat if border control and national defence is taken seriously. Britain is a fine example, all that water round us kept us safe for centuries. That and the greatest navy that existed at the time. It's only since we've started meddling in the affairs of those in the Middle East that this fear and danger has come about.

Granted the IRA terrorized us for a several decades but they were based much closer in Ireland. Also, we negotiated with them and got a settlement, now there are no more bombs. Blair was a liar when he said we won't negotiate with terrorists, in fact, it was one of the most successful things he ever did.
  by: Maxx20     08/07/2008 12:12 PM     
  not the first time  
check out operation northwoods
  by: lambitus   08/07/2008 10:29 PM     
Well, THAT had a lot of interesting content. It was almost as useful as most of your posts.

ADD/HDAD, as well as too much dope smoking can create the symptoms you exhibit: no memory, can't focus, no sense whatever of reality. I once heard a rumor that being a booger-eating moron could do that to you, as well. Which is it with you? I haven't done drugs, and don't have ADD/HDAD. I relegate boogers to kleenex or something. I don't have trouble with reality, and I'm no moron. What's your excuse?

I guess hardly anyone would have to worry about you, no threat at all, except maybe on the spur of the moment.

You take care now, y'hear? Drive slow, and don't run with scissors.

  by: LeePIII   08/07/2008 10:53 PM     
  My Guess..  
"What's your excuse?"

Having to deal with people like you?

In any case, your attack was inappropriate and uncalled for.
  by: StarShadow     08/07/2008 11:07 PM     
"Well, THAT had a lot of interesting content. It was almost as useful as most of your posts.

ADD/HDAD, as well as too much dope smoking can create the symptoms you exhibit: no memory, can't focus, no sense whatever of reality. I once heard a rumor that being a booger-eating moron could do that to you, as well. Which is it with you? I haven't done drugs, and don't have ADD/HDAD. I relegate boogers to kleenex or something. I don't have trouble with reality, and I'm no moron. What's your excuse?

I guess hardly anyone would have to worry about you, no threat at all, except maybe on the spur of the moment.

You take care now, y'hear? Drive slow, and don't run with scissors."

Ha-ha, you got mad!
  by: l´anglais     08/08/2008 07:20 AM     
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