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09/16/2008 11:42 AM ID: 73415 Permalink   

Palin VS The Pastor

 

Rev. Howard Bess was the author of the book "Pastor, I Am Gay" and says Sarah Palin tried to have his book removed from the library in 1995. "She scares me" stated Pastor Bess "She's Jerry Falwell with a pretty face."

He states his book was on the "hit list" and "I'm as certain of that as I am that I'm sitting here. This is a small town, we all know each other. People in city government have confirmed to me what Sarah was trying to do."

Bess says Palin was at the heart of a drive to take over the local hospital's community board to abolish abortion in the valley. After they succeeded Bess and the local OB-GYN had to fight in the highest state court to give women their choice back.

 
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  Please!  
 
Read the source. This woman is scary!
 
  by: gws1968     09/16/2008 12:04 PM     
  .  
 
i hope to hell americans vote against this lady...

the is no way mc cain will control his VP - she will have him by the balls on every decision.
 
  by: george2101436   09/16/2008 12:37 PM     
  What is truth?  
 
Sarah Palin may be a scary person, but let truth decide instead of conjecture
(cut and pasted from source http://www.politifact.com/...
Howard Bess, author of Pastor, I am Gay and former pastor of Church of the Covenant in nearby Palmer, recalls that his book challenging Christians to re-examine their ideas about and prejudices against gays and lesbians was not well received in Wasilla when it was published in 1995 — the year before Palin was elected mayor.

Virtually every book store in Wasilla refused to sell it.

Bess said he gave two copies to the Wasilla Library, but they quickly disappeared. So he donated more copies.

The controversy over the book was part of the context of that time period, he said. “Knowing Sarah’s religious connections and the people involved, I would be surprised if my book was not one of those at issue,” Bess said. “But I don’t know that for a fact.”
 
  by: crosimoto     09/16/2008 01:11 PM     
  crosimoto  
 
Politifact.com is the only place I can find that particular phrase -(“Knowing Sarah’s religious connections and the people involved, I would be surprised if my book was not one of those at issue,” Bess said. “But I don’t know that for a fact.”)

Everywhere else including:
http://abcnews.go.com/...
Palin's church at the time, the Assembly of God, had been pushing for the removal a book called "Pastor I Am Gay" from local bookstores, according to the book's author Pastor Howard Bess, of the Church of the Covenant in nearby Palmer, Alaska. "And she was one of them," said Bess, "this whole thing of controlling information, censorship, that's part of the scene," said Bess.


http://news.yahoo.com/...
"Sarah brought pressure on the library about things she didn't like," Bess said. "To believe that my book was not targeted in this is a joke."

Either way she scares the hell out of me, and I hear that all over the place from some respectable people and some maybe not so respectable. I had that same kind of feeling almost 8 years ago and it served me well. This time It's even stronger. I trust my instincts.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I just don't want to have to say "I told you so" which I won't. Not to mention it will probably be too late and there won't be anybody left to say it to.


 
  by: gws1968     09/16/2008 02:18 PM     
  Republican Party = Contradiction  
 
People in this party in general want small government. Yet
simultaneously they want that same government to watch what you do in
bedroom and also to butt into what you do with your body, etc.

They are the party of contradictions. Not that I can say democrats
are any better. Hell they are the party of status quo. I have to
hand it to the republican party. At least they have an agenda.
Democrats cant figure out what the hell they want...

That is why I ask, what the hell America??? Did you get to much
fluoride in your water supply??? Why are you voting for people that
insist on screwing each and every one of you. McBama isnt going so
solve anything. If anything they will destroy this country even
further.

This election season I am voting for a 3rd party since I will use both
my brain and my conscience. I wish I could expect the rest of the
country to do so but it seems a majority of the US population is to
ignorant and way beyond educating even about basic issues to be able
to make logical decisions...
 
  by: slavefortheman     09/16/2008 02:42 PM     
  @slavefortheman  
 
I certainly hope you're not suggesting anybody that does not think the way you do or have the same values as you do or can see things different than you do "is to ignorant and way beyond educating even about basic issues to be able to make logical decisions..."

 
  by: gws1968     09/16/2008 03:05 PM     
  @gws1968  
 
I certainly am saying that these 2 parties are nothing more than lying
scum and people that keep them in power are not using their brains.

If you do not realize, there are more than 2 choices available to you.
To everyone. It is high time to start using your brain, using your
conscience and vote these pieces of filth out of office.

I admit there are good members within each party but those are few and
far between.

Unless you dont make use of that part of your body that resides between
your ears, you are wasting your vote. This is the norm in the country...

Voting for a republican and democrat simply because "thats who you like
to vote for" is a wasted vote. A vote using your brain is a vote that is
well spent.

So yes I am suggesting that people that do not use their brain before
voting are fools. I will completely agree to that.

I never at one point spouted my political ideology so you cannot accuse
me of calling a fool of those that I do not agree with ideologically.
What I am saying is that a vote for either of these parties is a vote
wasted in most cases simply because these two factions are the problem
with this country not the solution. Vote for your ideology! Vote with
your conscience. Vote with your brain.

Republicanism is not a party that helps people. Neither are Democrats so
why vote for them? Why vote for someone that will do nothing more than
screw you each and every day? Unless you are a rich lobbyist I see
nothing you have in common with these people so why vote for them?
 
  by: slavefortheman     09/16/2008 03:17 PM     
  @slave  
 
AMEN, brother. We have been on a downward spiral of misinformation for decades. Both of these parties are only interested in themselves. Only a handful of genuine politicians are keeping them from entirely owning our lives, i.e. Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich. Of course these men are disregarded as radicals or outsiders because of their stick-to-the-constitution morality.

Anyways, this nation is retarded. TV has dumbed down this nation so damn much. We listen to ignorance and distortion on television everyday and take it for fact, without digging deeper or seeing where the stories are coming from.
Science fiction movies have done a pretty good job of predicting the future. I think Idiocracy would be the most accurate one.
 
  by: Mr. Wright     09/16/2008 04:11 PM     
  Dont blame TV.  
 
Blame your deficient education. TV can be very informative. Blame yourself and your "OH NO THOSE ARE MY TAX DOLLAR THEY USE FOR THE *PUBLIC* SYSTEM! THIEF THIEF THIEF!". What do you expect in the end? The best healthcare, the best education? It's barely better than third world countries unless you are rich and using the private system.
 
  by: Rv3   09/16/2008 04:32 PM     
  @Mr. Wright  
 
Its amazing how much of the book 1984 is coming true or is being used by
our political leaders.

Dumbing down the entire country has been going strong for years but I think
it really took off in the 1980s. That is when fluoridation levels were
increased nation wide. That is also when 24 hour news took off. Also it
was the rise of the MTV generation and a big boom in cable TV. Extensive
TV viewing has been scientifically proved to reduce critical and logical
thinking. Fluoride has also been proven to reduce brain functions. Its a
poison and every time you ingest water, you are getting some... The rate
of autism in children used to be 1 in 1000 back in the 80s. Now its close
to 1 in 170... We put massive doses of mercury into infant vaccines. The
amount of mercury per body weight is as such that it would take a 275lb
person to be considered a safe amount in these tiny infant vaccines!

I think the government and corporations have been using many ways of
attacking our minds for years. They dont want critical thinking people.
If they had that, there would be hardly any republicans or democrats in
office at all right now.

The world would be a different and Im betting, better place.
 
  by: slavefortheman     09/16/2008 04:43 PM     
  @all  
 
Anyone else get the feeling that slavefortheman is one post away from being that guy who thinks the FBI is listening to him through his toaster?
 
  by: misscinna   09/16/2008 05:57 PM     
  @misscinna  
 
It is scientifically proven that fluoride destroys the brain. It is also scientifically proven that mercury does as well. If fluoride is so bad for you, why does the government put it in the water supply.

Now as far as mercury in vaccines. That one is probably chocked up to pharmacorps just raking in big money. Mercury is a preservative and as such, removing it would cost a huge amount of money. That is probably why Bush vetoed a bill containing legislation that would have outlawed these drugs... So instead of possibly saving the minds of thousands of children he chose money instead.

Im not a conspiracy theorist. I just read a huge amount of information on a day to day basis. I see the crap that goes on in our 2 party tyranny. I see the lies that people eat up daily. I listen past the regular crap that comes out of most politicians mouths and I see that we are screwed if we dont start making some drastic changes ASAP. We are in danger of losing everything if we simply let these bureaucratic managers take control of everything we hold dear.

Nothing to do with conspiracies. Do your own research and you will see the truth as well. I can give you facts about all sorts of little things that would just boggle your mind. Yet most people simply go through life without a care in the world. Nobody seems to notice and nobody seems to care has been the attitude of an entire generation. As a result we have been slowly losing everything that make America the country it used to be.

Sorry to rant, thats just how I feel and I see it happening right now.
 
  by: slavefortheman     09/16/2008 06:15 PM     
  Definition of Irony:  
 
http://shortnews.com/...

Was talking about the dangers of fluoridated water and this study comes out on the same day! LOL!
 
  by: slavefortheman     09/16/2008 07:01 PM     
  @slavefortheman  
 
I agree with what you have said.
But you state you are not a conspiracy theorist.
Yet you have proof to back your argument, stating the government has implemented the use of fluoride etc and at what levels.
And the government know the effects of such substances.
Then it would be safe to say it's a conspiracy by the government.
If it has nothing to do with conspiracy then why does the government use such products?
 
  by: thinking   09/16/2008 07:42 PM     
  @misscinna  
 
"Anyone else get the feeling that slavefortheman is one post away from being that guy who thinks the FBI is listening to him through his toaster?"

He's not that crazy. He just thinks that anyone who doesn't vote for Ron Paul is an idiot. He's really no different than anyone else as far as being enlightened goes. The guy he likes just happens to have been pushed out of the republican party so now he's a proponent of 3rd parties. If Ron Paul were the republican nominee, slave would still vote for him. It's not that he wants a 3rd party, he just wants Ron. There's something to be said about voting for who you believe in no matter what their party. But he doesn't seem to grasp that we may actually believe in our candidates more than just their party affiliations.
 
  by: amir8500   09/16/2008 07:55 PM     
  More Fitting To The Times  
 
Would be a book titled

Pastor Are You Gay?
 
  by: ichi     09/16/2008 08:09 PM     
  @thinking  
 
It may simply be incompetence on the behalf of the government. Either way though, we should not be adding chemicals to the drinking water unless we know for certain what sort of health risks there are. In this case it has been known for years yet nobody has done anything to stop it from happening. Read the article about the study that just came out today. It clearly says that fluoride levels that currently exist in todays US water supplies are toxic.

If it is bad for US health. Why keep doing it? why not simply scale back the level of fluoride? These are good questions that have to be asked that are being ignored by the government.

@amir8500 - Funny how I never once mentioned my political ideology yet you immediately assume I am pissed about Paul. I am simply stating the obvious. If you dont want to believe what is happening right in front of your face, that is fine. The fact of the matter is, this country is going right down the toilet and every time you vote for a republican or a democrat you are basically flushing us further down the pipe. So if you want corporate socialism then keep voting for these 2 parties. Else do something to change it! Help spread the word. Encourage write in votes. Do whatever it takes. If we dont try to save liberty in this country it could be gone forever!!!
 
  by: slavefortheman     09/16/2008 08:10 PM     
  All right,  
 
you'll have brain damage. But you'll have healthy teeth. I ask you, which is more important.
 
  by: elzorro   09/16/2008 09:05 PM     
  @slavefortheman  
 
Actually it appears I owe you an apology. I must have been confusing you with one of the other "vote for 3rd parties" preachers. You, unlike the others, haven't shown a strong support for Ron Paul. Although I highly suspect that is the case, it's not a base for an accusation. However, the rest of my comment holds true. If there's no third party that matches my beliefs as well as one of the mainstream candidates, why is it wrong to vote for that candidate? All too often you hear "vote for a third party" but usually those same people will be pissed if that third party isn't their candidate.

"We have to get Stan to vote. Because he'll definitely vote for our guy." - Kyle (Southpark) The quote is not exact, too lazy to look it up.
 
  by: amir8500   09/16/2008 09:45 PM     
  Well.....  
 
At least she's good looking.... When was the last time we had a good looking vp? Nixon? hah j/k. anywho, vote Ron Paul 2008 Viva La Revolution!!!!
 
  by: smarta$$     09/17/2008 12:01 AM     
  @gws  
 
So, essentially, Bess has no evidence, nothing beyond his own theory that Palin wanted his book banned and attempted to have that happen? He conjectures a hit list (the one that's been floating around is fake) but has never seen it, yet still assumes that he must be on it.

Bess further suggests, without any evidence, that Palin attempted to abolish abortion in the valley - while that is much more likely, it is equally unsubstantiated. Palin's political record includes several times when she supported a bill introduced by other members regarding abortion, but has never introduced or sponsored a bill of her own on that topic.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   09/17/2008 12:59 AM     
  @SoshiMaster  
 
I didn't write the article I just put a summary here so other people would know about the story and can form their own opinion.

From what I read in the article Bess didn't say anything about any list. He did say other people told him that is what she was trying to do. As far as the abortion part:

In 1996, evangelical churches mounted a vigorous campaign to take over the local hospital's community board and ban abortion from the valley. When they succeeded, Bess and Dr. Susan Lemagie, a Palmer OB-GYN, fought back, filing suit on behalf of a local woman who had been forced to travel to Seattle for an abortion. The case was finally decided by the Alaska Supreme Court, which ruled that the hospital must provide valley women with the abortion option.

At one point during the hospital battle, passions ran so hot that local antiabortion activists organized a boisterous picket line outside Dr. Lemagie's office, in an unassuming professional building across from Palmer's Little League field. According to Bess and another community activist, among the protesters trying to disrupt the physician's practice that day was Sarah Palin.

Sounds an awful lot like a "community organizer". I have no reason at this point to think this man is lying. I would expect the proof would be in the alaska supreme court files. Just a little above my head but to be sure if someone wants to prove it wrong they can.
 
  by: gws1968     09/17/2008 01:22 AM     
  Let's be fair here  
 
The point of this article is not just to show that Palin sought to control what people can and cannot read about. It's also to make it look like the McCain/Palin campaign is prejudiced against gay people.

That's false -- the McCain campaign has reached out to the gay Republican organization called the Log Cabin Republicans:

Steve Schmidt Speaks to Log Cabin Delegates in Minneapolis
September 4, 2008
(Minneapolis, MN)—The McCain Campaign's Senior Adviser, Steve Schmidt, told Log Cabin members and allies, "I want to pay my respects to your organization on behalf of the campaign. Your organization is an important one in the fabric of our Party."

Schmidt has served as day-to-day campaign manager since early July. He spoke at a lunch in Minneapolis on Thursday hosted by Log Cabin Republicans—honoring the GOP's openly gay convention delegates. "I admire your organization," said Schmidt. He encouraged Log Cabin to keep making progress, "Keep fighting for what you believe because the day is going to come."

He also said, "We are the party of freedom. We will keep fighting as a party to reach it in full."

"The Campaign's efforts to reach out to Log Cabin members are reflective of Sen. McCain's inclusive record and indicative of the type of campaign he is running," said Log Cabin President Patrick Sammon. "Log Cabin is proud to support Senator McCain in this important election."

http://online.logcabin.org/...
 
  by: l´anglais     09/17/2008 02:51 AM     
  @slavefortheman  
 
That is because half of the "Republicans" aren't republican at all but use that party to advance their agendas.

They don't want "democracy," they obviously want a republic.
 
  by: H. W. Hutchins   09/17/2008 04:12 AM     
  @gws  
 
Not accusing you of anything underhanded - I realise you're just reporting the article.

All I'm saying is that it's pretty much a bunch of baseless and merit-deprived slander designed to promote a book that has done poorly by trading in on the current democrat hysteria over Palin.

It's a pretty common tactic.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   09/17/2008 05:00 AM     
  @amir8500  
 
Actually I will probably vote for Cynthia McKinney this year. I am pretty far to the left politically. I merely support Ron Paul for the simple fact that he is truthful and wants to return the US to its constitutional roots.

Im actually not a big fan of certain things Paul wants but I am a huge fan of the US constitution and I will stand with anyone that wants to defend it! I think it is one of the greatest documents ever written and if allow for repubs and dems to get their way, we might as well throw it in the trash...

The biggest problem I see with this country though is our 2 party system.
 
  by: slavefortheman     09/17/2008 03:48 PM     
 
 
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