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09/18/2008 01:43 PM ID: 73457 Permalink   

Satanic Gang Arrested After Roasting and Eating Four Teenagers (Content Warning)

 

Russia: Polce have arrested eight members of a Satanic gang over the murders of Andrei Sorokin, Anya Gorokhova, Olga Pukhova, and Varya Kuzmina in an area approximately 300 miles NW of Moscow. It is thought that the victims knew their murderers.

The four teens were plied with alcohol before they were stabbed 666 times and had their hearts, genitalia, breasts and limbs removed. The gang roasted and ate some of the meat as part of a ritual and buried the remains under an inverted cross.

The murders happened in the middle of last year but the remains only came to light last month. Police were able to connect the murdered teens to their attackers using phone records.

 
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  74 Comments
  
  Holy shit.  
 
That was a weird way to start my morning reading that
 
  by: dieu_7     09/18/2008 02:21 PM     
  They grow some weird Satanists there  
 
I know quite a few here and most are just aggressive atheists with cooler wardrobes. Apparently we need to send some of LaVey's writings to Russia so they learn to do it right.

~Syl
 
  by: morgora     09/18/2008 02:25 PM     
  @morgora  
 
Damn right. That's not satanist, thats just plain insane.
 
  by: Rv3   09/18/2008 02:59 PM     
  Satanism is just another form of Christianity  
 
You can’t be a Satanist unless you are a believer in Christianity as Satan is a Christian entity and concept.

This event pales in comparison to what US Christians have done in the Middle East. With the revival of the Crusades, over a million dead and growing daily, what are 5 victims? Where are the headlines for the million innocents murdered by Bush and Co., where is the outrage? At least these Satanists recycled their victims.

I’ve known quite a few Satanists too, and I have yet to meet one with an IQ over 90. They all seem to be scared little kids that use “Satanism” as a crutch to try to intimidate and frighten others. Punks, losers and wannabes the lot. When I ask about their philosophy all I get is threats and posturing, they don’t even know what they believe in…other than anger generated by fear. I just laugh and go on my merry way.
 
  by: valkyrie123     09/18/2008 04:36 PM     
  @Val  
 
A lot of the CoS ones do come from xtian backgrounds. There are others out there that do have IQs, don't toss threats and are actually quite nice. My friend Wynter comes to mind right away. He's from Temple of the Satanic Dawn and they don't take well to stupid people. They don't accept them in their ranks anyway.

So while some are stupid, maybe you just haven't taken the time to get to know enough. I use to think all Catholics wanted to torture and kill me until I converted, then I met enough of them that while I vehemently disagree with them about a lot of things, a lot of them are actually very nice and some are even intelligent.

All faith, even a faith in a lack of faith, is a crutch. It's just what you choose to call it, really.

~Syl
^^^still thinks her Gods are better :D
 
  by: morgora     09/18/2008 04:59 PM     
  Please tell me this was a joke.  
 
"Satanism is just another form of Christianity
You can’t be a Satanist unless you are a believer in Christianity as Satan is a Christian entity and concept."

Muslims believe in the advesary (satan), and so do followers of Judaism. You can't even begin to compare us to satanists. You have a distorted view of what a Christian is evidently.

On a separate note, all I can do is pray for these people.
 
  by: C.O.G.   09/18/2008 05:01 PM     
  Ts.  
 
There are two type of satanists.

Self proclaimed : Usualy they just want to go counter current.

Official statanist church : Good luck to join if you have a low IQ, youll be rejected, they are very picky.

On a side note, Satanist do not worship Satan, this is a misconception. If you worship Satan you are not a member of an official satanic church.

C.O.G. : Satanic Bible / Church is indeed an offspring of christianity, deal with it, live with it.

Note : You have the Church of Seth as well, which is an offspring of the Church of Satan with more rigurous rules of acceptance.

I know for exemple, in the whole of Québec there is ONE official member of the Church of Satan, and ONE official membre of the Church of Seth. Anyone else claiming to be a member of any of the two organization here would be a biggot.
 
  by: Rv3   09/18/2008 05:14 PM     
  Rv3  
 
"C.O.G. : Satanic Bible / Church is indeed an offspring of christianity, deal with it, live with it."

Why do I have to live with it? Satan has already been defeated when Jesus went to the cross... he's just trying to take as many people as possible to hell with him when he goes.
 
  by: C.O.G.   09/18/2008 05:19 PM     
  more interesting than the story is  
 
More interesting than the story is the disclaimer on the source ..

Redistribution, republication. syndication, rewriting or broadcast is prohibited without the prior written consent of AHN.


rewriting ??? Is that even legal to sy you can't rewrite this ... I mean they don't own the story
 
  by: Hugo Chavez     09/18/2008 05:24 PM     
  @Hugo  
 
No they can, by rewrite they mean, you cant change words here and there and publish the story as yours. It doesnt against this disclaimer with what has been done on SN.

@C.O.G. : Again, you are making a mistake, Satan as nothing to do with the Satanic Church except fot the marketting part of it. They do not worship Satan.

Do you actually know what "Satan" is? Do you actually know what the church references to when they talk about "Satan"? I'm sure you dont.
 
  by: Rv3   09/18/2008 05:30 PM     
  @hugo  
 
We're not rewriting. We're summarising for those who don't have time to read the full article. I'm pretty sure they get a lot of their material from elsewhere so it's an interesting point.
 
  by: ixuzus     09/18/2008 05:31 PM     
  Rv3  
 
I know for dang sure who satan is... he is my enemy who is already defeated. He's got you (and "satanists") blinded about his nature if you feel that he is any thing other than who God says he is. I understand that people follow this "religion" based on an idea or a principle of satan symbolism, but clearly their deceived too.
 
  by: C.O.G.   09/18/2008 05:36 PM     
  Satan is just god's D.A.  
 
Haven't you read the Book of Job?
 
  by: 1monkey   09/18/2008 05:43 PM     
  @C.O.G.  
 
Satan is a [parabole] of human (free will)/(individualism). It's not even about the seven sins themselves. But rather about a person desire to act for its own benefit and own gain. Which often brings the sins in question.

Satan is the ennemy of the flock. That ennemy is free will and individuality. Because it goes against the notion of the flock.

I do not agree with any of the discussed church, there is one that agree less than the other, but that is because I do not agree with the concept of the flock.

Catholic Church : Believes in God.
Church of Satan : Believes in one self.

Simple!
 
  by: Rv3   09/18/2008 05:46 PM     
  Well  
 
That's one way to take care of the delinquents
 
  by: Big Bird     09/18/2008 06:09 PM     
  @Big Bird  
 
What? Feed 'em to wanna-be Satanists?

I kinda like that idea in a sick way.

~Syl
 
  by: morgora     09/18/2008 06:19 PM     
  Haha!  
 
nt
 
  by: Rv3   09/18/2008 06:36 PM     
  Rv3  
 
Yeah, I know that much...
Isn't that pretty much the concept of LaVeyan Satanism?

But satan is very real, and he is an evil entity. the whole very nature of this form of satanism is just as bad as worhipping satan as a deity in itself. Satan is a liar and apparently he's still on the job.

side note, there's no such thing as the "seven sins" or the "seven deadly sins", they all are deadly.
 
  by: C.O.G.   09/18/2008 07:15 PM     
  Child of Godfrey  
 
Pray for your intellignece. SATAN ISNT REAL. Neither is this Godfrey fella you keep referring to
 
  by: dieu_7     09/18/2008 07:31 PM     
  Aiight man,  
 
If you say so...
 
  by: C.O.G.   09/18/2008 07:34 PM     
  @morgora  
 
“All faith, even a faith in a lack of faith, is a crutch. It's just what you choose to call it, really.”

No, not “what to choose to call it, really”, it’s what you choose do with your crutch, really. If you choose to kill a million+ innocents in the name of your religion it tells me that this ‘religion’ is a threat to the survival of the human race.

It is an incorrect generalization to say, “All Satanists are stupid”, and I never said any such thing. Levey and Crowley were both very intelligent. I said have yet to meet one Satanist that was intelligent. I have looked; I have been very active in the Wiccan community for over 50 years hoping to meet one that could explain his/her philosophy. Yet, sill not one intelligent Satanist has crossed my path. I would enjoy the encounter as I feel it would be very informative. I’m always up for a learning experience. I guess the smart ones either keep their mouths shut and lay low or don’t actually exist. I have met many that were total idiots. I guess this pushes the average IQ to a very low number.

I do know where to find a million corpses that wish they hadn’t been tortured or killed by America’s right wing Christian killing machine. The Catholics are just as guilty of genocide as any other Christian organization that supported the election of Bush and Co….not to mention 2000 years of religious wars and inquisitions in the name of Christianity. Sooner or later you just have to call a spade a spade. Time to take responsibility for the deaths of millions. Thou shalt not kill.

Blessed Be hon.
 
  by: valkyrie123     09/18/2008 07:55 PM     
  @ Valk  
 
Everybody who says that they are a Christian aren't or may "be" in name only.
At the same time, we're not perfect. We mess up, but you can't generalize a whole group by the few that have done wrong in your eyes. Stereotyping is wrong.
Yes, we are a people of peace, but we're supposed to be ready to bang when it comes down to it... after all, we're soldiers in a Spiritual warfare. I don't agree with everything a Christian does, and I'm sure you don't agree with everything an atheist does... I'm sure you've met some atheists who you would consider "total idiots". Does that mean that all atheists are bad people? No.
God still loves you though.
 
  by: C.O.G.   09/18/2008 08:03 PM     
  @valkyrie123  
 
I can probably dig out some people that you could talk with who are the real thing, not the self proclaim ones.

There is heavy testing to join in the real churchs, and they do not recruit even "normals" when it comes to intelligence.

@C.O.G. obviously your a fanatic, but at least not a toxic one, as of yet. Do not worry, fanatic is not meant in that of a bad way, I myself am somewhat fanatic about my concepts. Which are not compatible with yours, or for that matter the Satanic Church etheir.
 
  by: Rv3   09/18/2008 08:05 PM     
  I'm sorry  
 
I should clarify this...
"I don't agree with everything a Christian does"
I meant, if we do wrong, we're supposed to fess up, own up, turn around and keep it moving. We sin too, we're just forgiven and try to do our best not to sin again.
 
  by: C.O.G.   09/18/2008 08:06 PM     
  Rv3  
 
I am very much a fanatic of Christ. I put Him about everything.
I can respect how you feel. How you choose to live your life is your business and I can't force and won't force you to try to live mine or bow to my God.
 
  by: C.O.G.   09/18/2008 08:09 PM     
  COG  
 
this is exactly what athiests take offence to "God still loves you though.".

Believe what you want, but stop the preaching and the condescending comments.
 
  by: dieu_7     09/18/2008 08:19 PM     
  @dieu_7  
 
Come on dieu_7 (With a name like that ..!), we love hime too! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Bück dich Gott! (Aproximately written)
 
  by: Rv3   09/18/2008 08:23 PM     
  So,  
 
"Believe what you want, but stop the preaching and the condescending comments."

It's okay for atheists to talk bad about God and His people, but it's not okay for a Christian to defend his God and his people? Sounds a little one-sided and unfair to me...
 
  by: C.O.G.   09/18/2008 08:27 PM     
  My name is after my religion  
 
Football

Eric Cantona = God

7= his sacred number
 
  by: dieu_7     09/18/2008 08:34 PM     
  COG  
 
I just do to you what you do in every post, you stop referencing god in so many of your comments and keep it to the stories and facts at hand and ill stop making references of the opposite kind at you
 
  by: dieu_7     09/18/2008 08:35 PM     
  D7  
 
"...you stop referencing god in so many of your comments..."

Should I just stand around and let people talk bad about us? Am I supposed to just allow people to spread lies about us? A lot of people on this site are anti-American and anti-Christian. I don't know enough about politics to speak on that, but I know who my God is and what He's done for me. I will defend my faith with every ounce of my being.

 
  by: C.O.G.   09/18/2008 08:42 PM     
  @ C.O.G.  
 
There are plenty of religions out there who are respectful of peoples beliefs and boundries. I agree with dieu7. Its really condescending to push the "Its ok god still loves you" comment. Ok if god still loves him then he does, no need to smugly announce it. You know what you know. Buddhists, wiccans, satanists and many others arent up in your face trying to make you believe what they believe. Religion in the bible was taught with a freedom of choice. The basis of humanity is that we all are senient beings with free will. Why impose yours on mine? That is what atheists are mad about. They bad talk christians because for centuries christians have been trying to cram "His Will" on ours. Its one thing to spread the word and hope others see it and follow it and an entirely different thing to look down on anyone who does not share the same viewpoint and beliefs. So no its not the same thing. Next time you have an athiest knocking on your door to give you irritating fliers made from Jesus's trees and trying to talk to you about how you're going to hell before dinner - lemme know. Until then believe what you believe and be good with it.
 
  by: misscinna   09/18/2008 08:46 PM     
  You're right,  
 
Aiight, I can respect that. But if I see someone trash talking us, I'll step up in a heartbeat. However,

"Its one thing to spread the word and hope others see it and follow it and an entirely different thing to look down on anyone who does not share the same viewpoint and beliefs"

I don't look down on anybody. I'm just as guilty of messing up as the next person. Sorry if it comes off that way.

 
  by: C.O.G.   09/18/2008 09:04 PM     
  COG  
 
I think you mistake Anti-American for people critical of the actions and attitude of the US worthy of harsh criticism.
 
  by: dieu_7     09/18/2008 09:16 PM     
  Could be,  
 
"I think you mistake Anti-American for people critical of the actions and attitude of the US worthy of harsh criticism."
You could be absolutely right, but I'm politically ignorant, so I don't voice my opinion on those issues. It just seems that people are quick to jump on anything that makes either group look bad. Afterall, this was about satanists, then it hopped on Christianity.
 
  by: C.O.G.   09/18/2008 09:27 PM     
  Im not taking a position on the issue  
 
but there is, at least, some logic to the argument that Satanic worship is linked to Christianity. I don't claim to be very knowledgeable on the issue but I was brought up Catholic, and I know many protestant offshoot-religions or bible based religions to be very fire and Brimstone, so the idea that people worshipping the opposite, Satan in this case, seems to be to be plausibly linked to christianity.
 
  by: dieu_7     09/18/2008 09:32 PM     
  Actually  
 
I'd have to respectfully disagree with this statement, but I can see where you're going with it.
"but there is, at least, some logic to the argument that Satanic worship is linked to Christianity."

If you look at satanism (such as laVeyan satanism), it is not identifying with a deity, but embracing one's humanity to get ahead (greed=motivation as an example)... They also believe that a person is their own god (much like satan tried to convince Eve she would be like if she ate of the apple). In a nutshell, they are taught to embrace the desires of the flesh.

In some areas of satanism where they actually worhip satan as a deity, they are taught similar things (basically, to go against the Bible)... and that's exactly what satan would have them do.

In Christianity, (not trying to beat a dead horse here, just trying to show the difference) we are taught to deny the flesh and strenghthen the Spirit to walk closer to God (as you already know).

Basically, satanism is rebellion towards God and all He teaches, Christianity is following God. Completely the opposite.
 
  by: C.O.G.   09/18/2008 09:42 PM     
  To be fair  
 
I'm anti-us ;D

Down with the Evil Empire! (Note, the Empire, not all of the people, just a few irritation jerks).

Most US christian try to shove the bible up your throat and thats very irritating for the rest of the worls, I truly dont know how you guys put up with it.
 
  by: Rv3   09/18/2008 09:42 PM     
  ...  
 
"Down with the Evil Empire! (Note, the Empire, not all of the people, just a few irritation jerks)."

Lol, that's just funny.

"Most US christian try to shove the bible up your throat and thats very irritating for the rest of the worls, I truly dont know how you guys put up with it."
Yeah, I can see how that would be irritating, and I'm sorry for being guilty of that. It's just that I (like most others) feel strongly in what we believe in and tend to go overboard with it. When it seems my people are being attacked, or wrong information is fed (basically leading people into darkness), we have an obligation to stand up. That's what I do. It's the same with people who are against the concept of God. When their views are trampled on, they rise up as well.
 
  by: C.O.G.   09/18/2008 09:47 PM     
  @C.O.G.  
 
Your being pretty passive trust me. You havent seen what "bible shoving" is yet, most of those went away thanks to attrition.
 
  by: Rv3   09/18/2008 10:00 PM     
  Thanks homie...  
 
"Your being pretty passive trust me. You havent seen what "bible shoving" is yet, most of those went away thanks to attrition."

Some people here make it seem like I'm like that religious lady on "The Mist" (she needed to get offed, she was psycho and DEAD WRONG). I'm just trying to do my mission man.
 
  by: C.O.G.   09/18/2008 10:05 PM     
  @C.O.G.  
 
You ARE a religious freak. But many of us her are non-religious freaks as well when the *ugly* nose of religion shows itself. Especially that your predecessors were not that much of nice people.

Let
Alone
U
R
Interesting
Enough.
So
Much
A
Nicer person.

Rho, I'm so mean =)
 
  by: Rv3   09/18/2008 10:23 PM     
  Havoc where are you?  
 
I'm waiting for you to come correct Valkyries BS regarding all Satanists being inverse Christians.

You're a satanist, now's your chance to be heard!
 
  by: SoshiMaster   09/19/2008 02:11 AM     
  @Rv3  
 
Wonder what they will carve on your tombstone?
 
  by: SoshiMaster   09/19/2008 03:27 AM     
  I can see how Satanism and Christianity are linked  
 
since Christians believe in Satan as much as they believe in God. They believe that Satan is the opposite of God, that God is good and Satan is evil.

For someone to believe in Satan as being good and to reject God, they must at least believe in both God and Satan. That in itself is a Christian belief, they just choose to follow what is commonly believed to be the dark side rather than what Christians believe to be the good side. They still believe in God, they just choose to go against him rather than worship him.

As has been said already though, I think this is more the belief of the self-proclaimed satanists rather than the official Church of Satan members.
 
  by: TabbyCool     09/19/2008 11:17 AM     
  @Tabby  
 
The servant is not greater than the master, whatever he thinks.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   09/19/2008 11:35 AM     
  @Soshi  
 
I never said he was. I don't believe in God, therefore I can't believe in Satan either. However, the people who worship Satan not only believe in Satan, they must also believe in God, hence the link with Christianity.

I'm an atheist, I don't believe in any God.
 
  by: TabbyCool     09/19/2008 12:16 PM     
  @Tabby  
 
Fain would I argue with a lady as you. Though opposite usually implies equal but contrary, yet it is not always so.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   09/19/2008 12:27 PM     
  @TabbyCool  
 
I think I was rather clear about the part that members of the Satanic Church do not believe in Satan nor God.

Probably something like that :
http://www.gravesights.org/...

(Ps.: That's in my hometown!)

I will not have a tombstone if that's what you are wondering. Cremation all the way baby!
 
  by: Rv3   09/19/2008 02:48 PM     
  @Tabby  
 
I am wondering what category would bad human beings fall into. Godly or Satanic?

Does 'bad' even exist, or is it simply the way to tell one apart from the other, depending on, who is telling?
As an Atheist, are you good or bad?
 
  by: isuzu     09/19/2008 03:14 PM     
  Don't it always seem to go  
 
Who'll be my role model, now that my role model's gone?

Rv3? No, it won't be he.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   09/19/2008 04:01 PM     
  Tom Waits  
 
"Don't you know there ain't no devil, it's just god when he's drunk..."

-Tom Waits
 
  by: theironboard     09/19/2008 04:12 PM     
  @soshimaster  
 
"Havoc where are you?
I'm waiting for you to come correct Valkyries BS regarding all Satanists being inverse Christians.

You're a satanist, now's your chance to be heard!"

indeed i am... did the name give me away?...lol

this could in no way be the work of satanist; as in modern satanist of which i am... these folks were clearly christan-satanist, inverse christians, traditional satanists, devil worshippers, whatever you want to call them... to me they are just another breed of the christian religion (in the same way that bush jr/sr are christians and in the same way the the bilderburg group and the likes of them are christians), they clearly believe the bible these type do, like all christians, the differing point is the role of a dieties in traditional satanism, "satan" is the figure of worship, whereas "god" the contemptable diety, never wanting man to be free, but rather a slave, inso they belive "god" to be worthy of worship as they beleieve mans real power to be derived from satan... this is in stark contrast to modern satanists who almost uniformily believe believe themselves to be the highest power outside of nature; the world, the universe in this sense. modern satanists are almost always refered to as athiest; and we are, as even the few that do believe in "god/gods" dont believe in the classical "god" but rather in people of much higher power then yourself hence the phrases "choose your master wisely" and "the god you save may be yourself", an example would be the way hitler lived; as a "god" among the nazi's or the way the pope, the dalai lama or ayatollah live. sacrifices of people nor animals are not, nor have they ever been part of modern satanism, they have always been part of the darkside of christianity, more often than not traditional satanist arn't even worshipping satani through anything more than ignorance, typically they are worshipping other biblical dieties; Moloch is a popular one, the bilderburg group (these are the most elite of the elite, the richest of the rich... they are practising christians by day 364/365 days a year, but once a year they get together and worship the devil; a devil named moloch; directly from the bible, moloch was a old pre-christian (OT) diety what was keen on sacrifices and rewarded the people who gave him such.

you'll never heard about a laveyan satanist or probably any other kind of modern satanist commiting acts like this, its not part of the modern satanist (humanist) religion... the darkest part of modern satanism is in actually the rituals, which most don't engage in, as they are admittidly psychological theatrics, even magic as refered to in modern satanism is mostly psychological, typically not much mystism to it, for a few there is, but for the overwhelming majority its a self-empowering psychological practice. worship in modern satanism is almost always self-worship, occasionally its to an external third party; which again leads the phrases "the god you save may be yourself" and "choose your master wisely"

for the most part valkyrie is right... most satanists are simply inverse christians, as a modern satanist i've only met 2 other modern satanists, and a handful of devil-worshippers (traditional satanist/inverse satanist) that get lumped in with modern satanists, and valkyrie is again right, devil-worshipping-inverse-christian satanists tend to be very unintelligent, illogical, and irrational people, like most extremists of any religion. this type of satanism is just the darker side of christianity, and it extends through the religions very foundation well beyond "jesus", to the old testament, which is ultimately were inverse-christians/devil-worshippers come from.
 
  by: HAVOC666     09/19/2008 04:32 PM     
  Q.E.D  
 
Speak of the devil.

No naked dancing, now! The horrors!
 
  by: SoshiMaster   09/19/2008 04:40 PM     
  Intelligent ones...  
 
I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls.
- Albert Einstein

Beware the man of a single book.
- Bertrand Russell

Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense.
- Chapman Cohen

The Church says that the Earth is flat, but I know that it is round. For I have seen the shadow on the moon and I have more faith in the Shadow than in the Church.
- Ferdinand Magellan

Most people are bothered by those passages in Scripture which they cannot understand; but as for me, I always notice that the passages in Scripture which trouble me most are those which I do understand.
- Mark Twain

I can't say I believe in god. If, in fact, I ever find out that he does indeed exist, I think I'll stay away from him, because if he's responsible for half the things he gets credit for, he's got to be one mean son of a bitch.
- Peter Gethers

"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."
- Napoleon

I have examined all the known superstitions of the word, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.
- Thomas Jefferson

The beauty of religious mania is that it has the power to explain everything. Once God (or Satan) is accepted as the first cause of everything which happens in the mortal world, nothing is left to chance...logic can be happily tossed out the window.
- Stephen King
 
  by: fcPine   09/19/2008 04:41 PM     
  Scientification  
 
A house of cards built on a foundation of sand.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   09/19/2008 04:46 PM     
  Religionization  
 
A house of corpses built on a field of bones.
 
  by: Rv3   09/19/2008 05:21 PM     
  @Rv3  
 
"I think I was rather clear about the part that members of the Satanic Church do not believe in Satan nor God.
"

Didn't you read the end of my post? Here it is again...

"As has been said already though, I think this is more the belief of the self-proclaimed satanists rather than the official Church of Satan members."

I did not say that Church of Satan members worshipped Satan.
 
  by: TabbyCool     09/19/2008 05:57 PM     
  I have a question?  
 
Im not sure if anyone can answer this for me but Id love to hear any opinions on the matter. So as I read through the commentary to this post and recalled others posted, I seem to notice a trend. Many of the SN'ers happen to have a very similar thought process/viewpoint and take on religion. What is the common denemonator here? What is it about SN that attracts this particular mentality of person if at all? Secondly, (and this ties into the previous question) is it just a gathering of people on this site that have that mentality or is the "athiestic" style of thinking becoming more prevalent in this day in age? Are more people applying science and logic to religion as opposed to blind faith?

As a disclaimer; Im not trying to pinpoint or attack any one set of religious beliefs. I used the word athiestic in quotations and very loosely for lack of a better word to sum up a myriad of similar minded beliefs as an alternative to organized religions. I.e. Wiccans, satanists, athiests, agnostics, spiritualists and the like I assigned the word athiestic for an alternative belief system than organized religions such as Muslims,Christians, Hindus, Jews etc.

This is more a poll about anthropology than anything else.
Any ideas?
 
  by: misscinna   09/19/2008 08:38 PM     
  And the rain will make the flowers grow  
 
How you laughed when I cried
Each time I saw the tide
Take our love letters from the sand
 
  by: SoshiMaster   09/20/2008 12:04 AM     
  prove it  
 
""...you stop referencing god in so many of your comments..."

Should I just stand around and let people talk bad about us?"

Not at all. Just back up your claims.

Start by showing us where your God, who is all powerful and answers all prayers, and can even rise from the dead, has ever grown back the limbs of an amputee.
 
  by: biggfredd   09/20/2008 04:21 AM     
  @misscinna  
 
One part is that when people agree with each other they tend to stick together.

According to the Washington Post there are more atheist now than in older generations. A study states there are 5 million atheist. More education and more exposure to other cultures is a rather large factor as 6% of people 60 and over claim to have no faith. In comparison 25% of those 18-22 do not believe in God. (I'm assuming this is agnosticism and atheism but the article may just be referring to anything non christian.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
 
  by: Jaded Fox     09/20/2008 05:02 AM     
  What I've never understood  
 
is why they still call it satanism if the members do not believe in satan?
 
  by: redheadedwonder   09/20/2008 08:30 AM     
  @redheadwonder  
 
its a matter of symbolism, satan representing man's nature, the repressed side of human nature, as opposed to religious indoctination for how we ought to be and how we ought to act.

in the satanic bible its worded "satan represents" as opposed to satan is... for instance "satan represents vital existance, instead of spiritual pipedreams"... modern satanism is really more of a living philosophy than a religion. it utilizes symbolism rather than faith.
 
  by: HAVOC666     09/20/2008 09:12 AM     
  @Havoc  
 
Does Satanism have a moral code or something of the like (i.e. rules to live by) governing it at all? As you said it's like a living philosophy. Most religions or philosophies have rules to live by. Im just curious if you have something of the kind or how that works.
 
  by: misscinna   09/20/2008 04:53 PM     
  Agape  
 
Do what thou wilt, though it harm none.

888.
 
  by: SoshiMaster   09/21/2008 02:33 AM     
  @misscinna  
 
"Does Satanism have a moral code or something of the like (i.e. rules to live by) governing it at all? As you said it's like a living philosophy. Most religions or philosophies have rules to live by. Im just curious if you have something of the kind or how that works."

it sure does, most of its just common sense and decency... personally i'm not the strictest to the rules, i'm more strict to the sins... its coincidential entirely, i fell assbackwards into modern satanism, i was recommended the book back in highschool, bought it, read it, agreed with most of it; was just the most natural fit of the options i know aside from atheist which i am as well but thats not philosphy, corrosponding with my personal beliefs and morals.
 
  by: HAVOC666     09/22/2008 12:49 AM     
  God and Satan irony  
 
Satan was an angel of God which unfortunately fell out of favor. According to the Bible they still interact and tests people's faith.. as in JOB.

If atheists don't believe in GOD or any form of religion why bring up the subject of religion? Why keep preaching there's no GOD when they themselves don't believe in HIM? Atheists in and by themselves is a religion!
 
  by: aysos   09/24/2008 02:02 PM     
  @aysos  
 
"If atheists don't believe in GOD or any form of religion why bring up the subject of religion?"

Why wouldn't they discuss their own beliefs to the same extent as religious folk? What makes you think that atheist bring up religion more than others? please explain.
 
  by: storybored   09/24/2008 08:51 PM     
  Wow!  
 
This story really attracted a lot of comments. Lost of opinions out there for you. I am an American. I came to the conclusion about 4 years ago that you cannot be a good Christian and a good American at the same time.

Christ said give away all your money. Americans say give me more money.

Christ said turn the other cheek. Americans say that if you strike me, I'll strike you back with greater force.

Any American that says that he's a good American and a good Christian, is a hypocrite. I doubt very much that if you are a good Christian, you can really believe that God will bless America.

As for me, I've chosen to be a good American. Any killing in the name of religion is wrong, in my opinion. If someone is endangering your family or your welfare, then I say l slap them so hard they will think twice about it the next time.
 
  by: TheIdiotUpstairs   09/25/2008 05:20 PM     
  @aysos  
 
" God and Satan irony
Satan was an angel of God which unfortunately fell out of favor. According to the Bible they still interact and tests people's faith.. as in JOB."

and you know what "satan" was before that?... the pagan "god" pan... much like the rest of the bible even "satan" was a rip-off from an even older religion. recycled and repackaged, and most people buy it. most of the bible's core mythology can be traced back to egyptian mythology (including the story of jesus), and i'm sure the eygptian probably weren't the first major society of belief.

atheists have to keep pointing out that theres no proof of "god" because most people keep insisting there is despite no evidence to support their belief, thats what makes theistic/pantheist faith based religion, the fact that it cant be proven, or atleast has no evidence to be true short of a book and a feeling.
 
  by: HAVOC666     09/25/2008 05:55 PM     
  oh wow  
 
stabbed 666 times? That must have hurt!!! and the heart eaten? Wow, they must have pissed those people off big time.
 
  by: dragonia   09/26/2008 01:24 AM     
  stabbed 666 times?  
 
It must have taken some fancy forensics to count exactly 666 stab marks on four decayed and partially eaten bodies.

A more likely story is this number came from someone's vivid imagination and "proves" something about a Biblical reference which was probably also bullship.
 
  by: biggfredd   10/19/2008 07:12 AM     
  ^  
 
Amen
 
  by: Vhan     10/19/2008 07:31 AM     
 
 
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