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09/04/2008 07:51 PM ID: 73167 Permalink   

Two Teens Get Life in Prison for Murder


Sean Downes and Thomas Luddington, both from Bedford, along with another 16-year-old whose name has been withheld, entrapped & savagely beat up Robert Gill using him for a punch bag before dragging him to a cash point.

Continuing with their game for at least half an hour, he was so petrified he had lost his bodily functions, they then forced him into the freezing cold water of the Great Ouse River in Bedford and left him to die.

CCTV footage was seen in court as evidence, filming the 3 taunting 16 year old Gill, as they beat & kicked him to the floor ordering him to get up again countless times. Luddington will serve 18yrs, Downes 17 yrs the third person four and 1/2 yrs.

    WebReporter: captainJane Show Calling Card      
ASSESS this news: BLOCK this news. Reason:
  There was so much to this story..  
but we can only do so much in here sadly.

from the source.
Scared for his life, Robert pleaded with them that he had given them the right number for his bank card but they did not believe him.
Sentencing, Judge John Bevan QC launched a scathing attack on the youngsters' families and the pubs and clubs which served them drinks.

He said: "There was at least half an hour of robbery, false imprisonment, bullying, punching, humiliating and terrifying a drunk, naive, harmless, non-aggressive, 17-year-old student who soiled himself in fear towards the end of the ordeal.

"There are elements here of parental responsibility, or the lack of it, and also the responsibility of the clubs and pubs in Bedford - in particular the Bricklayers Arms, Midas and New York New York.

"If premises like that put financial gain ahead of the appalling damage they do to youngsters, in particular Robert Gill, they should have a feeling of shame about the events of Boxing Day in Bedford.

"They should examine their consciences.

"The parents and grandparents, according to Luddington and Downes, also plied them with drink and they must have known that those two were liable to be aggressive in drink."

Downes and Luddington then threw him into the icy cold and fast-flowing river.

Robert's body was not found until eight days later, when it floated to the surface of the river.

The court heard Luddington was first convicted as a juvenile when he was
12 and had already served two custodial sentences and been given an Asbo.

  by: captainJane     09/04/2008 08:15 PM     
  I so wish these three were..  
sent to a Texan jail.

The kid they killed was an orphan his parents died of ill health when he was small, his adpoted Mother must feel so useless knowing how he died.

I hope they meet their match in there.
  by: captainJane     09/04/2008 08:53 PM     
these little shits should have the shit kicked out of them, just enough to break a few bones, that way they will understand what suffering the lad went through and maybe they will have some remorse for what they did and avoid the chance of doing it again when they get out of prison.
  by: philigs     09/04/2008 09:17 PM     
  A sad and  
disturbing story about young lad who was doing nothimg but minding his own business and being set upon by a group of thugs. I am so glad they are getting what they deserve. Cowards.
  by: sleeky     09/04/2008 09:37 PM     
  All I Can Say  
About the way the youth is taking to violence and general degradation of themelves and others, comes from Rob Zombie: "'s a sick generation..."
  by: Tumbleweed   09/04/2008 09:57 PM     
  This kind of thing  
hurts my heart. It really does. In my faith we put a huge emphasis on Honor because there is no forgiveness. These little bastiches had no honor and will receive no mercy or pity. Tyr, God of Justice, will see to them, I assure you.

^^cried a little bit for Robert, RIP in Helheim, place of peace and rest
  by: morgora     09/04/2008 10:03 PM     
  I wish I...  
could find it in my heart to forgive them and help them in their lives, but I can't help but feel 'let them rot' I would feel the same if one of them were my son. If they could do something like this they would be nothing to do with me.
  by: captainJane     09/04/2008 10:19 PM     
as in the god of single combat and heroic glory of Norse mythology? To quote wiki of course not me.
  by: sleeky     09/04/2008 10:38 PM     
  These kids  
Are a product of the UK's "no responsibility, no problem" culture. No job, no problem. Have kids you don't want to bother with? Let them get on with it, no problem. Child criminal? No problem, after all, one of these kids had been committing crime since he was 12, no-one was going to stop him, they just let him elevate to the ultimate crime. As for the younger kid, well he's only got 4.5 years in a young offenders institution, he'll have rights, regular family visits and trips to amusement parks as part of his time. It's more reward than punishment. As for the other 2, well they get 18 and 17 years respectively in a nice warm cell, with their 'human rights' TVs, playstations, 3 meals a day, exercise, education and counselling; not exactly a punishment. Then they'll be out again.

The only people suffering a life sentence here are the friends and family of the victim. Another promising UK citizen destroyed by creatures which will amount to nothing and burden society until they finally die. Hardly justice in my view.
  by: Maxx20     09/04/2008 11:39 PM     
Tyr is generally considered a God of justice to those of us in the faith. One of the things about my faith is - well, we do tend to fight. All of our Gods and Goddesses are heroic. If they were cowardly we'd have nothing to do with them.

^^says a nid every September 11
  by: morgora     09/05/2008 12:06 AM     
  Title is inaccurate  
The three individuals mentioned did not get "Life" in prison. 18, 17, and 4 1/2 years.
  by: lolcats   09/05/2008 02:20 AM     
  let me guess  
they were chavs.
  by: hamstertube   09/05/2008 01:37 PM     
Money and convenience are first and foremost, people hold the least of importance, unless of course if they have money. Let me guess they were chavs. hamstertube

That is an insult to chavs, apparently these three families are all the lowest species of life you can get, and right back to the grandparents that plied them with alcohol all night long, before the three bartards
went off to commit the crime.

The youngest will be out around their eighteeth birthday, just in time to enjoy the rest of his life!
  by: captainJane     09/05/2008 02:06 PM     
Texan Jail??? Pfff. How about Saudi Arabia.. They would be dead by noon on Friday by a single blow to the neck. Crowd will cheer and all those who watched will continue back to their normal lives with a sigh of relief. Three more scumbags meeting their match. Exact match.
  by: isuzu     09/05/2008 02:16 PM     
  Wow, life is 17 years?  
I can't believe the light sentences these shitheads are getting. I have a cousin in prison for a murder that he did not commit, but was there at the time, who has a sentence of life+35. The girl that his friend murdered wasn't even tortured like this poor kid was. All involved were 16 and friends at the time.
  by: amir8500   09/05/2008 04:52 PM     

Why not come back to your story, what exactly did your friend play in this apart from just being there? If they were only present here they do nothing!
Where did the murder happen?
  by: captainJane     09/05/2008 05:09 PM     
  I agree  
These are too light of sentences for these scum!
  by: reehaw     09/05/2008 05:28 PM     
It's a very long story which is why I opted not to post it in the first one. I'll give you the shortened version:

My cousin's always been into movies and has had a video camera for years. So this girl was house-sitting and they were going to scare the shit out of her on camera to use it for a horror movie they were working on. So they had gathered masks, gloves, and knives, left them in the car and went inside to hang out with the girl and the rest of their friends. After everyone left they snuck back in and hid in the basement. When she heard them making a noise she went to investigate, his friend went up the stairs to scare her. My cousin was at the bottom of the stairs heading up. He heard screaming which he anticipated, but found out that the screaming was because the kid was stabbing her. They left the house and drove a little way outside of town and buried all of the items (gloves, masks, knives, and the tape from the camera) in the desert. A few days went by where they had no suspects and were asking if anyone knew anything about it. And my cousin went forward and admitted that he knew. Before his parents or lawyer made it, the police kept trying to question him about it. When asked for his lawyer, they told him only guilty people need a lawyer. They promised him everything would be OK if he told them where the weapon was. So he told them exactly where it was at, basically giving them the entire case, then they used it against him just as they would have if he had never come forward. The town is small (about 60K people) and it's very republican. So they wanted someone to pay dearly for it. It is important to note that only one knife had blood on it, and only the clothing that the other boy was wearing had blood on it. During trial, one of the potential jurors lied claiming she knew none of the involved parties, but was friends with the girl's aunt, and one of the jurors fell asleep a few times. Obviously not ALL details are presented here, just the basics. He does know that he'll have to spend some time for the part that he did play. He fully expected to spend 10-15 years in prison. But life+35 is ridiculous IMO. It's also worth noting that there was a murder of a young lady a year or two prior to this. And the lady lived only a few houses away from the other kid. But one of the things that pisses me off the most, is that nothing ever happened to the adult that purchased the knives and gave them to the boys illegally. I wish people would think these things through. I now know first hand what these kinds of acts do to the 100% innocent family members.
  by: amir8500   09/05/2008 06:08 PM     
  Lose - Lose  
sorry if i am going to rile some of the holier-then-thou crowd in here.

Now I would believe it is a grave insult to justive if those teenagers were executed, even long prison sentences irk me. Teenagers are not fully congnisant of the cause and effects of their actions. Specially if they were not brought up right AND drunk.

There is a certain age when certain skills develop and you can only negotiate with nature so much, for example prior to 8 kids have no concept of sarcasm. A kid could come wearing a funny jacket. You tell him "nice jacket there ace", he will go home thinking: "Nice! he told me i have a nice jacket".

Also how many of you shoplifted when you were litte sh1ts. Would you do it again now? why not? Why did you do it back then?

The only way I would feel justice was served is if some adults were forced to serve time or at the very very least pay some hefty fines.
  by: kmazzawi     09/05/2008 06:25 PM     
  lolcats and others  
From the source:
"Two teenagers were given life sentences today for murdering a 17-year-old student they thought was refusing to hand over the pin number to his bank card."

You should be complaining against the source, not Jane's summary.
  by: JonSmith     09/05/2008 06:26 PM     
19 here. At 16 I definitely knew what was right and what wasn't.

I definitely knew that MURDER was wrong.

These worthless pieces of trash ought to be removed from the population permanently.
  by: edya   09/05/2008 09:30 PM     
I removed your assessment. The summary is true to the source. You can't punish the summary writer for problems with the source. That's not how it works here.
  by: Lurker     09/05/2008 10:36 PM     
In couple years, you will look back at people your age today, and will wonder if they belong to the same human race as you.

Unless they are close family or you knew them for long, you will not want to hang with them, you will not want to deal with them, talk to them, etc..

However when u are 35, you will have very little problems dealing with a 25.
  by: kmazzawi     09/05/2008 11:25 PM     
  @ Lurker  
The source may be inaccurate but the title of the summary here does not have to be.

Assessment applies. Please do try not to stifle the views and opinions of others on the site. Especially when constructive criticism is involved.
  by: lolcats   09/05/2008 11:34 PM     
Take it easy champ. They WERE sentenced to life. The years listed are their MINIMUMS.

From the source:

"Downes was sentenced today at Luton Crown Court to life imprisonment with a minimum of 17 years."
  by: amir8500   09/05/2008 11:39 PM     
  @ amir  
Summary does not state that those are the minimum sentences. Is this in the source itself or was this information added later?
  by: lolcats   09/06/2008 12:19 AM     
  @ Summary  
Omission of one key clarification led me to believe the title was inaccurate. Had the summary stated the terms were life with a minimum I would have assessed differently.

Still, if the mods cannot handle neutral (not negative) assessment then the assessment system will need to be removed.
  by: lolcats   09/06/2008 12:25 AM     
I'll let the mods handle it and I'm sure they will.

However, IMO this seems like you're just trying to justify the lower rating now. CaptainJane did a great job given the space she had for such a huge amount of information. I really wish they'd up the max characters by a few.
  by: amir8500   09/06/2008 12:34 AM     
  Can admin delete my last comment.  
it was meant for the murder summary!

  by: captainJane     09/06/2008 12:55 AM     
  @ amir, mods, everyone  
So, according to amir, never mention faults with a summary. Only provide uber-positive feedback and never point out anything that a submitter may want to take into account on their next summary. EVER.

And going further down that path please remove every option after "Well Summarized" from the Assessment drop-down.
  by: lolcats   09/06/2008 01:10 AM     
  They are always at their worst...  
in a crowd and usually nothing on their own!

The sentencing here is a joke, this sort most of the time come out even worse and commit vile acts of sickening violence to an even worse degree, the meet up with other inmate who are even more demented, so what does letting them go serve exactly? This is his third violent crime for him that we know about, just look how far he has progressed; he is a cold blooded killer, game over!


I do not know where you live but,The country I live in, a life sentence lasts for life. However, the sentencing, as in how long that person will actually serve is decided by the trial judge.
The standard time spent in prison by prisoners being released on life licence is currently is approximately 13 years.

  by: captainJane     09/06/2008 01:16 AM     
  @ amir  
Sounds like this kid got a really bad deal, and you are so right about the adults, I get you there, absolutely!
This is very interesting it really is, why the family would just accept a substitute for their loved ones death, it is ridiculous.
1-So he told them exactly where it was at, basically giving them the entire case, then they used it against him just as they would have if he had never come forward.
2 -It is important to note that only one knife had blood on it, and only the clothing that the other boy was wearing had blood on it. During trial,
3-one of the potential jurors lied claiming she knew none of the involved parties, but was friends with the girl's aunt, and one of the jurors fell asleep a few times. Obviously not ALL details are presented here, just the basics
These three points make a great story I am sure with a little guidance you could raise some interest in this case , maybe the media or for instance, we have a show called Panorama here they do a lot of real cases such as this.
  by: captainJane     09/06/2008 01:45 AM     
  @ lolcats  
If you had ever submitted a news summary on here (and that is not a critisism that you have not), you would know that the story is limited on what you can write, All of the writers have to try and break down the story to a few paragraphs and get as much information in to it as possible, You have to be Judge on which point would interest the reader more and get the whole story across in limited words, I think Jane did an excellent job on her summary :o)
  by: vampira     09/06/2008 01:59 AM     
I'm not going to argue this point anymore with you.
"Teenage 'predators' jailed for life over 17-year-old's river death"
That's the headline in the source. You can't rate Jane's title as misleading when the source uses the same title. Get over yourself. I will remove your assessment any time I see fit. If you continue this charade I will consider other action.
  by: Lurker     09/06/2008 09:00 PM     
  What really annoys...  
me is how people completely close the subject, an impotant subject, for something so petty. Surely there are more importane things to talk about here.
  by: captainJane     09/06/2008 11:42 PM     
have imissed something here??? lolcats is saying the title is inaccurate?? What planet do you come from pal? The title says and does exactly what it says on the tin! Did you put your glasses on to read the source? They got life, which part do you not understand, the part you find inaccurate.
Well said Lurker.

It's sad that life over here doesn't mean life.
  by: philigs     09/06/2008 11:49 PM     
It is sad when people continually nit pick on a summary and try and find fault when there is none, They are not concerned that these people took the life of an innocent person and tortured him to Death !! Never mind all that ! Just ignore the nature of the story & latch on to the fact they were given life in the title, but not in the summary... ??
  by: vampira     09/07/2008 12:34 AM     
wow i was away for ages....
and nothing has changed ;p

good story capn
dont let em get ya down i know exactly how it feels to get a bad rating because something in the story upset a reader even though you have nothing to do with that!!!
  by: JulesLady     09/07/2008 09:27 PM     
  Nice to see you!  
"wow I was away for ages....
and nothing has changed ;p"

No it hasn't, we are still here bickering.

Welcome back! :)
  by: captainJane     09/08/2008 01:48 AM     
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